Street Racing & Kill Stories - killed a cocky mustang guy

Theres this cocky mustang kid in my town.Mustang is in his blood all his brothers have owned them and so he followed.Theres never been many fast camaros here or at least not owned by anybody who'll drive them fast.He has a 03 GT mustang with some kind of loud a** exhaust.He kept racing his motor up at me so i pulled him over and asked him if he wanted to run them for a $1000 but he said no his exhaust bolt was loose but he would run me for fun :eyes: So i told him to look me up if he changed his mind and left.Like the next night I get behind him and he tries to pull away from me but i just pedal my car in 3rd on his bumper but never try to pass him.Oh by the way I got a 2000 ss m6 stock except for a loudmouth exhaust and lid.The next night I was sittin talkin to a friends and he came by and started running his mouth saying he out ran my piece of sh** the night before and he said he would run me for the $1000.Her tried to borrow it from several but had no luck or i had no luck :jest: The next night he got behind me so I thought i'd give him a show so I motioned him around and here he came I let him get to my door and then i push it down a little in 2nd and wind it up pretty good and by the time I go to 3rd his headlights are just little dots in my mirror so I let off of it and come to a redlight.When he gets behind me hes running his mouth and flippin me off.I guess he was upset with the defeat.We proceed through town with him on my bumper and he finally comes around and I have to ride the brakes so he can make it. :jest: Next thing we see are blue lights and he tries to out run them but has no luck.Now hes spending the next 6 months in jail which I think is pretty funny cause he was such a jerk.

I dunno why but I don't believe this story. Nice kill though.

No its true.The cops got so lucky to have met us.Im proud I was driving normal at that time.He got 6 months because of past charges and he almost hit a cop head on when he ran.

I dunno why but I don't believe this story. Nice kill though.
My thoughts exactly.

Whats hard to believe its just a 03 GT. :engarde:

No its true.The cops got so lucky to have met us.Im proud I was driving normal at that time.He got 6 months because of past charges and he almost hit a cop head on when he ran.
Well, that puts some more light on the subject. :jest: Good kill man.

nice made up story.....dork

This might be off topic, but how come most of the Mustang GT owners think they are so topnotch ? They are almost worser then ricer!
(Only said "Most GT owners" not all of them!)

This might be off topic, but how come most of the Mustang GT owners think they are so topnotch ? They are almost worser then ricer!
(Only said "Most GT owners" not all of them!)


Because, most are mustan guys, and the GT is their first V8 car...so they think it is badass. They just simply don't know any better. What makes them worse, is they refuse to learn any better. I had a GT with catback try to mess with me once...I laughed and turned off. I didn't laugh because it was 'only a GT'. I laughed because the guy was cocky and thought I was 'easy prey'.


Nice kill to the original poster.

This might be off topic, but how come most of the Mustang GT owners think they are so topnotch ? They are almost worser then ricer!
(Only said "Most GT owners" not all of them!)

Go to any Mustang site and the same will be said against f-body owners. It's the few smart-ass bad apples in the barrel that ruin the bunch, no matter what they drive. Some guys believe whatever they're driving is "the shit", regardless of make, or performance. But the truly educated enthusiast will know better.;)

Go to any Mustang site and the same will be said against f-body owners. It's the few smart-ass bad apples in the barrel that ruin the bunch, no matter what they drive. Some guys believe whatever they're driving is "the shit", regardless of make, or performance. But the truly educated enthusiast will know better.;)


Then there's that reason too. :jest: :chug:

I think what makes most mustang Gt owners think their car is the sh** is because of how loud their exhaust is plus its most of thems first v8.Its just rediculous how cocky some are. :eek2: and another thing is I would never put a story on here that wasn't true...that would be dumb. :bang:

i will agree with with you on that, most mustang owners do think they are the shiiit, i dont think that i am, i know i am j/k

i will agree with with you on that, most mustang owners do think they are the shiiit, i dont think that i am, i know i am j/k


That sure is a nice looking mustang you got mustard.

yeah, two of my friends drive GT's and they get so pissed when they read stories on mustang forums and see shit like "I raced a f-bod last night n owned him" and they see that the gt guy is in an almost stock car. Because they know what our cars can do and give mad respect to F-bod drivers. They hate some of the things that a few stang drivers do that makes them all look like jerks.

lol I have a friend who had a bolt-ons RS camaro that would stay door to door with a newer GT vert til about 75 MPH before it'd slowly start pulling away from the wheezing TBI turd. It was actually pretty funny inspite of him "winning".

This might be off topic, but how come most of the Mustang GT owners think they are so topnotch ? They are almost worser then ricer!
(Only said "Most GT owners" not all of them!)it's a display mechanism. We see it in nature all the time. Look big and intimidating or get eaten. Unfortunately for our ford friends, they don't realize that snakes and ponies are top prey for our cars; the display mechanism rarely works as a result.

yeah, two of my friends drive GT's and they get so pissed when they read stories on mustang forums and see shit like "I raced a f-bod last night n owned him" and they see that the gt guy is in an almost stock car. Because they know what our cars can do and give mad respect to F-bod drivers. They hate some of the things that a few stang drivers do that makes them all look like jerks.


Yea used to have a 91 RS 305 TB bone stock and it was a close race through the quarted against GT's wiyh bolt ons.I think I coulda took alot of stock GT's but couldn't find any to race around here.

Yea used to have a 91 RS 305 TB bone stock and it was a close race through the quarted against GT's wiyh bolt ons.I think I coulda took alot of stock GT's but couldn't find any to race around here.

That's getting a little carried away. I had an 88 305 that was barely faster than a Lancer. Those are slow, a Mustang would kill one

This might be off topic, but how come most of the Mustang GT owners think they are so topnotch ? They are almost worser then ricer!
(Only said "Most GT owners" not all of them!)

Wow. I was in a thread a little while ago where Mustang guys were getting some respect...then this thread we're "worser than ricer". :buttkick:

Not ALL mustang guys are cocky...just a few bad apples. Same as with the LS1 crowd and now the Mopar guys...right? :wavey:

a couple months ago before i was s/c i was cruisin down a main road and this ss maro pulls up to me and wants to go, at the time i had c.a.i, t/b, headers, x, axel back, and custom tune. i said what the hell, i had only ran no more than 5 ls1 before, being some gto and t/a, and one ls2, i beat them all but they were definately stock, but this maro got me good the first run, killed him the next 2 runs, turns out he was a 02, and had ls6 intake and heads and what not, dangerous cars you all are, and my point is mustangs stock are a joke, knowing what i know now, if i could do it again, i would of bought a cobra or t/a or maro, maybe a goat, why you think im here and not on a mustang forum

That's getting a little carried away. I had an 88 305 that was barely faster than a Lancer. Those are slow, a Mustang would kill one
I KNEW A GUY WITH THE SAME KIND OF OLD CAMARO, THOSE CARS ARE TURDS, BUT I DO GIVE MAD RESPECT TO THE LS1, THAT MOTOR RUNS LIKE A SNOT NOSE WITH LITTLE MODS.

I agree. The LS1s are serious with little help. Mustangs need mods to run with them. I like the T/A looks better, but both are fast in stock trim. I respect 'em.

+1 i agree

That's getting a little carried away. I had an 88 305 that was barely faster than a Lancer. Those are slow, a Mustang would kill one

I agree with this. 305s are DOGS and I regret buying my third gen TA with one. Hell, the tires can't even break loose unless I neutral bomb it (A4). I would not be caught dead racing in this thing.

Sorry if i offended any Mustang GT owners by saying "Their almost like ricers," im new to this site......

[04Terminator]Wow. I was in a thread a little while ago where Mustang guys were getting some respect...then this thread we're "worser than ricer". :buttkick:

Not ALL mustang guys are cocky...just a few bad apples. Same as with the LS1 crowd and now the Mopar guys...right?


Well thats why i said "Not all of them,"

I agree with this. 305s are DOGS and I regret buying my third gen TA with one. Hell, the tires can't even break loose unless I neutral bomb it (A4). I would not be caught dead racing in this thing.

LOL, reminds me when I had my IROC 305 TPI, That dam thing sounded so good, and I thought it was a hefty car UNTIL!!!, I got beat by modded civic!!! :eek2:

Talk about embarassing. I was in a neck and neck race with a regular Lancer in my 88 TBI, with gears, intake, and exhaust lol

A guy I knew had a I Roc with the 350 tpi and that thing would eat my 91 RS up but my 91 was pretty stout for what it was.I only gave $1500 for it in like 96.I think the motor had been rebuilt and a mild cam added which might explain why it was a little stouter, but it deffinately didn't compare to the Ls1.

sorry but i think racing for money is gay

sorry but i think racing for money is gay

I wanted to race this Gt because the owner was so cocky.Another thing with this guy and most other mustang guys in my town is when you beat them they got an excuss like they missed a gear or there clutch is slipping...like they woulda beat you.So I wanted to put money on it so i'd get something out of the race because they take the bragging rights away with their excuses. :bang:

I built up a friends 85 camaro. Started out with the 305 ho. its was alright behind the t5 and 373 rear with posi. Then we put in traction bars, subframe connectors, msd ignition, weight reduction, Dr's, and a Performer rpm 355 :devil: , headers, ory and flowmaster exh. After bm ripper he was the only mod holding the car back. He was cocky before the 355 and aided the local camaro guys in making us look worse. Oddly enought the local mustang guys were usually the cool ones and the camaro guys were the ones making an ass outta themselves. For the record, the guy with the 85, if he every learns how to race it'll be a quick car.

first run, killed him the next 2 runs, turns out he was a 02, and had ls6 intake and heads and what not, dangerous cars you all are, and my point is mustangs stock are a joke, knowing what i know now, if i could do it again, i would of bought a cobra or t/a or maro, maybe a goat, why you think im here and not on a mustang forumI don't doubt the ls1 had heads, but they were stock ones. A h/c ls1 is going to yank an intake exhaust gt HARD. But maybe that only happens around here on the street, and not on the internet. I find it funny that most gt owners I've run into brag about taking down modded ls1's with their catback/cold air intake gt. Truth is , I've never seen it happen. Actually, from a standing quarter it just gets downright ugly for the gt. :secret:

well in this case its what you want to belive, but that guy and his friend who is my roomate are both on this site and they are the ones twho refered me to it could vouch its the truth. but then you would say im prob am both guys who are possting and it would turn into something stupid, so we can leqve it at that,

now if you cared t ask me to clarify i might hve told you that i really dont know to much about gm and they told me that the 02 ss came with ls6 intake manifolds and heads i believe, but i guess im just a mustang guy in a pontiac forum ackting like imthe madest thin in the world, so i will end this with saying thank you for makeing me realize that its not just mustang ownrs that are .............. well ill leave it at that

Maybe I should shine some light on Mustard. His car before the Saleen was a monster. In fact you can call the guys down at SCT and they'll confirm it. The haters on here should go ahead and shut up, because if they knew anything they'd know the 05 responds exceptionally well to most of the external mods. That combined with a good tune can mean a whole lot. The 02 he raced had minor mods done, came stock with a good number of ls6 parts. We all know that the '02 had the same heads and intake manifold, and I'm reasonably(85%) sure, based on production date and what I could see of the block (it was dark), this particular one had the LS6 block. Plus it was on a stock tune. From a roll he admitted the SS took him, no suprise there. From a dig he took the SS, again I'm not suprised. I raced the same SS from a roll and got beat and I wasn't suprised either. I wish I'd raced him from a dig tho(nitto's and 3.73s).

Also wtf is wrong with you? bashing on mustangs that are giving props to the LSX platform? Why the fuck would someone giving props bother to lie? The first time he ever ran it at a track(with a shorter list of mods) it turned out a 13.1. Ever heard of benefit of the doubt? Especially in a case where it's a car you obviously know nothing about and basing any such "knowledge" of on an old platform(-04) that you probably know equally as well.

If the sig doesn't make it obvious, yes, I'm his roommate.

The 02 he raced had minor mods done, came stock with a good number of ls6 parts. We all know that the '02 had the same heads and intake manifold, and I'm reasonably(85%) sure, based on production date and what I could see of the block (it was dark), this particular one had the LS6 block.
01-02 Fbodys had the LS6 style intake manifold and DIFFERENT casting for the heads from the 98-00 Fbody's. The LS6 heads are different again (to a certain extent). Also 01/2 Fbody's had a milder cam than 98-00 cars. So there is likely less than 20bhp difference between them if that.

Now, there are a few odd ball cars which did indeed have LS6 heads and/or blocks. But that doesn't mean they had 405bhp as the cam and innerds are Ls1. As is the PCM and standard tuning. A full LS6 engine would require a different tune to make the most of it.

01-02 Fbodys had the LS6 style intake manifold and DIFFERENT casting for the heads from the 98-00 Fbody's. The LS6 heads are different again (to a certain extent). Also 01/2 Fbody's had a milder cam than 98-00 cars. So there is likely less than 20bhp difference between them if that.

Now, there are a few odd ball cars which did indeed have LS6 heads and/or blocks. But that doesn't mean they had 405bhp as the cam and innerds are Ls1. As is the PCM and standard tuning. A full LS6 engine would require a different tune to make the most of it.

unfortunatley the 00 also has that nice 119.5 degrees of lobe seperation. It's just the ls6 block, not motor. the 02 SS's only aftermarket was slp lid, k&n filter, maf, and I want to say throttle body.

enough already, ill smoke you all because im a cocky mustang owner

enough already, ill smoke you all because im a cocky mustang owner

Hey mustard, I'll run ya. oh...wait...i'm one of those cocky "almost rice" mustang guys too...guess that wouldn't prove anything. :)

Oh well. LS1s are fast at least and potentailly very fast, but i know what a 3V w/Saleen twin screw can do too. It's good to have the rivalry. Nice kill.

unfortunatley the 00 also has that nice 119.5 degrees of lobe seperation. It's just the ls6 block, not motor. the 02 SS's only aftermarket was slp lid, k&n filter, maf, and I want to say throttle body.


My SS is a 00 so does that 119.5 of lobe seperation makes it stouter or what and mustard I wish all mustang owners could be like you and not so cocky.

i pulled him over and asked him if he wanted to run them for a $1000 but he said no his exhaust bolt was loose


Huh? :confused:

I dunno why but I don't believe this story. Nice kill though.

Word.

My SS is a 00 so does that 119.5 of lobe seperation makes it stouter or what and mustard I wish all mustang owners could be like you and not so cocky.


because this is internet, i cant tell if you are being serious or joking about the not so cocky comment,

but really im not cocky at all.

Maybe I should shine some light on Mustard. His car before the Saleen was a monster. In fact you can call the guys down at SCT and they'll confirm it. The haters on here should go ahead and shut up, because if they knew anything they'd know the 05 responds exceptionally well to most of the external mods. That combined with a good tune can mean a whole lot. The 02 he raced had minor mods done, came stock with a good number of ls6 parts. We all know that the '02 had the same heads and intake manifold, and I'm reasonably(85%) sure, based on production date and what I could see of the block (it was dark), this particular one had the LS6 block. Plus it was on a stock tune. From a roll he admitted the SS took him, no suprise there. From a dig he took the SS, again I'm not suprised. I raced the same SS from a roll and got beat and I wasn't suprised either. I wish I'd raced him from a dig tho(nitto's and 3.73s).

Also wtf is wrong with you? bashing on mustangs that are giving props to the LSX platform? Why the fuck would someone giving props bother to lie? The first time he ever ran it at a track(with a shorter list of mods) it turned out a 13.1. Ever heard of benefit of the doubt? Especially in a case where it's a car you obviously know nothing about and basing any such "knowledge" of on an old platform(-04) that you probably know equally as well.

If the sig doesn't make it obvious, yes, I'm his roommate.Whoa there, when did I ever bash his car? He stated that the SS had an ls6 intake and heads. Now where I come from when somebody states that they have "heads", they do not mean the factory ones. Based on this it's downright laughable to think that a intake exhaust gt not only kept up, but beat 2 out of 3 races a heads and cam ls1(i know he didn't say the guy had a cam, but I've never met any ls1 guy with heads and not a cam.)

I don't care how strong his gt is from the factory, it's just not going to happen, at least not in the real world. BTW I'm a former mustang guy, I know a fair amount about the 2v,4v and 3v, and I'm sure my "knowledge" of these engines probably supercedes your own. If he were to say that he beat a mild bolt on ss with his i/e gt I would give him the benefit of the doubt, but his post made it sound otherwise. Try gouging the sand out of your vagina before you make your next reply.

where are you getting this cam thing, and from what i have learned it has a ls6 style head, , and let me clarify, first race was from a higher roll he won, next 2 from low, my car is dangerous low, however we went till about 110 both runs and if it went higher he would then pass me, n/a im on a different end of the spectrum. lower end for me, higher for you, now im forced induct its a different story, but it seems you just dont get it,

No, you don't get it. Reread my previous post.

My initial response was to your post that you ran an ss with "ls6 intake and heads". If you were to ask someone what they had done to their car, and they told you "heads and cam", it's pretty safe to assume that they don't mean they have the stock heads and cam. You ran an ss with stocks heads and a stock cam, if it was an 02 it did have the ls6 intake. I don't doubt that you beat that car, but when i read your post it sounded like the ss had aftermarket heads, that's all.

ok i get that, when im in a conversation pertaining to ls motors im very illiterate, so in my mind when i hear it has a ls6 block and intake manifold and heads i asume its different than the ls1 ans ls2, i have a mustang motor mind not a gm mind,

so i call truce, because at the end of the day, maros and t/a still scare me,
gto dont bother me though

Well you shouldn't have too many problems with a twin screw under your hood, gotta love that scream at wot. I just misunderstood what your post said, that's all. Nice car btw.

Hey.....I'm not a cocky stang owner.........at least I dont' think....HA HA...

Rubber Duck - I can see why you guys got confused reading all of it. But, (please correct me if I am wrong, since i am no LT/LS god), are there not differnt sze cams? in other words, just cause someone says H/C doesnt' always mean they are throwing down 400+RWHP.....No? A mild cam with a head job, doesn't always mean 100 additional HP, correct?

Hey.....I'm not a cocky stang owner.........at least I dont' think....HA HA...

Rubber Duck - I can see why you guys got confused reading all of it. But, (please correct me if I am wrong, since i am no LT/LS god), are there not differnt sze cams? in other words, just cause someone says H/C doesnt' always mean they are throwing down 400+RWHP.....No? A mild cam with a head job, doesn't always mean 100 additional HP, correct?There are more different sized cams out there than you can shake a stick at, and each serve their own purpose. You can have a cam that screams up top with great peak power numbers like the t-rex, or a cam that comes in at lower rpms like a TR224, not to mention all the cams in between, not even including the fact you can get a custom grind for whatever specific goals you have for the car. For a point of reference I put down close to 400 to the wheels cam only with pretty much every bolt on minus a ported tb, and there are quite a few cams out there that can accomplish this, as i consider my custom grind pretty average compared to what alot of other guys are running. Now add a set of aftermarket heads that compliment the cam and you can definitely be at over 100 rwhp from your stock numbers.

BTW compared to the knowledge of some of the guys on here, I know absolutely nothing, get Patrick G talking about cams and my eyes start to glaze over.

There are more different sized cams out there than you can shake a stick at, and each serve their own purpose. You can have a cam that screams up top with great peak power numbers like the t-rex, or a cam that comes in at lower rpms like a TR224, not to mention all the cams in between, not even including the fact you can get a custom grind for whatever specific goals you have for the car. For a point of reference I put down over 400 to the wheels cam only with supporting bolt ons and of course a good tune, and there are quite a few cams out there that can accomplish this, as i consider my custom grind pretty average compared to what alot of other guys are running. Now add a set of aftermarket heads that compliment the cam and you can definitely be at over 100 rwhp from your stock numbers.

BTW compared to the knowledge of some of the guys on here, I know absolutely nothing, get Patrick G talking about cams and my eyes start to glaze over.


THanks. I am familiar with Cams in general. But, just not familar with how many are out there for the Fbod.

rubber duck you assumed way to much. Most people don't know that there's a significant difference in design between the first few years and last few years of the LS. Easiest way to clarify a difference between them is to point out the differences. Those assumptions of yours make you look like an asshat. Naturally I'm going to come to the defense of my roommate, especially when I've been here for the entire progression of his car from where it once was to where it currently is. We record so much video of this stuff it's ridiculous. We'd be more than happy to share it. Most is on vhs so you may have to drive, but we'd definitely share. Also you could have done a bit of research and talked to some locals and found out that even before the s/c his car was no joke. Had you taken the time, instead of going into flame mode, you'd have been able to verify and/or get enough evidence to support his story. I get sick of people immediately going into flame mode without learning about circumstances surrounding, or what the ride in question truly is.

Good example, today at work a sales manager from a rival dealership brought up his stock ls6 vette. Everyone immediately assumed he could beat me. On motor he probably would. But my car is set up for the bottle. With the bottle his chances of winning go out the window as I spray a 150-250 shot depending on conditions and what I plan on running against. Naturally against a LS6 I'd go for the bigger shot, because it is, after all, a LS6.
Do you get what I'm saying?

The only thing I assumed was that when the guy in the ss said he had "heads", that they were aftermarket, as I've never heard anyone state that they had "heads" when they were the stock pieces. It was a misunderstanding that has already been cleared up, thanks.

sorry about that, I didn't think about having him clarify. Crazy thing is it probably would have ended the same way just a bit closer one the latter 2 races. Ask some locals and you'll understand why I can say that so confidently.

By the way, after mustard raced the guy he woke me up(the son of a bitch) and told me all about it because it had been the best races he'd had in his car, or so I gathered. Guess he couldn't wait to tell someone about it(friggin sob). As you can tell I have since forgiven him for waking me up in the middle of the night to tell me about a race when I had to work 12hrs the next day. A story confirmed by the owner of the SS as I happen to know the guy.

I've learned to trust mustard when he tells you something like that no matter how outlandish it may sound, because half the time he has video, the other half of the time you end up hearing about it from everyone that saw it too.

allright mr roomate i think we get the point, mustard is the fastest mustang ever and rubberducky and i have forgotten the argument, a simple misunderstanding, llets let it go, and when i get the tranny issues fixed well post somegreat vids for all to see the faastest mustang ever

lol, riiiiiiight. you gonna start racing kids on bicycles again then?

thats funny