Pontiac Firebird 1967-2002 - Ws?
09-12-2006, 03:14 AM
I was curious to know if any one knows of a way to identify weither my car has a WS pakcage? It has the RTS emblem on the dash, and I was told that that meant it was a WS6, but I wanna be sure. I checked the vin and they make no mention of theose packages (WS6, 7, or 9) in the vin. Only the basics. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I would love to be able to say it's a WS6. Just adds spice to the name IMO Thanks
09-12-2006, 03:21 AM
Look for "WS6" as RPO code on driver's side door when you open it up. The RPO Code list should look like this (just a sample, it's not for a WS6)
09-12-2006, 03:47 AM
Sorry, I forgot to mention this is on a second gen...does the RPO thing apply on these cars as well?
09-12-2006, 07:58 AM
Yes, the RPO designation of WS6 will still be the same on the second-gen.
09-12-2006, 05:52 PM
RTS means Radial Tuned Suspension, meaning it was supposedly 'tuned' for having radial tires. Before that, you could call it having a 'bias' tuned suspension. I don't know if there is such a huge differance, but having RTS doesn't mean WS6. I have a 78 TA, non-WS6, and it has the same dash emblem. Look on the door, also in the engine compartment, right near the driver's side hood hinge, is a plate riveted to the body, probably painted over in black. It should say WS6 or not on there. What year/color/motor/model do you have?
09-12-2006, 11:26 PM
it's an 80 Trans Am with a four-barrel 301. I believe the orginal color was a dark red...someone *tried* to paint it blue. You can see were they left the factory stripe dwon the center of the car and all the pinstripes...there just blue now haha. I'll check sometime tommorow...it's dumping like crazy outside and the carport hasn't shown up yet :( Lets just hope that they didn't paint over the emblem
09-13-2006, 01:36 AM
Checked the code...the door one...was solid blue. Go figure...anyways, the one under the hood says WS4..???
09-13-2006, 01:54 AM
checked mine at the same time we were checking Joe's... my rpo says WS9... did they all say WS9?
09-13-2006, 04:40 PM
I think the WS9 is the Trans Am code, if Im not mistaken, and I think Y9 is for Firehawks, It has been a while since I looked up RPO codes
09-13-2006, 04:42 PM
I'll take a look at my 78 TA sometime this week. It's not WS6, so I'll see if it says something else, ie: WS4 or 9.
09-13-2006, 08:30 PM
My '79 is a WS6. You probably won't be able to tell definitively unless you run the vin through PHS. Back then WS6 was more of an appearance package which required certain performance options. Clues would be four wheel disc brakes and "turbo" wheels on your car. If you are serious about the history of your car, PHS documentation is a no-brainer. I forget how much I paid for mine but I believe it was $30 or less (about 6 years ago).
09-13-2006, 10:28 PM
WS6s didn't come with just turbo wheels. You could get an 80 turbo TA with or without WS6, and they would both have the turbo wheels. The 'real' WS6 wheel is a 15x8 snowflake. You could also get snowflakes on non-WS6, but they were 15x7, and you can tell the differance by looking at the outside of the rim: 15x8s had about an inch of steel between the snowflake part, and where the tire starts. It can almost be described as looking like a trim ring, to illustrate better. The 15x7s didn't have it, the snowflake part went all the way to the tire itself. And you will be able to tell if it's a WS6 by the RPO code on the door and the plate in the engine compartment, if he could have read it. You can still send away to PHS, but it certainly isn't the only way. The biggest differances between WS6 and non WS6 were slightly different shocks, slightly bigger sway bars front and rear, and the bigger rims/tires. Chances are if it was repainted, the orginal wheels could have been changed anyway.
If you look at the post labeled "gold edition, what to do" in this forum, the car in the pic has WS6 rims. You can see the ring of silver between the gold rim and the tire. Regular snowflakes would have the gold snowflake going all the way to the tire.
09-13-2006, 11:05 PM
WS6 didn't just come with Turbo wheels but on his particular car it would be a clue due to the engine he has. Still, I suggest PHS because his car has obviously been modified so much of what may have easily identified it could be gone and it's just neat to have the facts about your own classic.
09-14-2006, 12:25 AM
I know it's a 4 bbl 301, and it's got snowflakes, not sure on the rim width, but it's got 245's on it for now :devil: I could check the metal lip on the falke and see if it's an inch like stated above. Thanks for all the feedback! BTW all 80's came ONLY with a chev 305<pontiac 301<pontiac 301 turbo
09-14-2006, 03:52 PM
I know, 79 was the last year for a true Pontiac mill. If you still have all the stickers on the door, the one where it gives tire pressure is also a clue. It will give the stock size tire that came with the car from the factory. I'm really not sure on what the stock size was for WS6, but it had to be close to 225ish. I have WS6 rims, with 245s on front and 275s on rear. PHS is of course a good way and you'll learn about all your options/build numbers and such, but if you want a quick answer, look around for the stickers/plate/and such. With so much already done to your car, I'm sure those aren't the orginal wheels. Mine weren't, but at least the guy put on real Pontiac rims. Check out the pic in the "Gold edition" post, and you'll see the lip I was talking about.
True Pontiac Mill what? My 81 Turbo T/A is an all Pontiac engine..last year to have one :)
09-15-2006, 12:29 AM
Ya, 1981 was the last year the had Pontiac engines. And as far as different wheels, it's possible, but thats kinda like seeing a 98 WS6 with a new paintjob and saying, "Well those badges are fake, I'm sure." I'm not trying to be a dicI<, but just sounds kinda silly.
09-15-2006, 02:25 AM
Dunno Joe, we've seen some pretty screwed up stuff. Like escorts with H2 badges and stuff... its unlikely, but not impossible. haha... im still pullin for your car to be some ultra rare TA haha
09-15-2006, 02:27 AM
Haha, the two I remember most are the old caravan woody with the GTP badges, and the olds alero ricer with the huge wing, graphics, and dubs....oh, and those H2 badges...lmao!!!
09-15-2006, 02:31 AM
lets not forget the world famous, warsaw built... FASTIVA!!! ROFLMAO!!!
09-15-2006, 02:32 AM
Haha, I actually heard that thing was fast...I dunno...the whole story reeked of BS though so... I hate bench racing, lets go find it and run 'em!
09-15-2006, 02:34 AM
im game... your car or mine? lol
We gotta find the lime green fox body too... and the F-150 with the louvers on it... we gotta smack some sense into that dude...
09-15-2006, 02:36 AM
or steal em...those were badass!!! Put them on Samson, even tho it's a solid window and those were split rear louvers
09-15-2006, 02:39 AM
... i thought they were stupid... waste of money if u ask me... :engarde:
09-15-2006, 02:43 AM
which is why I said *steal* them
09-16-2006, 03:06 PM
If anyone still cares about the orginal question, I looked at my 78 non-WS6 TA today. It also says WS4 on the engine compartment tag. I'm guessing that it could be the standard suspenion.
09-16-2006, 04:56 PM
hmm... well Joe, looks like were both SOL