Negative Trader Feedback - we_todd_did - Unwilling to own up to his mistake

I purchased an intake manifold from William Ergle on August 30th. I received the intake a few days ago but didn't get a chance to open it until this afternoon. Upon opening the box, the intake to no surprise was broken. The intake was placed in a box, WITH NO PACKAGING WHAT SO EVER. I notified William of the broken intake, offered to send it back and asked for a refund. He says it's not his fault it got broken in shipping and will refund $35 since it costs him $15 to ship it. I simply put asked for the full refund because it could have been avoided if he would have taken a few minutes to package the intake correctly. He refuses, of course.

I just though I would put this out here for anyone purchasing something from him, he obvoiusly isn't willing to own up to his mistake and make this right so be careful in dealing with him.

-Nathan

how was it shipped?

isnt it automatically insured for 100 bucks?

UPS, and yes it is BUT UPS will only cover the damage after they inspect the packaging. And there was no packaging, it was just tossed in a box and taped up. I will post pictures shortly.
-Nathan

I think he should give you a full refund since he failed to pack it properly. It was his responsibility until it arrived on your doorstep in a safe and unharmed manner.

I had the same thing happen like six years ago, guys used newspaper for padding but like two handfuls of it.

Pictures of the box, no packaging, and the intake.

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I told you what I offered and that is resonable. Its not my fault it was obviously done in transit. Paypal seen it my way also. Like I said I will file it on insurance and when I get the money,or they may send it to you Im not sure it will be done. Im fair, and I thought that was more then fair.

so why not refund him. and you take up the battle agaisnt UPS?

It IS your fault. You packed it like shit, and packing it correctly was your responsibility. Either refund him the FULL amount, or we will add a "bad seller" status to your account.

I'm sick of people that do not take responsibility for their own actions. Is your reputation worth $50?

No it is not fair. You didn't package the intake properly and you know that. It is not my fault that you did that and I am not going to lose money over YOUR MISTAKE! This all could have been avoided if you would have taken a few minutes to properly pack the intake like any other person would. File the insurance claim, I will do whatever needs to be done from here but I deal with UPS everyday and know they are not going to refund your money because you didn't package the intake properly.

Man up to your mistake and refund my money, write this down as a lesson learned and move on.

You have 48 hrs to issue a full refund via paypal, or your user status will be changed, and you will no longer have access to the classifieds forums or the use of PM's here.

Take accountability for your own actions.

You have 48 hrs to issue a full refund via paypal, or your user status will be changed, and you will no longer have access to the classifieds forums or the use of PM's here.

Take accountability for your own actions.
I will issue a refund after I recieve the intake back.

Thats fair enough,

I will issue a refund after I recieve the intake back.

Thats fair enough,
So now I have to waste more money because of your incompetence? You pay return shipping and I would be glad to.

All of which could have been avoided if you would have packaged the intake correctly. Please refund me the full amount, or I can go through paypal. I will gladly send it back, at my cost.Thats all fine an dandy but they aren't going to cover anything because it was not packaged properly. If need be I can go through paypal, I should not have to wait the month its going to tkae UPS to finish their claim to get my money back from you. It was not packaged properly, just tossed in a box with tape. UPS will not refund your money once they see this. Please let me know, I can drop it off at the warehouse right up the street.
-Nathan

paypal turbocivicr@hotmail.com 50 bucks shipped.
We have a little problem. Got the intake, just got a chance to open it. There was no packaging what so ever and the whole back of the intake is bashed in, which means it is not usable. Please refund the payment and I will send this back. I cannot be responsible for broken intakes because of no packaging.

Thanks,
Nathan
Im going to have to file a claim and then I will refund your money. I dont have it to refund untill ups picks it up and check it out and then they will pay me and then I will pay you.

seeing how it has been 2 days since you got it and just now letting me know how do I know that it was my intake that was damaged since you have bought dozens. You can go through paypal there not going to refund you cause I shipped the item, it was damaged in shipping and not by me. Plus hell it cost me 15 bucks to send it to you so you want me to refund 50 when we agreed you would pay 60. We can go through ups or you can go through paypal if ups doesnt pay me the money then I will refund the 35 bucks and you can just keep it. Let me know.

You ship back and I will refund thats my final offer its more then fair.

Hell it took you two days after recieving it to tell me this, how do I know you didnt just drop it?

Yeah I am going to ruin my reputation over a $50 intake that you neglected to package correctly and now are trying to put the blame on me. I am not wasting $15 to send this hunk of crap back, pay the shipping and I will gladly send it.

I AM NOT PAYING FOR YOUR MISTAKE! LEARN HOW TO PACKAGE SOMETHING BEFORE SHIPPING IT AND QUIT TRYING TO BLAME OTHERS FOR YOUR IDIOTIC MISTAKES.

Paypal me $50 and this will be over, paypal me $65 and I will send this hunk of crap back. OR do nothing and ruin your name, it's up to you.

You ship back and I will refund thats my final offer its more then fair.
More than fair? More than fair would be to suck up your loses for your mistakes and send my money back. Thats more than fair.

Fine I stand behind my choice.

Of course, you're no better then the rest of the scammers out there.

No your a douche bag tool, and I tried to reason with you and you cant be reasoned with. You send it back and I will refund the money.

I can be reasoned with, but I am not going to pay for your incompetence. You were to irresponsible to pack the intake properly and I am not going to waste more money for your mistake.

And from the looks of it you aren't man enough to own up for your mistakes.

I can do this all night. I have never had anything else be damaged, and I know theres a first for everything. You send it back and I will refund you. Either way we will both be out of money. You send it back your out 15 and im out 15 for sending it to you and an intake. I have refunded other people before and BTW you even said you would send it back at your cost. Just send it back and be done with it.

I will send it back, paypal me $65 and I will mail it tomorrow. It is your fault you cant package something, NOT MINE.

Or like I said before I will refund you 35 and you keep the item that I think you broke after having it for 2 days before telling anyone it was broke.

not my fault you broke it.

$65 and Ill mail it back, $50 and Ill toss it.

Not trying to interfere and only an opinion (yes they are like assholes I know).

By looking at the inside of the box I notice something. Where the back of the intake was sitting, itlooks like something smacked the box right in the middle of it (maybe 4" in the middle). Is this about where the damage was done to the intake? If so, yes, the carrier may have manhandled it but since there was NO packing, I would have marked it fragile or something.

Second, I can speak from experience that there have been times that I didnt open up a box for a day or two because my life was too busy (family, wife, little kids, etc.) just the way it is.

I dont get it, why not just refund the guys cash? Why even return it since it is no good?

If I were todd, I would go ahead and just refund LS1 so that this mess is over not worth the headache and bad juju on LS1tech. Go ahead and file with UPS and take it up with them. Based on no packing though I think you are facing an uphill battle.

Sorry if I am out ofline in any way or form but I am tired of hearing all the negative complaints on this site between people...It sucks and I know PSJ and Nine Ball have better things to do then police that crap. I will be the first to admit that I am spooked of buying anything on here because of the scammers.

Good luck to both of you on this.

Not trying to interfere and only an opinion (yes they are like assholes I know).

By looking at the inside of the box I notice something. Where the back of the intake was sitting, itlooks like something smacked the box right in the middle of it (maybe 4" in the middle). Is this about where the damage was done to the intake? If so, yes, the carrier may have manhandled it but since there was NO packing, I would have marked it fragile or something.

Second, I can speak from experience that there have been times that I didnt open up a box for a day or two because my life was too busy (family, wife, little kids, etc.) just the way it is.

I dont get it, why not just refund the guys cash? Why even return it since it is no good?

If I were todd, I would go ahead and just refund LS1 so that this mess is over not worth the headache and bad juju on LS1tech. Go ahead and file with UPS and take it up with them. Based on no packing though I think you are facing an uphill battle.

Sorry if I am out ofline in any way or form but I am tired of hearing all the negative complaints on this site between people...It sucks and I know PSJ and Nine Ball have better things to do then police that crap. I will be the first to admit that I am spooked of buying anything on here because of the scammers.

Good luck to both of you on this.
I understand this, however I can go through ups once its here and get the claim filled. If he had opened when it was deliverd then ups would have handled it then. What I have offered is fair. Its like 11 bucks to ship it.

Seems like a lot of trouble for a $50 item. That is a cheap lesson to learn, just pack things more carefully next time. Had you packed the item CORRECTLY, he could have tossed it around and drop kicked it, and it wouldn't have broken. You are just ignorant, why would someone want to buy a $50 item and purposely break it when they received it? Especially a site sponsor with a good reputation.

You can mail him a UPS tag that is prepaid, he shouldn't have to ship it back on his dime, since it was your fault it got broken in the first place.

Just refund him. If he doesn't help you get it back on your dime, then it is his problem and I'll ride him about it.

So, you have three options here.

1. Refund his $50 and forget about it.
2. Refund his $50, then send him $15 or a UPS call-tag that is prepaid, for him to ship it back.
3. Be an irresponsible punk, and ruin your reputation and site privileges permanently.

Just an example of beating up on the little guy. Guys on here get away with more. Whatever do whatcha want, when I recieve my intake I will refund his money.

You made yourself the "little guy". You could have been a bigger man by owning up to YOUR mistake. You packed that intake like shit, it got broken, and it is YOUR fault. You could have prevented this from happening. If the intake had broken while properly being packaged, nobody would be riding your ass about it.

YOUR mistake shouldn't cost the buyer. If YOU want it back, YOU need to pay for it to be shipped back, and a refund should be sent immediately.

Fucking clueless. wow

You made yourself the "little guy". You could have been a bigger man by owning up to YOUR mistake. You packed that intake like shit, it got broken, and it is YOUR fault. You could have prevented this from happening. If the intake had broken while properly being packaged, nobody would be riding your ass about it.

YOUR mistake shouldn't cost the buyer. If YOU want it back, YOU need to pay for it to be shipped back, and a refund should be sent immediately.

Fucking clueless. wow
Wow your ignorant, if I recieve a package and it has a big hole in the side im going to look at it right then, then tell ups and they will send it back for FREE. When I recieve my intake I will refund his money. You guys act like im on here scamming people like fuddle and rock on and Im not. So thanks for nothing.

UPS leaves stuff on people's doorstep, they don't wait around for everyone to open their packages in front of them. I have boxes from 2 months ago that I haven't opened, because I trust the shipper and the parts aren't breakable. WHEN the damage occured isn't the issue here, the issue is that you do not accept responsibility for your piss-poor packaging.

Your $50 lesson just bought you a restricted user status on the site. If you attempt to re-register a new name you will be permanently banned here.

....or you can just refund the money. If you want the intake back, pay shipping on it.

I need his phone number so I can file a claim. Once the claim is filed then I will refund him his money. Like I said you are siding with a sponsor over an average joe.

Btw I thought I had 2 days. It takes 3 to withdraw the money from the bank into paypal. Yet it has been less then 12 hrs.

No one is beating up on the little guy. Bottom line you shipped it with NO PACKING MATERIAL. What did you think was going to happen? Everyone knows when stuff gets shipped it needs packing material to protect it. When you buy a new piece of electronics or a car part it comes with packing material. You know why? Not because they want to make it pretty but because its designed to protect the contents of the package.

I waived the 48 hrs because that was time for you to see that reply, in case you weren't online. Plus, you have already proven to us that you are irresponsible and won't do what is right.

He shouldn't have to wait for UPS, you should. Send him his paypal refund immediately. If you have $50 in your bank, paypal will withdraw it instantly, so don't pull that BS. It only takes 3 days when you withdraw funds from your paypal account to your bank, not the other way around.

I got to have his number doucher. Wave my shit so I can pm him and get his number.

There I refunded him no set my shit right.

Here is his email address: sales@LEDGauges.com

There I refunded him no set my shit right.

I'll wait for him to respond that it was received.

I already refunded him so set my shit right now.

See this is bullshit, just take away my privalges again if he didnt recieve it.

It was sent as an e check I had no control, it is suppose to clear the 19th. Now if you would set my account back right as I have other things that have been sold and shipped and need to make sure everything is right.

For the record, it's your fault, the one I got years ago broke the same way. They always break there. If you have even stuffed about 5x5x5 worth of rags in there it would have avoided that. Lesson learned, take care.

I ship stuff via UPS all the time. You have to understand that they don't treat boxes like they are full of glass. They treat them like they are a sack of rocks. They just heave them on and off trucks. They get thrown around, and other stuff gets dropped on them.

The is quite plainly your fault and your fault alone. I bought a C5 rear, and the guy who shipped it to me shipped it packed in newspaper in a cardboard box. Ups had manhandled it as the box was beat all to pieces. In addition, the rear had been dropped so hard the coolinf fins on the rear were either bent, or broken off. How hard do you think a rear has to be dropped to break a cooling fin off that is almost 1/4" think cast aluminum piece?

Talk to UPS some time. Thier packing standard is the box needs to be packed in such a way that it can survice without damage a drop from AT LEAST THREE FEET NO DAMAGE TO THE CONTENTS. Thats just the fall off the conveyer belts. That doesn't inlcude the drivers drop kicking them on and off their dollies.

With age hopefully comes maturity and responsibility. At this point you are obviously lacking both. I would hope you might learn it is best to step up, be a man and take responsibility for your actions. In this case, yes the item was damaged in transit. But, you are ultimately repsonsible.

You could file a claim with UPS for the default $100, but the fact that YOU and ONLY you are responsible for your negligence in packaging the item will most likely end up in them rejecting your claim. Take this as an opportunity to learn how to go the extra mile and learn something called customer satisfaction. LS1_SS may be a vendor, but at the end of the day he was your customer.

Novel thought for you to consider.

"Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you"

What would you want done if you'd bought a FAST intake from LS1_SS and you paid him $800 for it. When you got it, you opened the box, and the intake was busted into a bunch of little pieces, and there was no packing material. If he came on here and said, take it up with UPS, it isn't my problem, I think you might raise a bit of a ruckus with folks on here.

Point is, step up and be a man. Don't force folks on here to have to be your parents and teach you how to be repsonsible. Learn to do it on your own...

It was sent as an e check I had no control, it is suppose to clear the 19th. Now if you would set my account back right as I have other things that have been sold and shipped and need to make sure everything is right.

If you sent an e-check, we will wait for it to clear before removing your restricted status. Had you not been such a pain in the ass in the first place, none of this would have happened.

This is a result of YOUR actions. enjoy!

For the record I never said take it up with ups, I said I would. I also told him it would take a few day for a refund as I refunded him with a echeck. I also refunded him so everything is moot that you have said. I just want my account reinstated as stated before.

Just reinstate my account and then if it doesnt clear ban me, how hard is that.

Just reinstate my account and then if it doesnt clear ban me, how hard is that.Tony already said he would when the check cleared, until then shut up about it.

I'm glad you hold up to your name, its been a good while sense I've seen such a dense individual.

I hope you can at least learn something here and spend a few minutes packaging something correctly, or letting the shipper do it. Its only another buck or so for packing contents, and honestly a few bucks is worth it for me to NOT have to argue with someone about packaging abilities.

Payment is pending, I will post up when it clears. William if you want this back I need another $15 otherwise I am tossing it.

Thanks everyone for the help.
-Nathan

Payment is pending, I will post up when it clears. William if you want this back I need another $15 otherwise I am tossing it.

Thanks everyone for the help.
-Nathan
I need your phone number cause I have to give it to ups so they can pick it up and start a claim.

Just reinstate my account and then if it doesnt clear ban me, how hard is that.
The way your acting you should be banned now. :eyes:

Who the hell packs something that fragile in a box that's too small in the first place besides the lack of packing material? I can guarantee you that it didn't cost $15.00 to ship that UPS.

Get a clue and make it right with the guy.

No one is picking on you, everyones just saying that you dont have common sense to package something right. that is your fault and you should have your account limited.

Just reinstate my account and then if it doesnt clear ban me, how hard is that.

What's the rush? Are you trying to scam someone else? :jest:

You remind me of a caveman. You shipped a part that was packaged wrong, and it broke, and now you don't want to give the guy a refund. Everything is your fault.

How do we know that YOU didn't ship him a broken one? Think before you make accusations. LS1_SS has bought hundreds of these manifolds (including mine) with no problems.

I need your phone number cause I have to give it to ups so they can pick it up and start a claim.
(352)238-6388. As I stated before I can drop the intake off at the warehouse up the street, I know the people there fairly well. Let me know.
-Nathan

If I were todd, I would go ahead and just refund LS1 so that this mess is over not worth the headache and bad juju on LS1tech.Now hold on here just one second! I am worth more than a broken intake ! I'd say I'm worth a broken intake and a severely bent rim at least! What kind of a cheap floozie do you think I am , sir? Quite frankly , I am hurt by this sort of implied statement and I am a human being with feelings! :jest:


(sorry, just trying to throw a little humor in a humorless situation)

I ship stuff via UPS all the time. You have to understand that they don't treat boxes like they are full of glass. They treat them like they are a sack of rocks. They just heave them on and off trucks. They get thrown around, and other stuff gets dropped on them.

The is quite plainly your fault and your fault alone. I bought a C5 rear, and the guy who shipped it to me shipped it packed in newspaper in a cardboard box. Ups had manhandled it as the box was beat all to pieces. In addition, the rear had been dropped so hard the coolinf fins on the rear were either bent, or broken off. How hard do you think a rear has to be dropped to break a cooling fin off that is almost 1/4" think cast aluminum piece?

Talk to UPS some time. Thier packing standard is the box needs to be packed in such a way that it can survice without damage a drop from AT LEAST THREE FEET NO DAMAGE TO THE CONTENTS. Thats just the fall off the conveyer belts. That doesn't inlcude the drivers drop kicking them on and off their dollies.



I used to work for UPS. You are pretty much right. Although most of the employees dont drop anything intentionally it happens a lot. Also keep in mind the bigger packages get A LOT of smaller, sometimes pretty heavy packages stacked on top of them.

Now hold on here just one second! I am worth more than a broken intake ! I'd say I'm worth a broken intake and a severely bent rim at least! What kind of a cheap floozie do you think I am , sir? Quite frankly , I am hurt by this sort of implied statement and I am a human being with feelings! :jest:


(sorry, just trying to throw a little humor in a humorless situation)




:funny: now that there is funny! At least you didnt say a "severly broken rear end!" LMAO J/K

All that crap for what... 50$????? I don't understand this!

Some Rotten apples ruin it for the rest of us HONEST Sellers that do right. What a Shame.

The Blur has it on post #56. Old scam in effect. Send a broke piece, underpackaged to buyer. Buyer rec' it thinking it broke en-route, either says F-it, or gets refund. Seller wants part back for refund so he can claim against shipper, which btw will go with declared value, now seller makes out with more money and isn't out anything since the part was already a bust! When my old headers were originally sent and messed up I didnt have to ship anything back to the seller. UPS came and picked them up at my door, the seller refunded my money AND sent me a new part no charge. Todd, your being a douche-canoe about this whole thing.

Speculation OFF.

Some Rotten apples ruin it for the rest of us HONEST Sellers that do right. What a Shame.
How am I dishonest? I refunded him, all I wanted was my intake back so I could make a claim thats it nothing more. You people are all the same, you cant think for themselfs. Can you not read? I already refunded him, it wasnt a big deal, he first offered to ship it back at his cost, now he renigged. Whatever though.

Im trying to get my status back right so the other people that I have sold to wont think Im trying to scam them, and that they can get intouch with me if there is a problem, however you people cant see that either.

The Blur has it on post #56. Old scam in effect. Send a broke piece, underpackaged to buyer. Buyer rec' it thinking it broke en-route, either says F-it, or gets refund. Seller wants part back for refund so he can claim against shipper, which btw will go with declared value, now seller makes out with more money and isn't out anything since the part was already a bust! When my old headers were originally sent and messed up I didnt have to ship anything back to the seller. UPS came and picked them up at my door, the seller refunded my money AND sent me a new part no charge. Todd, your being a douche-canoe about this whole thing.

Speculation OFF.
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does that look broken?

Thats the intake I sold him.
When I called ups yesterday they asked how mush it was to replace it, I told them I sold it for 50 bucks plus about 10 to ship it they was like is that all you want I said yes.

I almost bought a set of gears from him. He refused my 1st offer and I waited a week to send another offer only to find out that he can't recieve PM anymore. I'll just spend the xtra money and get new gears....

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that we_todd_did really isn't letting anyone down as far as his name goes.

There its complete 9ball.

Refund received, thank you. I am going to throw this intake away, let me know if you plan on having UPS pick it up.

Wow, what a screwball. All you had to do was spend 2$ for some damn packing peanuts...

BTW word of advice, ALWAYS TAKE PHOTOS OF PRODUCTS AT SHIPPING STORE!

ok guess you don't want it, its going in the trash.

Fine I stand behind my choice.

You are an asshole. You always will be. I've been an AVID buyer and seller of car parts for over 6 years on ebay/paypal, and I've run into people like you before. Let's hope you don't screw someone like me over, you'd regret it.

User account restored. Lets hope you learned something from this.

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