superchargers pro&cons
09-18-2006, 08:45 AM
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superchargers pro&cons alright im looking at prochargers, whipples,maggies. and im just wondering what are the pros and cons to each one.as for im sure some of you guys are running them.
keep in mind i would like to make 800RWHP
keep in mind i would like to make 800RWHP
09-18-2006, 08:51 AM
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800rwhp is gonna be tough with a supercharger. an uber pulleyd ATI might be able to do it, or maybe a whipple. ( I dont know much about whipples)
you might want to look into turbos as well.
I have a maggie myself, and while it doesn't make huge numbers its a great daily driver street solution.
you might want to look into turbos as well.
I have a maggie myself, and while it doesn't make huge numbers its a great daily driver street solution.
09-18-2006, 08:56 AM
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It depends on what kinda of motor your putting it on. You won't be able to make those kind of numbers on a stock ls1 or even a h/c ls1. I am in the same ballpark. Thats why I am going with a forged 408 with a d1sc procharger. My goal is 850rwhp
09-18-2006, 09:58 AM
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i was looking at a 3.3 or 5 liter whipple, or a F1 procharger.
there will be no room for a turbo set up cuz theres just way to much stuff going on under the hood with it. and a charger cuz its simpler
there will be no room for a turbo set up cuz theres just way to much stuff going on under the hood with it. and a charger cuz its simpler
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09-18-2006, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by CrawlinWS6
It depends on what kinda of motor your putting it on. You won't be able to make those kind of numbers on a stock ls1 or even a h/c ls1. I am in the same ballpark. Thats why I am going with a forged 408 with a d1sc procharger. My goal is 850rwhp
Wow, 850 rwhp is gonna be hard with a D1. Unless you're gonna spray it too.
We made 757 with that combo, and backed it down to 730 to make the A/F safer. 850 rwhp is F1 territory.
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09-18-2006, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Steel Chicken
800rwhp is gonna be tough with a supercharger. an uber pulleyd ATI might be able to do it, or maybe a whipple. ( I dont know much about whipples)
you might want to look into turbos as well.
I have a maggie myself, and while it doesn't make huge numbers its a great daily driver street solution.
you might want to look into turbos as well.
I have a maggie myself, and while it doesn't make huge numbers its a great daily driver street solution.
An F1 would have no problem supporting 800 RWHP on pump gas, you have no idea what you're talking about.
09-18-2006, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by TS6
An F1 would have no problem supporting 800 RWHP on pump gas, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Chill.
09-18-2006, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by orange88
alright im looking at prochargers, whipples,maggies. and im just wondering what are the pros and cons to each one ... keep in mind i would like to make 800RWHP
You will not get anywhere near 800 rwhp with a MagnaCharger. Not even close.
I let someone else speak about Whipples as I don't have any direct experience with them.
A ProCharger can get you in the 800+ league, however, by the time all is said and done it won't be one dime less than a single or twin turbo setup.
Frankly I can't think of any pros to a supercharger in the 800 hp range. The cons would be potential belt headaches and potential downtime caused by ProChargers slow turn-around time should your head-unit need to be refreshed/resealed/etc.
09-18-2006, 03:01 PM
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Here's a con: RPM matched boost with all the above-mentioned centrifugal superchargers, D-1 and F-1.
Pro: F-1 can get you that peak number after spending some bucks. If this is a race car then that's what I'd do. If this is a car that's gonna see the street, then it'd make no sense getting ~900 rwhp with 600 and more of it past 5k RPM's (peaky powerband, little area under the curve)... Just an estimate. For the street, go twin-turbo FOR SURE.
Con for the twin turbo: Launching under boost from a stop. You will need a 2-step and it will be trickier. However, the boost will come one WAY before the SC.
A giant twin-screw or Roots (unfortunately, not the tiny Magnacharger) will have almost all pro's and little to no cons...
Pro: F-1 can get you that peak number after spending some bucks. If this is a race car then that's what I'd do. If this is a car that's gonna see the street, then it'd make no sense getting ~900 rwhp with 600 and more of it past 5k RPM's (peaky powerband, little area under the curve)... Just an estimate. For the street, go twin-turbo FOR SURE.
Con for the twin turbo: Launching under boost from a stop. You will need a 2-step and it will be trickier. However, the boost will come one WAY before the SC.
A giant twin-screw or Roots (unfortunately, not the tiny Magnacharger) will have almost all pro's and little to no cons...
09-18-2006, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bboyferal
Here's a con: RPM matched boost with all the above-mentioned centrifugal superchargers, D-1 and F-1.
Pro: F-1 can get you that peak number after spending some bucks. If this is a race car then that's what I'd do. If this is a car that's gonna see the street, then it'd make no sense getting ~900 rwhp with 600 and more of it past 5k RPM's (peaky powerband, little area under the curve)... Just an estimate. For the street, go twin-turbo FOR SURE.
Con for the twin turbo: Launching under boost from a stop. You will need a 2-step and it will be trickier. However, the boost will come one WAY before the SC.
A giant twin-screw or Roots (unfortunately, not the tiny Magnacharger) will have almost all pro's and little to no cons...
Pro: F-1 can get you that peak number after spending some bucks. If this is a race car then that's what I'd do. If this is a car that's gonna see the street, then it'd make no sense getting ~900 rwhp with 600 and more of it past 5k RPM's (peaky powerband, little area under the curve)... Just an estimate. For the street, go twin-turbo FOR SURE.
Con for the twin turbo: Launching under boost from a stop. You will need a 2-step and it will be trickier. However, the boost will come one WAY before the SC.
A giant twin-screw or Roots (unfortunately, not the tiny Magnacharger) will have almost all pro's and little to no cons...
i allready have twins and want to get rid of them for somthing simpler.
thats why im looking at chargers.
i want to know whe pros&cons of a wipple vs procharger in apps at 800rwhp.
09-18-2006, 03:44 PM
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Whipple? Dude, if it's big enough to get you the peak number you want, then there aren't any cons. 
Maybe price? Fitment? I dunno... 800 hp Whipple > 800 hp F-1SC Any day of the week for me IMO.
Maybe price? Fitment? I dunno... 800 hp Whipple > 800 hp F-1SC Any day of the week for me IMO.
09-18-2006, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bboyferal
Whipple? Dude, if it's big enough to get you the peak number you want, then there aren't any cons.
Maybe price? Fitment? I dunno... 800 hp Whipple > 800 hp F-1SC Any day of the week for me IMO.
Maybe price? Fitment? I dunno... 800 hp Whipple > 800 hp F-1SC Any day of the week for me IMO.
i think if im reading it right 10 inches tall!!
wonder if the 3.3 would make it
http://whipplesuperchargers.com/Libr...dimensions.pdf
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09-18-2006, 08:14 PM
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Its not, but there are alot of guys who mis-match their cars and blame their blowers when its the combo. I make well over 700 RWHP with a D1SC on pump gas, the turbo guys with my setup don't make much more. If I had an F1 I'd be right with them. also, my car makes over 500 RWHP THE SECOND you nail the gas, I have the sheet. Spool up? I don't know how much faster you want the power but at this point it ain't gonna hook on the street anyway.
Turbos have an advantage, you can adjust boost with no effort, whereas with a blower a pulley change is in order. Whoever said the turbo would be as affordable as the ATI is nuts, a custom turbo setup will easily cost more. I liked the tune it once and forget it approach with the blower, and didn't want to lose my A/C, so I went blower vs. turbo. You really can't go wrong with either, as long as the combo is matched properly.
Turbos have an advantage, you can adjust boost with no effort, whereas with a blower a pulley change is in order. Whoever said the turbo would be as affordable as the ATI is nuts, a custom turbo setup will easily cost more. I liked the tune it once and forget it approach with the blower, and didn't want to lose my A/C, so I went blower vs. turbo. You really can't go wrong with either, as long as the combo is matched properly.
09-18-2006, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Steel Chicken
Did I say it couldn't do it? I said might, because I wasn't sure.
Chill.
Chill.
Actually, you said it would be tough and it might do it if "uber pullied". Its been done numerous times, and since you "aren't sure", maybe you shouldn't be posting about it. Just my opinion......
09-18-2006, 09:13 PM
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Couldn't have said it any better!! I too was looking into a TT set up for the last build but there just aren't any "proven" kits (other than $$custom$$) that I saw available at the time of my F1 build that will keep A/C, power steering, etc and be reliable. I have WAY more than enough power for the street...too much really. At 5100 rpms I'm already at 880RWHP blowing through a Spec 5 Clutch and over 715FTLBS at only 3500 rpms...this is all on pump gas. Like TS6 said best, " there are alot of guys who mis-match their cars and blame their blowers when its the combo." "You really can't go wrong with either, as long as the combo is matched properly."
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Its not, but there are alot of guys who mis-match their cars and blame their blowers when its the combo. I make well over 700 RWHP with a D1SC on pump gas, the turbo guys with my setup don't make much more. If I had an F1 I'd be right with them. also, my car makes over 500 RWHP THE SECOND you nail the gas, I have the sheet. Spool up? I don't know how much faster you want the power but at this point it ain't gonna hook on the street anyway.
Turbos have an advantage, you can adjust boost with no effort, whereas with a blower a pulley change is in order. Whoever said the turbo would be as affordable as the ATI is nuts, a custom turbo setup will easily cost more. I liked the tune it once and forget it approach with the blower, and didn't want to lose my A/C, so I went blower vs. turbo. You really can't go wrong with either, as long as the combo is matched properly.
Turbos have an advantage, you can adjust boost with no effort, whereas with a blower a pulley change is in order. Whoever said the turbo would be as affordable as the ATI is nuts, a custom turbo setup will easily cost more. I liked the tune it once and forget it approach with the blower, and didn't want to lose my A/C, so I went blower vs. turbo. You really can't go wrong with either, as long as the combo is matched properly.
09-18-2006, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TS6
I make well over 700 RWHP with a D1SC on pump gas, the turbo guys with my setup don't make much more. If I had an F1 I'd be right with them. also, my car makes over 500 RWHP THE SECOND you nail the gas, I have the sheet.