Holden Performance - Aussie SS

Hi! guys well I though I might just post a couple of pix's of a my VY SS Commodore LS1.

sorry wont let me add

Nice Pics!!!!!.......................not

Wait a little while to respond there Jimmy?

Pictures comming any day now! :eek2: :gtfo:

well I'll throw some pics up of my Senator to give you guys and idea of what we get over here, this guy is running a bit late.
For those that are unaware the Senator is the luxury short wheelbase HSV model. Mine has all the performance options that are standard on the Clubsport R8 as well as a few tweaks of my own, like the intake and custom short shifter its a 99 model as was the same era as the original GTO design. The rear lights on my car were actually the same as the prototype GTO. I still think they should have used them instead of what they ended up with. What do you guys think.

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That thing is hiddeous...

Says the guys who owns a Camaro

He wouldn't know styling if someone hit him over the head with a catfish.

I like it :)

i like the front, but the rear not so much, especially with the hitch lol

Is there really a gain of H.P. for the O.T.R.C.A.I.? I have heard mixed reveiws about it, and it's so expensive to get one over here($600 U.S.). I do like the car, but not a fan of the hitch.

Is there really a gain of H.P. for the O.T.R.C.A.I.? I have heard mixed reveiws about it, and it's so expensive to get one over here($600 U.S.). I do like the car, but not a fan of the hitch.

The gains are quite noticable with an OTRCAI. Here it has been proven that they are the most effecient intake for the LSx

Nice, very clean, minus the hitch.

Yeah I bought the car with the Hitch and if I removed it now I'd have a dirty big hole in my bar. The neck does come off which leaves a cleaner look but meh its my daily not a show car, and as a result must do some hauling duties. I have a Subaru Outback also, but that thing can't tow large loads. The Senator pulls no worries and being 1800 odd kg makes it pretty stable too.

looks pretty bloody good to me macca :)

looks pretty bloody good to me macca :)

thanks mate. Throw up some pics of your SS for these guys to have a look at.

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd187/throttlehappy346/redss3.jpg

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jealous?....your jealous

:gay: that is not my taste in muscle cars!

:gay: that is not my taste in muscle cars!

why, cause it doesnt have a ram air hood?

#1-its 4 door


#2-its just not.........well, you get the idea!

#1-its 4 door


#2-its just not.........well, you get the idea!

just not camp enough?

our cars actuall handle a bit better than a barge. So yeah I guess they aren't true muscle cars that only go well in a straight line

our cars actuall handle a bit better than a barge. So yeah I guess they aren't true muscle cars that only go well in a straight line

they'd have to handle alright to be sold in the states right? lol

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jealous?....your jealous

My wife would kill for that car :hail:

Talked her into selling the Ford Focus for a GTO... She LOVES it but wishes they came in 4 doors... It would be cool ;)!

My wife would kill for that car :hail:

Talked her into selling the Ford Focus for a GTO... She LOVES it but wishes they came in 4 doors... It would be cool ;)!
Not too long of a wait left for the G8.

No offense to anybody, but I like the SS a lot. I also like the GTO we got here a lot before they riced it out with the scoops and crappy new taillights.

That Senator just isn't doing it for me.

I dunno man the American car market is so different to the rest of the world. What the rest of the world thinks is cool we don't and vise-versa. I personally love those 4 door Commodores, Pickup Trucks and Wagons but Americans don't. That's why the GTO never did well here. I guess a big'ol honking hood scoop on your 2 door car with cheap ass plastic interior that looks like it came from a Cavalier is what makes a muscle car cool!

4 door gto basically

Stop the cunt bitching

Those are nice daily drivers


What the hell does for or GM have to offer?

Mustang and a Vette right now

Everything else is cheap,slow fwd crap

isnt the senator the same car as the cadillac catera?

isnt the senator the same car as the cadillac catera?


The previous generation Senator was the same as the Catera yes.

I love the cars they have done there. Pretty much everything has an LSX option if I'm right. They still have an El Camino (Ute) and Lumina SS's are pretty sweet. The new Commodore are just absolutely the stuff would die to have one of those imported over here. Nice cars guys weird seeing the gas tank on the passenger side of a big LSX car though. All part of the RHD setting I guess. Do your guys small cars have the tank on the left? Just wondering

Fuel cap is normally on the same side as the driver sits.

Nice cars guys weird seeing the gas tank on the passenger side of a big LSX car though. All part of the RHD setting I guess. Do your guys small cars have the tank on the left? Just wondering


Fuel cap is normally on the same side as the driver sits.


You're both right... I think Rhoop isn't realizing the driver side is on the right over there :lol:

It is weird having the gas door of the GTO on the right (passenger side in America) side but I guess that's one thing they saw pointless (and rightly so) to convert...

I know your not trying a Camaro Against that thing in looks , PLEASE hahaha

Gas tank fill point differs between manufactures here Ford has it on the left Holden has it on the right.

I looked up the cadillac catera. And from what I can tell it was basically a bastardised version of the Opel Omega. Sharing the platform with our Commodores but not much else.

I think when the G8 lands you guys will get a nice surprise on what our car industry turns out. The G8 is comparable to our SSV Commodore. Perhaps in time GM will broaden its importing to include our Premium HSV's. I'd love to see a GTS over in the US carving up the American performance cars. I can see the reviews now.. "It has 4 doors and it handles.. OMG does it handle"

Looks nice and sounds nice. :)

I know your not trying a Camaro Against that thing in looks , PLEASE hahaha

thats what im doing mate

wow....pretty darn cool...

for a four door, rear wheel drive grand am with a body kit and a trailer hitch....

That thing is hiddeous...

:mad::mad::mad::mad:
:bigun2::bigun2::bigun2::bigun2:

BLASPHEMY!!!!

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Trailer Hitch.......................AMERICANS!!!! :P :P :P :P lol

we've got dead Kangaroos and Vicious Pig Dogs to tow down here :P
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This is my SS....

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BLASPHEMY!!!!

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Trailer Hitch.......................AMERICANS!!!! :P :P :P :P lol

we've got dead Kangaroos and Vicious Pig Dogs to tow down here :P
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This is my SS....

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4 Door GTO. I love it. Guys with families could have fun too. I effing hate 2 door cars, look really cool but useless in day to day driving. I find it very amousing how the Aussie GM cars have so much nicer interiors that the garbage we get here. I wonder why that is. OK who got me started. I'll shut uo now.

I guess things are different over in AU

i love the interiors. I was going to look into having a clubsport r8 imported, the hsv model. But then the G8 came along and now ill just wait for that. I think it was the clubsport r8. You guys know anyone with a hsv quattro coupe? Or whatever they call the AWD Manaro/GTO ? id love to find one in a junk yard in australia and buy the AWD system.

i love the interiors. I was going to look into having a clubsport r8 imported, the hsv model. But then the G8 came along and now ill just wait for that. I think it was the clubsport r8. You guys know anyone with a hsv quattro coupe? Or whatever they call the AWD Manaro/GTO ? id love to find one in a junk yard in australia and buy the AWD system.

tha car your talking about is called the Coupe4, check out our ls1 forum

www.ls1.com.au/forum

theres a few on there

Would someone post a pic of a new LS2 commodore or a VY - VZ HSV R8 or something or even one of the last Manaros with the scoops?
Those bush cars are models from the 90s(VX and AU etc) when American cars IMO were beter looking but a lot has changed in the last little while and now the bush cars have got a lot better and F bodys and GTOs are finished.I know the new one is coming but I think the new HSV commodores are awesome but just a rip off when it comes to price I think Aa new GTS is more expensive than a ZO6 un beliveable these bush cars are Corvette money????? SSs and XR8s cost about same as LS2 vettes and they are Holden and Fords low grade sports versions.
Buy the new G8 V8 version is going to built in Australia then shiped to states and be 20,000 cheaper than a SS WTF are my figures off the V8 is $30,000usd well what does a SS cost in OZ about $50,000aud?? And current exchange rate is close so what is up with that??

4-Dooringest GTO ever.

Would someone post a pic of a new LS2 commodore or a VY - VZ HSV R8 or something or even one of the last Manaros with the scoops?
Those bush cars are models from the 90s(VX and AU etc) when American cars IMO were beter looking but a lot has changed in the last little while and now the bush cars have got a lot better and F bodys and GTOs are finished.I know the new one is coming but I think the new HSV commodores are awesome but just a rip off when it comes to price I think Aa new GTS is more expensive than a ZO6 un beliveable these bush cars are Corvette money????? SSs and XR8s cost about same as LS2 vettes and they are Holden and Fords low grade sports versions.
Buy the new G8 V8 version is going to built in Australia then shiped to states and be 20,000 cheaper than a SS WTF are my figures off the V8 is $30,000usd well what does a SS cost in OZ about $50,000aud?? And current exchange rate is close so what is up with that??

whats this bush car crap?

Bush car well thats what they are holdens in particular. They use to rally them in the bush a long time ago and lets face it they were made for aussie conditions eg bush etc. Thats also why you have that ground clearence when there stock.

Bush car well thats what they are holdens in particular. They use to rally them in the bush a long time ago and lets face it they were made for aussie conditions eg bush etc. Thats also why you have that ground clearence when there stock.

:lol: thats to funny
oh no a dingo just ate my baby...

Hey throttlehappy hows your bush car?First check the pick at the bottom of this link of Brocky rallying the HQ I think(former commodore more or less).http://holden.itgo.com/monaro_history.html

Hey throttlehappy hows your bush car?First check the pick at the bottom of this link of Brocky rallying the HQ I think(former commodore more or less).http://holden.itgo.com/monaro_history.html

i know what a hq is...its not a commodore

I just got back from a month in Perth. I'll give you guys in Aus credit, there are some damn fine looking cars over there. I seen a couple R8 clubsports and loved them.

I liked VKs ,VYs, VZ and the new E series are nice too shame the are so overpriced when new.GM and Ford in Aussie are thieves!!!

I liked VKs ,VYs, VZ and the new E series are nice too shame the are so overpriced when new.GM and Ford in Aussie are thieves!!!

yeah vk calais's are a nice rig. what would you choose, rice or muscle? not that fords are muscle mind you lol

not really that expensive mate. A commodore V8 is worth about what the average person earns in a year.. With our dollar climbing fast and predictions that it will eclipse the greenback by years end. It makes it difficult for Holden to justify exporting our high end models. I'm loving that our dollar is kicking arse at the moment. Just bought myself a cam package from texas speed for under $900AU. A few years ago you wouldn't much change out of $1500

I think they are bot good looking cars...Iwish I could buy one

TB mate I would have a brock in blue for a vk and I would chose muscle over rice anyday.
Macca it is expensive! With the exchange rate the way it is a HSV costs about same as Z06 vette but the HSV only has the motor of the low grade vette and that has a LS2 and thats priced about same as a SS also is a curent SS a LS2 or a LS1?

not really that expensive mate. A commodore V8 is worth about what the average person earns in a year.. With our dollar climbing fast and predictions that it will eclipse the greenback by years end. It makes it difficult for Holden to justify exporting our high end models. I'm loving that our dollar is kicking arse at the moment. Just bought myself a cam package from texas speed for under $900AU. A few years ago you wouldn't much change out of $1500

your making me think i should do the same right now mate, can you send me a pm on our site on how you go about doing that? what sort of package did you go for anyway? im aching for a cam now, 235rwkw is getting old fast.

TB mate I would have a brock in blue for a vk and I would chose muscle over rice anyday.
Macca it is expensive! With the exchange rate the way it is a HSV costs about same as Z06 vette but the HSV only has the motor of the low grade vette and that has a LS2 and thats priced about same as a SS also is a curent SS a LS2 or a LS1?

lol thats good, a guy that comes into work occasionally has a VK Brock Director

Whats a VK Brock Director? I didnt understand the Director part. Infact I like that car so much I would have a well done fake one even! You know the ones that use to be 6 cylinder and someone has put a 305ci? In it and T5 and painted it the Brock blue.

I think those 4 door versious are awesome. If I could pick up a 4 door version over here, even with the hideous GTO body panels There would be one in our driveway...Sans the goofy Hitch, The Silvy has one on it. ;)

Whats a VK Brock Director? I didnt understand the Director part. Infact I like that car so much I would have a well done fake one even! You know the ones that use to be 6 cylinder and someone has put a 305ci? In it and T5 and painted it the Brock blue.

http://www.users.on.net/~nweber/commodore/hdt/vk/vk-drctr-main.html

your talking about the "blue meanie" VK group a

i own a vx ss i think they are mean looking he dosen't like it because it's not american and gay!!!

Yes the group a one looks cool and so does that director they are both nice cars.
Each to their own but I wouldnt call american muscle cars are gay though. A VW beattle or a Audi tt maybe.
I just dont like VN to VX era of cars:barf: same with falcons of that era AU etc. VY Comodore was so much better and so was BA Falcon IMHO.

Who said US cars looked better in the 90s? Are you high?

Ford, GM and Chrysler wouldn't be virtually bankrupt if their cars were as good as Australia's.

No not at all are you? Cause no one so far has said US cars of the 90s looked better but I do like a lot of 90s cars like C5s,Cobra Mustangs,Trans Ams,SS and Z28 Camaros to name a few. But now that you have brought it up, they actualy were better looking IMHO.

any car with a hurst shift is definetaly not gay!:nod:
i like them post 97 vettes and mustangs moreso than post 97 aussie cars however they are coupes ,4 door wise i prefer commodores and bas over any us car,and i prefer the us f sereis trucks compared to the whimpier + scabbier looking ford territrorys)

My 2002 VU SS which was the ute version of the VX Sedan, have added the monaro bonnet since the pics to try get underbonnet temps down.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l316/SS_Brute/100_0122a.jpg

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Runs a 800hp Garret Ball Bearing Turbo, 3.5" Dump into twin 3" pipes, a custom cam and ported heads with 1.7yt Roller Rockers. The engine is out at the moment and getting a forged standard stroke bottom end after a cylinder lost compression and it collapsed some lifters. Probably a bigger custom turbo grind cam too because the original was really a NA cam. Was 392 rwkw at 10psi before the motor went and is being built to easily see 15 psi! :nod:

^^Insane!!! You guys seriously make me want to movie down under :)!!!

Dude, I can vouch for it! Like I said above, I spent last month in Perth and it was awesome! Not a bad gig even in WA.

get that bonnet functional :lol:
nice ute

Whats a VK Brock Director? I didnt understand the Director part. Infact I like that car so much I would have a well done fake one even! You know the ones that use to be 6 cylinder and someone has put a 305ci? In it and T5 and painted it the Brock blue.



A brock director is basically a top of the range calais spec vk but hdt enhanced from factory spec v8s model.

I beleive they come in white,bronze,silver + rarest of them all in black .
you could specify a manual from the base auto transmission +up to the undocumented 330bhp/308 ci emission legal ,blueprinted engine from hdt.other options were posi lock diff,2.60/3.36 diff ratio options.16in rims,body kit including ,sideskirts,spoilers+bonnet scoop,electric sunroof,bilstein shocks,upgraded spring rates,leather seats and a towbar.

They will eventually in time, become the next wave of most desirable cars in oz and be remmembered as the very last muscle car ever produced with no catalytic converters which interm made them ,the last legal nicer sounding v8

H&m headers were responsable for that very distinct and exotic sounding exhaust note,they were contracted by hdt to develop the best exhaust system for the road and race cars,along with countless of weeks dyno testing and evaluating different parameters to get the most out of them.

when I tuned a few of them years back,I used to tell the customer to take it for a spin around the block on his own,and refused to ever get in any of them cars (manual ones anyway),because I liked the sound of them so much,I just wanted to hear how they sounded:D
then when the customer returns,I lied by telling them, I thought I heard something wierd,and I want to double check,can you please thrash the car around the block again?:devil: so off he went again.:D :D

I want to import one so bad!

Why why why wont GM or Ford for that matter import these Utes. They are so freakin cool. Who cares that they can only haul 1000lbs. Dudes with 1500 pickups just toe jet ski's anyway right.

Dude I Think That Car Is Awesome. Seriously You Guys Get Some Nice @$$ Rides Compared To Us. Everyone Here Is A Shitty Driver And Cant Handle A Rwd Car So All The Regular Population Wants Fwd Small 4 Cyl's. Not All Americans By Any Standard But The Majority, Which Is The Non Enthusiast Part. Pegs.....shocks......lucky!

Dude I Think That Car Is Awesome. Seriously You Guys Get Some Nice @$$ Rides Compared To Us. Everyone Here Is A Shitty Driver And Cant Handle A Rwd Car So All The Regular Population Wants Fwd Small 4 Cyl's. Not All Americans By Any Standard But The Majority, Which Is The Non Enthusiast Part. Pegs.....shocks......lucky!

Yeah yuh ever wonder why cars in the US have clutch switches so dummies wont start their cars in gear or LSD diffs without traction control, I could go on forever, manufacturers are afraid of getting sued by folks who just can't accept the fact that they are stupid. That's why we get such shitty cars for the masses.

I think that the rear of that first car looks like a Cadillac Catera:barf:

iheard that u cant ship AU cars to the states until its 25 years old. different setups i guess

Why why why wont GM or Ford for that matter import these Utes. They are so freakin cool. Who cares that they can only haul 1000lbs. Dudes with 1500 pickups just toe jet ski's anyway right.

According to some reports, we are getting the Ute as a Pontiac.

According to some reports, we are getting the Ute as a Pontiac.



Yeah I just read that in one of my mags. I don't know how well it will sell in American as it is such a strange market but it would be very cool.

I love the UTE

Sweet cars.

I'm watching Barrett-Jackson and they said GM confirmed today the UTE will be brought to the US as a Pontiac. Definitely cool to see more of the Aussie vehicles heading our way.

My 2002 VU SS which was the ute version of the VX Sedan, have added the monaro bonnet since the pics to try get underbonnet temps down.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l316/SS_Brute/100_0122a.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l316/SS_Brute/100_0125a.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l316/SS_Brute/100_0124a.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l316/SS_Brute/Image007.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l316/SS_Brute/scan0002.jpg

Runs a 800hp Garret Ball Bearing Turbo, 3.5" Dump into twin 3" pipes, a custom cam and ported heads with 1.7yt Roller Rockers. The engine is out at the moment and getting a forged standard stroke bottom end after a cylinder lost compression and it collapsed some lifters. Probably a bigger custom turbo grind cam too because the original was really a NA cam. Was 392 rwkw at 10psi before the motor went and is being built to easily see 15 psi! :nod:

bad ass ride imo

i like the red 4 door as well

Motors been done in my ute I'm running it in at the moment, ended up staying 346ci with SCAT I Beam Billet rods, ACL Forged dished pistons C.R dropped to 9.0, stuck with the 228 cam, and ditched the yella terra rockers cause they kept breaking. 2000kms to go on the motor then we go for 16 psi!

Also a couple of pics of my mates HSV VX Clubsport R8, 20" mags, full leather Coulson seats, sunroof, M6. Enjoy
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l316/SS_Brute/100_0156.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l316/SS_Brute/100_0155.jpg

Says the guys who owns a Camaro

Love the car. Any way you'd send me the engine covers?:angel:

Love the car. Any way you'd send me the engine covers?:angel:

eBay VZ LS1 covers and you should get a set pop up every now and then

Awsome, thanks for giving me a lead on the covers.

so do we all agree it was a HUGE mistake to let the aussies to the gto, well for one there ugly, they dont sell, they only made it for a few years, and now we got a bunch of our ls1's down under, wtf send those motors back lol

btw im sure they are fast but imo they are ugly, but clean non the less

Mate we had the LS1 quite a bit before the GTO. And it powers quite a few more models than that over here. And yeah I agree the GTO is ugly but Holden only designed it that way to Americanise it. Our Monaro design is much cleaner and nicer on the eye IMO.

The red one is nice and the ute is nice also, not fgan of the color. But that grean one looks cheap and those rims are hideous.

Mate we had the LS1 quite a bit before the GTO. And it powers quite a few more models than that over here. And yeah I agree the GTO is ugly but Holden only designed it that way to Americanise it. Our Monaro design is much cleaner and nicer on the eye IMO.



holden had ls1's in the monaro before they designed the gto?

I don't see a MAF on any of the Aussie cars? What gives?

Here are some pic's of my 03 VY SS it has mafless tune, 4into1 headers, twin 2 1/4 system,has 3500 lock up converter, 3.9 gears with drag radials ran 12.88@104mph full weight
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i286/suxgas/11.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i286/suxgas/DSC_0929.jpg

And here it is towing my race car back to the pits

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i286/suxgas/01091905.jpg


And this is Australia's fastest LS1 and possibly the fastest Powerglide LS1 in the world with a 7.00@207mph
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i286/suxgas/ptt4.jpg

I don't see a MAF on any of the Aussie cars? What gives?

We throw them all away. MAF's have been proven to be a restriction because of that and the superior throttle response Speed Density tuning provides it has become common place in our scene to run MAFLESS. Hell even HSV (The Australian GM Performance Devision) released cars MAFLESS. The days of SD tunes not being able to compensate for weather changes are long gone with custom operating systems like EFI LIVE's OS3. I don't understand why US Tuners haven't embraced this method. Perhaps their understanding of it isn't as sound as ours.

holden had ls1's in the monaro before they designed the gto?

We've Had LS1's in our cars since 99. Hell you could get an LS1 in a poverty pack Sedan if you wished back then. Like this one
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/chrishsv/P8250185.jpg

[QUOTE=macca_779;8693096]We've Had LS1's in our cars since 99. Hell you could get an LS1 in a poverty pack Sedan if you wished back then. Like this one



wow i stand corrected

I look at these cars and I just don't see it....I dunno, I respect that there fast and that they carry obe of the best american 8's ever made. But for some reason they do not appeal to me. I guess muscle is different in australia. To me seeing an LS1 in these cars is like seeing an LS1 in a miata or rx7....respectable and great engineering but just not for me regardless if it comes stock with it. They seem pretty weak looking, more sleeper like...which may be a good thing i guess.

I look at these cars and I just don't see it....I dunno, I respect that there fast and that they carry obe of the best american 8's ever made. But for some reason they do not appeal to me. I guess muscle is different in australia. To me seeing an LS1 in these cars is like seeing an LS1 in a miata or rx7....respectable and great engineering but just not for me regardless if it comes stock with it. They seem pretty weak looking, more sleeper like...which may be a good thing i guess.

weak looking....
do they need a ram hood?

I look at these cars and I just don't see it....I dunno, I respect that there fast and that they carry obe of the best american 8's ever made. But for some reason they do not appeal to me. I guess muscle is different in australia. To me seeing an LS1 in these cars is like seeing an LS1 in a miata or rx7....respectable and great engineering but just not for me regardless if it comes stock with it. They seem pretty weak looking, more sleeper like...which may be a good thing i guess.

I see where your coming from here, but to get it you have to understand what our cars come from. The core design is not purpose built muscle car. Rather its run of the mill family sedan. What we have though is an extremely strong following for performance in these such vehicles. Looking from an American perspective I can understand the unpure feelings of our vehicles being classed as muscle cars. Australia simply doesn't have the money to design, build and justify purpose built 2 door hero cars like the corvette. The monaro (GTO) was our last and it didn't sell enough to justify its future even with US sales. Instead our car makers modify the base product to a point where it becomes a sudo muscle car. You guys have the G8 now so you can have a taste of our entry level V8 cars. Still though we have far better products available in the HSV stable that the US will probably never see.

I look forward to going to Alaska next month and driving some of the US's finest

I see where your coming from here, but to get it you have to understand what our cars come from. The core design is not purpose built muscle car. Rather its run of the mill family sedan. What we have though is an extremely strong following for performance in these such vehicles. Looking from an American perspective I can understand the unpure feelings of our vehicles being classed as muscle cars. Australia simply doesn't have the money to design, build and justify purpose built 2 door hero cars like the corvette. The monaro (GTO) was our last and it didn't sell enough to justify its future even with US sales. Instead our car makers modify the base product to a point where it becomes a sudo muscle car. You guys have the G8 now so you can have a taste of our entry level V8 cars. Still though we have far better products available in the HSV stable that the US will probably never see.

I look forward to going to Alaska next month and driving some of the US's finest

very well put and I see now where you are coming from. Well if there was family sedan I would want to drive it would be one that looks and hauls like that. Enjoy your trip to alaska, its absolutly beautiful.

And to the previous poster, no it does not need a ram air hood. Just does not need to look like that green one....dunno how you say rice in aussie slang.

very well put and I see now where you are coming from. Well if there was family sedan I would want to drive it would be one that looks and hauls like that. Enjoy your trip to alaska, its absolutly beautiful.

And to the previous poster, no it does not need a ram air hood. Just does not need to look like that green one....dunno how you say rice in aussie slang.

Thanks I'll try.. Pitty its Fairbanks and not Anchorage.. Who the hell decided to have Red Flag there instead of Vegas where we usually go should be shot.

Fuck ya man, I love those cars...LSX power and a functional yet stylish Sedan! :D Good Stuff!

senator.. i like the sound of that

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i39/macca_779/MY%20GEAR/Senator025.jpg

Some one yells "Get off my lawn!"

Love the trailer hitch. Man, it has to be weird banging gears left handed.

Love the trailer hitch. Man, it has to be weird banging gears left handed.

Not when you've got years of experience doing it. Funny when I drive LHD cars. When reversing I always bash my arm on the door window.

Just to add to the flavour, a few pics of my 2001 VX HSV Senator.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2221000-2221999/2221327_72_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2221000-2221999/2221327_74_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2221000-2221999/2221327_75_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2221000-2221999/2221327_78_full.jpg

And a couple of mine with my brother's 2003 VY GTS

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2221000-2221999/2221327_81_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2221000-2221999/2221327_87_full.jpg


As macca said, these are primarily family cars, as our market does not allow for a purpose-built 'sports' car, but these go very bloody well and we have N/A cars running low-11s and even high-10s over here, which is decent, considering they weigh 4000lbs.

How many of your 'family' cars in the States can do that and still be driven to the shops, schools, etc, performing family duties on a daily basis?

Cheers,

Macca

Mustang and a Vette right now

Everything else is cheap,slow fwd crap

My FWD LS4 will destroy you. On topic, though, I'm really liking the SS, but I just cannot deal with the whole european car market thing.. Wagons are shit, and 4-door 'sport cars' are just.. meh. Also, you ask what V8 American sedans can do that? Dodge Charger, for one. Most likely the new Ford Interceptor.

Some great lookin cars over there. I really like this 1.
http://www.hsv.com.au/multimedia2007/Wallpapers/E%20Series/gts_800.jpg

I don't disagree that there are some good looking cars. (Audi R8, Opel Roadster, Audi S4, etc) but it's just the whole 4-door sport-car thing is so.. no.

I dont care if it had 4 doors if its rwd and has a lsx sittin under the hood :). Makes for the perfect daily driver imo. I think it would be cool if they made an awd version though that way us guys that get snow would have good traction in the winter.

I think it would be cool if they made an awd version though that way us guys that get snow would have good traction in the winter.

Like a Coupe 4 ??

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/New%20Holdens/GTOCP45.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/New%20Holdens/GTOCP44.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/New%20Holdens/GTOCP43.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/New%20Holdens/GTOCP42.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/New%20Holdens/GTOCP41.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/New%20Holdens/P1010105.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/New%20Holdens/P1010104.jpg

OMG thats bad ass soooo jealous. :drool: That thing is awd?

OMG thats bad ass soooo jealous. :drool: That thing is awd?

Yep...they were only made in 2004/2005 and with LS1.

Here's one with a 412 cu/in + Turbo mod
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyVmH1P5fLA&feature=related


Engineering Vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=143_yOxtCdM&feature=related

Love Nicks AWD coupe4 it ran a 10 at wsid last weekend. Bloody thing weighs over 4300 lbs !!!

cheers

Thanks for the vidz those coupe4's are very nice cars. Ide like to convert a gto into one :).

G'day All,
Thought I'd post a few pics of my Series 2 VY SS...
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p58/kts350/my%20SS/DSC03625.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p58/kts350/my%20SS/vyss01.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p58/kts350/my%20SS/vyss03.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p58/kts350/my%20SS/100_0086.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p58/kts350/my%20SS/100_0073.jpg

Hmm bad ass 4 door sedan with a hitch I love it. Most Americans don't get it but I do. Those who need to drive around a car that says hey look at me I'm cool that's fine , I don't need to compensate for any shortcomings, I'll take the above car anyday...

I love the UTE. I would buy one they first year it came to the states. If it ever shows up.

I personally loved seeing all the goodies they get down under. I have always been a fan of fast four doors and that's all they have. I've had Taurus SHO's, SSEi's, GTP's and now have a 2008 Impala SS. Thankfully, we have the G8 coming into the fray. Unfortuneatly, I hear they MAY offer a 6-speed but, it won't be out for awhile. :mad: I am seriously going through manual withdrawal. I want to fill the trunk with groceries and haul ass at the same time! Anyways, here's some front drive V8 action for you folks down under.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z_H6WARo6k

I want to fill the trunk with groceries and haul ass at the same time! Anyways, here's some front drive V8 action for you folks down under.
LOL......That's just wrong !!!!
Wrong Wheel Drive V8 = PHAIL

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/WPb030014.jpg

Just to add to the flavour, a few pics of my 2001 VX HSV Senator.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2221000-2221999/2221327_72_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2221000-2221999/2221327_74_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2221000-2221999/2221327_75_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2221000-2221999/2221327_78_full.jpg

And a couple of mine with my brother's 2003 VY GTS

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2221000-2221999/2221327_81_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2221000-2221999/2221327_87_full.jpg


As macca said, these are primarily family cars, as our market does not allow for a purpose-built 'sports' car, but these go very bloody well and we have N/A cars running low-11s and even high-10s over here, which is decent, considering they weigh 4000lbs.

How many of your 'family' cars in the States can do that and still be driven to the shops, schools, etc, performing family duties on a daily basis?

Cheers,

Macca

lol nice one macca

LOL......That's just wrong !!!!
Wrong Wheel Drive V8 = PHAIL

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/WPb030014.jpg

For all around performance aspirations yes... for blizzard like, Northwest Ohio winters wrong wheel drive = Phat! For god sakes its almost halfway through March (when springtime starts for us) and we still have about 8 inches of snow on the ground that's been hangin' around for quite awhile now.

For all around performance aspirations yes... for blizzard like, Northwest Ohio winters wrong wheel drive = Phat! For god sakes its almost halfway through March (when springtime starts for us) and we still have about 8 inches of snow on the ground that's been hangin' around for quite awhile now.

Hey Tap Dat SS I always liked the new SS's even though they are WWD but I was wondering if they have any torque steer, I know the Caddy STS's have it bad but there is no doubt that powerful FWD cars are fun to drive though just in a different sorta way.....

Jelious does not even begin to describe my feelings!

Hey Tap Dat SS I always liked the new SS's even though they are WWD but I was wondering if they have any torque steer, I know the Caddy STS's have it bad but there is no doubt that powerful FWD cars are fun to drive though just in a different sorta way.....

Actually, for a torque filled FWD vehicle it does not torque steer too bad. I began researching why and albeit, the half shafts are not equal length they are equal "stiffness" as GM puts it. The weight over the front wheels is supposed to be equal and the engine mounts allow it to move fore and aft but not twist. The Impala also has a bit of a shorter final drive (3.29 as apposed to 2.93) as compared to it's LS4 powered Pontiac brethren. The only time I actually have a problem with torque steer is when the tires are spinning then finally grab traction, it will jerk the wheel. As far as just hammering on the gas or through down shifts and upshifts, she tracks as straight as an arrow. This is nothing like my 98' GTP that made about 300 WHP and jerked the wheel out of my hand at all times. As far as handling characteristics, I was pleaseantly suprised considering the car is based on the archaic "W'-body FWD chassis which I believe was originally designed in the late 80's early 90's. I feel a little more confident pushing it through the corners than my last 1991 Taurus SHO (with original suspension components) but, it does show it's height and heft as there is a more noticeable amount of body-roll. Hopefully, this will be addressed when I dive into the suspension modifcations. Overall, I love the car for it's fun, practicality, space, ride and ability to drive through any nasty blizzard old man winter can send my way. I would say my only major gripe with the car is the seats. Where are the bolsters? This car doesn't have any. I was so spoiled with the SHO factory buckets (co-developed with Sparco) that had adjustable bolsters that would hug you as tight as any racing seat. I see the new HHR SS has some great seats and the Pontiac LS4's got some nice seats but not my Impala.

Cool man, I wasn't really interested in the SS when seen in car mags and such but when I saw one in the flesh I was blown away at how beautiful the car is. Its probably the most bad ass FWD car out there. I can't believe GM actually built it. These are some sick times we live in now for car guys. Everyone's building unbelievable cars.......

I think these cars are freakin awesome!!! I would take one anyday!

I like this Coupe 4!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/New%20Holdens/GTOCP42.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/New%20Holdens/GTOCP41.jpg
Wow!! I want one. looks better than U.S. Goats!

Stop the cunt bitching

Those are nice daily drivers


What the hell does for or GM have to offer?

Mustang and a Vette right now

Everything else is cheap,slow fwd crap

GM does not make the mustang....:ripped:

I like this Coupe 4!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/New%20Holdens/GTOCP42.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/New%20Holdens/GTOCP41.jpg
Wow!! I want one. looks better than U.S. Goats!

Thats a nice coupe 4 there it also happens to run 10's in DD trim.

cheers

heres another vy for you guys to look at
http://widget.slide.com/rdr/1/1/3/W/30000001c445ac6/1/192/qnwFdGZC2D9Pe_0Wcx4hUNmFXSsFqsYK.jpg (http://www.slide.com/s/ZG3pC-3byT_iIHcOQgsK49nYVIr9oeRN?referrer=hlnk)
http://item.slide.com/r/1/138/i/OSsCOKmj5j8BD3n3lf_Ucux0QjYlmy5o/
http://item.slide.com/r/1/170/i/xiQ6xIaU2T_6I74dXItEnainE2ZUPT-D/
http://item.slide.com/r/1/159/i/ENLPuJRftj_3YMaCltx-0XMaiVTMSiq_/
http://widget.slide.com/rdr/1/1/3/W/30000001c4429be/1/58/1s-G_ewZ6D_8M90blXuq9ypsvTZHDzX5.jpg (http://www.slide.com/s/Oox10RpI1j_XPLytJJaJbrl8cz3oWUKS?referrer=hlnk)

^ Damn thats sweet reminds me of a subaru with a ls1.

That Senator looks like a damn KIA! WTF!!!

Stop the cunt bitching

Those are nice daily drivers


What the hell does for or GM have to offer?

Mustang and a Vette right now

Everything else is cheap,slow fwd crap



my cts v is pretty cool id have to say....... and i think gm offers that...

That Senator looks like a damn KIA! WTF!!!

You wash your mouth out for saying shit like that.

HAHA! Seriously! A four door racer with a V8? I mean, I like GM, but I cant believe they made a four door car with power. Just like when Dodge came out with the four door charger! Heavy ass car that cant keep up! But hey, maybe that shit is aweaome over there! I just think its hilarious!

The G8 looks better.

This is my car

It's a 2004 VY SS Holden Commodore ,

Basically a 4 door version of the GTO ( Monaro ) we send to you .

Made by GMH ( GM Holden) down here, same company that makes the G8 ( VE Commodore )

It's stock unopened LS1 A4 with a D1 Procharger on a 346 ci

11.0@127 street trim and 3900 lbs

This is my version , de badged and no rear wing.


http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa15/stelth747/DSC_7700.jpg


http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa15/stelth747/DSC_8051_2.jpg


http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa15/stelth747/DSC_8137_2.jpg


http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa15/stelth747/DSC_7639.jpg


http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa15/stelth747/wsidstreetmeet010206_174.jpg


http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa15/stelth747/P1010860_2.jpg



http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa15/stelth747/Picture002.jpg


http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa15/stelth747/Picture001.jpg

I like it. Although I like the red one better :D

Jelious does not even begin to describe my feelings!

jelious?:confused:to be full of jelly?:confused::judge::google:

I like it. Although I like the red one better :D

Just because you own a red car ! ;)

Is that your SS in the picture ?

4 door gto looks pretty damn neat to me...something i could definately sell the wifey on!!! its not mean to be an * american muscle car* it was meant to be a family car dad could drive and not feel pussed out...IMMO

Everybody has their own taste in looks BUT.... All things aside. You guys forget the most important point, it still has an Ls style v8!! :drive:

looks like a catera

May as well put my VE Calais-V Luxo SLEEPER in too.



http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x5/CalaisRider/Dynoagain.jpg


http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x5/CalaisRider/Avtar34.jpg


http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x5/CalaisRider/AVTAR28.jpg


http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x5/CalaisRider/IMG2.jpg


http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x5/CalaisRider/IMG_2274-1.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x5/CalaisRider/IMG_08641.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x5/CalaisRider/IMG_3776.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x5/CalaisRider/P1030289-1.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x5/CalaisRider/IMG_4116.jpg

Having 4 doors and a bad V8 is SWEET! Can be a father and still have a sweet ass V8

its different from what im use to but i like it.

Been a quiet year for me, new set of rims and only 4 road trips in the ute. Collapsed a couple of engine mounts which dropped the motor enough to puncture the air-con piping about 1600kms from home in the middle of summer. Blown a gearbox and some cv shafts, blew out the turbo side manifold gasket and looking at a new fuel system with the benefit of longer range for my trips and better suitability for racing. Got the second mod plate and engineers report for the 6 point cage and 4 point harness, car is all legal in the police state of QLD!!!! Just as well cause its a daily. Anyway pics......

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l316/SS_Brute/100_0684_small.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l316/SS_Brute/100_0690_small.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l316/SS_Brute/100_0688_small.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l316/SS_Brute/100_0683_small.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l316/SS_Brute/10102009060.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l316/SS_Brute/10102009059.jpg

:thumb:Nice looking ute.

HAHA! Seriously! A four door racer with a V8? I mean, I like GM, but I cant believe they made a four door car with power. Just like when Dodge came out with the four door charger! Heavy ass car that cant keep up! But hey, maybe that shit is aweaome over there! I just think its hilarious!

you will be suprised ! ...anyway a Fbody i just dont like them at all but if i lived around them i might. I was the same when the VT commodore came out , didnt like it but after a few months they grow on you. Give me a 67-9 or a 2010 camaro anyday.

HAHA! Seriously! A four door racer with a V8? I mean, I like GM, but I cant believe they made a four door car with power. Just like when Dodge came out with the four door charger! Heavy ass car that cant keep up! But hey, maybe that shit is aweaome over there! I just think its hilarious!

Hilarious?

You must look past the little world you live in.

We have had Chev V8's in 4 door cars for almost 50 years !

Even back in the 70's we had a Holden Torana in a 2 door and 4 door version that weighed less then 3000 lbs with a V8.


Anyway more education time.

Have a look at this 4 door factory equipped Z06 LS7 engine in a Pontiac G8 that we have exclusive for Australia, it's called a HSV W427 !

HSV W427 info (http://www.hsv.com.au/w427/)


6 speed manual on stock 20inch factory tires 1/4 mile run

1/4 mile run (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxG0vMGz58g)

HAHA! Seriously! A four door racer with a V8? I mean, I like GM, but I cant believe they made a four door car with power. Just like when Dodge came out with the four door charger! Heavy ass car that cant keep up! But hey, maybe that shit is aweaome over there! I just think its hilarious!

Ever hear of V8 Supercars? Best racing you will ever see.

I love the trailer hitch!!! hahahahahaha

hahaha i think its time for me to spend some time in Australia

Ever hear of V8 Supercars? Best racing you will ever see.

:drool: YES!!!!!!!

God bless Australia, where bad ass cars went to live on long after American car buyers pussied out. :cool: :drive:

^So true.

'98 HSV VT GTS No.299 of 399
Factory 5.7lt stroked version of the pre LS1 5lt Holden V8
T56 6 speed
3.46 Diff
Twin 2.5" catback from standard headers
HSV 330mm front and 315 rear brakes
Cloth Coulsen interior
Pretty much still stock standard and just over 100,000 kms
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l316/SS_Brute/29122010303.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l316/SS_Brute/29122010304.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l316/SS_Brute/30122010307.jpg

Reasons I want to move to Australia

1. Mad Max
2. V8 Supercar Series
3. Chopper Reid
4. Badass cars

Above list was not created in any particular order.

im just trying to find out why some people are bad-mouthing these australian cars. yes, some of them have a trailer hitches. but what does your car do (mine as well)? it drives you TO and FROM work if its a dd. what does theirs do (not all, i know)? they probably drive them TO work and then they use them to DO work... then drive them home after. and for the guys saying 4 doors are not meant to have v8s, i would LOVE to see yall race a '10 cts-v, or a vxr8. it makes no sense to bad mouth them. its a family car with over 500 hp for cryin out loud.
They could be driving audi's, bmw's, etc, but no, they are driving american/australian MUSCLE! :usa:

well thats my rant, have a nice day :D

True that.

Australians make American cars better than American's

quality, probably. looks, idk about that. some of the cars down under arent the prettiest of things :P