Florida Members - well it happened today...

sitting at work bored off my ass..

2 state emplyees come into the store..

drop us off some info on the guidelines for the new 2009 florida emmisions and inspections..

thats right ladies and gentlemen.. 2009 all populated areas of florida will have OBDII and OBDIII emissions inspections..

the inspections will include a visual.. and a OBD Scan for emissions codes..

GOD i'm glad i work for Goodyear/Gemini.. my car will always pass.. :)

So I guess this means that all cars with out cats will fail?
What all do they look for?
Guess I will have to be seeing you to get my car to pass!

Really?

so far we are told we are to do a VISUAL inspection of all emissions systems..

which is ok cause 01-02's didn't have egr so you should be fine there.. and as long as your tuned and have no codes.. a set of gutted cats should clear you..

So I guess this means that all cars with out cats will fail?
What all do they look for?
Guess I will have to be seeing you to get my car to pass!

you know i got you covered..

I don't think this will work to well.
They have tried before and failed. We will see, but I am guessing the older cars will pass and as long as you have a cat on the car you should be good (since it's illegal not to have them anyway)

Gulp...My 2nd gen ta has an earlier year engine in it and no cats. I guess I am in trouble?

pardon my crappy camera..

it sais it has something to do with agriculture and will generate 53 billion into the states economy..

so it has nothing to do with anything but money

dun dun dun

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So its only for obdII and III cars? The older cars that burn a quart of oil every 500 miles and pollute more than our heads/cam cars don't have to get inspected? :jest:

looks like ill be buying a lightning sooner than i wanted 2

this is scarry. i believe it will be county to county enforcement

i find it weird there is no news since this will effect a LOT of junker cars on the roads.

well the more i read it sais repeatedly.. emmisions testing proposal..

so i'm still keeping my fingers crossed

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:


WTF DO I DO? NO cats/mufflers, TURBO, NON-RACE CAR!!! I have my car to drive on the streets and cruise... I KNOW there alot of other highly tuned nice street cars out there (500+ hp)... What the hell do we do? Start dismantling our hard-earned money/set-ups and take it up the ass? I feel like crying!!! :cry:

This CANNOT go through!!! I got ALL my fingers crossed right now!!! Please, keep us updated!!!

question.....i know 01+ (or maybe its 02+) dont have egr and shit...i have papers saying i have a 04 motor in my car....since the motor is an 04 will i pass visual inspection if i dont have egr?

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:


WTF DO I DO? NO cats/mufflers, TURBO, NON-RACE CAR!!! I have my car to drive on the streets and cruise... I KNOW there alot of other highly tuned nice street cars out there (500+ hp)... What the hell do we do? Start dismantling our hard-earned money/set-ups and take it up the ass? I feel like crying!!! :cry:

This CANNOT go through!!! I got ALL my fingers crossed right now!!! Please, keep us updated!!!
we are gonna have a hell of a fun time trying to get our cars to pass!!!!!
my idea is to buy a cat to put where my removable cut out is, plus i haev a small cam, but no AIR anymore

well we shall see how this plays.. if your car is tuned you should have no cat code..so its all visual.. just weld a hollowed cat around the pipe..

and make sure you have a friendly inspector.. ;)

you all had to know this was bound to happen sooner or later..

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:


WTF DO I DO? NO cats/mufflers, TURBO, NON-RACE CAR!!! I have my car to drive on the streets and cruise... I KNOW there alot of other highly tuned nice street cars out there (500+ hp)... What the hell do we do? Start dismantling our hard-earned money/set-ups and take it up the ass? I feel like crying!!! :cry:

This CANNOT go through!!! I got ALL my fingers crossed right now!!! Please, keep us updated!!!


bro, Im with you... I hope this is a baaaaad joke :cry:

so its just a scanner and visual no sniffer or any thing?

Hmmm, looks like another way for the state to get more revinue. Hope it doesnt pass.

Sounds like it is already in effect.

GOD i'm glad i work for Goodyear/Gemini.. my car will always pass.. :)

Looks like I'll be making an annual trip to Melbourne if this goes through. :hail:

I spent 5 minutes on yahoo and google and no hit for this? Figured it would be easy to find?

Looks like I'll be making an annual trip to Melbourne if this goes through. :hail:

Same here since I'll be in Orlando well before 2009.

again this is a proposal.

again this is a proposal.

Whoever made the proposal should get booted outta here. (Florida state)

i'm not worried i will pass :)

sitting at work bored off my ass..

2 state emplyees come into the store..

drop us off some info on the guidelines for the new 2009 florida emmisions and inspections..

thats right ladies and gentlemen.. 2009 all populated areas of florida will have OBDII and OBDIII emissions inspections..

the inspections will include a visual.. and a OBD Scan for emissions codes..

GOD i'm glad i work for Goodyear/Gemini.. my car will always pass.. :)

Well I guess it didn't matter that I moved to NC, I was bound to have to go back to cats afterall. :eek2: :eyes:

2002CamaroSS and Country Boy:

Seriously, all kidding aside, we need to get together if this goes through and plan on what to do... It's been WAY too much hard work (mortgage, bills, MY CAR). My wife WILL KILL me if my car doesn't pass... We wil come up with a way... Please, let's keep an eye on this. ;)

2002CamaroSS and Country Boy:

Seriously, all kidding aside, we need to get together if this goes through and plan on what to do... It's been WAY too much hard work (mortgage, bills, MY CAR). My wife WILL KILL me if my car doesn't pass... We wil come up with a way... Please, let's keep an eye on this. ;)
there a tires plus by my house that i happen to be very freindly with (they love my car) hopefully they will do emissions inspections, but u never know if my friends will still work there in '09 also im sure we can get together and pay someone off.......

we should open a small, tiny, little shop that only happens to do emissions inspections for performance cars, and somehow everyone passes...... and well be expenisive, u think the state will catch on? we could make some real money with that......

We will DEF have something done by then... Back to stock... FUCK THAT! Imagine? SHITTTT After all YOU'VE been through for Chrissake!!! :eek2:

well the other option is the inspection is for populated areas.. not state wide..

might be time to get together and buy like a 1/4 of an acre out in the boondocks and register the car from there..

This sucks :(

Thank God we're not populated in Bay County. :D

propsal i say we burn down the guys home and see how much "emmsions" comes from the burning debri j/p no serioulsly im gonna be mad if this happens...

is New Port Richey considered populated? and Im good friends with the Tire's plus store manager next to my house so hopefuly he will be able to "pass" my car.

oh and these news are taveling fast, im on celicatech.com because of my 92 All-Trac and this link has already been posted on that site.


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2002CamaroSS and Country Boy:

Seriously, all kidding aside, we need to get together if this goes through and plan on what to do... It's been WAY too much hard work (mortgage, bills, MY CAR). My wife WILL KILL me if my car doesn't pass... We wil come up with a way... Please, let's keep an eye on this. ;)

Well, if it is just a visual inspection then you should have no trouble. Like someone mentioned earlier, just get yourself a pair of hollowed out cats and make sure you have no SES light and you SHOULD be ok. No need to worry just yet.

Now, if they decide to do an actual sniffer test, then I'm going to have to pull the HPTuners out of retirement :lol:.

Looks like we are all heading to melboure to get inspected :)

Looks like we are all heading to melboure to get inspected :)

OH GEEZ.. LMAO

Thank God we're not populated in Bay County. :D
Or at least we have a local Mod God in Panama City that know's all kinds of people in the automotive industry! :rock:

No worries here, I'm far from being the "most" illegal in the gang!

:angel: I know nothing. ;)

i will be keeping an eye on this thread, even tho sounds like i dont have a whole lot to worry about

Well lucky for me I have NO emissions codes that havent been deleted out of my car and I dont have LTs.....yet. And an '02 so I dont gotta worry bout EGR lol

And if anything Ill go visit Mike or someone else that I know who works at an exhaust shop

it should be like this.....

You have two choices

Choice A: You pass emmisions
Choice B, you pay an annual fee per car that you acknowledge will not pass, ie-show cars, hot rods, F BODIES, etc....like a tax, that way everyone wins...I'd pay it to get waived granted it wasn't like $1,000 a year or some shit...

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Choice C - leave citizens alone and take your hand
out of their pocket.

Choice C - leave citizens alone and take your hand
out of their pocket.


Its the government, you cant do that! They need money for all their pet projects!

they will just call it another tax.
i dont think i have a problem with my '98......yet.

all the high populated areas huh...like the high income beach areas where they are replacing hotels/motels with condo's...because the government is killing our tourism.

and honestly, no reason not to have cats on your car, even the high flow ones cause minimal restriction...have some hi flows on, lean that bitch out big time while waiting to get into inspection and see how it goes.

we should open a small, tiny, little shop that only happens to do emissions inspections for performance cars, and somehow everyone passes...... and well be expenisive, u think the state will catch on? we could make some real money with that......

...brother...you dont even want to know the shit storm your talking about getting into...your talking federal offense.

Dont worry. I live in NY and pass with no cats. It's all in the tune baby.

guys, its time to make those congressmen work for their bread. write them telling them you dont want this to happen. they will listen, especially the district representatives. it should kill it if they get enough negative response...i swear if this place becomes like california im moving to canadia

FUCK ME!!!! so i gotta put a cat on my shit again----- VISUAL INSPECTIONS- SO IF IT DONT WTF FUCK THIS SHIT FUCKING POS TREE HUGGERS!!!!!


okay so if it dont look stock then they check your shit for what? and you cant have a turbo on a vehicle unless it came with a turbo.... can someone answer?- if you dont have any codes and you pass the sniffer your okay correct?

Every place I have lived with OBDII/Visiual, the visual was a joke. There is all kinds of guys in Phoenix running true duals without cats and still passing emissions. As long as you can pass OBDII you golden.

Fingers crossed here guys... :(

I like all the comments about older cars though, did anyone read the original post?! It said for ODB II and ODB III cars, so why is the guy with the 2nd gen T/A sweating? I've got a 94 so I'm not worried either, ODB I, oh yeah.

I thought we didn't have emissions and inspections mostly due to the old people. Well thats what I always heard, that they wouldn't do this stuff cause how could all the old people pay for it and keep their vehicles maintaned.

Also 02vortec there was no mention of a sniffer test, just a visual inspection and scanning for emission codes.

lol just tell them the turbo is one of those tornado POS's, for gas efficiency. :)

i just moved down from NJ and barely got by without cats (moved right as my inspection expired lol) so .... looks like ill need to get some cats thrown on if this happens. wonder if a roots style blower would cause me not to pass? :devil:

The codes are easy to fix if you know what you're doing, and I'm not talking about just turning them off in the tune, you'll still fail for the test not having been run if you do that on a Ford.

What about say, 98 cars that have the ls6 intake, with no egr? I have the fittings for the air pump, and egr stuff, but no place for the egr on the ls6 intake. how the hell do i get around that??

Yeah there would be a LOT of people in this state spending a LOT of money to get their cars smog legal.

so inspection test- they make sure you have EGR and cats correct? what if i have a turbo- does it have to look stock under the hood- and cant i just get rid of the codes in the ecu so it aint gonna be that back

but does it have to look stock under the hood?

We could start a petition and send it to all of the representatives.

that we could- i like that

it sais it has something to do with agriculture

Can you tell me what state agency sent the flyer around. Perhaps they have a pdf on their website.

Can you to hook me up when I come in town?

Can you to hook me up when I come in town?

hell no.. LMAO

:chug:

we'll see.. this all still has to pass first.. remember its a proposal..

$50 says some news station is going to blame this on street racers.

and honestly, no reason not to have cats on your car, even the high flow ones cause minimal restriction...have some hi flows on, lean that bitch out big time while waiting to get into inspection and see how it goes.
Even high-flows can hurt turbo cars. Not so much with NA/Supercharged cars but any restriction after the turbine can seriously affect spool and to a lesser extent power. Then there's problems with leaded race gas and with melting cats with high EGTs/ rich mixtures. None of these are total game-enders for average NA cars but they really screw over the turbo guys.

I really feel sorry for you turbocharged, supercharged, and spray folk... Are there any N/A guys that have tossed around the possible idea of just having a second exhaust system and tune (stock obvoiusly) to swap in just to get the inspection and then put back to your normal setup? How much could a plain stock exhaust run you, really? I mean, who the hell wants'em? You could probably go to a couple junkyards and find all the pieces for a good price. Then tune it to pass and save that tune just like the exhaust for the next time your inspection is due. Sounds like alot of work but, Not really that much money if your just running heads, cam, and simple bolt ons.

All you guys joking about getting the 'hook-up' I hope are aware of the serious implications there... My question though is, would it technically be illegal to test somebodies work around just to see if it will pass whatever standards are pushed??? Like, will one of you guys working at a shop be able to just run the test unoffically for us? haha...

Plus, this is 2009 we're talking about... thats over 2 years away,... I'm sure there will be plenty of ideas and work-arounds if this really goes into effect.

I wonder if st. johns county will be in there... No major cities here really, and alot of redneck-ville in the west part of the county.

I will simply do what i did wehn emissions were still legal...tip the man. None of my cars had cats and were totally enviornment un-friendly as per their test. Money moves the world.

this is why I kept my stock shit, looks like I will put it on only if they say something about it, if not I won't change. If I would have to change, the stock crap would only be on for a day.

Holy Caps Lock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

U KNOW ITS GONNA BE FUNNY WHEN I GO FOR MY FIRST EMSSIONS TEST AND THE GUY FIRES UP THE T\A...

I MEAN ON A COLD START THE FUCKING THING SPITS A UNBURNT FUEL OUT THE BACK, I MEAN YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET YOUR FEET A LITTLE DIRTY BY STANDING MY THE EXAUST. I DONT SEE ANYONE BELIEVEING THAT MY CAR IS LEGAL

BUT I GUESS IN THEORY IF THEY EVER DID A SNIFFER TEST IN FL COULDENT YOU JUST GO INTO HP TUNERS AND TEMPORALLY SET YOUR TARGET AFR TO SOMETHING REDICULOUSLY LEAN

Whats the law say about older cars? Are they exempt?

Whats the law say about older cars? Are they exempt?

Which really doesn't make sense since these are the cars that you see smokin up the roads while driving.

Which really doesn't make sense since these are the cars that you see smokin up the roads while driving.

true however they didnt come with cats from the factory so I dont see how the state can make you have them.

true however they didnt come with cats from the factory so I dont see how the state can make you have them.

From what it sounds like, if they are pre- OBDII, they are exempt

Whats the law say about older cars? Are they exempt?

If is anything like the law in Nevada then they do a sniffer and OBDII testing and if your car is over 25 years old you are exempt. I guess they test for different things on the older cars that don't have OBDII

If this does go through is it okay to get rid of the AIR system? I just cant decide if I should get race headers or not, and I have seen those hook up tubes from the headers break off and I dont want to deal with that.

get rid of that crap along with the cats.