Brandon Smith

is there anyway to put a fourth gens brakes on a first gen. thanks in advance

ss496

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pm rs67camarovette....hes in the process of making all the brackets to use c5 brakes, and to use 4th gen brakes on first gen spindles

67RSCamaroVette

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the ls1 rear brakes bolt right up to the '67 axle tubes, you just need to run your e-brake and lines, of course. 68-69 you have to run two, left side backing plates, as the staggered shocks get in the way.

for the front, to run c5 or ls1 brakes, you need the drum hub, with the rotor over it, and a caliper bracket to hold the caliper. that's it. theres a guy on pro-touring.com that sells the brackets, laser cut, for $50, last time I checked.

67RSCamaroVette

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oh, and you can get a nice one from speedtech, too. i forget who the guy on pro-touring.com who did it was.

here's the link

http://www.speedtech-performance.com...prod/prd51.htm

billscamaros

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is there a thread on this detailing the specific parts required for swapping 4th gen disc brakes onto a 1st gen drum brake equipped 10 bolt ?? i would need to replace the 15 inch wheels with 16 inch wheels?

G-Body

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There is probably a thread about it on the www.pro-touring.com forum, but I am not really sure. Try searching LS1 Brakes on there. You should upgrade your wheels to 16`s. The 15`s will not clear, but a lot of the 4th gen guys grind the caliper for clearance so they can run 15`s at the strip, But be VERY careful if you grind the caliper I have seen people grind them too much and then the caliper breaks apart when they hit the brakes.

billscamaros

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thanks. i'll poke around on pro-touring a bit. i would pass on grinding the rotors down a bit; don't care for that idea much.

chrisp3

They are not grinding the rotors they are grinding on the callipers as G-Body said. And what they are doing is grinding down some of the cooling fins that wrap around the vette calliper in order to clear their wheel.

You will need to grind down (about 1/8") the front hubs, so the ls1 rotors fit over them. But thats no big deal at all.

Here are just a few links to give you a better understanding of what exactly goes on...These guys can explain it a whole lot better than i can.

Good info here,
http://www.geocities.com/torkerscamaro/torker.html

This is David Pozzi's site. Tons of info and templates for the front callipers.
http://www.pozziracing.com/12_corvet...es_on_fgen.htm

This is Jan Suhr's site. He's on this forum(LS1 tech) and he has a ton of info on the swap both front and rear, and a template for the callipers. A very cool car in Sweden!!!
http://www.protouring.se/

Ls1 calliper rebuild, in case you need it!
http://installuniversity.com/install...sity/index.htm

The super cheap way,junk yard hunting for the old stuff...but it works.
http://www.oldengine.org/unfaq/leadfoot/discs.htm

Hope this helps you, it helped me.

Chris P.

76LS1BIRD

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I made these form the temp on pozziracing site.
They are 1/4" & for the LS1 brakes . Dale

chrisp3

O, and you will probably want a set of these Cross Drilled Brake Lines. I hear they work excellent!!




you can get them at Kale Co Auto.

Here is there web site, and there are a lot of other great products that they sell, check it out!!
http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main...&products_id=1

Tri5Nerd

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Do you have the demension of the templet that you use, or better yet, do you have a copy of the templet you can post?

Thanks

svt

http://www.pozziracing.com/12_corvet...es_on_fgen.htm

Tri5Nerd

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Thanks for the info, but I don't see the dimension of the template on the pages.

chrisp3

Here are the ones I have found. I believe two of them are for the ls1 brakes (different styles) and the other is for the C4 brakes.
Hope this helps!

BTW, did anybody understand the brakeline pics I posted
Chris P.

Tri5Nerd

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Thanks for posting the templates. This is what I needed.

76LS1BIRD

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I made mine with 11g first, to check the fit,
then went with the 1/4 matl.. Someware I have
a spare set of these. Dale

67RSCamaroVette

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how do you make them work? space them out with washers? i calculated that you need 1/2" thick material or something along those lines.

chrisp3

They should be made from 1/4 plate. On a first gen., you will need to grind down the top boss on the spindle 1/8'' in order to keep the caliper straight(vertical). Or you could just purchase the ones that are already machined for you like Speed Tech or Touring Classics version.

Did ya' look at Jan Suhr's site??? www.protouring.se
When you get there go to "Downloads". He has a very professional pdf of how he made his c4 brakes work. Defiantly worth reading!!!

jannes_z-28

Thanks for the credits.

Just to point out that the brakes I used are LT1s, Corvette C4 and Camaro LT1 89-93.

For the LS1 front calipers there is no difference as I understand with the brackets. For the rearbrakes the LS1 are a better option with the small parking brake drums. The LT1 parking brake sucks.

Jan