Street Racing & Kill Stories - 700+rwhp Viper VS. My Sprayed Mach1

This was the first race I have gotten into since I put a built shortblock in my car and I also put a completely different Nitrous set up on it too, but I still have the stock heads and cams that are came in the car.. I was spraying a 250 shot and the Viper has a 522CI Stroker motor, Heads, Cams, ETC. Owner said it put down around 720rwhp on motor.. He also has a 250 shot but didn't use it. Here is the vid. We started at around a 55 roll till about 130 mph where I let out due to running out of gears.. I have 4.10's.. I pulled a little bit untill I ran out of gear and let off then he flys past me.. Damn I wish I had my 3.73's back in...

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Wow...pretty strong set of cars in that video...thanks for sharing!

wow both nice cars. I know one of you all ran one of the bikes didn't ya? :)

wow. i remember reading about your car. i dont really like mustangs but damn your is fast as shit, so i got to give props where its due
+1

nice kill, that guy needs to improve his driver mod though he drops every time he tries to shift and looks like hes about to bottom out

Nice run Dan!

Good Race. Great Video. I'd be happy if i was you. Try him again with heads,cam and 3.73 or taller gears................all it takes is money right??

Good Race. Great Video. I'd be happy if i was you. Try him again with heads,cam and 3.73 or taller gears................all it takes is money right??
Yeah, untill he sprays me with that 250 shot of his.. LOL

man both of those cars move out fast !! Looks like your mach is really quick :)

was that brian's (bdj's) old viper?

nice pull bro.

was that brian's (bdj's) old viper?

nice pull bro.
yep..

Nice run! What kind of numbers do you put down? I can't imagine too much N/A, if you are on the stock heads/cams. Any ideas what you put down with the nitrous as well?

Nice run! What kind of numbers do you put down? I can't imagine too much N/A, if you are on the stock heads/cams. Any ideas what you put down with the nitrous as well?On the 200 shot it put down 530rwhp & 565rwtq.. We ran out of N20 on the 250 shot so I really don't know for sure.. I would figure around 570 or so and over 600rwtq..

So why was the race so close if he has 150whp more than you? Nice run anyway.

So why was the race so close if he has 150whp more than you? Nice run anyway.
Because this Mach1 hauls major azz..

So why was the race so close if he has 150whp more than you? Nice run anyway.

Thats what I was thinking. However, the viper owner could have been BS'ing. It was from a roll, so his suspension/launch advantage isn't going to be an issue, so who knows what the deal is. Regardless it was a damn good race, though I doubt the viper had as much power as advertised.

Nice run Dan & you're damn lucky to ran him buddy & got it on vid :)

peace

Thats what I was thinking. However, the viper owner could have been BS'ing. It was from a roll, so his suspension/launch advantage isn't going to be an issue, so who knows what the deal is. Regardless it was a damn good race, though I doubt the viper had as much power as advertised.
I know the old owner of the viper and it put down 650rwhp when he had it. There is no telling what the new owner have done to it.. But I do no it was making at least 650rwhp but the new ower said he put down over 700 so I'm just going by what he said..

I know the old owner of the viper and it put down 650rwhp when he had it. There is no telling what the new owner have done to it.. But I do no it was making at least 650rwhp but the new ower said he put down over 700 so I'm just going by what he said..
Nice vid and badass mach! Is your car full weight? Not doubting the kill, but a viper with 650whp and weighing less should of really walked away :confused: . Also the viper could have been missing the driver mod? Either way, good kill and nice mach :devil: .

Yes my Mach is alot lighter then a normal Mach1.. My race weight is around 3100lbs but I wasn't at race weight. I still had all my seats in and heavy rims.. on..both cars had a passenger too..

Nice vid and badass mach! Is your car full weight? Not doubting the kill, but a viper with 650whp and weighing less should of really walked away :confused: . Also the viper could have been missing the driver mod? Either way, good kill and nice mach :devil: .
The Viper Owner and driver use to own and drive an Outlaw drag car so I doubt it was a driver mod..

Sure makes a huge difference when you put your car on a diet.

Awesome run I take it he would not run from a dig?. I have not had any good runs like this yet. None of my friends will run me with me on nitrous, but all day long with me on the motor only. Even my 03-04 Cobra friends. Makes me wish sometimes I never got nitrous :jest: .

Nice run. Those are two bad ass cars

dans car runs for sure... im not so sure that the viper has the "claimed" :lurk: power or not.. A cam only, 100 shot TA ran door to door with him as well, he had 495 rwhp... anything can happen on the street though... so who knows.. deff badass though to see that viper rip... but big Dan for the win!!

dans car runs for sure... im not so sure that the viper has the "claimed" :lurk: power or not.. A cam only, 100 shot TA ran door to door with him as well, he had 495 rwhp... anything can happen on the street though... so who knows.. deff badass though to see that viper rip... but big Dan for the win!!
I don't no for sure what the Viper put down now but back when Brian Owned it, it did put down 650rwhp..

I don't no for sure what the Viper put down now but back when Brian Owned it, it did put down 650rwhp..

I'd find it hard to believe with 720RWHP, but I can see it happening with the viper having 650 to the wheels. The Viper is going to weigh more, and I bet you have quite the gearing advantage. As has been said, anything can happen on the street. I'm really curious if the Viper really had said power though.

I don't no for sure what the Viper put down now but back when Brian Owned it, it did put down 650rwhp..


brian had told me 565... :jest:

brian had told me 565... :jest:
Brian told me him self a while back 650rwhp.. I raced him a few months ago when he had it on my old set up and he beat me bad.

then he must have sprayed.

i ran him...see sig.
after the run he patted me on the back and said "nice vette dude"...
it was the single best race i ever had in my vette.
i eeked him out..barely.
dead even, then everytime he had to shift he slipped back...then started to creep back up....

then a week later i heard he told EVERYBODY he handed me my azz..

i went fu_kin lookin for him...hahah

granted, if he would have sprayed on me i would have been totally toast.
only reason i eeked by was because he couldnt shift worth a f'k...hahahaha...

EDIT>>> another thing....he would NEVER run from a hook...always had to have the 80mph roll.. :eyes:

my ride shined from a hook..
Same here man. Was it Brian or Mike Kelly that you ran..Brian was the old owner Mike is the new owner of it.. I wish we could have gone from a dig but he didn't want to and he wouldn't even slow down low enough for me to get into 2nd gear but he was. I started at 3K in 3rd gear, luckly that big shot makes up for the low rpm.. I think that Viper would get drug by my car from a dig..

So your Vette ran mid 10's? That is what I think my car should run..

Nice Vid Dan......

Nice vid..good race man.

noticed alot of traffic in that video

nice run man, and I love your mach 1, its looks like it hauls ass!

Ive never heard of a 522ci Viper laying down 720rwhp NA....Nice run but he likely puts out around 575 - 600 without the good stuff....

Ive never heard of a 522ci Viper laying down 720rwhp NA....Nice run but he likely puts out around 575 - 600 without the good stuff....
I would think alot more then that.. I have seen 408 LSX cars put down 575-600.. Like I said the old owner said it put down 650rwhp, the new owner said 700+rwhp so I am just going by what he said..

i ran that viper with my maro. i didnt know he had heads. i knew he had a cam with nitrous in it. but he only made 700 on the N20. i raced him and he said he made 550 on motor and 700 with the juice. i could be wrong, but he told a lot of people this.

i ran that viper with my maro. i didnt know he had heads. i knew he had a cam with nitrous in it. but he only made 700 on the N20. i raced him and he said he made 550 on motor and 700 with the juice. i could be wrong, but he told a lot of people this.
The new owner of it said he was putting down 700rwhp and over 900rwhp on the 250 shot.. When Brian had it he said 650 rwhp on motor and upper 700 range on the 100 shot Brian had.. 550rwhp would be very weak for a 522CI stroker H/C/I bolt on Viper.. This is what both owners have told me personally not some B.S I heard from someone's brother's sister's dog's friend.. I'm stating what the old Owner told me and the new Owner told me.. I raced it when Brian had it when I only had a 150 shot about 4 months or so ago and he ran me on motor with me on the N20 and he only put about 1.5-2 cars on me then. My car is making about 150rwhp more now then it was then so that car is alot stronger now then it was back then.. So I know it is making more power..

Nice run Dan and you have a fast azz Mach.

To those that mentioned the Viper weighs less...the Gen 3 Vipers weigh and estimated 3380#. They are not as light as most think.

Nice kill, the faster you go the bigger the advantage for the viper. the op said he had 4.10, assuming the viper had the stock 3.07's that is alot of gear to pull, even w/ 522 cubes.

I find it hard to beleave that the Viper owner is putting down any were near 720 rwhp with those mods...

A 522 CI stoker isnt really that big of a deal....Elspecially considering that the bone stock engine is a 488 CI...

Id think this guy is 550 rwhp at the lowest and 650 whp at the highest...Im guessing right around 600 rwhp NA and then 800 rwhp with the NOS...


Do you really think a 550 rwhp mach1 would run door to door with a 720 rwhp NA Viper...

That Viper would be putting down 500 rwhp at only 3000 rpm's...

I was amazed when i saw that my bone stock viper hit 300 rwhp at only 3000 rpm's...

As well that 720 rwhp Vper wpould be 900-1000 rwt..

This guy just isnt telling you the hole story..Or more apropiety he is around 720 crank HP all engine...

600 rwhp plus 15% drive train loss would put him at 690 crank HP...So maybe he's 615 rwhp NA equaling out to 720 crank HP...


With him around 600 rwhp and being a little lazy on the stick I can see you pulling him with 550 rwhp...

But man if he had 720 rwhp he could probaly miss a gear and still end up winning...

Ive got a buddy with a 10 pound roe supercharger as well as methanol injection and he only dyno's 720 rwhp on his GTS....But his car runs 9.9's at 140 mph...

as far as the weights go....

rt 10...3380 pounds

GTS....3420 pounds

mach1...3370 pounds

So I dont think weight would have played any factors in this race??????

Good runs...Weather thgis guy is pushin 550 rwhp or 720 rwhp. A wins a win and eighter way thats still pretty prestigous for a mustang.

I find it hard to beleave that the Viper owner is putting down any were near 720 rwhp with those mods...

A 522 CI stoker isnt really that big of a deal....Elspecially considering that the bone stock engine is a 488 CI...

Id think this guy is 550 rwhp at the lowest and 650 whp at the highest...Im guessing right around 600 rwhp NA and then 800 rwhp with the NOS...


Do you really think a 550 rwhp mach1 would run door to door with a 720 rwhp NA Viper...

That Viper would be putting down 500 rwhp at only 3000 rpm's...

I was amazed when i saw that my bone stock viper hit 300 rwhp at only 3000 rpm's...

As well that 720 rwhp Vper wpould be 900-1000 rwt..

This guy just isnt telling you the hole story..Or more apropiety he is around 720 crank HP all engine...

600 rwhp plus 15% drive train loss would put him at 690 crank HP...So maybe he's 615 rwhp NA equaling out to 720 crank HP...


With him around 600 rwhp and being a little lazy on the stick I can see you pulling him with 550 rwhp...

But man if he had 720 rwhp he could probaly miss a gear and still end up winning...

Ive got a buddy with a 10 pound roe supercharger as well as methanol injection and he only dyno's 720 rwhp on his GTS....But his car runs 9.9's at 140 mph...

as far as the weights go....

rt 10...3380 pounds

GTS....3420 pounds

mach1...3370 pounds

So I dont think weight would have played any factors in this race??????

Good runs...Weather thgis guy is pushin 550 rwhp or 720 rwhp. A wins a win and eighter way thats still pretty prestigous for a mustang.I don't know what type of power my car is putting down on the 250 pills, on the 200 it did 530rwhp.. I would figure around 580 rwhp, but I never got to dyno it, ran out of N20. My Mach1 doesn't weigh 3370lbs it weighs in around 3250 with driver.. It seems that everyone has a buddy that has something.. I am telling you what the Owner told me.. I know the old owner of this viper and he said it put down 650rwhp N/A when he had it. The guy that owns it now is big time into racing and use to own and drive an Outlaw Drag car he does have the money, and had the motor built.. I don' t know what is all in it since it isn't my car, just what he told me.. So either way 650 or 700 it doesn't matter I was still right there side by side with him from a roll at that..

600 rwhp plus 15% drive train loss would put him at 690 crank HP...So maybe he's 615 rwhp NA equaling out to 720 crank HP...


as far as the weights go....

rt 10...3380 pounds

GTS....3420 pounds

mach1...3370 pounds

So I dont think weight would have played any factors in this race??????

Good runs...Weather thgis guy is pushin 550 rwhp or 720 rwhp. A wins a win and eighter way thats still pretty prestigous for a mustang.
For someone with a long post to be informative...you should really double check your posts before doing so...

#1) YOU DO NOT ADD drivetrain loss. Why does everyone do that? Adding to a NET figure DOES NOT give you the gross. The find RWHP, you multiply from Crank numbers. Soooo, to find Gross from Net, you DIVIDE. Very basic (7th grade math)....at 600RWHP and a 15% loss, he would be at 705.88 FWHP.

#2) Try reading all the posts. his car's RACE weight was ~3100 pounds.

#3) 4.10s vs. ~3.08 gears.


:judge: :bang:

Nice runs man VERY NICE.

3250lb raceweight+ close to 600rwhp=one fast mofo

congrats dan!!

The new owner of it said he was putting down 700rwhp and over 900rwhp on the 250 shot.. When Brian had it he said 650 rwhp on motor and upper 700 range on the 100 shot Brian had.. 550rwhp would be very weak for a 522CI stroker H/C/I bolt on Viper.. This is what both owners have told me personally not some B.S I heard from someone's brother's sister's dog's friend.. I'm stating what the old Owner told me and the new Owner told me.. I raced it when Brian had it when I only had a 150 shot about 4 months or so ago and he ran me on motor with me on the N20 and he only put about 1.5-2 cars on me then. My car is making about 150rwhp more now then it was then so that car is alot stronger now then it was back then.. So I know it is making more power..

im perfectly aware of what he told you. i ran it when brian had it. i surely dont remeber him telling me that it was a H/C/I viper. just cam, headers and the juice. but things change in 3 months. he killed me from a 60. he had about 3 cars on me at about 120. well, i hope your new set-up will put something on the new owner even though he has a 250 shot waiting. some day, someday he will go down.

For someone with a long post to be informative...you should really double check your posts before doing so...

#1) YOU DO NOT ADD drivetrain loss. Why does everyone do that? Adding to a NET figure DOES NOT give you the gross. The find RWHP, you multiply from Crank numbers. Soooo, to find Gross from Net, you DIVIDE. Very basic (7th grade math)....at 600RWHP and a 15% loss, he would be at 705.88 FWHP.

#2) Try reading all the posts. his car's RACE weight was ~3100 pounds.

#3) 4.10s vs. ~3.08 gears.


:judge: :bang:

If youre saying that is what he was at when he raced then youre wrong. He said his race weight was 3100 but he had heavy rims, seats and a passenger for the race...but anyways good run and love the color :chug:

If youre saying that is what he was at when he raced then youre wrong. He said his race weight was 3100 but he had heavy rims, seats and a passenger for the race...but anyways good run and love the color :chug:


I realize that after I posted....I stand corrected.

What ever the weight or rwhp of either car! Awesome race, your car sounds great and certainly goes hard. :hail:

That is not a stroker motor in that car...It dont make over 600rwhp.
Daniel over at SQR dynoed the car when they were working on it a month ago.
Everyone knows Mike Kelly is full of shit.

Sorry Dan but you didnt beat a 700 rwhp car.
What you raced was a car that weighs slightly more then you and makes right at 600rw.Thats why the race was so close.

It seems that everyone has a buddy that has something....

:jest: Are you just now figuring that one out Dan? Thats the essence of Internet racing, everyone knows someone thats got something better.

That is not a stroker motor in that car...It dont make over 600rwhp.
Daniel over at SQR dynoed the car when they were working on it a month ago.
Everyone knows Mike Kelly is full of shit.

Sorry Dan but you didnt beat a 700 rwhp car.
What you raced was a car that weighs slightly more then you and makes right at 600rw.Thats why the race was so close.
Well Daniel would know the right rwhp.. So Hell 600rwhp Viper then.. That still isn't too bad at all.. Thanks for clearing up the RWHP of the Viper Sam...So there now we know the owner was full of shit on the amount of power it had.. But still it was a very good race..

Are you still on the stock engine or did you have a stroker engine built? Your car hauls ass for sure.

Well Daniel would know the right rwhp.. So Hell 600rwhp Viper then.. That still isn't too bad at all.. Thanks for clearing up the RWHP of the Viper Sam...So there now we know the owner was full of shit on the amount of power it had.. But still it was a very good race..

Rubbing paint with a 600rwhp Viper is still quite a fucking accomplishment for a ford. ;) Congrats....

As for the 408 LS engines making 550 and more....that just shows you how good the LSX series of engines/heads really are....

Are you still on the stock engine or did you have a stroker engine built? Your car hauls ass for sure.
Not a stroker, Just a built shortblock .020 over bore..

This was the first race I have gotten into since I put a built shortblock in my car and I also put a completely different Nitrous set up on it too, but I still have the stock heads and cams that are came in the car.. I was spraying a 250 shot and the Viper has a 522CI Stroker motor, Heads, Cams, ETC. Owner said it put down around 720rwhp on motor.. He also has a 250 shot but didn't use it. Here is the vid. We started at around a 55 roll till about 130 mph where I let out due to running out of gears.. I have 4.10's.. I pulled a little bit untill I ran out of gear and let off then he flys past me.. Damn I wish I had my 3.73's back in...

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Nice video....

That sure does look ALOT like florida.

I had to watch it a couple of times to catch the signs.

Rubbing paint with a 600rwhp Viper is still quite a fucking accomplishment for a ford. ;) Congrats....

As for the 408 LS engines making 550 and more....that just shows you how good the LSX series of engines/heads really are....


Yea I completely agree with this guy....

Most people on this site as well the mustang boards would be happy to just be able to beat a stock GTS..

They have ran 11.5 at 120 mph by the best drivers 100% bone stock..As well as numerous magazine times of 11.9-12.3 at 117-120 mph...

But your on a totaly different level from us average guys .....Beating a 600 rwhp tourquey V10 is quite a feat...

Beating a 600 rwhp Supra or other car that is PREDOMIMENTLY boost dependent is no were near as prestigous as pulling a NA 600 rwhp car...Since you can often easily get the jump on these high rwhp boosted cars while their still searching for boost...

But the viper has no excuses...His power was their the instant he put his foot down, and you still came out on top...

Well Done...And maybe there will be a hint of fear in my heart the next time I see a gray Mach1

The Viper Owner and driver use to own and drive an Outlaw drag car so I doubt it was a driver mod..


Was the car an autommatic?....lol.

Just watched the video, again. Dude in the viper could without a doubt,...shift ALOT faster. Like, alot faster. Good for you,....bad for him. Sounds like either his clutch spun in HIGH gear for a moment, or he rhode the clutch....or maybe he had some wheel spin(if he really is making over 700rwhp).

Wacth the video again...you'll hear what I hear.

Rubbing paint with a 600rwhp Viper is still quite a fucking accomplishment for a ford. ;) Congrats....

As for the 408 LS engines making 550 and more....that just shows you how good the LSX series of engines/heads really are....



Amen.

Was the car an autommatic?....lol.

Just watched the video, again. Dude in the viper could without a doubt,...shift ALOT faster. Like, alot faster. Good for you,....bad for him. Sounds like either his clutch spun in HIGH gear for a moment, or he rhode the clutch....or maybe he had some wheel spin(if he really is making over 700rwhp).

Wacth the video again...you'll hear what I hear.

why am I not surprised to hear a vette owner trash the vid and make excuses? And to think, I was actually starting to like some vette owners.

I watched the vid again.......several times. I will agree that maybe he couls have shifted faster. but you word it like he is 'cruse shiftin'. WHat they did (on a public highway) was stupid, but to speed shift a 600 (or 700) RWHP car in traffic, is just asking for trouble. Try and be intelligent and realize breakin' loose in that situation would have been VERY bad. So that leaves one option......the driver needs to 'granny' shift faster..which I agreed with.

BTW - it was only his first shift that was 'horrible'. His second one was pretty good.

Why would a vette owner make excuses for a Viper????

Vipers are the vettes enemy while the mustang is for the f body's....

V series tech is one of the most hard core racers on this site and was simply calling it like he saw it...

Why would a vette owner make excuses for a Viper????

Vipers are the vettes enemy while the mustang is for the f body's....

V series tech is one of the most hard core racers on this site and was simply calling it like he saw it...
Hard core racer does not mean.......perfection. (no offense vseries).

The race is not proof enough?....that was my point.

And if it was a 'truthful' post, he would have realized..sure quicker shifts could have been made, but not quick enough to make a hell of alot of difference without speed shifting..which would have been utterly DUMB on public highways. and as I stated, the first shift from the viper was the bad one.....the last one was pretty good.

As for domestics vs. somestics...i am well aware of who is rivaled with who. But if you think vette guys are 'generally' ok with stangs and only rival with vipers (aside form the terminator) than you are soarly mistaken.....but as I said....generally. There are always exceptions.

BTW - did you get that math problem figured out?

[QUOTE]why am I not surprised to hear a vette owner trash the vid and make excuses? And to think, I was actually starting to like some vette owners.

Don't generalize bro. If you don't like vette owners or LS1-owners perhaps you're hanging out on the wrong board. It's not you driving the Viper so I don't know why you care if V-Series feels his skills are lacking. The Vipers driving may seem on par to you cause we will always compare it to our own but, to Jamie, it's not so good.


What gear was the Viper in from the punch? 3rd also?

Nice kill Dan. Must of felt good to run with that thing.

Awesome vid and great race! :cheers:

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What gear was the Viper in from the punch? 3rd also?

Nice kill Dan. Must of felt good to run with that thing.After lissening to the vid I believe he was in 2nd I was in 3rd and he just shifted to 4th for a few seconds when I shut down..

But if you think vette guys are 'generally' ok with stangs and only rival with vipers (aside form the terminator) than you are soarly mistaken

I think what Killem is trying to say is that vette owners are shooting for viper owners because stock they are a couple tenths faster depending on the year. I don't know about you guys but nothing gets me more juiced then when I'm about to run what's accpeted as the faster car. I'm going to be much more excited about beating a stock SRT-10 than a 500rwhp Cobra. Even if the Cobra would outrun the Viper. That's just way it is. I'm always looking for something higher in the pecking order because I think we all want to the leave the opponent with the 'WTF just happened' look on his face.

I'm always looking for something higher in the pecking order because I think we all want to the leave the opponent with the 'WTF just happened' look on his face.

Damn straight!!! I love that WTF look they give ya.

On the 200 shot it put down 530rwhp & 565rwtq.. We ran out of N20 on the 250 shot so I really don't know for sure.. I would figure around 570 or so and over 600rwtq..

Great numbers. that thing is a beast!!!

I think what Killem is trying to say is that vette owners are shooting for viper owners because stock they are a couple tenths faster depending on the year. I don't know about you guys but nothing gets me more juiced then when I'm about to run what's accpeted as the faster car. I'm going to be much more excited about beating a stock SRT-10 than a 500rwhp Cobra. Even if the Cobra would outrun the Viper. That's just way it is. I'm always looking for something higher in the pecking order because I think we all want to the leave the opponent with the 'WTF just happened' look on his face.



exactly....

A COBRA LOVES IT WHEN HE CAN PULL A STOCK C5Z06 CAS THE COBRA AVERAGES A 12.8 VRS THE Z06'S 12.4..

AND LIKE WISE A C5Z06 LOVES IT WHEN HE CAN PULL A VIPER CAS THE VIPER AVERAGES A 12.1 ( GEN 2 AND GEN 3) VRS THE C5Z06'S 12.4..

AND THEN THE GEN 2 OR 3 VIPER LOVES IT WHEN HE CAN PULL A C6Z06 CAS THE C6Z06 AVERAGTES 11.7 VRS THE GEN 2 OR 3 VIPERS 12.1....


But the thing with the mustang is that even though it's only 4 tenths behind the C5Z06 or 3 tenths ahead of the c5 coupe...

all vette owners will always feel that their corvette would destroy the cobra on a road course...So it's not a true enemy...Unlike the SRT 10 viper and c6Z06 that are so close on a road course it's scary...


Ive raced plenty of 400 rwhp..500 rwhp and 600 rwhp imports since Ive had my viper...But the thing is. That not one of them was rated over 300 crank HP when they were bone stock...

I would have rather raced a bone stock 405 HP C5z06 than any of those cars..

Or even more preferrable a 911Turbo or other high HP Expensive car

Wow that Viper is sexy! what wheels were on that thing!

and props to the Mustang also!

why am I not surprised to hear a vette owner trash the vid and make excuses? And to think, I was actually starting to like some vette owners.

I watched the vid again.......several times. I will agree that maybe he couls have shifted faster. but you word it like he is 'cruse shiftin'. WHat they did (on a public highway) was stupid, but to speed shift a 600 (or 700) RWHP car in traffic, is just asking for trouble. Try and be intelligent and realize breakin' loose in that situation would have been VERY bad. So that leaves one option......the driver needs to 'granny' shift faster..which I agreed with.

BTW - it was only his first shift that was 'horrible'. His second one was pretty good.



What the fuck are you talking about bitch? Like I acutally give a damm who you like, or don't like.

Dumbass. I've owned two of your prided fords before my vettes.

I was simply making a comment about the video,...regardless of the make and modles of the cars in it. The outcome of this race means nothing to me whatsoever.

If you watch the video again, rookie,...yes, in my opinion, which seems to out weigh yours if you think that viper was shifting fast.....again, in my opinion, the viper, lagged on his shifts,...and the higher gear selected by the mopar, SOMTHING DOES HAPPEN with the viper, weather it be a clutch slippage induced by the driver feathering it out slowly(rideing it), or it was some sort of a mild clutch failure.

Step off bitch. Maybe you should use speakers when watching videos...or maybe mommy doesn't let you have the volume loud enough to listen.

If the guy was an "outlaw" racer,...he is either driving an automatic, or he was having clutch issues...or he just plain sucks in the dodge. Which, honestly, after driving a viper, it's one of the EASIEST cars to bang gears on.

That said,...eat shit, and spare me with this corvette shit.

Hard core racer does not mean.......perfection. (no offense vseries).

The race is not proof enough?....that was my point.

And if it was a 'truthful' post, he would have realized..sure quicker shifts could have been made, but not quick enough to make a hell of alot of difference without speed shifting..which would have been utterly DUMB on public highways. and as I stated, the first shift from the viper was the bad one.....the last one was pretty good.

As for domestics vs. somestics...i am well aware of who is rivaled with who. But if you think vette guys are 'generally' ok with stangs and only rival with vipers (aside form the terminator) than you are soarly mistaken.....but as I said....generally. There are always exceptions.

BTW - did you get that math problem figured out?


Honestly, your lack of knowledge on this topic or anything else in the street racing section, is how do you say?......inexperienced, and should be taken as bullshit.

Reasons? Sure.

1. Perfection? Who the fuck are you talking about? Me? Who, including myself said I was perfect? I don't understand, weirdo. My knowledge on this subject overshadows yours, you can take that for what it's worth, or you can repond back with some lame comeback, either way, i'll be waiting.

2. "And if it was a 'truthful' post, he would have realized..sure quicker shifts could have been made, but not quick enough to make a hell of alot of difference without speed shifting.." What exactly are you talking about here? What, speed shifting, on a PUBLIC road? Are you kidding me. What are you worried about, a "shifting ticket"? As if the COP is gonna pull you over for shifting fast, other then the DRAG RACING you were just doing? Rookie. YOu don't know what your talking about.

For anyone that belives what I quoted this dork saying..."sure quicker shifts could have been made, but not quick enough to make a hell of alot of difference.." Don't belive that for a minute. If you wanna make EVERYTHING OUTTA YOUR CAR, YOU WILL SHIFT AS FAST AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE!!!!! It IS the difference between winners and loosers. Can't tell you how many times I should have LOST in cars that I have owned but, came out on top, due to simply shifting as fast as I could, without missing a gear.

It will make or beak you. The only way you can get around NOT shifting lightning fast, is when your making ALOT of power, therefore, you can make up the lost ground.

3.Rivals? What does ford vs chevy vs dodge have anything to do with this,...other then there different OUTPUT, different aerodynamic's, and different weights. Other then that, it's all nuts and bolts. And in the end, they are all american....and I would much rather see an american prevailing over an exotic anyday...regardless of what it was.

In the end dude, you strike me as an idiot,...you sterotype me, due to the car that I own,...and in the end, you know nothing about me, nor my roots that made me what I am today...and the car I choose to drive. I understand now, that this is far too complicated for you to understand, or even to take into consideration before you make another post directed towards me or about brand this, and brand that.

Hope this gets into your head.

Jamie

I think what Killem is trying to say is that vette owners are shooting for viper owners because stock they are a couple tenths faster depending on the year. I don't know about you guys but nothing gets me more juiced then when I'm about to run what's accpeted as the faster car. I'm going to be much more excited about beating a stock SRT-10 than a 500rwhp Cobra. Even if the Cobra would outrun the Viper. That's just way it is. I'm always looking for something higher in the pecking order because I think we all want to the leave the opponent with the 'WTF just happened' look on his face.



Couldn't have said it better.

Thats my main goal with my car....to go after exotic's,..or like you said...."the faster car"

The look they give,...is the same kind of look they'de give if he found out you where boneing they're mom.

Priceless.

I had this converstion on a local street racing site. Some dude in a fast civic, wanted to race me. I showed him no interest,,...and it got him really mad. In the end, I had to explain it to him like this, to make him understand.

example.

Say your out....with some friends(your boys)(or even some hot girlfriends you know)...you end up meeting some really hot females....your laughing, haveing a good time,...talking shit,..blah blah blah....one of your boys asks you about the race you where in the other day....with, lets say a CIVIC(regardless that it's a 600whp civic)(it's a civic).... one of the females butts in...laughing.... and says....."you raced a civic?.....and you beat him?" she says,..."isn't that whats supposed to happen?..you drive a corvette right?"

Get my point? It just doesn't have the same ring to it as..."hey babe, how you doing...I just walked a FERRARI on the way to your house." She would say..." oh my god jamie! take me now,...i'm soo wet"

Much different effect.

lmao. I'm retarded.

Do girls really get all wet when you kill another car? :jest::jest:

Im such a pimp i still get mad ass in a Taurus.:jest:

Do girls really get all wet when you kill another car? :jest::jest:

Im such a pimp i still get mad ass in a Taurus.:jest:


I just aim to get them wet period. Is a car capable of getting a female wet? Ah, without a doubt, yes. The women I have taken for a ride in my car(s)...gets a BIG SMILE on there face....followed by rough sex. Yes, battle wounds(scratches on my back from her nails beotch).

It was just an example...not some tactic. Don't get too deep into it. It's the simplest way, to put that converstion into an example. I supposed I could have switched the story for telling your 12 year old nephew the same thing....but I chose the VAGINA route. Sue me.

...and the only ass you pull in a tauras, is swamp ass. Who you kiddin?

:devil:

I It was just an example...not some tactic. Don't get too deep into it. It's the simplest way, to put that converstion into an example. I supposed I could have switched the story for telling your 12 year old nephew the same thing....but I chose the VAGINA route. Sue me.

...and the only ass you pull in a tauras, is swamp ass. Who you kiddin?

:devil:
I know it was an example, i was just messing around.:jest:

...and the only ass you pull in a tauras, is swamp ass. Who you kiddin?:devil:

:jest::jest: "Swamp Ass"

You like that ugh? Swamp ass?

lol.

We have a trainee, working between myself and another guy..he told us he hooked up with this chick..when he was waisted. What a mistake he siad it was,...he said she smelled like "swamp ass"

Kinda stuck with us,...even now I laugh at his facial expression while telling us this shit. too funny.

He also called her a swamp donkey. lmao.

You like that ugh? Swamp ass?

lol.

We have a trainee, working between myself and another guy..he told us he hooked up with this chick..when he was waisted. What a mistake he siad it was,...he said she smelled like "swamp ass"

Kinda stuck with us,...even now I laugh at his facial expression while telling us this shit. too funny.

He also called her a swamp donkey. lmao.
hahaha

Funny shit....
Nice car, Dan!

Nice race...regardless of if it was a 600 or 700hp viper. Its still pricess to be able to say you beat a modded viper.

VSeriesTech its always great reading your posts bc you are so friggin crazy and funny.

Nice race...regardless of if it was a 600 or 700hp viper. Its still pricess to be able to say you beat a modded viper.

VSeriesTech its always great reading your posts bc you are so friggin crazy and funny.


Lol. Thanks. I was dropped, several times when I was a child, if that explains anything.


:devil:

Nevermind......


I had a long reply here, but I obviously am more of a man to just leave it be. Keep thinking and assuming whatever you want......

What the fuck are you talking about bitch? Like I acutally give a damm who you like, or don't like.

Dumbass. I've owned two of your prided fords before my vettes.

I was simply making a comment about the video,...regardless of the make and modles of the cars in it. The outcome of this race means nothing to me whatsoever.

If you watch the video again, rookie,...yes, in my opinion, which seems to out weigh yours if you think that viper was shifting fast.....again, in my opinion, the viper, lagged on his shifts,...and the higher gear selected by the mopar, SOMTHING DOES HAPPEN with the viper, weather it be a clutch slippage induced by the driver feathering it out slowly(rideing it), or it was some sort of a mild clutch failure.

Step off bitch. Maybe you should use speakers when watching videos...or maybe mommy doesn't let you have the volume loud enough to listen.

If the guy was an "outlaw" racer,...he is either driving an automatic, or he was having clutch issues...or he just plain sucks in the dodge. Which, honestly, after driving a viper, it's one of the EASIEST cars to bang gears on.

That said,...eat shit, and spare me with this corvette shit.


Slight overreaction... :jest:

Sometimes short shifting is a good thing when putting down serious power...avoids overpowering the tires and inducing wheel spin.

Do girls really get all wet when you kill another car?

Im such a pimp i still get mad ass in a Taurus.
:jest: :jest:

Slight overreaction... :jest:

Sometimes short shifting is a good thing when putting down serious power...avoids overpowering the tires and inducing wheel spin.


:jest: :jest:

If that Viper isn't spnning from a punch in second at that speed. I don't think I'd be concerned about losing control on the 2-3 shift. I'm surprised that car doesn't spin much more with that kind of tq. Must have some decent tires out back.

If that Viper isn't spnning from a punch in second at that speed. I don't think I'd be concerned about losing control on the 2-3 shift. I'm surprised that car doesn't spin much more with that kind of tq. Must have some decent tires out back.

True...but that is kind of the point. He could have done the 'granny' shift to prevent losing control....that was my point to "V". Maybe I didn't word it correctly? :confused:

What the fuck are you talking about bitch? Like I acutally give a damm who you like, or don't like.

Dumbass. I've owned two of your prided fords before my vettes.

I was simply making a comment about the video,...regardless of the make and modles of the cars in it. The outcome of this race means nothing to me whatsoever.

If you watch the video again, rookie,...yes, in my opinion, which seems to out weigh yours if you think that viper was shifting fast.....again, in my opinion, the viper, lagged on his shifts,...and the higher gear selected by the mopar, SOMTHING DOES HAPPEN with the viper, weather it be a clutch slippage induced by the driver feathering it out slowly(rideing it), or it was some sort of a mild clutch failure.

Step off bitch. Maybe you should use speakers when watching videos...or maybe mommy doesn't let you have the volume loud enough to listen.

If the guy was an "outlaw" racer,...he is either driving an automatic, or he was having clutch issues...or he just plain sucks in the dodge. Which, honestly, after driving a viper, it's one of the EASIEST cars to bang gears on.

That said,...eat shit, and spare me with this corvette shit.


Agreed, something wasnt right with the viper driver, and if it was an automatic.....well...it wasnt :-)

With that set up and a 200 shot on tap he will be pushing 4 figure tourque numbers, dont race him if he sprays, he could miss every gear and still own ya.

If that Viper isn't spnning from a punch in second at that speed. I don't think I'd be concerned about losing control on the 2-3 shift. I'm surprised that car doesn't spin much more with that kind of tq. Must have some decent tires out back.


I would be, the 2 to 3 shift can be bad...really bad.

They have 335's, I just fitted 355's and we will see how they hook when this snow is gone.

I would be, the 2 to 3 shift can be bad...really bad.

They have 335's, I just fitted 355's and we will see how they hook when this snow is gone.

Well my car has maybe 450-460rwhp and it will roast the stock F1's from a 45 punch. That Viper has much more power and trq than me and it didn't look like it had any real traction issues at all. I would not be afraid to shift that car hard into 3rd on concrete based on what I witnessed in that vid. I've driven a stock GTS and it is very well behaved on good pavement even on the 1-2 shift let alone 2-3. They actually seem easier to drag than my Z.

Nevermind......


I had a long reply here, but I obviously am more of a man to just leave it be. Keep thinking and assuming whatever you want......



Good idea.

My assumption has been made up since your first response.

Slight overreaction... :jest:

Sometimes short shifting is a good thing when putting down serious power...avoids overpowering the tires and inducing wheel spin.


:jest: :jest:


I always over react dude. I'm a hit first, ask questions later type of dude.

I am well aware of a car, that MAY not have to powershift due to haveing an abumdance of power. I thought I brought that out in one of my previous posts. Matter of fact, I know I did.

You obviously may not be able to power/speed shift all the time but, thats an obvious statement. Or, common sense.

If that Viper isn't spnning from a punch in second at that speed. I don't think I'd be concerned about losing control on the 2-3 shift. I'm surprised that car doesn't spin much more with that kind of tq. Must have some decent tires out back.


Belive it or not bro, vipers are pretty easy to launch/walk outta the hole. Even with my buddies 19's(stock ACR with HRE's and a cold air)....I still have tree'd some badass cars on a tire when I was on show boaters..

True...but that is kind of the point. He could have done the 'granny' shift to prevent losing control....that was my point to "V". Maybe I didn't word it correctly? :confused:


No, I don't think you did at all. I don't think that was your point either but, nice try.

Agreed, something wasnt right with the viper driver, and if it was an automatic.....well...it wasnt :-)

With that set up and a 200 shot on tap he will be pushing 4 figure tourque numbers, dont race him if he sprays, he could miss every gear and still own ya.



Thank you 9 pound, 7 ounce baby jesus. Glad to see someone agree's with what was on the video.

Well my car has maybe 450-460rwhp and it will roast the stock F1's from a 45 punch. That Viper has much more power and trq than me and it didn't look like it had any real traction issues at all. I would not be afraid to shift that car hard into 3rd on concrete based on what I witnessed in that vid. I've driven a stock GTS and it is very well behaved on good pavement even on the 1-2 shift let alone 2-3. They actually seem easier to drag than my Z.




The first day I drove a Z06, which was my cousins brand new 2002 Z06,...I also drove my buddies, for the first time, 2000 ACR viper. Wow, what a day that was. I think after a night of south beach clubbing(years back) it was a sunny sunday morning. We found a side road, really empty, and they let me take both cars for a spin. Lets just say, in the viper, I was staright as an arrow, launching hard and everything. It just stayed straight, and by my third launch attempt, I had the car nailed to a T. It had soo much torque, I didn't need to over whelm the car with more RPM. Just a nice slip of the clutch, and your off.


The Z...well....that was a much different ride. I think the first shift I made in that car, was on washington ave,.....and it was a 1-2 powershift. That bitch was ALL OVER THE PLACE. It made all it's power soo, different, with the TACH climbing. Unlike the viper, which just chugged through every gear. I didn''t even know I had to shift already in the viper, every time I looked down, it was time to shift. I wasn't used to that, owning a modular cobra at the time.

Anyways, completely different vehicles. The viper, atleast that viper, is easy to drive. The vettes, seem to require some piloting skills. Even stock.

That, was a really fun day. We where single file for a 30 minute, run from the beach, to casa romeo's in davie. My cobra, my cousins vette, and my boys viper. Fun, fun times.

Sorry for the flashback. :bang:

No, I don't think you did at all. I don't think that was your point either but, nice try.
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You are such a panzy....mommy really took too long to stop nursing you didn't she? She apparently didn't get the memo that third graders are provided milk at school and her 'pump' didn't need to go into OVERTIME.

Grow up, you loser......LIKE I said...Typical vette owner. Egotistical and PATHETIC.

Leave the dumbass pictures at LS2.com please. Thanks - unit. :cool:

I always over react dude. I'm a hit first, ask questions later type of dude.

I am well aware of a car, that MAY not have to powershift due to haveing an abumdance of power. I thought I brought that out in one of my previous posts. Matter of fact, I know I did.

You obviously may not be able to power/speed shift all the time but, thats an obvious statement. Or, common sense.

Short shifting to prevent wheel spin will help you go faster...not just prevent loss of control. Common sense is rare these days...

Wow dude, your an expert bro. :barf:

The first day I drove a Z06, which was my cousins brand new 2002 Z06,...I also drove my buddies, for the first time, 2000 ACR viper. Wow, what a day that was. I think after a night of south beach clubbing(years back) it was a sunny sunday morning. We found a side road, really empty, and they let me take both cars for a spin. Lets just say, in the viper, I was staright as an arrow, launching hard and everything. It just stayed straight, and by my third launch attempt, I had the car nailed to a T. It had soo much torque, I didn't need to over whelm the car with more RPM. Just a nice slip of the clutch, and your off.


The Z...well....that was a much different ride. I think the first shift I made in that car, was on washington ave,.....and it was a 1-2 powershift. That bitch was ALL OVER THE PLACE. It made all it's power soo, different, with the TACH climbing. Unlike the viper, which just chugged through every gear. I didn''t even know I had to shift already in the viper, every time I looked down, it was time to shift. I wasn't used to that, owning a modular cobra at the time.

Anyways, completely different vehicles. The viper, atleast that viper, is easy to drive. The vettes, seem to require some piloting skills. Even stock.

That, was a really fun day. We where single file for a 30 minute, run from the beach, to casa romeo's in davie. My cobra, my cousins vette, and my boys viper. Fun, fun times.

Sorry for the flashback. :bang:

I agree 100% V-Series. Weird that the Viper seems easier to drive fast in a sraight line but more difficult around a track. I've never tried taking one through turns, but this is what I hear. Competetive Mode in the Z makes you seem like a better driver I guess.

one). Viper (:angel: ) races Mach 1 (:bat_angel).

two). Viper (aka God, :angel: ) seems to get pulled on by Mach 1 (:bat_angel, Satan).

three). Viper (bka God, :angel: ) is saved by the slow shifting excuse (bka S.S.E. :drive: ).

four). Upon further review it is obvious the Mach (:bat_angel , aka Applegate) pulled on the Viper (God, :angel: ) and the Mach is doing :thefinger at all disbelievers.

This is what I got from alot of the posts (Gay, :gay: ).

The next person to post some ridiculously childish stuff will be banned.

Have a nice day. :)

The next person to post some ridiculously childish stuff will be banned.

Have a nice day. :)

Soddy.... :cry: :bang: .

The next person to post some ridiculously childish stuff will be banned.

Have a nice day. :)

AWESOME



More stupid ass pictures removed!! :bang: -unit

Stupid ass pictures removed again! :bang:

This is not the AAG.

- unit

I wasn't kidding f-bodyfreak.

See ya in 2 weeks.

:owned: :owned: :owned: :owned:

You are such a panzy....mommy really took too long to stop nursing you didn't she? She apparently didn't get the memo that third graders are provided milk at school and her 'pump' didn't need to go into OVERTIME.

Grow up, you loser......LIKE I said...Typical vette owner. Egotistical and PATHETIC.



Yes, I do have an ego when it the converation is my car vs your car. Other then that, I don't underestimate anything.

Look, you jumped in my shit, I responded. I think you should learn from this stupid flame war, that you should really just make sure you know what your talkingabout, so assholes like my self, won't jump on your shit.

My statements regarding the video where on point, that was all.

I'm done with on this topic.

The next person to post some ridiculously childish stuff will be banned.

Have a nice day. :)



I'd like to appoligize to the members of the site. My bad for jumping on the rookie.

-jamie

I think his is a good place to call it quits on this thread. :nod: Too bad
though...that's a good vid and a nice race.