Generation IV Internal Engine - 402 L92/L76 is on the road

I got the car back this morning. Here are the build specs:

SDPC LS2 402 2cc pistons
L92 heads - 12:1 SCR
L76 Intake
Comp 921's
Bret Bauer custom cam spec'd for my setup
RAM Dual disc clutch and Aluminum Flywheel
American Racing 1 7/8 headers
42 lb Green Top injectors
Revised Cadillac Racing lifters - Good for 8k RPM
Trend .110 Pushrods.
etc
etc
Assembly/Installation and SD tune by Phil Thomas

"MAF, We don't need no stinkin MAF"

The car runs really strong. It's deceptively fast. It doesn't have the cammy feeling the 346 did. It just builds speed quickly from 2k RPM up. The power is VERY linear. It makes a ton of torque.

Much less valve noise than the 346. I think that may be due to the Caddy Racing lifters. Got a lift down to pick it up from a well known C5 forum member with LT's and bolt ons. I'm not naming names here to protect the slow. On the way home we found a closed course and tried a side by side roll on from 2k in 5th gear. I pulled him by 10 car lengths to 100. He said he felt like he was driving a Toyota. Did one hard run - still on the closed course - in 3rd. It hit the 6600 RPM rev limiter almost immediately. Got to bump that up a little.

The tight LSA cam sounds nasty at idle.

The car does not smoke at all and is a blast to drive.

The RAM Dual Disk clutch requires little pressure. It may be softer than stock. No chatter and it sticks hard. Going to take a little getting used to.

The overall effect is great. You can definitely feel the benefits of the larger engine even with the cam I'm running it's going to be a great "grocery getter"

Thanks Phil, Bret, Brian, Thomas and about 10 other people for knowledgable input into this build.

Nice , a BRE cam , expect high numbers out of that thing. Off the shelf cams are for old school racers, that can't keep up with the times

nice. now for the all important question... any idea on what its putting down?

We need dyno #s NIce setup too :)

Is tuned yet how many mile do you have on it?

We need dyno #s NIce setup too :)

Please dyno soon.

Yes, dying for dyno-
Are your L92s unmolested ie no port and no mill?
I am trying to figure out how much to mill the heads.

Brady, Kevin.... shhhh I don't want anyone else to know about dem der secret cams.

Bret

Glad you finally got it running. Now get that puppy to the track or dyno.

Nate

No dyno numbers. It's got an SD tune on it that's probably 95% done. I'm going to break in the engine and clutch and we'll finish the tune.

I told Bret it runs like a huge electric motor. Mash the gas and it just goes. Incredibly smooth power delivery. My last engine was around 460 RWHP. This is sooo much stronger it's not funny. As I said, it just builds speed form 2k up to rev limiter...OOOPS. :devil:

Yes, dying for dyno-
Are your L92s unmolested ie no port and no mill?

I didn't say no mill but other than that...fresh from the General. :drive:

Glad to hear you finally got it going.

I've been visiting this site for the last couple weeks to see your progress. I was a little discouraged when I couldn't find the original thread. Hope to see/hear a video soon.

Congrats.

good to hear, i want to see numbers cause our combos are very similar. also get a sound clip of the exhaust........please

Was waundering what happened to the original thread also.What gives?Traver

sounds like a sick set up

Was waundering what happened to the original thread also.What gives?Traver

To be honest, I posted up because I wanted to share this build here...as much as I could. I removed the original thread when I got tired of the BS and it took a personal turn.

CONGRATS :devil: sounds like a beast

WKMCD,

Congrats on your build!!!! Are any of your vendors, suppliers planing on doing package L92/L76 set ups? Can't wait to hear dyno specs and track times, Congrats Broham!!!!!!!

Glad to hear you finally got it on the road, and I don't blame you for deleting the original thread. I can't wait to see some hard dyno OR track numbers.

What did your DCR come out to be with that SCR?

Glad to hear you finally got it on the road, and I don't blame you for deleting the original thread. I can't wait to see some hard dyno OR track numbers.

What did your DCR come out to be with that SCR?

It's higher than people believe is a good idea. SD tuning took care of any concerns.

I'll have a video up later tonight or tomorrow. This thing sounds SICK at idle.

Must be in the low to mid 9s region then I'm guessing. Sounds like you are enjoying it, and that's all that matters. It'll be a good while before I head down the new engine road, so I'll have to see how this all plays out over the next 2-3 years.

It's higher than people believe is a good idea. SD tuning took care of any concerns.
Not to be an ass here, but I really hate when people do this. I don't understand it - this is LS1Tech! People come here for this kind of information. They want to see the numbers!

When you hide critical information about the build, you are left with hardly anything useful you can take from the post.

My .02

Sweet setup though, almost spot on to what I was planning for my motor build.

Not to be an ass here, but I really hate when people do this. I don't understand it - this is LS1Tech! People come here for this kind of information. They want to see the numbers!

When you hide critical information about the build, you are left with hardly anything useful you can take from the post.

My .02

Sweet setup though, almost spot on to what I was planning for my motor build.

My $.02...

People are paying a lot of money when doing stuff like this. He's been a guinea pig for the L-92/L-76 swap, and that takes nothing but time, money, and patience (and not necessarily in that order). This knowledge will become more common in the future, and I'm sure he'll release the information in good time. If it doesn't put down good numbers for some reason, there will be tons of people ragging on him about this and that and the other thing, and throwing out numbers (DCR, cam specs, etc) to try and fix the problem, even if they don't know what they are talking about (after all, we are talking about an entirely different head/intake architecture here). It gets aggravating. There are just too many people on this site (and others) that will bash you till they are blue in the face because you either:

A. Didn't put down enough HP
B. Didn't put down enough TQ
C. Spent too much doing it

If you are going to be doing the engine build yourself, you'll be going down similar roads to what he has to get this done. Why do you need the information now if you can't do anything with it? Planning can only get you so far...from what I've found, it is easier to plan how to get the money first, then worry about the details after you have that all in line. I'm sure Bret would be more than happy to discuss the cam specs when that time comes, and by that time, more information, research, and results will be available.

Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like a great package for many of us lsx motor guys decide what to upgrade to in the near future..

Best of luck and congratulations.

JB

My $.02...

People are paying a lot of money when doing stuff like this. He's been a guinea pig for the L-92/L-76 swap, and that takes nothing but time, money, and patience (and not necessarily in that order). This knowledge will become more common in the future, and I'm sure he'll release the information in good time. If it doesn't put down good numbers for some reason, there will be tons of people ragging on him about this and that and the other thing, and throwing out numbers (DCR, cam specs, etc) to try and fix the problem, even if they don't know what they are talking about (after all, we are talking about an entirely different head/intake architecture here). It gets aggravating. There are just too many people on this site (and others) that will bash you till they are blue in the face because you either:

A. Didn't put down enough HP
B. Didn't put down enough TQ
C. Spent too much doing it

If you are going to be doing the engine build yourself, you'll be going down similar roads to what he has to get this done. Why do you need the information now if you can't do anything with it? Planning can only get you so far...from what I've found, it is easier to plan how to get the money first, then worry about the details after you have that all in line. I'm sure Bret would be more than happy to discuss the cam specs when that time comes, and by that time, more information, research, and results will be available.

Thank you and well said.

I removed another thread for exactly the same BS you mentioned. In that thread, I shared absolutley everything about the build except the cam specs and those Bret requested that I not. I deleted it because I just got tired of the BS and personal stuff.

its deffently a interesting topic here. im close to assembling mine but waiting on time to see exactly how his ^^^^^^^^^^^^ works. i also have a 408 L92/L76 setup

My $.02...

People are paying a lot of money when doing stuff like this. He's been a guinea pig for the L-92/L-76 swap, and that takes nothing but time, money, and patience (and not necessarily in that order). This knowledge will become more common in the future, and I'm sure he'll release the information in good time. If it doesn't put down good numbers for some reason, there will be tons of people ragging on him about this and that and the other thing, and throwing out numbers (DCR, cam specs, etc) to try and fix the problem, even if they don't know what they are talking about (after all, we are talking about an entirely different head/intake architecture here). It gets aggravating. There are just too many people on this site (and others) that will bash you till they are blue in the face because you either:

A. Didn't put down enough HP
B. Didn't put down enough TQ
C. Spent too much doing it

If you are going to be doing the engine build yourself, you'll be going down similar roads to what he has to get this done. Why do you need the information now if you can't do anything with it? Planning can only get you so far...from what I've found, it is easier to plan how to get the money first, then worry about the details after you have that all in line. I'm sure Bret would be more than happy to discuss the cam specs when that time comes, and by that time, more information, research, and results will be available.
While I agree with your points, if it were my car I would share everything because that is what the board is for. Holding back information on a public forum is just silly. Reminds me of a certain "Results with ETP Heads" post where the starter would absolutely not share cam/etc information which made it extremely hard to take anything useful from the post.

But, it isn't my car. Carry on. :chug:

Props on not revealing cam specs. :cheers: What pushrod length did you end up with?

Props on not revealing cam specs. :cheers: What pushrod length did you end up with?

comming from the originators of this rule... lol :secret2:

I can understand why you are keeping the cam on the low. As far as general input, I assume we all can assume that a cam with slightly less lift and equal intake duration to the proven LS2/LS6 ported heads would suffice. The only added benefit with these heads is added cfm and a loss of compression.

Most of those that install ported LS1 or Ls6 heads on a big bore motor run into compression issues anyway.... so the loss of compression and increased runner volume is not that big of an issue in my opinion. I bet simply milling the heads a bit, changing the valves to stainless, a valvejob, and porting a bit on the exhaust side of things should be enough to make this combo similiar to some of those 2k+ aftermarket heads.

Matching a cam to these heads is a matter of time. I personally dont want to be the one experimenting with this combination. It would be nice to see some off the shelf cams or dyno numbers comming out w/ these heads on a 408+ cubed engines.

Personally I am leaning more and more towards a middle of the road cam vs rumblin stumblin valve spring killer.

238/244 .615/.625 LSK on a 110+2 sounds good to me........ seems to be a nice compromise on the exhaust. Would yall consider this big or small? :search: :jest: :jest:

Hey kevin hows the car running. I'm thinking mid to low 5's on the hp level. Figure i'd chime in because the car will never see a track or a dyno.

238/244 .615/.625 LSK on a 110+2 sounds good to me........ seems to be a nice compromise on the exhaust. Would yall consider this big or small? :search: :jest: :jest:
Looks great to me, I chose based on the LSK lobe chart for a 402 LS2 with L92 heads.

Lobe#, Dur. @ .006", .050", .200", & Lift w/1.7 rocker

2130 289 239 164 .649"
2132 297 247 171 .656"

110+0. I don't think a +2 advance would be necessary, it is only going to peak at ~6400rpm give or take depending on your intake.

Thank you and well said.

I removed another thread for exactly the same BS you mentioned. In that thread, I shared absolutley everything about the build except the cam specs and those Bret requested that I not. I deleted it because I just got tired of the BS and personal stuff.

Its a stock cam :eyes:




Pro stock cam lol :drive:

Guys, let me explain something about the cams specs....

Like Lou I don't fell like I should do someone elses R&D for them. My interest in the L92 heads is for my personal car, I'm building a LS2 for myself with PROFESSIONALLY ported heads and ever since I learned about these heads (well over a year now) I've been interested in them.

Kevin came to me to ask for my advice and after talking to a few other guys asked if I could do a cam for him. I said yes as long as the specs remained private. It's a one off deal with the right person with the right setup at the right time. That's all. Besides if you saw the cam specs unless you knew the cam lobes, lobe areas, all the valve events you couldn't come close to drawing conclusions and MOST people around here wouldn't have an idea of what to do with them. The ones that would, get the most out of it which is FREE R&D. I don't care what another shop, cam guy or company suggests because we all do things differently. If they have respect for my cam specs being private I have respect for them.

Only two things I cared about in this build were Kevin's comments.... "It has a nice nasty idle, pulls like and electic motor and has no valvetrain noise." He's happy with it, and for super big ports that defiy conventional wisdom for CSA sizing pulling like an electric motor is a big deal.

Guys don't worry in a year or so maybe someone will have stumbled across a cam that works for this combo by then.... maybe.

Bret

Lower int duration/higher exht duration (rather big split), choice of lobes / tighter lsa/ICL to tune IVO,EVC
Equidistant IVO and EVC, mid>upper 40's IVC/ low 50's EVO

What? Not entirely.

Hey kevin hows the car running. I'm thinking mid to low 5's on the hp level. Figure i'd chime in because the car will never see a track or a dyno.

Well, you drove it. The lack of cam effect is really interesting. The torque curve on this thing is sooo flat. There is no bump at 3000rpm and another at 4500 like the 346 had. It just progressively gets stronger. Chip and I did a 5th gear roll on from 2k. I pulled him by 10 car lengths by the time we reached 100MPH...He said he felt like he was driving a Toyota. The closest thing I can describe is it's like a big electric motor.

We still need to work on that 1500RPM thing when Phil gets back. I think your probably right about the RWHP. I'm thinking 525-540 but a really big RWT number.

It may actually see a dyno soon but probably never a track. Thanks for working with Phil on the car.

Props on not revealing cam specs. :cheers: What pushrod length did you end up with?

The one that fit with the heads and cam. :)

Kevin.... you are just feeling a TQ curve thats complete and not totally focused on making a big RWHP number to sell more parts.

Bret

sound clips dammit!!!

Guys, let me explain something about the cams specs....

Like Lou I don't fell like I should do someone elses R&D for them. My interest in the L92 heads is for my personal car, I'm building a LS2 for myself with PROFESSIONALLY ported heads and ever since I learned about these heads (well over a year now) I've been interested in them.

Kevin came to me to ask for my advice and after talking to a few other guys asked if I could do a cam for him. I said yes as long as the specs remained private. It's a one off deal with the right person with the right setup at the right time. That's all. Besides if you saw the cam specs unless you knew the cam lobes, lobe areas, all the valve events you couldn't come close to drawing conclusions and MOST people around here wouldn't have an idea of what to do with them. The ones that would, get the most out of it which is FREE R&D. I don't care what another shop, cam guy or company suggests because we all do things differently. If they have respect for my cam specs being private I have respect for them.

Only two things I cared about in this build were Kevin's comments.... "It has a nice nasty idle, pulls like and electic motor and has no valvetrain noise." He's happy with it, and for super big ports that defiy conventional wisdom for CSA sizing pulling like an electric motor is a big deal.

Guys don't worry in a year or so maybe someone will have stumbled across a cam that works for this combo by then.... maybe.

Bretso your saying the ports on the L-92 heads have a bigger CSA than a LS1-LS6 type head?i know the ports are bigger,but i figured they would fall in line with an LS1 type head after you factor in the bigger int.valve.interesting...

a lot of people tout small runners,but from what i've learned,the CSA is more important even if the volume is bigger(200cc compared to a 230cc volume for example).

i respect that you want to keep the cam specs secret,it's part of how you make your living.i've read the cam discussion thread,along with other threads about head flow and things i've learned thru modding my car. i think i have a basic understanding of what goes on inside a motor.but there's so much more to a properly spec'd cam than IVC,EVO,dur.@.200 lift etc. i would never try to spec out a cam for myself.i could pick out some lobes and get something that would do ok just from what i've learned here and from others.but to get a full understanding of it all would take years of experience and schooling.why give some of that away for free on the internet?i don't blame you one bit....

Kevin, what's happening at 1500RPM?


Well, you drove it. The lack of cam effect is really interesting. The torque curve on this thing is sooo flat. There is no bump at 3000rpm and another at 4500 like the 346 had. It just progressively gets stronger. Chip and I did a 5th gear roll on from 2k. I pulled him by 10 car lengths by the time we reached 100MPH...He said he felt like he was driving a Toyota. The closest thing I can describe is it's like a big electric motor.

We still need to work on that 1500RPM thing when Phil gets back. I think your probably right about the RWHP. I'm thinking 525-540 but a really big RWT number.

It may actually see a dyno soon but probably never a track. Thanks for working with Phil on the car.

Kevin, what's happening at 1500RPM?

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While I agree with your points, if it were my car I would share everything because that is what the board is for. Holding back information on a public forum is just silly. Reminds me of a certain "Results with ETP Heads" post where the starter would absolutely not share cam/etc information which made it extremely hard to take anything useful from the post.

But, it isn't my car. Carry on. :chug:

I agree this thread is useless... self-appreciating... waste of forum band-width... Ancient Chinese secret... blah , blah, blah... Why even post this thread, bragging rights only???

I agree this thread is useless... self-appreciating... waste of forum band-width... Ancient Chinese secret... blah , blah, blah... Why even post this thread, bragging rights only???


The interesting thing is no one here is selling cams.... It isn't like this guy is freakin Lou at LG!!! I mean if he was offering a cam to the public that would be one thing. No one was asking for a damn cam card... just input on the suggested lift and duration and what works with these heads. It isnt like this won't be out in 6 months anyway........ I am sure once all the real parts distributors get on the stick with these news GM parts his secret will be something nobody gives a rats ass about :eyes: . Kudos to you guys for being the first...... this is why I give you a toast... no the fact that you think you have found something with this cam that others will not be able to do in 6 months.

my unwarranted .02 cents. :hijack:

so everyone... lets all stand up and give them a pat on the back. :judge: sounds like a beast. :devil: Maybe after "somebody" gets thier lips of someone else's ass :jest: they will tell us more about this torque monster. :chug:

You guys are real pieces of work. I give out every single spec on the build here with the exception of cam specs which I was asked not to by BRE. The reason for the post was to let everyone know that the setup works and works well.

If you want a cam, do what I did. Talk to everyone you can who seems knowledgable and make a gut level decision on who you think can produce the cam that will meet your needs.

If that's not good enough - pound sand.

Guys as I said giving you cam specs or partical cams specs only does two things:

1. Gives guys free R&D to what works and what doesn't
2. Confuse 99% of you. There is a lot more in these L92 setups than is just seen in a duration number. I'm not trying to be all knowing omnipitent ass, but unless you understand cams are more than duration, lift and LSA numbers or valve events you will not come close to actually getting something usefull out of it.

Besides I doubt this whole deal will be figured out unless someone leaks it, and it's not going to be me, kevin, phil or anyone in my shop.

Bret

So how long before this thread is deleted too? :jest:

I'm glad to hear the cars running great.

Its cool to hear what can be accomplished.

I don't mind the "secrets" kept as when the time comes for me to have a motor built...I'll be paying someone who knows what the hell they are doing...so I don't need to know if thats not where your at...

Just glad to hear the cars a success...

Looking forward to continued updates on your car...

Keep it coming.

I don't think WKMCD deserves the grief that he is getting for not releasing the specs, because he was asked not to by someone that helped with his build. I am sure he is thankful for all the help everyone involved with the build gave to him.

On the other hand, I think the people keeping the specs secret on thier cams should be banned from the forum seeing how it is an information SHARING site and they are not contributing in any way. I think vendors should be be included in that also, which is a huge reason I would NEVER buy even a damn lugnut from LG. Most people on this forum would do anything they could to help anyone even the newbs that ask what is the best cam as their first post but then there are the people that use this forum for free R&D and then keep and hide info from the public and that is just wrong.

[QUOTE=WKMCD]If you want a cam, do what I did. Talk to everyone you can who seems knowledgable and make a gut level decision on who you think can produce the cam that will meet your needs.

I agree, there is A LOT that goes in to choosing a cam, not the least of which is where YOU want to make power.

On the other hand, I think the people keeping the specs secret on thier cams should be banned from the forum seeing how it is an information SHARING site and they are not contributing in any way. I think vendors should be be included in that also, which is a huge reason I would NEVER buy even a damn lugnut from LG. Most people on this forum would do anything they could to help anyone even the newbs that ask what is the best cam as their first post but then there are the people that use this forum for free R&D and then keep and hide info from the public and that is just wrong.

You dont have to buy a lugnut from me. I dont have to sell you a lugnut either. This forum is about A lot of things, and sharing my cam specs at my discretion is up to me.

On the other hand, you can buy your LS7 cam from someone else like Greg Fell did with no one to help analyze his results other than a bunch of internet experts, and make sub par numbers with BOTH cams, let alone one. Going off of what other people say is good in theory, untill you hit the track or the dyno. Sure There are a lot of variables, and sure there are a TON of internet experts who think they can have a cam ground or port a set of heads with the best of them. There is a reason We do this for a living.

Not only do you get a proven cam that has been a staple for years, you get the tech support with it. Your car isnt making power? We can sort through the combo to find where the missing link is and what we can do to make it better.

Im certainly not going to trouble shoot a customers car for free when he has a custom ground joe schmo cam. If you worked at Cingular, are you going to help a customer who calls you and says " My Verizon phone is acting up, what can I do?"

Its a free country, Bret and Kevin have a real, live, running L92 setup. That is as far as we know. It hasnt hit the rollers yet, and we have nothing to compare it to. Therefore, this cam, or combo may yeild typical AFR/402 numbers. We dont know, we cant draw conclusions based off of a 1500 pull from a stock car. Its a stroker, Big CR at that, it should pull a stock car.

Maybe there is a reason GM put these on the trucks, maybe there is a reason they have yet to put them in a full size car yet. I dont know, do you?

Louis

You guys quit complaining.

I can appreciate the effort that went into the build and not wanting to give knowledge earned through hard work away. I've been following this build because it was something totally different. You guys wanting cam specs, I'll agree about finding the guys at the top of their game. They want paid for designing, installing, and testing several grinds to deliver the customer a proven product.

Once again, congrats and hope to see some vids of this engine in action when you guys get it all dialed in.

This thread is continuing on a downward spiral...very sad to see.

On the other hand, I think the people keeping the specs secret on thier cams should be banned from the forum seeing how it is an information SHARING site and they are not contributing in any way.

LOL now that's funny, you CAN'T share your opinion on a sponsors products if you have a educated opinion, so why should someone give out free info???? There is no way that this place is a FREE sharing of information and opinions and never will be if anyone is paying to "sponsor" here.

then there are the people that use this forum for free R&D and then keep and hide info from the public and that is just wrong.

So using this forum for free R&D by getting free cam specs is ok? Anyone who uses this place for free R&D is a moron, period. We could do like we did before and just give out bogus specs and you would all eat it up as gospel, nobody says that doesn't happen a lot.

This place is an anomaly in the world of engines, where cam specs matter more than performance or engine output not to mention the average torque output, idle quality and drivabily. :rolleyes:

Bret

You guys are real pieces of work. I give out every single spec on the build here with the exception of cam specs which I was asked not to by BRE. The reason for the post was to let everyone know that the setup works and works well.

If you want a cam, do what I did. Talk to everyone you can who seems knowledgable and make a gut level decision on who you think can produce the cam that will meet your needs.

If that's not good enough - pound sand.


your right... guess i was just stirrin the pot....... I was pissed Automatica missed the first field goal. :cry: lol

Still dont understand the :secret2:

This thread is continuing on a downward spiral...very sad to see.
Agreed, but saying a vendor (who by definition PAYS the administration of the site to provide all of us with the information we all read on a daily basis) deserves to be kicked off the site because they are protecting their own intellectual property should not be ignored.

Let's get back to the action and stop the spec argument. It has happened far too many times in the past, if you care, search, and dig up one of the old threads. The L92/L76 info is far too innovative to contaminate with some drivel about secret specs and what 1 or 2 members' opinions of holding specs are.

i just want to hear this thing Idle dammit

You dont have to buy a lugnut from me. I dont have to sell you a lugnut either. This forum is about A lot of things, and sharing my cam specs at my discretion is up to me.

On the other hand, you can buy your LS7 cam from someone else like Greg Fell did with no one to help analyze his results other than a bunch of internet experts, and make sub par numbers with BOTH cams, let alone one. Going off of what other people say is good in theory, untill you hit the track or the dyno. Sure There are a lot of variables, and sure there are a TON of internet experts who think they can have a cam ground or port a set of heads with the best of them. There is a reason We do this for a living.

Not only do you get a proven cam that has been a staple for years, you get the tech support with it. Your car isnt making power? We can sort through the combo to find where the missing link is and what we can do to make it better.

Im certainly not going to trouble shoot a customers car for free when he has a custom ground joe schmo cam. If you worked at Cingular, are you going to help a customer who calls you and says " My Verizon phone is acting up, what can I do?"

Its a free country, Bret and Kevin have a real, live, running L92 setup. That is as far as we know. It hasnt hit the rollers yet, and we have nothing to compare it to. Therefore, this cam, or combo may yeild typical AFR/402 numbers. We dont know, we cant draw conclusions based off of a 1500 pull from a stock car. Its a stroker, Big CR at that, it should pull a stock car.

Maybe there is a reason GM put these on the trucks, maybe there is a reason they have yet to put them in a full size car yet. I dont know, do you?

Louis


Louis... this is apples and oranges. You have a real business with many wannabe's and copycats. This is a single and first of its kind engine build. Keeping this info a :secret2: is simply being arrogant IMO. While they pat eachother on the back and congratulate for a job well done after pulling a stock car by 10 lengths, we are sitting here wondering if the cam they selected was even equivelent to a typical 402 car. I for one am anxious to see dyno and track times...... but I am sure only time will tell what this setup will do.

One thing is for sure, WE ALL GREATLY APPRECIATE this thread in its wealth of information and having the first of the sort with this setup keep the heart of the engine (the camshaft) on the down low.

Meanwhile, hopefully you or TSP or another parts distributor/manufacturer will get some numbers out on these new GM products. It would be nice for those of us building L92 combos to not have to swap cams or spend our own money for the R&D to get the right setup......... I assume that is what we all pay YOUR companies to do??? By the way...... I would buy a lugnut from you.... :angel:

On the other hand, you can buy your LS7 cam from someone else like Greg Fell did with no one to help analyze his results other than a bunch of internet experts, and make sub par numbers with BOTH cams, let alone one. Going off of what other people say is good in theory, untill you hit the track or the dyno. Sure There are a lot of variables, and sure there are a TON of internet experts who think they can have a cam ground or port a set of heads with the best of them. There is a reason We do this for a living.

Yeah or you can not jump into things and make an educated decision from all the very valuable information on this board posted by people that do actually know what they are talking about. For each the few people that screw up their choice for a custom ground cam there are 10 atleast that have made great power with one by going off information that others have SHARED on this site.


Not only do you get a proven cam that has been a staple for years, you get the tech support with it. Your car isnt making power? We can sort through the combo to find where the missing link is and what we can do to make it better.

Im certainly not going to trouble shoot a customers car for free when he has a custom ground joe schmo cam. If you worked at Cingular, are you going to help a customer who calls you and says " My Verizon phone is acting up, what can I do?"

Support is a very nice thing, but I have seen tons of threads on here where people have posted about poor results or problems with their setups and have recieved many replies that have lead to the solution, which imho only solidifies the fact that information sharing is the biggest part of this website.


Its a free country, Bret and Kevin have a real, live, running L92 setup. That is as far as we know. It hasnt hit the rollers yet, and we have nothing to compare it to. Therefore, this cam, or combo may yeild typical AFR/402 numbers. We dont know, we cant draw conclusions based off of a 1500 pull from a stock car. Its a stroker, Big CR at that, it should pull a stock car.

Maybe there is a reason GM put these on the trucks, maybe there is a reason they have yet to put them in a full size car yet. I dont know, do you?

Louis

I have no idea about this setup, that is the thing there isn't enough info to form any kind of opinion at this point for anyone to really know what this setup is all about.

Yep it's all about arrogance.

ok im happy till we see numbers

LOL now that's funny, you CAN'T share your opinion on a sponsors products if you have a educated opinion, so why should someone give out free info???? There is no way that this place is a FREE sharing of information and opinions and never will be if anyone is paying to "sponsor" here.

It's pretty funny how all the other sponsors on here can make a living even though they SHARE their specs on all of their products.



So using this forum for free R&D by getting free cam specs is ok? Anyone who uses this place for free R&D is a moron, period. We could do like we did before and just give out bogus specs and you would all eat it up as gospel, nobody says that doesn't happen a lot.

So everyone on here that takes advise from this board and applies it to their setup is a moron? That is pretty much what you just said or does that only apply to businesses that use the information.....I don't see a difference. As for releasing bogus cam specs, if you do/did that I don't know how anyone could EVER have respect for you/your company from now on.


This place is an anomaly in the world of engines, where cam specs matter more than performance or engine output not to mention the average torque output, idle quality and drivabily. :rolleyes:

Bret

If they shouldn't matter that much why be so shady with your designs? The cam is the heart of the motor and is where all the numbers you described above are made, that's why people care about cam specs. I must have hit a nerve with the cam nazis.... :)

Congrats on getting the car running WKMCD. I can't wait to see how the setup pans out.

-Geoff

this has gotten way out of hand.. granted, i want to know what it puts down, a lot of you do. i think this whole thread just falls under: "if you dont have anything nice to say then just shut the fuck up." while id also like to know all the specs, i can understand the veil of secrecy. its still not going to keep me or anyone else here from being curious about the setup.
do i agree with the whole secrecy game (lets be honest in any industry, this is just a complicated game) outside of professional racing? not really... but theres no point in bitching about it, even if they are sponsors. should they be banned? haha..no. LGM has a lot of useful info and parts... the racing vids are cool too.. so to say they dont share info is just ignorant. even sstrokerace, while comming off as somewht of an asshole instead of just leaving well enough alone, does share a stupid amount of information with this community, some of which at the moment gives me a headache. all of which has been greatly informative and useful to those that like to try to advance their enthusiasm in this hobby. guys, chill out, bickering about this just isnt worth it whether you agree or not.

Louis... this is apples and oranges. You have a real business with many wannabe's and copycats. This is a single and first of its kind engine build. Keeping this info a :secret2: is simply being arrogant IMO. While they pat eachother on the back and congratulate for a job well done after pulling a stock car by 10 lengths, we are sitting here wondering if the cam they selected was even equivelent to a typical 402 car. I for one am anxious to see dyno and track times...... but I am sure only time will tell what this setup will do.

One thing is for sure, WE ALL GREATLY APPRECIATE this thread in its wealth of information and having the first of the sort with this setup keep the heart of the engine (the camshaft) on the down low.

Meanwhile, hopefully you or TSP or another parts distributor/manufacturer will get some numbers out on these new GM products. It would be nice for those of us building L92 combos to not have to swap cams or spend our own money for the R&D to get the right setup......... I assume that is what we all pay YOUR companies to do??? By the way...... I would buy a lugnut from you.... :angel:
Your engine builder should be speccing out your cam based on what your heads flow, what you want to spin the motor to to make the power you want achieved....Do not go by what a sponsor sells or you will end up in the middle of the pack again. The whole reason to build this better setup is to be ahead of the game right? this is why Chris and Ray are building my motor!

I am sure no cares but here is my two cents. When I see people guess and put combos together on their own it most of the time is crap. This dyno racing gets out of hand on here. This is their job to build motors, spec cams, and such thats what you pay them for. I would not tell you to do a job and not pay you. Why should they? If he wants to keep his cam specs a secret thats his choice not yours. It is his money and time that produced it. If you want the specs buy his cam. Dont be a cheap ass.

Well, this is a very interesting study in human behaviour if anything. It's interesting to see the reactions of both people who are pro and con on divulging cam specs.

Honestly it all depends on where you are coming from, and at the same time says a lot about you to potential vendors. Trust me if a vendor can prevent from selling to some of the people in this thread because it will be all headaches and whining they will. Then again most guys who are the better customers trust people and how they run their shops to do what is right for them. In the end that's what they BOTH want. Lord knows I choose who I want to work with, not the other way around. (maybe my personal policies reflect this as well, hmmmm)

I've worked with everyone from individuals such as Kevin to race engine builders and head porters on cams and valvetrains. Some guys reguardless if it's a high 300's FLYWHEEL circle track motor or a monster 1000hp drag motor will not tell you cam specs. Other shops who have VERY good names will never ever sell to you again if you let another shop open up "their" motor, due to a lot of "SECRETS" that are just given up when you do so.

That could be and has been the difference in going from a winning season to a losing season, by having the right guy build OR NOT build your motor. (or chassis)

Some places like Reher Morrison will give you the cam specs to every motor they make for sportsman racing. I've even seen them publish Pro Stock cam specs. There are also guys like Erik Koenig who teach at SAM that cams aren't a secret.... I respect them for doing all of that, but even these guys will tell you that the LS world Is WAY TO WRAPED UP IN SPECS and doesn't care about performance as much as the numbers on the card or in their sig.

The funny part is I haven't seen any of this put a new view on ANY cams that are readily available to you guys, and it never will. The only guy out there who is doing anything different than the normal is Futral because they use a different place to grind their cams than everyone else. There are other shops but you don't hear as much about them as you would the F13, G5X4, TRex or MS4 or whatever threads that constantly clutter the bandwidth daily. For the most part everything is a combination of LSK, XE-R etc... lobes on a 112 LSA +/- 2° with varing philosophies on the amount of split and pretty much a similar IVC. You really can't screw up much with a intake manifold that has that much runner length in this RPM band, but man I do see a lot of stuff that gets smoked by a stock cam from idle to 4500rpm and people call these driveable and "fun" to use daily. Give me a break. That's only usefull for bragging rights on who makes the most rwhp AND drag racing with huge converters..... but in the end that's what sells more parts and STROKES egos.

I guess all of this also has a place since if what makes a guy happy is that his motor makes a magic number on a dyno, he spent that much money he should get those results that everyone else tries to achive. He might drive the car to work a bunch less, not take his wife out in the car because she doesn't like the bucking and lopey idle or might not drive it long trips in the summer.... that's his sacrafice for having that "number" that makes him feel good relative to other guys on the internet. If you want to stick to that same game, then you have all the tools here to do so.

One bad thing about our country is that we are infatuated with money and bling.... and in the end all that adds up to is numbers.... which is why cam specs and peak HP numbers are all that matters here.... so that guys can fill up their sigs with something. Hell lets start putting up bank account numbers and measurements of our cocks (or breast sizes for the other sex) in the sigs here, it would be about as meaningfull.

There is a great section here for the drag racing guys who care about ET numbers, which in reality do count a bunch more than peak rwhp numbers, but not as much as beating the guy in the lane NEXT to them, not across the country. Then again the other half of the board is interested in what gets them around the block faster or gets their heart pumping on the way to work everyday.

Enjoy your life and your car for what YOU want it to be, not what you think or feel makes others admire you more. In the end running your life (or shop) the way you want to is the key in the long run. Hell if we all did this then there would be less "shops" with pimped out shop cars paid for with other peoples money and parts that was ripped off of them and a big mess is left for the board to clean up.

Otherwise, STFU and stop jamming your view of meaningless BS down everyones throat.... and if you want to learn about cam specs GO OPEN A BOOK/WEBSITE AND READ, buy some cams, build a motor or two and run them on the dyno and track. Untill then STOP CRYING, I'll teach you how to fish but I'm not casting the line in the ocean for you!

Bret

Hey Bret, I have never met you... but after reading your philosophy of life, I like you already.

I have to admit I like seeing the numbers on a dyno... but it really is only to validate the smile on my face every time I hammer the vette. Mind you, I enjoy my 315 Pirelli Pzeros as much as my engine...

Well, this is a very interesting study in human behaviour if anything. It's interesting to see the reactions of both people who are pro and con on divulging cam specs.

Honestly it all depends on where you are coming from, and at the same time says a lot about you to potential vendors. Trust me if a vendor can prevent from selling to some of the people in this thread because it will be all headaches and whining they will. Then again most guys who are the better customers trust people and how they run their shops to do what is right for them. In the end that's what they BOTH want. Lord knows I choose who I want to work with, not the other way around. (maybe my personal policies reflect this as well, hmmmm)

I've worked with everyone from individuals such as Kevin to race engine builders and head porters on cams and valvetrains. Some guys reguardless if it's a high 300's FLYWHEEL circle track motor or a monster 1000hp drag motor will not tell you cam specs. Other shops who have VERY good names will never ever sell to you again if you let another shop open up "their" motor, due to a lot of "SECRETS" that are just given up when you do so.

That could be and has been the difference in going from a winning season to a losing season, by having the right guy build OR NOT build your motor. (or chassis)

Some places like Reher Morrison will give you the cam specs to every motor they make for sportsman racing. I've even seen them publish Pro Stock cam specs. There are also guys like Erik Koenig who teach at SAM that cams aren't a secret.... I respect them for doing all of that, but even these guys will tell you that the LS world Is WAY TO WRAPED UP IN SPECS and doesn't care about performance as much as the numbers on the card or in their sig.

The funny part is I haven't seen any of this put a new view on ANY cams that are readily available to you guys, and it never will. The only guy out there who is doing anything different than the normal is Futral because they use a different place to grind their cams than everyone else. There are other shops but you don't hear as much about them as you would the F13, G5X4, TRex or MS4 or whatever threads that constantly clutter the bandwidth daily. For the most part everything is a combination of LSK, XE-R etc... lobes on a 112 LSA +/- 2° with varing philosophies on the amount of split and pretty much a similar IVC. You really can't screw up much with a intake manifold that has that much runner length in this RPM band, but man I do see a lot of stuff that gets smoked by a stock cam from idle to 4500rpm and people call these driveable and "fun" to use daily. Give me a break. That's only usefull for bragging rights on who makes the most rwhp AND drag racing with huge converters..... but in the end that's what sells more parts and STROKES egos.

I guess all of this also has a place since if what makes a guy happy is that his motor makes a magic number on a dyno, he spent that much money he should get those results that everyone else tries to achive. He might drive the car to work a bunch less, not take his wife out in the car because she doesn't like the bucking and lopey idle or might not drive it long trips in the summer.... that's his sacrafice for having that "number" that makes him feel good relative to other guys on the internet. If you want to stick to that same game, then you have all the tools here to do so.

One bad thing about our country is that we are infatuated with money and bling.... and in the end all that adds up to is numbers.... which is why cam specs and peak HP numbers are all that matters here.... so that guys can fill up their sigs with something. Hell lets start putting up bank account numbers and measurements of our cocks (or breast sizes for the other sex) in the sigs here, it would be about as meaningfull.

There is a great section here for the drag racing guys who care about ET numbers, which in reality do count a bunch more than peak rwhp numbers, but not as much as beating the guy in the lane NEXT to them, not across the country. Then again the other half of the board is interested in what gets them around the block faster or gets their heart pumping on the way to work everyday.

Enjoy your life and your car for what YOU want it to be, not what you think or feel makes others admire you more. In the end running your life (or shop) the way you want to is the key in the long run. Hell if we all did this then there would be less "shops" with pimped out shop cars paid for with other peoples money and parts that was ripped off of them and a big mess is left for the board to clean up.

Otherwise, STFU and stop jamming your view of meaningless BS down everyones throat.... and if you want to learn about cam specs GO OPEN A BOOK/WEBSITE AND READ, buy some cams, build a motor or two and run them on the dyno and track. Untill then STOP CRYING, I'll teach you how to fish but I'm not casting the line in the ocean for you!

Bret


Well said Bret.

Andrew

This thread is getting pretty good...and to think someone tried deleting it yesterday. :rolleyes:

what's funny about this is that even if the cam specs were posted,they wouldn't necessarily work in a motor with a different combo of parts.or even the same combo.i could see someone take the specs and try to copy them onto some XER or LSX lobes or whatever and still come up short.

maybe Bret is using asymmetrical lobes,or the ramps rates are totally different then a comp lobe.you can't think you can copy this stuff and make it work.i was going try this myself and i came to the conclusion,after digesting all the info i could on here,that it would be a waste of my time.i finally came off 450.00 last week and ordered a custom cam because i will never fully understand the dynamics of a motor like someone who does this stuff for a living.

hell,i want to see these specs as bad as anyone else on here.but stop and think about this for a minute....if some of Brets customers(or potential customers) knew he was giving out specs on a cam he designed,even tho it had nothing to do with their motors,he might lose some business.because they might see this thread and think "well if he's giving out info on this other guy's cam,he might do it to me".so they go to somebody else.the racing community is very protective or secrective of the technology they have,whether it's a cam design,port design,etc.if a team thinks they have an edge on the competition,they want to keep it to themselves and make damn sure any vendors they use are just as secretive as they are....

This thread is getting pretty good...and to think someone tried deleting it yesterday. :rolleyes:i hope it doesn't get deleted,i was thinking it might be before i finished typing my last post,lol.

i hope it doesn't get deleted,i was thinking it might be before i finished typing my last post,lol.

I deleted the first one after it took the same BS turn this one did. I think SOME people are starting to "get it". Anyways, as I have said all along, this cam was designed for MY car the way I want to use it. It's not a dyno queen or track car. It's a "gentleman's cruiser" - albeit a pretty quick one. I've got a friend putting together a quick video with the car idling and a quick blip. Should be posted soon.

Well, this is a very interesting study in human behaviour if anything. It's interesting to see the reactions of both people who are pro and con on divulging cam specs.

Honestly it all depends on where you are coming from, and at the same time says a lot about you to potential vendors. Trust me if a vendor can prevent from selling to some of the people in this thread because it will be all headaches and whining they will. Then again most guys who are the better customers trust people and how they run their shops to do what is right for them. In the end that's what they BOTH want. Lord knows I choose who I want to work with, not the other way around. (maybe my personal policies reflect this as well, hmmmm)

I've worked with everyone from individuals such as Kevin to race engine builders and head porters on cams and valvetrains. Some guys reguardless if it's a high 300's FLYWHEEL circle track motor or a monster 1000hp drag motor will not tell you cam specs. Other shops who have VERY good names will never ever sell to you again if you let another shop open up "their" motor, due to a lot of "SECRETS" that are just given up when you do so.

That could be and has been the difference in going from a winning season to a losing season, by having the right guy build OR NOT build your motor. (or chassis)

Some places like Reher Morrison will give you the cam specs to every motor they make for sportsman racing. I've even seen them publish Pro Stock cam specs. There are also guys like Erik Koenig who teach at SAM that cams aren't a secret.... I respect them for doing all of that, but even these guys will tell you that the LS world Is WAY TO WRAPED UP IN SPECS and doesn't care about performance as much as the numbers on the card or in their sig.

The funny part is I haven't seen any of this put a new view on ANY cams that are readily available to you guys, and it never will. The only guy out there who is doing anything different than the normal is Futral because they use a different place to grind their cams than everyone else. There are other shops but you don't hear as much about them as you would the F13, G5X4, TRex or MS4 or whatever threads that constantly clutter the bandwidth daily. For the most part everything is a combination of LSK, XE-R etc... lobes on a 112 LSA +/- 2° with varing philosophies on the amount of split and pretty much a similar IVC. You really can't screw up much with a intake manifold that has that much runner length in this RPM band, but man I do see a lot of stuff that gets smoked by a stock cam from idle to 4500rpm and people call these driveable and "fun" to use daily. Give me a break. That's only usefull for bragging rights on who makes the most rwhp AND drag racing with huge converters..... but in the end that's what sells more parts and STROKES egos.

I guess all of this also has a place since if what makes a guy happy is that his motor makes a magic number on a dyno, he spent that much money he should get those results that everyone else tries to achive. He might drive the car to work a bunch less, not take his wife out in the car because she doesn't like the bucking and lopey idle or might not drive it long trips in the summer.... that's his sacrafice for having that "number" that makes him feel good relative to other guys on the internet. If you want to stick to that same game, then you have all the tools here to do so.

One bad thing about our country is that we are infatuated with money and bling.... and in the end all that adds up to is numbers.... which is why cam specs and peak HP numbers are all that matters here.... so that guys can fill up their sigs with something. Hell lets start putting up bank account numbers and measurements of our cocks (or breast sizes for the other sex) in the sigs here, it would be about as meaningfull.

There is a great section here for the drag racing guys who care about ET numbers, which in reality do count a bunch more than peak rwhp numbers, but not as much as beating the guy in the lane NEXT to them, not across the country. Then again the other half of the board is interested in what gets them around the block faster or gets their heart pumping on the way to work everyday.

Enjoy your life and your car for what YOU want it to be, not what you think or feel makes others admire you more. In the end running your life (or shop) the way you want to is the key in the long run. Hell if we all did this then there would be less "shops" with pimped out shop cars paid for with other peoples money and parts that was ripped off of them and a big mess is left for the board to clean up.

Otherwise, STFU and stop jamming your view of meaningless BS down everyones throat.... and if you want to learn about cam specs GO OPEN A BOOK/WEBSITE AND READ, buy some cams, build a motor or two and run them on the dyno and track. Untill then STOP CRYING, I'll teach you how to fish but I'm not casting the line in the ocean for you!

Bret


i agree with everything you have said..... except for not divulging the cam specs part! since ya are the first ya know.

Well said! :judge: :judge: :judge: :judge: :judge: :chug: :drive: :)

You have officially earned my respect!

I've got a friend putting together a quick video with the car idling and a quick blip. Should be posted soon.


sweet....

as far as combos..... most 402/408/414etc L92headed/L76 intake cars will have similiar specs.

except for considerations for:

Drivability
Max RPM
Lifters and valvespring use
Where in the RPM to put max HP/TQ
Road race, street use, or drag strip

we can all agree that most of us are looking for drag strip with a hair of drivability........ probably 70% of us.

your cam does sound more like a streetcar low powerband torque monster. :devil:

Get a dyno graph on it already!!! :drive:

sweet....

as far as combos..... most 402/408/414etc L92headed/L76 intake cars will have similiar specs.

except for considerations for:

Drivability
Max RPM
Lifters and valvespring use
Where in the RPM to put max HP/TQ
Road race, street use, or drag strip

we can all agree that most of us are looking for drag strip with a hair of drivability........ probably 70% of us.

your cam does sound more like a streetcar low powerband torque monster. :devil:

Get a dyno graph on it already!!! :drive:

If I ever do track the car, there will be some corners.

Well, this is a very interesting study in human behaviour if anything.

Bret

Yes, isn't it? I read various forums to learn how people think, as well as to pick up some good knowledge. The folks I've met in person after reading many of their posts are virtually the same in person as on the forums. Some are a pleasure to talk with and have a beer with, some aren't.

The most interesting people I've met in life, or on forums, are not one dimensional; they have many interests and many facets to their personalities. I have learned something from most of them. The good ones are willing to share much general knowledge to help others, without sharing "numbers" which would compromise their clients or their own livelyhood. I respect them for that, as I hope they respect me if/when I do the same thing.

As far as custom cam specs go, obviously the manufacturer (CompCams, for example) knows exactly what it is, but they respect their customer's request to not reveal the specs needed to duplicate it. They do this same thing for the small engine builder as they do for Cup teams. If they didn't, they would be out of that business.

I have learned quite a bit about some folks from this thread. If some of you are at PRI, the beer is on me! http://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_stretch.gif

i have the same build up being done right now. your motor and mine will be a match compression,heads,intake,all but the cam. i'm going with a custom cam once we get the flow #'s from the ported l92 heads,then a cam will be ground up to fit the heads and intake. i will share my cam info with every one. i don't feel a need to hold back,if that was the case this site would be almost worthless.. goodluck to ya and congrats on the motor. :drive:
BLUE02WS6- i have had all the LG motorsport cams,x1,x2,x3and x4(x3 was the best) they were all great performers driving on the street,the dyno and hell at the strip. :)
LOUIS-well put on your comment brother.

So everyone on here that takes advise from this board and applies it to their setup is a moron?

Actually...yes. Have you seen some of the advice on this board? Not all of it is bad, but some of it is horrible. Trust, but verify...before you blow your car up.

Congrats on the ride, couldn't be happier to see you rolling. I would like to see some dyno numbers and that video would be awesome too.

Kevin,
Grenade the thread, never dyno the car, and just keep cruising around for fun. Its a fun fast car. :secret2:

:lock: :lock:

The SStroker boys, and you have to much time and money invested in the project. Forge ahead and just have fun with the car. Numbers dont matter, and me and chip are getting used to you being ahead of us.

I sell nug nuts if anyone needs any :sack:

You guys are agueing over these cam specs like this car just made 600 rwhp. All you have to go on is they way he "describes" how the car feels. Who is to say it's working effortlessly? Hell, he may be comparing it to a Pinto for all we know. All we can gather from this is that: A) The car will crank B) The car moves C) It will out run a stock car. Even if the cam specs were divulged, they would be mearley pointless at this time. There's just not enough info here to warrant all this hype. If you guys need a cam that will do A,B, and C above, shoot me a PM. I can deffinatlly handle that for you.

Hell...shoot me a PM if you want some custom cam specs. I'll spec something out for you that'll ensure your 500 cubic inch stroker is slower than my stock 346.

:jest:

Yeah, all I want to know is how well a 402-418 ci motor w/ the L92 stuff will do compared to a 402-418 with the AFR, etc type heads.

I also want to know if the move to the bigger bore and LS7 stuff worth the extra money.

I still have not seen/read any answers. As mentioned above, seat of the pants feel and guesses don't tell me a thing. As much as people complain about dynos (sae dynojet), it seems to be the most objective way to really compare setups, especially when there are trends.

I was really anxious to hear the results of this build up.

It's SOOOO simple.
1. It's his buildup and he's being good to his word. Respectable whether you like the concept or not.
2. It's Bret's business to run how he wants and can disclose (or not) what he wants to.
3. If you want the specs that bad, buy the engine or cam for your identical buildup and I'll bet he'll give you the specs.
4. Dyno AND run this car down the track and let us know how it does!
5. VIDEO!

You guys are real pieces of work. I give out every single spec on the build here with the exception of cam specs which I was asked not to by BRE. The reason for the post was to let everyone know that the setup works and works well.

If you want a cam, do what I did. Talk to everyone you can who seems knowledgable and make a gut level decision on who you think can produce the cam that will meet your needs.

If that's not good enough - pound sand.

I'm not doubting that the setup works well, but this really remains to be seen with a dyno after everything is broken in. It would be really interesting to see how this compares to a 402 w\ high dollar heads and a 90/90.

Kevin,
Grenade the thread, never dyno the car, and just keep cruising around for fun. Its a fun fast car. :secret2:

:lock: :lock:

The SStroker boys, and you have to much time and money invested in the project. Forge ahead and just have fun with the car. Numbers dont matter, and me and chip are getting used to you being ahead of us.

I sell nug nuts if anyone needs any :sack:

Phil,

It's really funny...I keep saying this was built for me and none of the people pissing and moaning here spent a cent on this build yet for some reason think they have some kind of rights. I've said all along this is a gentleman's cruiser. That's what I told Bret. That's what I told Phil. That's what I told Brian. That's what I told Patrick G. That's what I told Goeff. BTW: the last two did aid in the final cam decision. Go bother them. Sorry guys.

Now people who have absolutely no investment in this setup are insisting that I dyno it immediately and take it to the track. Guys, I have the car for 3 f'ing days. My original plan didn't even include a dyno session. It's not important to me and that's all I really care about. I really could give a rats ass whether the car runs 9's or 12's. I'm simply sharing my impressions of the build and have shared the problems we had along the way.

This is the first one that I know of. My purpose was to demonstrate that properly chosen components on this setup works well for me. If you want one that works for you...spend your money and time and build it. I sincerely hope yours works for you as well as mine works for me.

I raced motorcycles for 14 years all over the world...My racing days are behind me either with or without turns. And no, I didn't give my competitors all my build specs then.

That's it, I'm done defending myself to the various pissants that populate this board. I've heard from a lot of people here that are enthusuastic and appreciate that fact that someone took one for the team and put this setup together.

BTW Phil: Let's go for a hot cruise. Just remember to bring your "Get Out of Jail Free card. This car is capital offense fast.

You guys are agueing over these cam specs like this car just made 600 rwhp. All you have to go on is they way he "describes" how the car feels. Who is to say it's working effortlessly? Hell, he may be comparing it to a Pinto for all we know. All we can gather from this is that: A) The car will crank B) The car moves C) It will out run a stock car. Even if the cam specs were divulged, they would be mearley pointless at this time. There's just not enough info here to warrant all this hype. If you guys need a cam that will do A,B, and C above, shoot me a PM. I can deffinatlly handle that for you.


I really could care less what the cam specs are, my motor is done and won't be changed for a long time, as you already know. :) I just think the whole keeping specs quiet on a forum is retarded, especially a technically geared forum.

Phil,

It's really funny...I keep saying this was built for me and none of the people pissing and moaning here spent a cent on this build yet for some reason think they have some kind of rights. I've said all along this is a gentleman's cruiser. That's what I told Bret. That's what I told Phil. That's what I told Brian. That's what I told Patrick G. That's what I told Goeff. BTW: the last two did aid in the final cam decision. Go bother them. Sorry guys.

Now people who have absolutely no investment in this setup are insisting that I dyno it immediately and take it to the track. Guys, I have the car for 3 f'ing days. My original plan didn't even include a dyno session. It's not important to me and that's all I really care about. I really could give a rats ass whether the car runs 9's or 12's. I'm simply sharing my impressions of the build and have shared the problems we had along the way.

This is the first one that I know of. My purpose was to demonstrate that properly chosen components on this setup works well for me. If you want one that works for you...spend your money and time and build it. I sincerely hope yours works for you as well as mine works for me.

I raced motorcycles for 14 years all over the world...My racing days are behind me either with or without turns. And no, I didn't give my competitors all my build specs then.

That's it, I'm done defending myself to the various pissants that populate this board. I've heard from a lot of people here that are enthusuastic and appreciate that fact that someone took one for the team and put this setup together.

BTW Phil: Let's go for a hot cruise. Just remember to bring your "Get Out of Jail Free card. This car is capital offense fast.

If you wanted this to be for just you and didnt want all the questions and requests, why the hell did you post it step by step for the whole forum to witness and see? Delete this thread and don't start anymore since no one but you paid for this setup and it is all yours. Oh wait how can you get attention then though. :jest:

Phil,

It's really funny...I keep saying this was built for me and none of the people pissing and moaning here spent a cent on this build yet for some reason think they have some kind of rights. I've said all along this is a gentleman's cruiser. That's what I told Bret. That's what I told Phil. That's what I told Brian. That's what I told Patrick G. That's what I told Goeff. BTW: the last two did aid in the final cam decision. Go bother them. Sorry guys.

Now people who have absolutely no investment in this setup are insisting that I dyno it immediately and take it to the track. Guys, I have the car for 3 f'ing days. My original plan didn't even include a dyno session. It's not important to me and that's all I really care about. I really could give a rats ass whether the car runs 9's or 12's. I'm simply sharing my impressions of the build and have shared the problems we had along the way.

This is the first one that I know of. My purpose was to demonstrate that properly chosen components on this setup works well for me. If you want one that works for you...spend your money and time and build it. I sincerely hope yours works for you as well as mine works for me.

I raced motorcycles for 14 years all over the world...My racing days are behind me either with or without turns. And no, I didn't give my competitors all my build specs then.

That's it, I'm done defending myself to the various pissants that populate this board. I've heard from a lot of people here that are enthusuastic and appreciate that fact that someone took one for the team and put this setup together.

BTW Phil: Let's go for a hot cruise. Just remember to bring your "Get Out of Jail Free card. This car is capital offense fast.

If your original plan with this setup was to not take it to a dyno why the hell would you post this whole thing in the first place? You're wasting everyone's time if you don't care to dyno your car and share results. This whole post is useless with no valuable information, without at least a dyno after it's broken in. I'm not asking for cam specs but after this big write up that's been going on for months you're now saying you don't plan to dyno the car? :judge:

I can help all you guys out by telling you that the l92 heads are no better than well ported stock heads or aftermarket head. I have already tried this settup and was not impressed. I got 415 rwhp on automatic car with loose convertor unlocked. Just read the article in gm high tech this month. They picked up about 44 horse power verses stock heads. Well the same amount can be picked up with AFR heads. This l92 stuff is way overrated.

If your original plan with this setup was to not take it to a dyno why the hell would you post this whole thing in the first place? You're wasting everyone's time if you don't care to dyno your car and share results. This whole post is useless with no valuable information, without at least a dyno after it's broken in. I'm not asking for cam specs but after this big write up that's been going on for months you're now saying you don't plan to dyno the car? :judge:

There is a dyno section. If your looking for numbers try over there. That's why this is not posted there.

hell,i want to see these specs as bad as anyone else on here.but stop and think about this for a minute....if some of Brets customers(or potential customers) knew he was giving out specs on a cam he designed,even tho it had nothing to do with their motors,he might lose some business.because they might see this thread and think "well if he's giving out info on this other guy's cam,he might do it to me".so they go to somebody else.the racing community is very protective or secrective of the technology they have,whether it's a cam design,port design,etc.if a team thinks they have an edge on the competition,they want to keep it to themselves and make damn sure any vendors they use are just as secretive as they are....

i think that is very close to being a very good reason to keep them quiet

i dont blame either for keeping them quiet , if asked id do the same

mass produced cams give specs , and customs do also , but there are alot that spend alot of time and reasearch that dont want the numbers given

id bet reher-morrison wont give out specs on their current cam for their top motors , cams they consider old and dont use for their current motor program , they would

heck i think warren johnson still wont give out specs to his old stuff from 20 years ago , LOL


id love to see dyno and 1/4 times , just to hear and see the car's #'s (dont care about peak hp , just the curves) , and the track just to hear it and se it legally , this way he doesnt risk anyone in getting us a vid clip

Group hug guys!

http://www.image-hosting.net/images/messageboard/MeentSS02/Barney.JPG

If you wanted this to be for just you and didnt want all the questions and requests, why the hell did you post it step by step for the whole forum to witness and see? Delete this thread and don't start anymore since no one but you paid for this setup and it is all yours. Oh wait how can you get attention then though. :jest:

Never said I minded questions and request and I've answered every one but one. Let's see, people learned about the bad intake, fuel rail problems, injector issues, how much was milled to get to the compression we wanted. I've answered questions about the valves and valve springs, valve drop, head gaskets for the L92 heads, and a host of other issues that we encountered on the build - good and bad.

There are people here who enjoyed following the build. If you didn't, turn the f'ng chanel.

Group hug guys!

http://www.image-hosting.net/images/messageboard/MeentSS02/Barney.JPG
:lol: :lol: :lol:

You know the thread has really gone downhill when Barney shows up :)

So, I stopped reading this a few pages ago, and it's not even a long thread.

Is there any technical information in this thread? I could really give a shit less about cam specs, but if there is nothing technical in this thread, i.e., dyno numbers or track times or something useful like pushrod length for use as a ballpark for us shadetree mechanics, then this should be moved to a lounge somewhere so people can fight about whether the sky is blue.

Well, this is a very interesting study in human behaviour if anything. It's interesting to see the reactions of both people who are pro and con on divulging cam specs.

Honestly it all depends on where you are coming from, and at the same time says a lot about you to potential vendors. Trust me if a vendor can prevent from selling to some of the people in this thread because it will be all headaches and whining they will. Then again most guys who are the better customers trust people and how they run their shops to do what is right for them. In the end that's what they BOTH want. Lord knows I choose who I want to work with, not the other way around. (maybe my personal policies reflect this as well, hmmmm)

I've worked with everyone from individuals such as Kevin to race engine builders and head porters on cams and valvetrains. Some guys reguardless if it's a high 300's FLYWHEEL circle track motor or a monster 1000hp drag motor will not tell you cam specs. Other shops who have VERY good names will never ever sell to you again if you let another shop open up "their" motor, due to a lot of "SECRETS" that are just given up when you do so.

That could be and has been the difference in going from a winning season to a losing season, by having the right guy build OR NOT build your motor. (or chassis)

Some places like Reher Morrison will give you the cam specs to every motor they make for sportsman racing. I've even seen them publish Pro Stock cam specs. There are also guys like Erik Koenig who teach at SAM that cams aren't a secret.... I respect them for doing all of that, but even these guys will tell you that the LS world Is WAY TO WRAPED UP IN SPECS and doesn't care about performance as much as the numbers on the card or in their sig.

The funny part is I haven't seen any of this put a new view on ANY cams that are readily available to you guys, and it never will. The only guy out there who is doing anything different than the normal is Futral because they use a different place to grind their cams than everyone else. There are other shops but you don't hear as much about them as you would the F13, G5X4, TRex or MS4 or whatever threads that constantly clutter the bandwidth daily. For the most part everything is a combination of LSK, XE-R etc... lobes on a 112 LSA +/- 2° with varing philosophies on the amount of split and pretty much a similar IVC. You really can't screw up much with a intake manifold that has that much runner length in this RPM band, but man I do see a lot of stuff that gets smoked by a stock cam from idle to 4500rpm and people call these driveable and "fun" to use daily. Give me a break. That's only usefull for bragging rights on who makes the most rwhp AND drag racing with huge converters..... but in the end that's what sells more parts and STROKES egos.

I guess all of this also has a place since if what makes a guy happy is that his motor makes a magic number on a dyno, he spent that much money he should get those results that everyone else tries to achive. He might drive the car to work a bunch less, not take his wife out in the car because she doesn't like the bucking and lopey idle or might not drive it long trips in the summer.... that's his sacrafice for having that "number" that makes him feel good relative to other guys on the internet. If you want to stick to that same game, then you have all the tools here to do so.

One bad thing about our country is that we are infatuated with money and bling.... and in the end all that adds up to is numbers.... which is why cam specs and peak HP numbers are all that matters here.... so that guys can fill up their sigs with something. Hell lets start putting up bank account numbers and measurements of our cocks (or breast sizes for the other sex) in the sigs here, it would be about as meaningfull.

There is a great section here for the drag racing guys who care about ET numbers, which in reality do count a bunch more than peak rwhp numbers, but not as much as beating the guy in the lane NEXT to them, not across the country. Then again the other half of the board is interested in what gets them around the block faster or gets their heart pumping on the way to work everyday.

Enjoy your life and your car for what YOU want it to be, not what you think or feel makes others admire you more. In the end running your life (or shop) the way you want to is the key in the long run. Hell if we all did this then there would be less "shops" with pimped out shop cars paid for with other peoples money and parts that was ripped off of them and a big mess is left for the board to clean up.

Otherwise, STFU and stop jamming your view of meaningless BS down everyones throat.... and if you want to learn about cam specs GO OPEN A BOOK/WEBSITE AND READ, buy some cams, build a motor or two and run them on the dyno and track. Untill then STOP CRYING, I'll teach you how to fish but I'm not casting the line in the ocean for you!

Bret

This is a Classic.

A whole lot said in a few short paragraphs.

There should be someplace to sticky this. :D

Let's see WKMCD is one of the first to build this motor and post about it in an open forum. He hires someone to help design the motor and pays him with his own hard earned money. He shares every aspect of the build except one. Now many people have thier panties in a bunch because he will not share his cam specs. Boo freakin Hoo. It is his choice not to. I would be willing to bet that half of the people crying would do the exact same thing if they were in his position. Where does it say total disclosure is required? I feel he has been more then fair in what he has done. There is a very simple solution to this. Wipe the layer of dust off of your checkbook and pay someone to design a cam for your motor.

Now has there been some pompousity of some involved? Yes there has, but it is warranted becuase it is his cash on the line if it does not work. Also, one can only be hounded for so long before they lash back.

I know I have learned from his sharing of information. I may have to contact Bret and pay him to design a cam for the specific needs I want from my motor. Mine requirements would be different then most on this site because I am building my car for more road coarse and auto-x usage.

All I want to know is where is the secret cam specs boo hoo smiley at?

Bret

I can help all you guys out by telling you that the l92 heads are no better than well ported stock heads or aftermarket head. I have already tried this settup and was not impressed. I got 415 rwhp on automatic car with loose convertor unlocked. Just read the article in gm high tech this month. They picked up about 44 horse power verses stock heads. Well the same amount can be picked up with AFR heads. This l92 stuff is way overrated.

what did everyone expect? 650 rwhp through a 4400 stall and 22 inch rims? theyre $800 heads from a truck, c'mon guys. i think the thing that caught most peoples attention was the value, not some rediculous dyno sheet. i wouldnt mind if you deleted the thread WKMCD...congrtats to everyone involved in the build. one more satisfied customer. :chug:

They picked up about 44 horse power verses stock heads. Well the same amount can be picked up with AFR heads. This l92 stuff is way overrated.

I agree totally. Why would you want L92 heads for $800 and a complete intake for $500 when you could spend $3500 on AFR's with a FAST 90 and get the same thing. What are people thinking!

-Geoff (Resident Cheap Bastard)

All I want to know is where is the secret cam specs boo hoo smiley at?

Bret
i think youre looking for :gtfo: :jest:

First off I didn't really have a problem with you not sharing the cam specs until this crap. I also have a problem with how you responded to everyone. Ultimately what you seem to be doing (which is clear to me), seems like bullshit. LS1Tech, my guess is that the tech part in the name means technical as in technical information.

LOL now that's funny, you CAN'T share your opinion on a sponsors products if you have a educated opinion, so why should someone give out free info???? There is no way that this place is a FREE sharing of information and opinions and never will be if anyone is paying to "sponsor" here.

Here's my question for you and seeing as how it isn't some secret cam spec here it is. Are you a sponsor for this board? No, you're not. You do not provide any money on this sight to advertise at all. By posting threads like this with no technical data you're basically advertising for free. This thread is basically Bret Bauer gave me what I wanted so you should go give him your business and let him build your car.

So using this forum for free R&D by getting free cam specs is ok?

Yes, it is. They're plenty of people on here that are extremely well educated in cam selection, PatrickG and PredatorZ for example. They help people out here all the time with calculations and don't ask for a penny.

Anyone who uses this place for free R&D is a moron, period.

I joined this sight with almost zero knowledge of gen III and IV engines. I know that I've used this sight to research all sorts of technical data and develop my interest. According to you I'm a moron and without morons like me you'd have no business.

We could do like we did before and just give out bogus specs and you would all eat it up as gospel, nobody says that doesn't happen a lot.

That's a real contribution to the site, thanks. It's about as helpful as you bashing TSP's l92 heads and not saying why. All that does is just make you sound like an asshole who's upset because someone might put out a better product than you. It also goes back to my point of you just using this place to leach business away from paying sponsors. TSP's heads suck, but I won't tell you why, come buy mine.

This place is an anomaly in the world of engines, where cam specs matter more than performance or engine output not to mention the average torque output, idle quality and drivabily. :rolleyes:

Bret

That's why people want to know about the specs. These specs will give people a general idea of what makes the power, or what idles well, what's drivable, what makes the most average power, etc. That's especially important in something so new like this. You're basically holding back the whole development of this new technology because you see that it might hurt you're market. What if on the other hand what you released helped spawn off something even better that you could then contribute to and develop, thus returning the market to you?

Agreed, but saying a vendor (who by definition PAYS the administration of the site to provide all of us with the information we all read on a daily basis) deserves to be kicked off the site because they are protecting their own intellectual property should not be ignored.

That's my point exactly, Bret Bauer isn't a sponsor! I'm not saying he deserves to be kicked off, but shit like this is pointless. This thread contains no technical data. All it is is a thread for one of Bret Bauer's customers to say how great his car is and say go to Bret, he got me what I wanted. All it does it drum up business for a nonsponsor who's leaching off of this site and providing nothing (as of this thread) in return. Not to mention the other thread with actual technical knowledge that we could all look back on was deleted and replaced with this crap.

Here's a prime example:
I know I have learned from his sharing of information. I may have to contact Bret and pay him to design a cam for the specific needs I want from my motor. Mine requirements would be different then most on this site because I am building my car for more road coarse and auto-x usage.

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If you wanted this to be for just you and didnt want all the questions and requests, why the hell did you post it step by step for the whole forum to witness and see? Delete this thread and don't start anymore since no one but you paid for this setup and it is all yours. Oh wait how can you get attention then though. :jest:

Yahtzee!

Never said I minded questions and request and I've answered every one but one. Let's see, people learned about the bad intake, fuel rail problems, injector issues, how much was milled to get to the compression we wanted. I've answered questions about the valves and valve springs, valve drop, head gaskets for the L92 heads, and a host of other issues that we encountered on the build - good and bad.

I refer you to your own post earlier.

I deleted the first one after it took the same BS turn this one did. I think SOME people are starting to "get it".

Yeah, you answered all the questions. Then deleted the answers only to post this bullshit.

Yep it's all about arrogance.

You ever read your own sig?

"Without question, the most common mistake in racing is to buy parts impulsively without having a clear vision of where you want to end up. The result is often a pile of mismatched pieces that will never work together properly." - David Reher

So why don't you practice what you preach instead of posting useless garbage like this?

What should happen here is this thread should be locked and the other one if at all possible reopened. That one actually contained useful information. All this one is is a big adverstisement for Bret Bauer.

i think youre looking for :gtfo: :jest:

Now that's some funny shit, the new smilies at work.

I know it's not a smily, but the answer to the cam specs most obviously seems to be:
http://news.cpamerica.org/gray2/template/images/benjamins.gif

Glad to hear you are happy with the L92 combo, I figured it would be a big success. My guess would be that this motor makes awesome flat torque all the way across the powerband, which is how I would build it. Flat torque, not peak horsepower is what makes a happy streetcar.

Congrats to all those involved in this project, and shame on you other's acting like 5 year old kids on the playground.

The only people that would benefit from having cam specs released are those in the market of selling cams...with how few of these combo's there are out there giving away your recipe is a dumb move, and I agree with their choice to with-hold that information.

Here's my question for you and seeing as how it isn't some secret cam spec here it is. Are you a sponsor for this board? No, you're not. You do not provide any money on this sight to advertise at all. By posting threads like this with no technical data you're basically advertising for free. This thread is basically Bret Bauer gave me what I wanted so you should go give him your business and let him build your car.

:eek2: :eek2:

I can help all you guys out by telling you that the l92 heads are no better than well ported stock heads or aftermarket head. I have already tried this settup and was not impressed. I got 415 rwhp on automatic car with loose convertor unlocked. Just read the article in gm high tech this month. They picked up about 44 horse power verses stock heads. Well the same amount can be picked up with AFR heads. This l92 stuff is way overrated.
you had the wrong cam and wrong size headers, also a bad 02 sensor, theres alot ot be said about your combo

As you can see, my panties are bunched up waiting for the video! :moon:

Kevin,

Congrats on a project that is working out. I'm happy that you got what you wanted. :drive:

Bob K.

First off I didn't really have a problem with you not sharing the cam specs until this crap. I also have a problem with how you responded to everyone. Ultimately what you seem to be doing (which is clear to me), seems like bullshit. LS1Tech, my guess is that the tech part in the name means technical as in technical information.


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Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
LOL now that's funny, you CAN'T share your opinion on a sponsors products if you have a educated opinion, so why should someone give out free info???? There is no way that this place is a FREE sharing of information and opinions and never will be if anyone is paying to "sponsor" here.



Here's my question for you and seeing as how it isn't some secret cam spec here it is. Are you a sponsor for this board? No, you're not. You do not provide any money on this sight to advertise at all. By posting threads like this with no technical data you're basically advertising for free. This thread is basically Bret Bauer gave me what I wanted so you should go give him your business and let him build your car.


Quote:
Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
So using this forum for free R&D by getting free cam specs is ok?



Yes, it is. They're plenty of people on here that are extremely well educated in cam selection, PatrickG and PredatorZ for example. They help people out here all the time with calculations and don't ask for a penny.


Quote:
Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
Anyone who uses this place for free R&D is a moron, period.



I joined this sight with almost zero knowledge of gen III and IV engines. I know that I've used this sight to research all sorts of technical data and develop my interest. According to you I'm a moron and without morons like me you'd have no business.


Quote:
Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
We could do like we did before and just give out bogus specs and you would all eat it up as gospel, nobody says that doesn't happen a lot.



That's a real contribution to the site, thanks. It's about as helpful as you bashing TSP's l92 heads and not saying why. All that does is just make you sound like an asshole who's upset because someone might put out a better product than you. It also goes back to my point of you just using this place to leach business away from paying sponsors. TSP's heads suck, but I won't tell you why, come buy mine.


Quote:
Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
This place is an anomaly in the world of engines, where cam specs matter more than performance or engine output not to mention the average torque output, idle quality and drivabily.

Bret



That's why people want to know about the specs. These specs will give people a general idea of what makes the power, or what idles well, what's drivable, what makes the most average power, etc. That's especially important in something so new like this. You're basically holding back the whole development of this new technology because you see that it might hurt you're market. What if on the other hand what you released helped spawn off something even better that you could then contribute to and develop, thus returning the market to you?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Good Doctor
Agreed, but saying a vendor (who by definition PAYS the administration of the site to provide all of us with the information we all read on a daily basis) deserves to be kicked off the site because they are protecting their own intellectual property should not be ignored.



That's my point exactly, Bret Bauer isn't a sponsor! I'm not saying he deserves to be kicked off, but shit like this is pointless. This thread contains no technical data. All it is is a thread for one of Bret Bauer's customers to say how great his car is and say go to Bret, he got me what I wanted. All it does it drum up business for a nonsponsor who's leaching off of this site and providing nothing (as of this thread) in return. Not to mention the other thread with actual technical knowledge that we could all look back on was deleted and replaced with this crap.

Here's a prime example:

Quote:
Originally Posted by brianz
I know I have learned from his sharing of information. I may have to contact Bret and pay him to design a cam for the specific needs I want from my motor. Mine requirements would be different then most on this site because I am building my car for more road coarse and auto-x usage.



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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue02Ws6
If you wanted this to be for just you and didnt want all the questions and requests, why the hell did you post it step by step for the whole forum to witness and see? Delete this thread and don't start anymore since no one but you paid for this setup and it is all yours. Oh wait how can you get attention then though.



Yahtzee!


Quote:
Originally Posted by WKMCD
Never said I minded questions and request and I've answered every one but one. Let's see, people learned about the bad intake, fuel rail problems, injector issues, how much was milled to get to the compression we wanted. I've answered questions about the valves and valve springs, valve drop, head gaskets for the L92 heads, and a host of other issues that we encountered on the build - good and bad.



I refer you to your own post earlier.


Quote:
Originally Posted by WKMCD
I deleted the first one after it took the same BS turn this one did. I think SOME people are starting to "get it".



Yeah, you answered all the questions. Then deleted the answers only to post this bullshit.


Quote:
Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
Yep it's all about arrogance.



You ever read your own sig?


Quote:
Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
"Without question, the most common mistake in racing is to buy parts impulsively without having a clear vision of where you want to end up. The result is often a pile of mismatched pieces that will never work together properly." - David Reher



So why don't you practice what you preach instead of posting useless garbage like this?

What should happen here is this thread should be locked and the other one if at all possible reopened. That one actually contained useful information. All this one is is a big adverstisement for Bret Bauer.







Well said, in addition, the only results that this secret bauer cam works is from an assometer. No dyno and no e.t.'s. If you saw any of bauers previous posts on what he "thinks" will work with these heads, it's no secret on the cam specs. As a matter of fact, and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, this is the first cam he's spec'd for the L92's...... Why is it everyone thinks he hit a homerun first time out??? Just because some guy going from a 346 to 400+ engine is mesmorized by the TQ. Duh......... I'm sure it makes a ton of power over your old 346, it should, it's not by accident, nor is it the secret cam or heads. If you ask 10 cam grinders to spec you a cam, you're going to get 10 different recipes, are they all wrong? No, and I'm sure they will most likely all be in the ballpark, all the engines will make power and the grinders will error on the more conservative side, knowing damn well most people are idiots when it comes to cam choice.

Bauer does make a good point, it's time to start hitting the books or whatever and learn this stuff instead of relying on pompus, passive aggressive mystical cam guru's.
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Here is a video of the car that "Willfulone" (a friend of WKMCD) made.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v478/Flyerpenn/?action=view&current=KevinsMonster4022.flv

Can't wait to see numbers. Congrats on the build Kevin :cheers:

Here is a video WKMCD posted over on CF.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v478/Flyerpenn/?action=view&current=KevinsMonster4022.flv

Can't wait to see numbers. Congrats on the build Kevin :cheers:
is this a teaser trailor wheres the real vid with him gettin on it :drive: :jest:
sounds good

BTW: Ive been watching this thread http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1521569&page=7
for weeks glad everything worked out.

You guys are agueing over these cam specs like this car just made 600 rwhp. All you have to go on is they way he "describes" how the car feels. Who is to say it's working effortlessly? Hell, he may be comparing it to a Pinto for all we know. All we can gather from this is that: A) The car will crank B) The car moves C) It will out run a stock car. Even if the cam specs were divulged, they would be mearley pointless at this time. There's just not enough info here to warrant all this hype. If you guys need a cam that will do A,B, and C above, shoot me a PM. I can deffinatlly handle that for you.I'll reinerate my earlier post. Ya'll are still argueing about nothing. This post has no information in it whatsoever. If they don't want to dyno to even see what the power looks like, then continue to let them slap each other on butt for a job well done, to them. The only let down to the is whole ordeal, is that people have been waiting on results from the L92 combo. WKMCD has been talking about this combo for well over a month now, but when it's finally done, he does nothing with it. Do I care, not really, but it is a bit dissapointing. You talk about the money spent, but how many other 408 guys post up there specs/HP levels? I guarunte that I've spent 3-4 times as much of my hard earned money on my combo and I don't mind telling cam specs or dyno numbers. If there was info in the other thread that could be of value to consumers using the L92 combo, I vote for that thread to be opened back up and this one to be closed. This is nothing more than a thhread to let us know you have a running car, well, so do thousands of other F-body owners. Not trying to be a dick, but that's the bottom line. :judge:

...This post has no information in it whatsoever. If they don't want to dyno to even see what the power looks like, then continue to let them slap each other on butt for a job well done... This is nothing more than a thhread to let us know you have a running car, well, so do thousands of other F-body owners. Not trying to be a dick, but that's the bottom line...

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Tech has dried up on this thread. JakeFusion put it best. It's time to start a new thread once there are some technical results from an L92/L76 conversion. :)