I want just a bit more grunt
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I want just a bit more grunt
I primarily autocross and attend an HPDE maybe once a year. In autocross, I shift into 2nd gear early most times because 1st gear is unusable due to lack of traction. But 2nd gear is a bit anemic in the lower RPM's. So I'm trying to add some useable power.
- I've got 3.73's, and my rev limit is 7200. I don't want to install shorter gears and cause more shifting, thus reducing top speed in each gear
- I'm open to switching cams, but I've had lots of pain with broken valvesprings in the past and am not convinced I can get the grunt I want without replacing valvesprings annually as a result of a cam which is too aggressive
- I considered a 383ci LS1 or L92/L76 combo briefly, but traction would be an even bigger issue
I feel I must replace my Grot headers due to the cracks inside the collector and wanting accurate wbo2 readings. I haven't really narrowed down why I should pick ARH/QTP/Kooks, but it'd be sweet if Louis got those LGM headers finished
So short of gears, what's the best bang for the buck? I'm not against installing a ported Fast 90 & NW 90 TB, but (when Search works) there's discussion of how radical a heads/cam needs to be to make the Fast90 expenditure worthwhile. I'm also wondering if paying 2-3x for a 'Mamofied' Fast 90 porting is worth it over another sponsors porting.
I've got CNC'd '98 heads so they're not state of the art - and in fact they have been repaired a few times (see valvespring concerns earlier). I'm not even sure if my cam is 'big enough' to be worthwhile for the Fast 90. The cam is a 228/228/575/575 114LSA.
I'm am going through oil much faster the last two months than previously noted, but am trying to isolate the issue. That was a tangent to justifying a different block.
- I've got 3.73's, and my rev limit is 7200. I don't want to install shorter gears and cause more shifting, thus reducing top speed in each gear
- I'm open to switching cams, but I've had lots of pain with broken valvesprings in the past and am not convinced I can get the grunt I want without replacing valvesprings annually as a result of a cam which is too aggressive
- I considered a 383ci LS1 or L92/L76 combo briefly, but traction would be an even bigger issue
I feel I must replace my Grot headers due to the cracks inside the collector and wanting accurate wbo2 readings. I haven't really narrowed down why I should pick ARH/QTP/Kooks, but it'd be sweet if Louis got those LGM headers finished
So short of gears, what's the best bang for the buck? I'm not against installing a ported Fast 90 & NW 90 TB, but (when Search works) there's discussion of how radical a heads/cam needs to be to make the Fast90 expenditure worthwhile. I'm also wondering if paying 2-3x for a 'Mamofied' Fast 90 porting is worth it over another sponsors porting.
I've got CNC'd '98 heads so they're not state of the art - and in fact they have been repaired a few times (see valvespring concerns earlier). I'm not even sure if my cam is 'big enough' to be worthwhile for the Fast 90. The cam is a 228/228/575/575 114LSA.
I'm am going through oil much faster the last two months than previously noted, but am trying to isolate the issue. That was a tangent to justifying a different block.
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Id try a cam biased toward morw low end tq. 228/232 on a 110+2 makes serious tq down low and carries the power all the way to 6500. Its on xer lobes so valve spring replacement wont need to happen but once every couple years w/ a good set of dual springs.
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Originally Posted by cenTX-LS1
Id try a cam biased toward morw low end tq. 228/232 on a 110+2 makes serious tq down low and carries the power all the way to 6500. Its on xer lobes so valve spring replacement wont need to happen but once every couple years w/ a good set of dual springs.
Hey, this is what i'm actually thinking about for my car, can you tell me more about this spec cam? Who would you have grind it?
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With my setup 2nd gear is FAR from anemic. I have AFR 205s milled for ~11.34 CR and am using the thinner cometic .040 gaskets. My cam is similar to yours, 228/230 114+1. I do however have 4.10s, but my 2nd gear is stout as hell.
BTW, taking it to 7200 seems too high. Mine peaks at 6400 and I have found the best results having the shift lite set to 6700, so the actual shift is made a bit after that, but I do shift rather quick. I gained over the 6600 setting and at 6900 it slowed down.
Good luck with your setup.
BTW, taking it to 7200 seems too high. Mine peaks at 6400 and I have found the best results having the shift lite set to 6700, so the actual shift is made a bit after that, but I do shift rather quick. I gained over the 6600 setting and at 6900 it slowed down.
Good luck with your setup.
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I wouldn't consider my setup the proper combination. Used shortblock which included a 'nitrous' cam mated with '98 ported heads which have been repaired 2-3 times.
I run it to 7200 because a) my bottom end allows me and b) I've always believed in using torque multiplication to justify when to shift. i.e., if final gear ratio X tranny gear ratio X torque is higher than it is after shifting, why shift?
I run it to 7200 because a) my bottom end allows me and b) I've always believed in using torque multiplication to justify when to shift. i.e., if final gear ratio X tranny gear ratio X torque is higher than it is after shifting, why shift?
#12
After much thought, I'm close to pulling the trigger on this combo, with much selection help from Patrick G. This is my checklist so far:
I'm paranoid about leaking Cometics, but I'd rather pay $220 for the lifters than $240 for the ARP bolts. Comments or corrections? I may yet tack on new QTP's and engine mounts while down there.
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Part No. Qty Description 1 Patrick G Custom cam 199-PRC2.55.3 1 PRC 220cc 5.3L Stage 2.5 CNC Ported Heads (2.02 intake, 61cc) 88958689 1 GM CTS-V Racing lifters 99-PR7400 1 Chrome-Moly Pushrods, 7.400" (kit) 119-C5475-040 2 Cometic MLS Cylinder Head Gasket,LS1 Engine, .040 thickness, 3.910 bore (sold individually) 12498545 2 GM Head bolt kit 72-M9593B302 1 Ford Motorsport Fuel Injectors, 30 lb. 12586482 8 NGK TR6 spark plugs 12570427 1 LH Center-bolt valve cover 12582224 1 RH center-bolt valve cover 12560696 1 Valve cover gasket kit 12577215 8 Valve cover bolts 12563288 2 Ignition coil bracket 12561244 1 Front engine seal 12554211 1 Ignition coil bracket stud
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If you plan on swapping heads more than once, the ARP head stud kit is something worth considering since they're completely re-usable...can't say that about the factory torque-to-yield bolts. If your motor has a lot of miles, then a fresh set of lifters is money well invested.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2018 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 Pat G tuned.
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#14
I don't plan on swapping heads again (I've had this set for almost 8 years). The Comp OEM lifters are at most 2 years old, maybe 10-15K miles. I'd only be swapping them if the proposed .6xx lift will be too much for them.
Are the Mr. Gasket head gaskets the only alternative .04x gasket available? I'm really leaning towards a 59cc chamber and OEM gaskets. I'm also going to skip the injectors for now.
Are the Mr. Gasket head gaskets the only alternative .04x gasket available? I'm really leaning towards a 59cc chamber and OEM gaskets. I'm also going to skip the injectors for now.
#16
Well, Comp doesn't recommend using the 850-16 lifters with the LSK lobes with .600+ lift. They say if I turn any serious kind of RPM I'll hurt the lifters. They recommended their R lifters, which doesn't appear to have good reputation, around here at least.
#17
Originally Posted by JimMueller
I primarily autocross and attend an HPDE maybe once a year. In autocross, I shift into 2nd gear early most times because 1st gear is unusable due to lack of traction. But 2nd gear is a bit anemic in the lower RPM's. So I'm trying to add some useable power.
- I've got 3.73's, and my rev limit is 7200. I don't want to install shorter gears and cause more shifting, thus reducing top speed in each gear
- I'm open to switching cams, but I've had lots of pain with broken valvesprings in the past and am not convinced I can get the grunt I want without replacing valvesprings annually as a result of a cam which is too aggressive
- I considered a 383ci LS1 or L92/L76 combo briefly, but traction would be an even bigger issue
I feel I must replace my Grot headers due to the cracks inside the collector and wanting accurate wbo2 readings. I haven't really narrowed down why I should pick ARH/QTP/Kooks, but it'd be sweet if Louis got those LGM headers finished
So short of gears, what's the best bang for the buck? I'm not against installing a ported Fast 90 & NW 90 TB, but (when Search works) there's discussion of how radical a heads/cam needs to be to make the Fast90 expenditure worthwhile. I'm also wondering if paying 2-3x for a 'Mamofied' Fast 90 porting is worth it over another sponsors porting.
I've got CNC'd '98 heads so they're not state of the art - and in fact they have been repaired a few times (see valvespring concerns earlier). I'm not even sure if my cam is 'big enough' to be worthwhile for the Fast 90. The cam is a 228/228/575/575 114LSA.
I'm am going through oil much faster the last two months than previously noted, but am trying to isolate the issue. That was a tangent to justifying a different block.
- I've got 3.73's, and my rev limit is 7200. I don't want to install shorter gears and cause more shifting, thus reducing top speed in each gear
- I'm open to switching cams, but I've had lots of pain with broken valvesprings in the past and am not convinced I can get the grunt I want without replacing valvesprings annually as a result of a cam which is too aggressive
- I considered a 383ci LS1 or L92/L76 combo briefly, but traction would be an even bigger issue
I feel I must replace my Grot headers due to the cracks inside the collector and wanting accurate wbo2 readings. I haven't really narrowed down why I should pick ARH/QTP/Kooks, but it'd be sweet if Louis got those LGM headers finished
So short of gears, what's the best bang for the buck? I'm not against installing a ported Fast 90 & NW 90 TB, but (when Search works) there's discussion of how radical a heads/cam needs to be to make the Fast90 expenditure worthwhile. I'm also wondering if paying 2-3x for a 'Mamofied' Fast 90 porting is worth it over another sponsors porting.
I've got CNC'd '98 heads so they're not state of the art - and in fact they have been repaired a few times (see valvespring concerns earlier). I'm not even sure if my cam is 'big enough' to be worthwhile for the Fast 90. The cam is a 228/228/575/575 114LSA.
I'm am going through oil much faster the last two months than previously noted, but am trying to isolate the issue. That was a tangent to justifying a different block.
#19
Originally Posted by JimMueller
Well, Comp doesn't recommend using the 850-16 lifters with the LSK lobes with .600+ lift. They say if I turn any serious kind of RPM I'll hurt the lifters. They recommended their R lifters, which doesn't appear to have good reputation, around here at least.
#20
When I blew my head gasket, the water pump was upgraded to the LS2 version. Are those gaskets re-useable?
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Part No. Qty Description 1 Patrick G Custom cam 199-PRC2.55.3 1 PRC 220cc 5.3L Stage 2.5 Heads (2.02 intake, 59cc) 88958689 1 GM CTS-V Racing lifters (kit) 1 Chrome-Moly Pushrods, 7.400" (kit) (may have now) 1 GM head gasket set 1 ARP head bolts (kit) 8 NGK TR6 spark plugs (.045 gap) 12570427 1 LH Center-bolt valve cover 12582224 1 RH center-bolt valve cover 12560696 1 Valve cover gasket kit 12577215 8 Valve cover bolts 12563288 2 Ignition coil bracket 12561244 1 Front engine seal 12554211 1 Ignition coil bracket stud