Holden Performance - Aussie Ford Falcon

By the by, what motor does that falcon have. C.I.D. etc? :wavey:

Not sure which particular Falcon you are referring to.

Ford (Aust) uses a 4 litre (244cuin) straight 6 and a 5.4 litre ( 329cuin) V8 in many different guises.

The 6 can be had as
a) 190kW (255hp), 383Nm (282ftlbs)
b) 245kw (328hp), 480Nm (354ftlbs) Turbo
c) 270kw (362hp), 550Nm (405ftlbs) F6 Typhoon (Turbo)

The V8 can be had as
d) 230kW (308hp), 500Nm (368ftlbs)
e) 260kW (348hp), Quadcam
f) 290kW (389hp), 520Nm (383ftlbs) Quadcam

http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=DFY/AU
http://www.fpv.com.au/index.aspx

I had a BA XR8 Falcon manual with Lts,cats removed,high flow exhausts,K&N,power pipe and piggy back and it was about 240kws at the wheels on the dyno tourqe was about 650nms though so it was real fun to drive and sounded great. I raced a lot of different cars in that thing and only really lost to a few.In some ways I really miss that car.

I had a BA XR8 Falcon manual with Lts,cats removed,high flow exhausts,K&N,power pipe and piggy back and it was about 240kws at the wheels on the dyno tourqe was about 650nms though so it was real fun to drive and sounded great. I raced a lot of different cars in that thing and only really lost to a few.In some ways I really miss that car.

What the hell is ( kws & nms ) horsepower & torque I suppose. Is that at the rear wheels ? :chug: Oh, and one other thing. Why do ALL Ford V8's sound so much better than GM's small or big blocks ? :huh:

What the hell is ( kws & nms ) horsepower & torque I suppose. Is that at the rear wheels ? :chug: Oh, and one other thing. Why do ALL Ford V8's sound so much better than GM's small or big blocks ? :huh:

Metric system ways to measure work and torque, respectively.

When I was down in Oz I decided in my brief time one simple thing about Aussies and cars: They will try anything.

Turbo falcon is a fun ride, once you get over the fact you are on the
wrong side of the road. :eyes:

Yes it was at the wheels, I think 240kws means about 330rwhp but I dont know what the nm/TQ number is in American anyone else know?

What the hell is ( kws & nms ) horsepower & torque I suppose. Is that at the rear wheels ? :chug: Oh, and one other thing. Why do ALL Ford V8's sound so much better than GM's small or big blocks ? :huh:

Ford V8's sound better due to running less compression and a more conventional firing order

Ford V8's sound better due to running less compression and a more conventional firing order


Didn't GM just change the firing order on their V8 engines to that of the Ford Windsor because of some kind of horse power advantage ? Also GM is moving the distributor to the front of the NASCAR engines, like the Fords ! :eek2: :D :zzz: :poke: :kiss:

Why do ALL Ford V8's sound so much better than GM's small or big blocks ? :huh:

dont know what fords your listening to but with the right exhaust nothing can beat the sound of a chevy, big or small blocks

Compare an LS1 to a 5.4 DOHC and there is no contest the Ford sound sooo much better.

Not sure which particular Falcon you are referring to.

Ford (Aust) uses a 4 litre (244cuin) straight 6 and a 5.4 litre ( 329cuin) V8 in many different guises.

The 6 can be had as
a) 190kW (255hp), 383Nm (282ftlbs)
b) 245kw (328hp), 480Nm (354ftlbs) Turbo
c) 270kw (362hp), 550Nm (405ftlbs) F6 Typhoon (Turbo)

The V8 can be had as
d) 230kW (308hp), 500Nm (368ftlbs)
e) 260kW (348hp), Quadcam
f) 290kW (389hp), 520Nm (383ftlbs) Quadcam

http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=DFY/AU
http://www.fpv.com.au/index.aspx

So d) is based on the Windsor pushrod (5.0) architecture, or is it a 2 valve per cyl./OHC mod motor??

you guys get a lot of cool cars....

So d) is based on the Windsor pushrod (5.0) architecture, or is it a 2 valve per cyl./OHC mod motor??


Produced in Ford's Windsor plant in Canada, the Barra 230 V8 boasts VCT variable camshaft timing on each camshaft per bank as well as three valves per cylinder, electronic throttle control, failsafe cooling system and unique, Australian-designed inlet and exhaust manifolds.
Reddington said the extra power and torque were by-products of employing additional hardware to improve the knock sensing capability.
"The engine was designed to power the new range of F-Series trucks in the US and always delivered good low-down torque.
"The addition of two knock sensors allows for a more aggressive ignition calibration with the variable camshaft timing and a greater degree of spark advance.

Produced in Ford's Windsor plant in Canada, the Barra 230 V8 boasts VCT variable camshaft timing on each camshaft per bank as well as three valves per cylinder, electronic throttle control, failsafe cooling system and unique, Australian-designed inlet and exhaust manifolds.
Reddington said the extra power and torque were by-products of employing additional hardware to improve the knock sensing capability.
"The engine was designed to power the new range of F-Series trucks in the US and always delivered good low-down torque.
"The addition of two knock sensors allows for a more aggressive ignition calibration with the variable camshaft timing and a greater degree of spark advance.

Oh, OK. So you Ozzies don't have any more currently in production Ford pushrod motors, just like us, right?

Think the last pushrod motors used were 5.6 litre (stroked 302 Windsors) in the Series 3 TE50 back about 2002.

But one advantage you Yanks have is price, an AVERAGE Falacon Dohc car(XR8) or Comodore SS/Manaro(Goat)Ls1/Ls2 car costs as much as A new Shelby GT500 about 50,000 bucks and the biggest joke is a FPV Falcon or HSV Comodore cost about the same as a Z06 corvette go figure? I would rather have a ZO6 or GT500 than a Iron block Falcon or bush car(comodore) anyday haha.
For those who dont know FPV or HSV are the Australian performance branches for Australia Ford and GM like SVT is to USA Ford or AMG is to Benz etc.

Ford V8's sound better due to running less compression and a more conventional firing order

im yet to hear an xr8 or gt that sounds better than an ls1 or ls2

Formula for kw to hp 1kw=1.346hp, 1Nm=1.34ftlb

Formula for kw to hp 1kw=1.346hp, 1Nm=1.34ftlb

Sorry I meant 1Nm=.736ftlb:bang:

Cool!Thanks GTO BOY thats good to know that formula but which KW rating is that DIN or the other GM uses one and Ford uses the other.:bang:

Cool!Thanks GTO BOY thats good to know that formula but which KW rating is that DIN or the other GM uses one and Ford uses the other.:bang:

im pretty sure ford use din and holden have switched to that recently also

That cant be right otherwise those clubbys & R8s etc that have 307kws on the back of them would have got their jump in power from just the changing to DIN rating and I am sure a little more was done than that right? Or just another way Aussie Ford and Holden rob their customers with their overpriced and overweight bush cars.
HSVs and FPVs should never be ZO6 money and XR8s and SS should never be GT500 money! I dont know how the dealers look their loyal customers in the face.
At least Dick Turpin wore a mask!

You would be surpised to what extent they go through,to counter monopolise
the sale,for instance if you want to buy a brand new ve and you want to have the nice beige leather interior,you cannot option that priviledge with any car except the ssv calais or statesman.:barf:

There was an independant dyno test between the 307 kw hsv
and 270kw ss commodore which saw the hsv attain a corrected and adjusted
298 kw compared to the ss commodores 293 kw engines output(which kw i cant say,however the direct comparison results have indeed quatified my suspicion going back many years from the time the vn commodore range was released back in the very late 80s about the hsv enhanced optioned engines
which till this day are proven to be a gimmick concept which promoted
the concept of more power to the wealthier community.
crudes as it is the concept works in sales promotions,you want the 400hp car
with the goodies then you must buy the hsv.
personally I prefer the ve ss over the top of the range hsv anyway.
+ for the brand new price tag $46,500 + xtras it remains virtually unchanged since 1995,but the hsvs are over $72k+ xtras au so assuming a rounded off
on road cost approx 25k difference in the price tag why are we paying 25k
more:confused:
unless i'm mistaken couldn't one buy a brand new f100 for under 20kus?
i like one of those:nod:

You would be surpised to what extent they go through,to counter monopolise
the sale,for instance if you want to buy a brand new ve and you want to have the nice beige leather interior,you cannot option that priviledge with any car except the ssv calais or statesman.:barf:

There was an independant dyno test between the 307 kw hsv
and 270kw ss commodore which saw the hsv attain a corrected and adjusted
298 kw compared to the ss commodores 293 kw engines output(which kw i cant say,however the direct comparison results have indeed quatified my suspicion going back many years from the time the vn commodore range was released back in the very late 80s about the hsv enhanced optioned engines
which till this day are proven to be a gimmick concept which promoted
the concept of more power to the wealthier community.
crudes as it is the concept works in sales promotions,you want the 400hp car
with the goodies then you must buy the hsv.
personally I prefer the ve ss over the top of the range hsv anyway.
+ for the brand new price tag $46,500 + xtras it remains virtually unchanged since 1995,but the hsvs are over $72k+ xtras au so assuming a rounded off
on road cost approx 25k difference in the price tag why are we paying 25k
more:confused:
unless i'm mistaken couldn't one buy a brand new f100 for under 20kus?
i like one of those:nod:

true, true...the l98 romps with a few mods
i would never buy an ls2 knowing the ls3 is coming

Nothing sounds sweeter then a 502 blown big block in a lx torana with 1300 hp at the wheels one wild ride for me

Ford V8's sound better due to running less compression and a more conventional firing orderI think it should be noted also that a number of later model GM performers, like the 4th gen F-bods and GTOs used a Y-pipe style exhaust....whereas Ford has maintained true duals on cars like the Mustang for some time. Bottle-necking the exhaust into a single muffer does tend to castrate the exhaust note a good bit.

The LS1 cars with true dual exhaust configs that I've seen in person can easily trump a well exhausted Mod motor in the sound department.

I had a BA XR8 Falcon manual with Lts,cats removed,high flow exhausts,K&N,power pipe and piggy back and it was about 240kws at the wheels on the dyno tourqe was about 650nms though so it was real fun to drive and sounded great. I raced a lot of different cars in that thing and only really lost to a few.In some ways I really miss that car.

What is a "piggy back " ..?????:confused:

For the people who have a brain

the reason why our cars dont sound as nice as the mustang is because we have a y pipe setup

and they run true dauls, my camaro sounded great with my true dauls dumped

What is a "piggy back " ..?????:confused:

Piggy backs in the states is like a low tech tuning device


And there NA mod motors are much better than ours



Aussie guys

The MOD ford motor in the states is known to be a lower out put engine, and kinda a POS when it comes to making NA hp like a Push rod can.

The MOD ford motor in the states is known to be a lower out put engine, and kinda a POS when it comes to making NA hp like a Push rod can.POS is kind of a strong word......unless we're referring to the 2V 4.6:D

There are NA 3V 4.6 Mustangs running low 12's no problem. That might not impress you OHV guys any, but thats not bad for no power adder on a sub 26K car.

The Y pipes are not the whole issue. Mine stock has duals front to back. The Fords just sound so much tuffer. No 4.6's for us. All are 5.4 with 99% of them being the quad cam variety. Similar to the Cobra R motor but the heads used in the Aussie cars were improved from the original design.

POS is kind of a strong word......unless we're referring to the 2V 4.6:D

There are NA 3V 4.6 Mustangs running low 12's no problem. That might not impress you OHV guys any, but thats not bad for no power adder on a sub 26K car.


Meh


Push Rods still go faster

Ford push rods, mopars,chevys etc blah blah

i actually test drove a ba xr8 ute and a te50 tonight for shits and giggles. not impressed at all. drove the te50 first which was a 5spd manual and the thing was a slug, the shifter was almost as bad as the shifter in my mums honda civic gli :eyes: thought i was going to brake it. clutch was crap, interior was crap. the xr was better but far from inspiring, it just felt big and heavy. if you want a fast ford get a xr6 turbo because the 8's are shite

The Y pipes are not the whole issue. Mine stock has duals front to back. The Fords just sound so much tuffer. No 4.6's for us. All are 5.4 with 99% of them being the quad cam variety. Similar to the Cobra R motor but the heads used in the Aussie cars were improved from the original design.

X2 . Exactly ! When Ford came out with their paltry little 4.6 ltr engine & the 5.4 V8 both with single & double overhead cammed I figured , well , so much for a really good sounding Ford V8 . No way these new engines would ever sound as good as their old pushrod motors. But to my amazement these new from scratch engines sounded just as good if not better. Fords have always cost more to make them run with Chevy's , but they still sound way better.

X2 . Exactly ! When Ford came out with their paltry little 4.6 ltr engine & the 5.4 V8 both with single & double overhead cammed I figured , well , so much for a really good sounding Ford V8 . No way these new engines would ever sound as good as their old pushrod motors. But to my amazement these new from scratch engines sounded just as good if not better. Fords have always cost more to make them run with Chevy's , but they still sound way better.

dreamin....

Meh


Push Rods still go faster

Ford push rods, mopars,chevys etc blah blahIt has nothing to do with one being faster than another, cuz that argument holds no water. It's just easier and cheaper to make an OHV faster.

None of you guys ever think that just MAYBE the fords sound better is, cause of the Quad cam setup!!!! Listen to any Jap or Euro etc Quad cam car and they all sound nice.
Any of you guys ever heard the Quad cam Chev small block? what Quad cam Chev you say!
The early ZR1 32v Quad cam, now thats music lol.

Fords have had some very nice sounding motors IMHO.
The 351 cleveland sounded fantastic, there is nothing nicer sounding on the road than an angry clevo.
The 5.4 OHC cam motors sound nice when they are leant on hard as well for different reasons I suspect.

I prefer the Chev product overall but am happy to give credit where it's due.

cheers