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Silas2k
01-25-2007, 12:09 PM
this is going to be a budget set-up... i do not listen to rap... all rock and i dont blast my music, so i dont need something that hits really hard... this sub will be put in subthumps stealth box... i have been thinking either jl audio 10w3v2 or the alpine type-r 10 inch... i believe the jl audio sub is a little more expensive, but would it be worth it?


RedRallyeZ
01-25-2007, 03:04 PM
I vote alpine, as always, but are you sure its a 1041D? I have only seen them as DVC for forever now

NOIR
01-25-2007, 04:51 PM
I have 2 type-r 10"'s 2ohm DVC. The one i heard before i bought it sounded killer. Best bang for the buck sub i know of.


KEE AUDIO
01-25-2007, 11:35 PM
I voted for what I have currently as well. JL W3V2 D4 x 2. Basically, any good quality sub is going to work fine. We basically all vote for what we use now. I have used Rockford Fosgate HE2's (older model) and HX2 (also older but awesome), JL W3(new and old model), Alpine type E..S..and R, etc. They all work well with the right amp. You have definetly chosen two good subs...just get which ever you can get a better deal on. Both would be an excellent choice. You wouldn't be dissappointed with either one.

Silas2k
01-26-2007, 02:17 PM
I voted for what I have currently as well. JL W3V2 D4 x 2. Basically, any good quality sub is going to work fine. We basically all vote for what we use now. I have used Rockford Fosgate HE2's (older model) and HX2 (also older but awesome), JL W3(new and old model), Alpine type E..S..and R, etc. They all work well with the right amp. You have definetly chosen two good subs...just get which ever you can get a better deal on. Both would be an excellent choice. You wouldn't be dissappointed with either one.

great thx, what amp would u suggest with either of these... i think both of them rms handling power is 300

KEE AUDIO
01-27-2007, 01:39 PM
Just looking around ebay I've found a W3 for $135.00 shipped and a JL 250/1 Class D amp for $200.00 shipped. That's $335.00 for amp and sub. All you would need is an enclosure and an install kit. Not bad for JL Audio. Alpine...found your 10" Type-R for $100.00 w/free shipping!! WOW...I just found an awesome deal for an amp...Old School Rockford Fosgate 360a2...NEW not refurbed!!! $165.00 shipped. RF amps are way underated and great for hard bass. That would put you at $265.00 sub and amp. Figure $100.00 for a stealth box and $20.00-$30.00 for an install kit you should be good. So for $400.00-$475.00 total..you have a nice set up with quality components.

homerunhtr21
01-27-2007, 04:15 PM
i got two 10" MA subs I love em...there for sale also

TheGr8Schlotzky
01-27-2007, 08:29 PM
I vote for elemental designs. I have the 11kv.2 and it's very accurate and clean bass.

Kage
01-27-2007, 09:01 PM
this is going to be a budget set-up... i do not listen to rap... all rock and i dont blast my music, so i dont need something that hits really hard... this sub will be put in subthumps stealth box... i have been thinking either jl audio 10w3v2 or the alpine type-r 10 inch... i believe the jl audio sub is a little more expensive, but would it be worth it?


One werd JLAudio, i have a 10W6v2 in a MTX Stealth Sub Box............
Awesome little subwoofer....

They're not cheap, but worth every penny and then some.... :rock:

slohatch91
01-30-2007, 12:24 AM
what about the new jl 10w3v3?

RahuL
01-30-2007, 12:31 AM
JL 10W3V2 or V3.. + JL 250.1 Amp and you're set!

JL Sub and AMP RMS ratings are just... under-rated [;)]

I have TWO 10" JL 10W3V2s for sale that are VERY New and not used for more than 2 months.. $85 plus ship each [:)]

I've used Alpine Type S and R Subs and I think the bass is a bit 'muddy' compared to JLs which has very clear bass..Just a matter of opnion.. But, I love and recommend both Alpine and JL alike!! :judge:

Check out my Car Audio Sale Thread --> High End Car Audio Stuff For Sale! (http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=637364)

Goodluck with whatever you choose...

JR HAWK 9
01-30-2007, 09:26 AM
I have run a IDQ10 and a Alpine Type R and neither of them performed like my current CDT Audio HD1020 does.

CaliforniaBoy5
01-30-2007, 02:26 PM
Well, what are you looking for? Type R will get louder. . SPL. The JL will sound cleaner ......SQ. Are you looking for a mixture of the two??? Whats your budget? You may be better off going with Diamond, or Crystal subwoofers if your limited. I have also heard GREAT things about Mach audio and they are very competetively priced. I know i am new to this forum but I know my car audio. . . i have the same username on caraudio.com/caraudioforum.com and sounddomain FYI.

Divergent Lightning
01-30-2007, 05:57 PM
I vote for elemental designs. I have the 11kv.2 and it's very accurate and clean bass.


Another for ED! :hail:

98ls1ttop
01-30-2007, 08:36 PM
Well, what are you looking for? Type R will get louder. . SPL. The JL will sound cleaner ......SQ. Are you looking for a mixture of the two??? Whats your budget? You may be better off going with Diamond, or Crystal subwoofers if your limited. I have also heard GREAT things about Mach audio and they are very competetively priced. I know i am new to this forum but I know my car audio. . . i have the same username on caraudio.com/caraudioforum.com and sounddomain FYI.


totally disagree..the type r will sound more crisp, and the jl will be louder...if you dont "beat" go with type r, if you want it loud, go with JL...and if you want REALLY good sound quality go with infinity kappa perfect, if you want a budget sub that sounds good and gets pretty loud, go with type r...ive had many of all these types of subs...for your application go with a type r and a v12 class D digital alpine amp....these two are like peas in a bucket....and ALWAYS ALWAYS never buy a nice sub...and a cheap A$$ amp....the amp is where the heart of the bass is, crappy amp=crappy sound. you can have a 800 dollar sub and a 100 dollar amp and it will sound crappier than a 100 dollar sub and a 800 dollar amp

Sk8runeg
01-30-2007, 09:44 PM
Boston Acoustics G2's sound amazing... $180 for a sub, rated at 300 RMS realistically are about 350ish

CaliforniaBoy5
01-31-2007, 02:03 AM
totally disagree..the type r will sound more crisp, and the jl will be louder...if you dont "beat" go with type r, if you want it loud, go with JL...and if you want REALLY good sound quality go with infinity kappa perfect, if you want a budget sub that sounds good and gets pretty loud, go with type r...ive had many of all these types of subs...for your application go with a type r and a v12 class D digital alpine amp....these two are like peas in a bucket....and ALWAYS ALWAYS never buy a nice sub...and a cheap A$$ amp....the amp is where the heart of the bass is, crappy amp=crappy sound. you can have a 800 dollar sub and a 100 dollar amp and it will sound crappier than a 100 dollar sub and a 800 dollar amp

LMAO. are you kidding me? research your stuff before you speak. Type R's are used for SPL for a reason. . BECAUSE THEY GET LOUD!!! JL is not an SPL brand its a SQL/SQ brand. especially the w3. The w3 driver is tiny compared to the Type R. A JL w3 is rated to handle 300 watts and the Type R is set to handle ATLEAST 500. I know a LOT of people that throw more than 500 to them. People that throw only 350 to them say they get VERY loud. I am new to this forum yes but i have a good knowledge base about car audio. You are a n00b. maybe your just a JL whore. . . I dont know but you cetainly dont know ANYTHING about Type R's. Do you know what the motor of a Type R looks like? Appearantly not! Go ahead and find pics, shoot i'll post pics for you. And whats my proof beside hearing them side by side???? Easy! Caraudio.com/forum .
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118329
Now you mean to tell me that these people don't know what they are talking about? Because. . . . I personally know and i know its not just me.
JL is high end yes but facts are facts, they dont get louder than a Type R. OH yeah and BTW. . . JL actually owns Infinity so. . . you suggesting it as better than JL for SQ proves how much you know. There are very very very few brands that have equal/better SQ than JL, some of them : Image Dynamics,Boston Acoustics & DLS just to name a few.

JR HAWK 9
01-31-2007, 09:51 AM
all I know is that my Type R couldn't hold a candle to my current CDT Audio HD1020 in terms of SQ. I am running ~900+watts to it. I have it in a pretty small enclosure....a sealed 0.50 ft³ custom fiberglass "stealth" box. I have it STUFFED with poly fill as well to tighten up the bass. I know that this decreases the possible SPL of the sub but I wanted SQ and not a BOOM-BOOM type of system. With the huge cabin gain of our cars, it's not too hard to get decent low bass out of most subs.

CaliforniaBoy5
01-31-2007, 09:53 AM
course not. . . Type R's are SPL subs and aren't the best sounding. . . hence why I asked what he was looking for. CDT HD line is all SQL based, not SPL.

Skip01
01-31-2007, 12:34 PM
course not. . . Type R's are SPL subs and aren't the best sounding. . . hence why I asked what he was looking for. CDT HD line is all SQL based, not SPL.

:loco:

Type R is noway near a true SPL sub...just look at the FS...its in the low 20s....true SPL subs(MT,DD,X)all like to be tuned higher and sound muddy when going down for the lows but it all depends in the box for any sub.....CDT in a crappy box will not sound better than a Type R in properly built box.....all on the install....but both are excellent choices for SQL...in a nice built box...IMO :)

CaliforniaBoy5
01-31-2007, 01:07 PM
I know people that hit 150+ with two Type R's FYI but you cant possibly get high numbers in a .6 airspace of an enclosure. You tell me a w3 gets louder than a type R i call you a lying bastard.

CaliforniaBoy5
01-31-2007, 01:13 PM
Oh and FYI Type X is a SQL sub. . . just like a w6. and a w6 is a better SQ sub then the w7. The w7 will get louder but the w6 will sound better. yes of course in the proper enclosure. and yes you are correct about DD> I own two 3510's. BUT a W3 is NOT louder than a Type R.

Skip01
01-31-2007, 01:15 PM
I know people that hit 150+ with two Type R's FYI but you cant possibly get high numbers in a .6 airspace of an enclosure. You tell me a w3 gets louder than a type R i call you a lying bastard.

Haha...i hate JL so youll never hear me say that

I know someone that hit 150s with 1 10in Type R and 2500watts...doesnt mean its a spl sub.
As i said its all in the build..that said number peaked at 43hz..which isnt where normal SPL boxes peak at(60-70hz)

And no .6 isnt goin to net u big numbers...actually the w3 might be better choice in that application imho.

Just to throw out there...i have a 15" Type R in a 3.5cuft tuned to 32hz and on my Termlab can get a 145.4@37hz with 2000watts...which is pretty decent for a daily driving box.... :)

Skip01
01-31-2007, 01:18 PM
Oh and FYI Type X is a SQL sub. . . just like a w6. and a w6 is a better SQ sub then the w7. The w7 will get louder but the w6 will sound better. yes of course in the proper enclosure. and yes you are correct about DD> I own two 3510's. BUT a W3 is NOT louder than a Type R.

Actually the w6v2 is more of a SPL sub...this coming from a JL rep himself...than a W7.
The w7..just like Type R..is more of a daily pounder that can get loud as an end result.

Nice choice of subs...DDs shall be my next sub...but 9510 :eek2: ....

CaliforniaBoy5
01-31-2007, 01:19 PM
You tuned it correctly since that is your Daily Driver. Many people make a mistake and tune high for a Daily Driver and thats a No No. I have yet to create a box for my 3510's. I am contemplating to sell them and get me 1 12" 9512 or 9112, not too sure yet.

Skip01
01-31-2007, 01:22 PM
You tuned it correctly at 37 since that is your Daily Driver. Many people make a mistake and tune high for a Daily Driver and thats a No No. I have yet to create a box for my 3510's. I am contemplating to sell them and get me 1 12" 9512 or 9112, not too sure yet.

Yehh actually its tuned to 32hz.....just peaks at 37hz for SPL...which isnt that good as spl likes higher freq...but for daily driver it is perfect for what i listen to.

Most prefab boxes are tuned wayyyy to high they make me sick when its sooo much easier to just build a normal ported enclosure.

The 3510s are realll nice...i would be goin with them if i wasnt looking for more a SPL setup with a slight daily driver aspect.
Theres a guy doin 154s with 2 3510s in his CRX on music around here...nuts.

Good luck on the build make sure to take pics :hail:

CaliforniaBoy5
01-31-2007, 01:35 PM
Haha, OMG small world. The guy your talking about is Tuan I think. He was my major influence on Car Audio. His username on caraudio.com and sounddomain is Toxic Tuan. He is in Team Toxic Bass? Are we talking about the same guy here? He sells me everything authotized. Place he works at (Advanced Car Creations).

Skip01
01-31-2007, 02:01 PM
Haha, OMG small world. The guy your talking about is Tuan I think. He was my major influence on Car Audio. His username on caraudio.com and sounddomain is Toxic Tuan. He is in Team Toxic Bass? Are we talking about the same guy here? He sells me everything authotized. Place he works at (Advanced Car Creations).

No but that dude is retarded....he prolly could do it with a 8" haha...him and Pete..they come up with some insane designs.
He did win World Finals recently with L5s haha...dude is a beast :hail:

Im talking about Tommyk90(Caraudio screenname) he hit 150.1 or so with a 10" Type R and 154ish with a 15 Type R recently

CaliforniaBoy5
01-31-2007, 02:33 PM
WOW~! Yeah I know about Pete. Tuan right now is actually running a 6" driver and let me tell you it sounds great! They are truly great box builders. He has this setup in his CRX. Small world huH? Tuan hit the mid 150's at the db drag in october. Brought home a huge trophy, taller than Tuan himself. Good Stuff. Small world after all!

MikeFbody
01-31-2007, 03:10 PM
BTW. . . JL actually owns Infinity so. . . you suggesting it as better than JL for SQ proves how much you know.


you may want to check your facts before you start bragging about how much you know about car audio. I won't get into your other points, but I'll bet the title to my Firehawk, and every last piece of gear in it that JL Audio and Infinity Systems have absolutely no affiliation with each other.

MikeFbody
01-31-2007, 03:13 PM
I know people that hit 150+ with two Type R's FYI but you cant possibly get high numbers in a .6 airspace of an enclosure. You tell me a w3 gets louder than a type R i call you a lying bastard.

won't say the w3 is louder per say, but I have hit 148db with 2 10" JL W3's in .6 cu ft stealth boxes in my wife's old camaro.

granted, this was on the old style audio control mics, so it would not have hit that on a term pro or similar sensor mic.

System consited of dual 10" w3's, each with a cfa-1000D wired for 1 ohm mono to deliver 1000 watts each. You could only blast it for about 10 seconds at a time, or else it would start to smell :) .

Skip01
01-31-2007, 05:22 PM
won't say the w3 is louder per say, but I have hit 148db with 2 10" JL W3's in .6 cu ft stealth boxes in my wife's old camaro.

granted, this was on the old style audio control mics, so it would not have hit that on a term pro or similar sensor mic.

System consited of dual 10" w3's, each with a cfa-1000D wired for 1 ohm mono to deliver 1000 watts each. You could only blast it for about 10 seconds at a time, or else it would start to smell :) .

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

You just voided your warranty sir

http://mobile.jlaudio.com/images/8845.jpg

hahaha....feeding my R (750rms) 2000watts so we're in the same boat..but mines doesnt smell to about 4-5 songs full tilt..as long as its clean power(not clipping signal) most subs can take a good amount over there rms...if ur willing to push the limits

MikeFbody
01-31-2007, 06:14 PM
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

You just voided your warranty sir

http://mobile.jlaudio.com/images/8845.jpg

hahaha....feeding my R (750rms) 2000watts so we're in the same boat..but mines doesnt smell to about 4-5 songs full tilt..as long as its clean power(not clipping signal) most subs can take a good amount over there rms...if ur willing to push the limits

that system is long gone, not worried about the warranty anymore.. but it was built specificly to compete in stock 2 10" sub spl classes, while still sounding decent enough for daily listening.

Skip01
01-31-2007, 06:40 PM
that system is long gone, not worried about the warranty anymore.. but it was built specificly to compete in stock 2 10" sub spl classes, while still sounding decent enough for daily listening.

For the 10sec it could be played?

MikeFbody
01-31-2007, 06:57 PM
we had a remote gain nob installed. with the level down to about 25%, it blended in very well with the front stage, just a tad on the boomy side due to the small enclosures, but probably right in line with what most guys like as far as bass goes. It's not like the amps deliver 1000 watts all of the time. Infact, we only had it full tilt at 2 local competitions, and a few times at parking lot events. And to clarify, that 10 seconds was with a 55 hz sine wave, not music. Playing regular music, I'm sure if could have gone a good bit longer.

CaliforniaBoy5
02-01-2007, 02:10 PM
you may want to check your facts before you start bragging about how much you know about car audio. I won't get into your other points, but I'll bet the title to my Firehawk, and every last piece of gear in it that JL Audio and Infinity Systems have absolutely no affiliation with each other.

LMAO, no no. I meant owns like. . . . pwns. Get me? Infinity < JL

MikeFbody
02-01-2007, 02:22 PM
I see, with the wording of your comment, I thought you were perhaps pulling a Foose and confusing JBL with JL (since JBL and Infinity are indeed part of the same parent company).

burnzilla
02-01-2007, 02:25 PM
JL Audio

CaliforniaBoy5
02-01-2007, 02:31 PM
I see, with the wording of your comment, I thought you were perhaps pulling a Foose and confusing JBL with JL (since JBL and Infinity are indeed part of the same parent company).

Ohhh yeah I know about that 1, they are owned by Harmon Industries.

dragonrage
02-03-2007, 08:11 PM
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=295-460. I edited out the other drivers I had listed because I just modeled this and the IDQ. The Dayton absolutely beat the IDQ in frequency response, getting to 27Hz in a 1.25cuft box tuned to about 27Hz. IDQ hit about 31Hz in 1.25cuft tuned to 29Hz. Closed box in 1.25ft has Dayton winning 42Hz to IDQ's 52. Though really, I should have used smaller numbers, particularly for vented, considering that the vent takes room, but that would likely just have the Dayton win by a larger margin. I might rerun the numbers later.