General LSX Automobile Discussion - 43000 dollar ws6

well, if anyone is in the market for an 02 ws6 for teh price of a brand new c6, this is the link for you... thats right, 43500 dollars. what makes it so special? idk... its got 280 miles on it, but 43500??? damn... just... damn :eyes:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-Firebird-2002-trans-am-ram-air-ls1-280-miles-in-the-wrapper-71_W0QQitemZ290075398079QQihZ019QQcategoryZ6427QQr dZ1QQcmdZViewItem

wow. put me down for 2. incase i want seconds

hes just looking for a sucker

What I think is funny is that he is adding what he paid in storage fees to the price of the car. It wasnt the buyers ideal to put it there. Some people have no common sense.

Screw that.

oooooooo its got a zo6 block. to bad mine didnt come optioned that way.

Looks like it is in good condition :)

brand new in box!!!1 L@@K!!


no thanks

He paid $4650 over MSRP, what a dumbass! He is trying to find a bigger dumbass than himself.

The guy takes shitty pictures too.

He got ripped off and now he wants someone else to pay for his stupidity, go figure.
I'll pass.

Z06 block!!!! OMG!!!!!! SOLD

I wouldn't mind having a brand new WS6 for a weekend cruiser, but I doubt it would stay stock and I would eventually drive it everyday b/c I couldn't just let it sit. But damn that guy is gonna be sitting on that car for a while at that price.

LMAO!! The funniest part is that he or she had to pay a good amount in listing fees. Thats is one of the funnier adds though... the z-0 block must be worht 20k in his eyes.
Being the semi smartass that I am I emailed then person and asked them if they were serious.

i blue booked it...

fully optioned, excellent condition, retail value - $21,010
private party - $19,095
trade in - $17,250

im really close to sending him a screenshot of the bluebook page ive got up and telling him kindly; "sir, you are a fucking moron..."

I hope no one buys that car for that price! That car does not jump 10,000 in value in a few years!

HAHAHA, I am sure someone will buy it! It seems as though some people have enough money, and they actually want to be able to say "Yea, I paid a rediculiously large amount for the car". Hell I am convinced that a few of the barret-jackson cars are bought because the buyer knows he'll set the "record" for the most expensive dodge/chevy/pontiac whatever, muscler car ever bought :eyes:

wow. put me down for 2. incase i want seconds


LMAO, yeah me too. I dont even thing theres EVERY option, its missing the Changer Im fairly sure. If he got MSRP he would be very very lucky, and he forgot to deduct money off for the 280 miles that are on the car! like $-9,000

I'd buy that if I was rich.

damn that is crazy... if i was a rich bastard maybe... but it wouldnt stay stock or low milage :jest:

Waste 'o' money.

Its not a Ferrari, these cars are meant to be driven.

I saw that this morning haha

Someone should email him this page haha

If you owned a 280 mile 02' ws6, you'd sell it for BLUE BOOK?

nobody would do that.


the car definately isnt worth anything over 30k... but I'd say 25-30k would seem reasonable, considering it's originaly cost. how many more could possibly have much lower miles

It looks too clean, I bet the bitch blows a fuel and water pump right away.

The guy takes shitty pictures too.

Not everyone has a multi-million $$ circular cobblestone driveway and landscaped front lawn. :judge:

Dang! Maybe I should snag it. I'd pay 25k!

i blue booked it...

fully optioned, excellent condition, retail value - $21,010
private party - $19,095
trade in - $17,250

im really close to sending him a screenshot of the bluebook page ive got up and telling him kindly; "sir, you are a fucking moron..."
lol now thats a good idea

tech memebers...I do beleive Envy jsut found herself a *NEW* front end :lol: someone pick me up in their truck and help me dismember that thing

It is worth what someone will pay for it. That person is not me or anyone else on this board most likely but it may be worth it to someone with lots of money and just wants a nearly new one to add to his collection.

ok.... its a joke. i can understand all the people who are defending it. sure, its not like he's asking for a million dollars for the car, the right person might pay that. BUT....... first, his logic for wanting that much for the car is really screwed up. can we say idiot for paying 5 grand over msrp and then thinking the cost to store the car actually ups its value? second, he cant even spell right and his grammer sucks. if you are going to try to sell a car for 40k+ on ebay, at least make your ad look professional. his add looks like he threw it together in 5 minutes (which i'm sure he did). if i was that rich guy who wanted this car and was willing to pay for it, i certainly wouldnt give some tool who thought storage costs added to the value of the car and who couldnt even write a professional, or at least nice looking, ad my money....

ok.... its a joke. i can understand all the people who are defending it. sure, its not like he's asking for a million dollars for the car, the right person might pay that. BUT....... first, his logic for wanting that much for the car is really screwed up. can we say idiot for paying 5 grand over msrp and then thinking the cost to store the car actually ups its value? second, he cant even spell right and his grammer sucks. if you are going to try to sell a car for 40k+ on ebay, at least make your ad look professional. his add looks like he threw it together in 5 minutes (which i'm sure he did). if i was that rich guy who wanted this car and was willing to pay for it, i certainly wouldnt give some tool who thought storage costs added to the value of the car and who couldnt even write a professional, or at least nice looking, ad my money....

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

i figured someone might do that, lol, i didnt claim MY spelling or grammar was perfect, i said if i was writing an add for a 40k dollar car, i'd make sure they were.

What I think is funny is that he is adding what he paid in storage fees to the price of the car. It wasnt the buyers ideal to put it there. Some people have no common sense.

If I was to sell my car I guess I could add in all the money I've pad for gas then :funny: :funny:

Didn't the SLP Ws.6's come with the Bilstien suspension? That one has the same deCarbons that my v6 has. Bah.

Jeez. Wonder if it has problems from sitting for five years?

It looks too clean, I bet the bitch blows a fuel and water pump right away.

not all WS.6's are like yours.

in fact, ive never seen a car like yours lol

oooooooo its got a zo6 block. to bad mine didnt come optioned that way.

25 percent got an ls6 block so it's plausable, and as for your's there's a 10 percent chance so you might want to check that out.

lol now thats a good idea

blue book's opinion means shit, but it is unreasonable for him to try and get everything he put in to the car.

I was fired up, I figured it was gonna have a list of badass mods.

then I get into the reading and it's got 43k in storage fee mod.

I was fired up, I figured it was gonna have a list of badass mods.

then I get into the reading and it's got 43k in storage fee mod.

haha, that should be a sig....

ok guys, after seeing this thread, i decided to try and figure out how much my car is worth. i decided my car was worth 95,000 dollars. why so you ask? let me break it down for you.

20,000=the amount i've spent on the car, mods, maintenance, ext...
5,000=the amount i've spent in gas to drive the thing around since i owned it
70,000=this is what my parents paid for their house when they bought it. since my car sits in the garage on the property, instead of including the storage fees for a rental unit i just included the cost of the property itself. i think it sounds reasonable. so anyway.....

95,000 dollars for a formula.... any takers?

but its got a Z06 block :P

Could be he really dosen't want to sell it, just trying to appease the wife.
I had a 71 K-5 Blazer listed for a ridiculous price once. Wife wanted it gone. I didn't. Kept like that for almost 2 years...
When I was ready. I dropped the price and sold it two days later.
No one will pay that much for that car.

He's also selling a Camaro, he claims:

"Best of all, this car is equipt with Performance Axle 3:23 and high performance Goodyear tires. These are rare options that most z28's dont have."

Check it out and LAUGH!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-z28-1998-Cheverolet-Camaro-Z28-9k-Orig-Miles-Showroom_W0QQitemZ290076886164QQihZ019QQcategoryZ6 161QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I think its safe to say this bone head is off his rocker :jest:

how about his other car lol

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Plymouth-Barracuda-1971-hemi-cuda-bad-to-the-bone_W0QQitemZ290075395540QQihZ019QQcategoryZ6409Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

how about his other car lol

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Plymouth-Barracuda-1971-hemi-cuda-bad-to-the-bone_W0QQitemZ290075395540QQihZ019QQcategoryZ6409Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

That cuda's a man's car! Be a man and call him! :lol:

im sorry but that's rediculous, anyways who wouldnt drive their WS6 or any sports car, but on the other hand it is nicer and pretty lol

As I look at those pictures it looks like the same person (house) who was selling 8 PS3's and a 69 Camaro for like 45k or something. He has a couple cars returned for being misrepresented as well. My guess is he's con artist. 101k for a non number matching cuda is just as retarded but he's paying listing fees for all that stuff as well.

yeah really, what is the listing fee for a 100k dollar car? lol

It looks like 1.5% of final value $101,000 and he has it listed as buy it now. Looks like $1510 ?!? for listing that. Is that right? Something fishy about that guy.

i dont get how GM can say these cars have performance axles. did they now break one during production? if it was truely a performance axle they would've had strange or moser in thier back pockets and ordered a REAL performance axle. for each car before it was shipped to dealers.

hey, send that to the guy! ^ :lol:

He's also selling a Camaro, he claims:

"Best of all, this car is equipt with Performance Axle 3:23 and high performance Goodyear tires. These are rare options that most z28's dont have."

Check it out and LAUGH!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-z28-1998-Cheverolet-Camaro-Z28-9k-Orig-Miles-Showroom_W0QQitemZ290076886164QQihZ019QQcategoryZ6 161QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I sent him a nice email asking what type of shit he is smokin!!

does that Z28 have Mud Flaps!!???

does that Z28 have Mud Flaps!!???


Heck yes! Aren't they sweet?

I'd buy it.... if it wasn't white. :jest:

"All I know is this is the baddest trans am ever produced..."
43 thousand dollars?
Haha it must have come with the gives free handjobs option.

The guy takes shitty pictures too.


Kudos on that.

Though you can make out the rust on the y-pipe, just barely.

Wow 43k for a WS6! I wonder what Firehawks go for this clean and low miles? 75k? LOL

It has been sitting for too long with too few miles. My best guess the valve springs have devolped a "memory" and most of the oil seals etc. are dried out. So on top of that 43K be sure to have enough money to have the motor gone through and new springs.

What a tool.

What kind of domb shit pays 150/mo to store a car for 5 years? It would have been cheaper to insure it and drive it everyday.

I will use his logic to figure what mines worth.

$28K brand new in 1998
$30K in upgrades (rearend, suspension, tranny, new stroker motor etc.)
$217K for the storage facility (3 bedroom house with 3 car garage)

First guy to pony up $275,000 and its yours. I will even deduct 14,400 dollars which is a dollar for every mile on the car. Come get it!!

hes on crack

i want some if it makes you think that stuff

plus i bet a lot of things are dried up, seals, gaskets..

i have 2 ws6's with a total of 240 miles

i lied...i dont have that

i lied...i dont have that

Too bad...both of them together coud have gotten you about 250k easy.

What I think is funny is that he is adding what he paid in storage fees to the price of the car. It wasnt the buyers ideal to put it there. Some people have no common sense.

Cant believe he is adding that to the cost :eek2:

Its not the buyers fault he didnt drive the car. So people are just plain stupid. That car will not sell for that price :judge:

It is in good condition though

"and do not ask me for my bottom dolor through email,this is a mans car, so be a man and call me,if you would like more info! "


That was at the bottom of one of his adds, talk about a waste of a few cars...

Got my 2002 WS6 this summer for $14,000 after trading in my old V-6 with 80k on it. ($19k without trade in) 14,000 miles on the new one. Blue booked at $23K. Felt like I stole it. They made almost all the options standard on the last year 2002. Including the leather, etc. Got 12 disc CD changer too. WOW, I must have the Z-06 block too! And so does everyone else.

"All I know is this is the baddest trans am ever produced..."
43 thousand dollars?
Haha it must have come with the gives free handjobs option.


haha. The play with your nuts while driving edition.

Maybe his wife said "Sell your cars". Ok honey....

Jeez. Wonder if it has problems from sitting for five years?

Thats what I was thinking too. I wouldnt buy a car like that unless I know I could make money on it.

I was just bullshitting in the special edition forum and remembered about a year ago I saw an lt4 30th ann. SS with 130 miles on it for sale, in person, and the guy only wanted 37,000 for it. And I guarantee it was cleaner than this T/A.

Maybe his wife said "Sell your cars". Ok honey....



Thats what I was thinking too. I wouldnt buy a car like that unless I know I could make money on it. How you going to make money on a car that you paid 23k to much for?

reply to my email asking him if he was serious :

why, I AM SERIOUS, make me offer but every body who has 300 miles and less ask $40,000, and that's what I paid for the car,if this car had like 5000-12000 miles, I would ask 26,500-28,500, but this car has a factory z-06 block, 280 miles, its in the wrapper and its a serious collector piece, if you want a trans am like this you have to pay sticker, and the sticker I paid was 38,000 with dealer mark up,trans am with 30,000 miles bring 19,000, this car is bran new and I know its not for everybody, its for a guy like me who want there stuff bran new, and dont worry about price, because in the long run when you buy used stuff you have to spend twice as much to bring it back to factory and it will never be factory new again. I know in ten years this car with this milage you can ask what ever you want ,just like the gnxs , and hemi cudas ext., bottom line is this car is bran new, you cant buy any muscle car that is new for the price I am asking and I mean any , name me a muscle car you can buy new under $40000, that has 280 miles from the factory, you cant becuse they are all priceless just like this car will be if you keep the miles low on it, I sold my 87 iroc with 3000 miles on it for 28,000, an iroc!! all I know is you get what you pay for in this life.


I told him if he sold it to let me know to who so I can see if they have a brother or cousin

Maybe he's not so crazy
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/carlist/cardetails.asp?In_AuctionID=221&In_LotNumber=1203
preliminary results were $39,600

He is on the crack.

i wouldnt pay that....thats for sure

MSRP is all he should be looking for, it should be black(the avg person will find blk more appealing IMO) and have every available option(missing the changer and probably other stuff) if he wants that top dollar. Probably one of those idiot dreamers that thinks everything they own is worth twice as much cause it was "touched by a guy named Jesus Moses on the ass. line".....

an 02 SS vert went for $39,600 at Barrett. It had 1600 miles on it. He sold his Iroc for 28k. There are people out there with to much money that might buy it. You never know I guess.

i have a z06 block hehe

My cars have made me a celebrity overnight on this forum!

Im new to LS1tech, I just bought a WS6 for $45000 ebay.

Its all stock and has 280 miles, you guys think i got a good deal?

Get the fuck off my lawn with that shit....

Tony.

That guy is an idiot... he can't even spell right! How hard is it to put a >d< at the end of brand? What a moron! Not only that but he says he paid $38K for the car when he bought it, that's his fault from buying from a dealership that charges dealer mark-ups...and besides ask him to see his sales paper work from the delearship to see what he really paid for it! But he probably was an idiot just like he sounds in his ads and just paid window sticker w/o even trying to talk them down. Hell, like mentioned plenty of times already, things have to be drying out, and tires have an expiration on them too! So that '98 camaro w/ original tires that are 9 yrs old are just gonna have to be replaced...What a TOOL

"name me a muscle car you can buy new under $40000, that has 280 miles from the factory"

Ummm, a GTO! And some even have less than 280 miles....... Not to mention a 6 liter, an independent rear suspension, and a warranty. But, whatever I can't be bothered.

Or if you wanted to be brave and spend about another $1000 you could get an 07 Vette, but really who wants the vette?

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2007/chevrolet/corvette/100751682/prices.html

How you going to make money on a car that you paid 23k to much for?
Im saying the only way I would buy a car like that (230 miles) is if I could make money off of it, I didnt say anything about the price.

The most ridiculous thing is that you have to have a massive downpayment as well, no bank is going to approve a loan for a car that blue books at.....

20k for a private party sale.

Now lets lie to the book and say it even is even a collectors edition, which it isn't.

$22,345

As far as the car's valve springs/oil seals, he probably let his 12 year old son sit in the car and rev the engine at around 5800 RPM for ~10 minutes every week.

(That is 100 more than the LS1's rev limiter hits right?)

he probably let his 12 year old son sit in the car and rev the engine at around 5800 RPM for ~10 minutes every week.

(That is 100 more than the LS1's rev limiter hits right?)

limiters at 6200

limiters at 6200


Oh okay, than his 12 year old sat there revving the engine at 6200 RPM for 10 minutes.

Theres a retard in every bunch. He should have camped in front bareass jackass and waited for those loons to bend over, they'd go crazy for coco puffs hahaha.

My cars have made me a celebrity overnight on this forum!

The man himself?

I think what everyone here is so worked up about is the fact that too many cars have become commodities, look at the muscle car craze. I'm all for a free market economy, and the market will command what people are willing to pay, but no one likes to get ripped off.

As a community of car enthusiasts we actually like to drive and wrench on our cars, not treat them like stacks of benjis on goodyears. Real enthusiasts see the hobby getting more and more out of the hands of average joes every year. Its good that a lot of old cars are beings saved, if only as investments, but selling a common late model WS6 (with its "magical" LS6 block) for $43,000, well its too soon for that, let us have our fun first before making us feel guilty about hacking up an "investment".

I'm guessing the price is going to go up with each relisting to cover the Ebay fees... :wrist:

[QUOTE=kdstang] let us have our fun first before making us feel guilty about hacking up an "investment".QUOTE]


That's why I haven't sold a single part I've taken off, to replace w/ a performance mod. :)

my cars my bitch...it does what i tell it to.

my cars my bitch...it does what i tell it to.


just like any bitch....she owns YOU by the wallet and the balls....

let alone when that motor breaks, that bitch will pimp slap you out of the seat... :jest:

[QUOTE=kdstang] let us have our fun first before making us feel guilty about hacking up an "investment".QUOTE]


That's why I haven't sold a single part I've taken off, to replace w/ a performance mod. :)


Does that include a burnt out alternator???

Ha ha ha, I make myself laugh....

...all...... day........... long....

Okay it wasn't that funny.



*note* the following is about BS Ebay pricing in general, so don't read it if you don't want to. semi- :offtopic:
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You guys want to hear BULLSHIT free market Ebay crap.

Try Star Wars Lego's. I collect the damn things and you should see what the Ebay BS puts out.

These guys sit there and post up prices for ex. $20 plus $5 shipping for a product that isn't even availible for purchase yet (even by the seller) that when it is availible you can just buy from Lego themselves for $9.95 with about 20 cents in shipping.

Or the freakin' Death Star where they sell the product for $400+ plus like $20 in shipping while you can still it from Lego for $299.95 and about $5 in shipping.

Lastly the worse two BS posts I have seen are for an expansion pack to Hero's Quests being sold for $299.99 (originally ~$10 new) because it wasn't played with.

Also Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance I being listed for $75 when you can get it for $5-$10 on any other site.

It starts to ramp up one guy see what another posts and post for around the same amount and then every ass out there starts trying to sell it for that amount.

Eventually you have a barrage of listings for products being sold for ridiculous prices, being listed over and over again by a few a-hole listers spamming the site and you never have the chance to actually buy anything.

It is like looking for parts for a Camaro and you see a listing of 5,000 parts made for a Honda Civic where they post as many car makes as they can just so their listing pops up.

what hell is going on here. guys cars are expensive, I know it sucks, I paid 38,000 for this car in 02 , thats what I want in 07, no one gives you a 280 mile ws6 , they never have and they never will, as a matter of fact you cant even buy a good car from gm anymore , the saturn sky is 33,500, the 4 door dodge charger is $39000, the srt-8 neon is 30,000$ ,the crap mustang is $36,000 ,what are you going to buy: the gto. I do not make up the prices,Trans ams are the most expensive gm cars, they always have been since 1969 , they stop making them 5 years ago after 38 years ,they stoped. unless you have a time machine to go back in time , none of you guys will ever have the chance to buy a new trans am agian , This car is outstanding. I am a super nice guy and I love cars , I have been building and racing cars since I was 14 years old, I have serval cars, most them with low miles and I also paid big money for all of them.
all I know is I cant believe the reaction this car has on people. let it go guys, life to short plus I am sick of all the email, the price is what it is,Thats it.
Thank you for all the nice comments Demetri.

guy chill the fuck out, I am getting fucking threat emails, for what, the car is not for sale anymore, I dont give a shit what you guys think, but when the email nature is violant and threating , it bothers me. target the $69,000 ram air called the sling shot, no more emails if you guys have the balls call me 1630-310-2494
and talk shit to my face or on the phone,or right here, do not emails me any more.

talk shit to your face.....but over the phone??? How is that to your face?

Hey did you have that SOM WS6 on your web page for sale? That was a nice car and a good price I was sorry I missed it.

Okay guys he has a point. It is fun to make fun of a car for being psycho-priced but don't threaten the guy.

It's fun to poke fun of an add but don't actually DO anything about it that makes this site look bad!

guy chill the fuck out, I am getting fucking threat emails, for what, the car is not for sale anymore, I dont give a shit what you guys think, but when the email nature is violant and threating , it bothers me. target the $69,000 ram air called the sling shot, no more emails if you guys have the balls call me 1630-310-2494
and talk shit to my face on the phone,or right here, do not emails me any more.


he lives around naperville il its a 630...:)

Fbod get-together anyone??? we can go car shopping :jest: :jest: :jest:

Hey did you have that SOM WS6 on your web page for sale? That was a nice car and a good price I was sorry I missed it.
yhea that car was awesome, I sold it to my cousine for 13,500
what I paid for it, I not trying to rip any body off, I am even sorry I ever listed it, its becomes a feeding frendzy , and everybody is out to tear you up, I am not asking a million dollors, I also have a best offer. I own a lot of cars because I am an autohaulic, I have a very nice collection of muscle cars, I can tell you this ws6 is one of the lowest mile cars in the country , it does not get better than this car, if sombody really wants the car you can call me and we can work out somthing.

don't forget the fact that in not a single picture the guy has on these listings show odometer shots to VERIFY the mileages............

he lives around naperville il its a 630...:)

Fbod get-together anyone??? we can go car shopping :jest: :jest: :jest:
you will see me this summer at the track, and the street races, make sure your car is fast.

I can tell you this ws6 is one of the lowest mile cars in the country , it does not get better than this car, if sombody really wants the car you can call me and we can work out somthing.

Trust me it does get better then that car. And if anyone offers you a dime over 30K then they are out of thier minds. It's not a Ferarri, Lamborghini or some limited edition vehicle that people would want for showing off. It's a mass produced dime a dozen WS6. They are meant to be driven and do not gain value over just a few years.

BTW you were ripped off by the dealer that sold you that car. Even back then the car wasn't worth 38K so it certainly isn't worth over 40K now :lol:

No offence to anyone but why does it bother you guys if the price is 43,000. If your not going to buy it then stop talking about it.

Let the guy do whatever he wants. Its his car. If he wants to sell it for 100k It shouldn't bother you that much!

Who cares

Trust me it does get better then that car. And if anyone offers you a dime over 30K then they are out of thier minds. It's not a Ferarri, Lamborghini or some limited edition vehicle that people would want for showing off. It's a mass produced dime a dozen WS6. They are meant to be driven and do not gain value over just a few years.

BTW you were ripped off by the dealer that sold you that car. Even back then the car wasn't worth 38K so it certainly isn't worth over 40K now :lol:
your right its not a ferrari because they suck,The ws6 is the best trans am ever to come out of gm
I did not get ripped off, you could not buy a ws6 new with out the dealer mark up in chicago , and I know for a fact they were higher in the west coast.
this car is super special because it has 280 miles on it ,280 miles ,did I mention 280 miles. so let say you walk into a dealer today and you want the saturn sky, when your done signing the papers, you would be comming out of that dealer oweing $35,000
this is not a used car it is in the wrapper,you can not compare this car to any other car, its is special because its new, and everybody trashed thier ls1 , I know because I have a collectors edition, with 12,000 miles, that car is as loose as a goose, the clucth is messed up the rear end make noise, its still looks good, but I race it every weekend when I have the chance. that what you are buying when you see others for 25,000$, not a bran spanking new car with every chalk mark and doc, This car has never been wet and has been in a heated garage. now dont you wish you can have a new trans am agian. everybody does ,but they do not make them any more,thats what make it rare.

this car is super special because it has 280 miles on it ,280 miles ,did I mention 280 miles. so let say you walk into a dealer today and you want the saturn sky, when your done signing the papers, you would be comming out of that dealer oweing $35,000
this is not a used car it is in the wrapper,you can not compare this car to any other car, its is special because its new, and everybody trashed thier ls1 , I know because I have a collectors edition, with 12,000 miles, that car is as loose as a goose, the clucth is messed up the rear end make noise, its still looks good, but I race it every weekend when I have the chance. that what you are buying when you see others for 25,000$, not a bran spanking new car with every chalk mark and doc, This car has never been wet and has been in a heated garage. know dont you wish you can have a new trans am agian. everybody does ,but they do not make them any more,thats what make it rare.

:lol:

Did I mention that you're car is still a ripoff for more then 30K? Want to see a better deal?

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=211206263&dealer_id=100000874&car_year=1999&search_type=both&num_records=&keywordsfyc=&make=PONT&transmission=&model=TRANSAM&distance=0&make2=&address=14622&default_sort=priceDESC&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&sort_type=mileageASC&min_price=&body_code=0&end_year=1999&keywordsrep=&color=&start_year=1999&drive=&engine=&fuel=&doors=&style_flag=1&cardist=909

450 miles, Anniversary edition (yes that means it's rarer and more valuble then a run of the mill WS6) WS6 for.............................Drum roll please..............

$34,995

But lemme guess a 2002 plain jane WS6 with a few hundred (not thousand) less miles is well worth another $8,505? :lol:

Note you can buy this car today for less then what you paid for your WS6 back when you bought it.

:lol:

Did I mention that you're car is still a ripoff for more then 30K? Want to see a better deal?

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=211206263&dealer_id=100000874&car_year=1999&search_type=both&num_records=&keywordsfyc=&make=PONT&transmission=&model=TRANSAM&distance=0&make2=&address=14622&default_sort=priceDESC&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&sort_type=mileageASC&min_price=&body_code=0&end_year=1999&keywordsrep=&color=&start_year=1999&drive=&engine=&fuel=&doors=&style_flag=1&cardist=909

450 miles, Anniversary edition (yes that means it's rarer and more valuble then a run of the mill WS6) WS6 for.............................Drum roll please..............

$34,995

But lemme guess a 2002 plain jane WS6 with a few hundred (not thousand) less miles is well worth another $8,505? :lol:

Note you can buy this car today for less then what you paid for your WS6 back when you bought it.

I just talk to him, he is firm, plus you will have to pay taxes, when you done paying for it ,it will still comes out to be close to 38,000 plus shipping, he is a dealer, yes it definatley the best looking ta with those blue rims and white seats, but 99 suck, the pistons knock, it eats a ton of oil,you cant hone the block, and still no matter how you slice it you are still paying big money for a 99 which is 3 years older than and 02 which make that car 8 years old. plus 01 and o2 are still the best

fine I take 37,000 shipped anywere in the country.

it sounds to me like your 12000 miles "collectors edition" that you race got the shit beat out of WITHOUT being taken care of.....

30k shipped and you still don't have a deal IMO

it sounds to me like your 12000 miles "collectors edition" that you race got the shit beat out of WITHOUT being taken care of.....
no it is super nice ,always garge keeped, I love to race, but it hard on a car, like the clucth and rearend, you cant do anything about it, but upgrade, which I am doing. I take care of all my cars, I love cars so much that I wont sleep for days, just thinking how to make it faster.

Im with Yellow, Can I do the test-drive honours?!, might need a new set of rubbers for the car, and a bottle of advils for the owner :devil:

Im with Yellow, Can I do the test-drive honours?!, might need a new set of rubbers for the car, and a bottle of advils for the owner :devil:
if I see you up at an event , I will give you a ride.

I just talk to him, he is firm, plus you will have to pay taxes, when you done paying for it ,it will still comes out to be close to 38,000 plus shipping, he is a dealer, yes it definatley the best looking ta with those blue rims and white seats, but 99 suck, the pistons knock, it eats a ton of oil,you cant hone the block, and still no matter how you slice it you are still paying big money for a 99 which is 3 years older than and 02 which make that car 8 years old. plus 01 and o2 are still the best

Anniversary edition > 02 WS6 anyway you want to slice it. The biggest difference between the 99 and 01/02 is the LS6 intake manifold instead of the LS1. $499 is not a big investment after spending $35K :lol:

You think we are stupid? You think we don't know the differences between the 98-02 F-bodies?

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1740880&postcount=2

Stickies are a beautiful thing. And to top it off most of us actually understand how little these differences are considering the vast aftermarket we have ;)

I'm not saying your car isn't worth money. Hell 30K is still about 10K above BBV. But the car is no longer new because of two reasons.

1). It's been titled at least once (to you).

2). It's now 2007 making the car 5 years old.

You ratained a lot of value IMO by keeping the car basically undriven but it didn't gain value. At least not to the general public. What you need is to find someone who loves muscle cars, has a lot of cash and has an obsessive compulsive personality. That person might pay what you want for the car.

Good luck on the search.

If I really wanted to spend that kind of $$$ on a F-Body this would be my choice...... :)

2002 CA TA w/ 49 Miles (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=197262876&dealer_id=54879542&car_year=2002&model=TRANSAM&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=2000&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=300&make=PONT&color=&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=mileageASC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=mileageASC&address=98105&advanced=y&end_year=2002&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=233)

no I do not think your stupid, this forum has the most intellegent , and savy people I know, but I am hard headed ,I like 02 ,I like them even better if it has a ls6 block in them, which my CE does not have, and that is why it comming out to put my 383 ls6 in it with a pt-88, I know this car is not for every body, I know none of you guys are going to buy it, but if I had a turbo car just done with o miles you guys be all over it, thier are diffrent markets, this car is for an old man who has 100 cars, and wants to say he has one of the lowest mile cars in the country, this is not an ls1tech car with bolt ons, one time I owned a 1971 cuda convertible , 318 car, I put it on ebay for 110,000
it had 24,000 miles, I recieved every hate email in the world, you know who bought the car , it was stalloins son ,you know rocky balboa, because he loved it, just like I loved this car when I first bought it.
god knows I dont know evrything but I am willing to learn and listen to others
thats what we are here for to learn ,have babies and drive fast cars.

If I really wanted to spend that kind of $$$ on a F-Body this would be my choice...... :)

2002 CA TA w/ 49 Miles (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=197262876&dealer_id=54879542&car_year=2002&model=TRANSAM&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=2000&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=300&make=PONT&color=&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=mileageASC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=mileageASC&address=98105&advanced=y&end_year=2002&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=233)
That sold. asap. dealer mark up price in 02 was that on that car.
you could not get that car in 02 for under that. and it still brought the same price in 07, hmmm.

That sold. asap. dealer mark up price in 02 was that on that car.
you could not get that car in 02 for under that. and it still brought the same price in 07, hmmm.

This is the key part of that particular car:

Collectors Edition Convertible

That (like the 99 anniversary TA) gives the car added value above a standard WS6. You don't want to accept it but the only thing special about your car is the mileage and that's only worth so much.

What's your car really worth? 28-32K. That's a reasonable amount for what the car is. But that does not mean you won't find someone with more money then common sense. If you do then more power to ya. If not then keep it for another 20 years and it'll become an official "classic".

Then you'll probably get what you want for it :jest:

This is the key part of that particular car:

Collectors Edition Convertible

That (like the 99 anniversary TA) gives the car added value above a standard WS6. You don't want to accept it but the only thing special about your car is the mileage and that's only worth so much.

What's your car really worth? 28-32K. That's a reasonable amount for what the car is. But that does not mean you won't find someone with more money then common sense. If you do then more power to ya. If not then keep it for another 20 years and it'll become an official "classic".

Then you'll probably get what you want for it :jest:
I cant take 32,500 never. it does matter . I just amazed , why everybody cares so much, Its my car I dont have to sell it, mabey I like stirring the shit somwhat.
if somone wants a deal I can give you a deal on parts or what ever this board needs. please leave my car out of it , Thanks Demetri

I get my price.

But not many others do or will.


and I wont have to wait that long

Only time will tell.

the car has every tag on it , thier even tags on the shocks, I would never take 32,500 never.

That may be but it doesn't change the fact that a mass produced car loses value the moment it's titled and driven off a dealerships lot. And subsequently continues to lose some value every year that passes unless it becomes an official classic which the 2002 WS6 does not qualify for yet.

But good luck.

But not many others do or will.




Only time will tell.



That may be but it doesn't change the fact that a mass produced car loses value the moment it's titled and driven off a dealerships lot. And subsequently continues to lose some value every year that passes unless it becomes an official classic which the 2002 WS6 does not qualify for yet.

But good luck.
your right cars are just money hungry beast, you loose money when you drive it off the dealers lot. Thanks mike.

Just so everyone knows his 02 ceta that he talks about is on a salvaged title yea that right i know who you are. He goes to this spot south of chicago in lemont called "4 corners" its a big hang out for street racers and car nuts.... his so called prescious baby was stolen and returned almost completely gutted which is why its not worth shit. seats had to be replaced tons of shit....your not fooling anyone and dont worry about my cars.....I want nothin to do with a person like you. Your a cheap immitation thats it. Go take your S/C CETA and your 383 stroker with your P88 and shove it up your ass. Dont come on this board tryin to defend the your stupidty and call me out bro when you dont even know who i am. You need to check that shit at the door.

and for once and all lets just set the record straight for everyone concerning this almighty ls6 block issue...for starters lets take a look:

The LS6 shares its basic block design with the GM LS1 engine, but other changes were made such as windows cast into the block between cylinders. An improved intake manifold, higher-lift cam, and higher compression ratio boost output compared to the LS1, and a new oiling system is better suited to high lateral acceleration

Ok first off you can by a used ls6 on the board for 300...and the cam for cheap as well not to mention the vast others. oil pump is like 100 brand new and lets see the windows cast into the block hmmm lets take a closer look shall we

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1740886&postcount=8

There Please read that and then read it again so you can shut the fuck up about your fuckin block....here in the great words of JRP

THE LS6 BLOCK DOES NOT INCREASE HP, REPEAT AFTER ME "IF I HAVE AN LS6 BLOCK IT DOES NOT INCREASE POWER". LEARN IT, SAY IT, REPEAT IT.

Damn was that so hard......??? i think not! :judge: :judge: :judge: :judge:

this is stupid, do i get to sell my camaro for 20 mill because it didnt come turbocharged from the factory? :swing:

I admit, the car is very nice, but 47k... I think not

that person was charging more because he didnt have a garage to store it in??? then he wants to complain and mark it up 9000 because he paid that....his lost not the buyer's (medicine is screwin with me so spelling and grammar sucks)

Just so everyone knows his 02 ceta that he talks about is on a salvaged title yea that right i know who you are. He goes to this spot south of chicago in lemont called "4 corners" its a big hang out for street racers and car nuts.... his so called prescious baby was stolen and returned almost completely gutted which is why its not worth shit. seats had to be replaced tons of shit....your not fooling anyone and dont worry about my cars.....I want nothin to do with a person like you. Your a cheap immitation thats it. Go take your S/C CETA and your 383 stroker with your P88 and shove it up your ass. Dont come on this board tryin to defend the your stupidty and call me out bro when you dont even know who i am. You need to check that shit at the door.


so.... 7 pages later, the truth comes out.

so.... 7 pages later, the truth comes out.

40 posts per page that shit!

The part I love his how he's trying to defend himself. Why? You're just going to get mocked more. No one here is going to buy your car. It's overpriced. I'd rather buy something NEW (that hasn't been sitting for 5 years, letting the seals dry up).


Just so everyone knows his 02 ceta that he talks about is on a salvaged title yea that right i know who you are. He goes to this spot south of chicago in lemont called "4 corners" its a big hang out for street racers and car nuts.... his so called prescious baby was stolen and returned almost completely gutted which is why its not worth shit. seats had to be replaced tons of shit.....

If thats the case, I'd be pissed he just sold someone a wrecked, gutted car that he fixed but passed off as something that was factory unmolested.

and for once and all lets just set the record straight for everyone concerning this almighty ls6 block issue...for starters lets take a look:

The LS6 shares its basic block design with the GM LS1 engine, but other changes were made such as windows cast into the block between cylinders. An improved intake manifold, higher-lift cam, and higher compression ratio boost output compared to the LS1, and a new oiling system is better suited to high lateral acceleration

Ok first off you can by a used ls6 on the board for 300...and the cam for cheap as well not to mention the vast others. oil pump is like 100 brand new and lets see the windows cast into the block hmmm lets take a closer look shall we

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1740886&postcount=8

There Please read that and then read it again so you can shut the fuck up about your fuckin block....here in the great words of JRP

THE LS6 BLOCK DOES NOT INCREASE HP, REPEAT AFTER ME "IF I HAVE AN LS6 BLOCK IT DOES NOT INCREASE POWER". LEARN IT, SAY IT, REPEAT IT.

Damn was that so hard......??? i think not! :judge: :judge: :judge: :judge:


No commentary, I just thought it was important to restate again :)




My advice to him - Just drive your car an enjoy and stop trying to rip people off. Cars are meant to be driven.

I'm not tryin to be an ass guys but I'm not gonna sit here while this guy goes through these sharades (spelling?) acting like hes some "caroholic"?? when in fact this just isnt the case. I'm not an intense "caroholic" if you will but i sure as hell would not have bought my ceta with a salvaged title.....Although i think it would be safe to say that he does have the rarest 2002 CETA T/A of them all :) I'm not sure i ever met another one of those on the street :judge:

I'm not tryin to be an ass guys but I'm not gonna sit here while this guy goes through these sharades (spelling?) acting like hes some "caroholic"?? when in fact this just isnt the case.

Neither am I, I hate people that try to rip others off.

looks like his ceta wasnt the only car with a rebuilt title...check this out:

http://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=557252


damn this guys list just keeps going on and on...search for some of his old posts he tried sellin that t/a here for 43k to....funny nobody picked that up??? whats wrong with you guys fuckin one hell of a deal

looks like his ceta wasnt the only car with a rebuilt title...check this out:

http://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=557252


damn this guys list just keeps going on and on...search for some of his old posts he tried sellin that t/a here for 43k to....funny nobody picked that up??? whats wrong with you guys fuckin one hell of a deal

lmao :)

search for some of his old posts he tried sellin that t/a here for 43k to....funny nobody picked that up??? whats wrong with you guys fuckin one hell of a deal

If only I had 43K lying around :jest:

I don't blame the guy for trying. If it were me I would probably test the waters at 35-38K and see if I can get some semi-rich guy who wants to buy this car just to wrap her up and let her sit for 20 years in an untouched and undriven car collection. It might take awhile but he's probably out there somewhere.

But I wouldn't come to LS1tech and try to justify an inflated price to people who know better. I could buy a 2002 Vette with less then 10K miles for less then what he wants for a 2002 WS6. The Vette would be fully broken in, no worries about seals and it's a friggin Corvette :drive:

for those who doubt me here is his website were he admits to the theft title on his CETA... http://www.dmperformance.org/CARS.html I unlike others dont make shit up to appease people. I for one had a true Ceta untouched completely stock down to the original tires, rims, hood, seats, air filter etc...with lil less then 12k miles. Mine was on a clear and clean title! it was a true collectors piece.

funny how he hasnt replied... guilty and shameless

Car was re-listed for $36.5k, guess he gave up trying to recoup the storage fees! :lol:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-Firebird-2002-trans-am-ram-air-ls1-280-miles-in-the-wrapper-71_W0QQitemZ290092367540QQcategoryZ6427QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Car was re-listed for $36.5k, guess he gave up trying to recoup the storage fees! :lol:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-Firebird-2002-trans-am-ram-air-ls1-280-miles-in-the-wrapper-71_W0QQitemZ290092367540QQcategoryZ6427QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Lol. At least that price is a little more realistic. I can see someone paying that easier then the 43K he wanted last time. And if you're reading this thread stage274 then here is some advice for you.

If the car doesn't sell for whatever reason at 36.5K then relist it as an auction starting the bid at $100 or something rediculous like that. Make the reserve $36.5K and run the auction for at least 7 days. You could get lucky and have two guys in a bidding war where neither wants to back down and pride overrides common sense. You might get more then 36.5K.

And even if you don't you can at least consider the highest offer in case it is something close like $34,800. Good luck and I hope you find a buyer.

SO the bigger question to me now is why the fuck are you guys beating this dead horse? The seller was looking for big bucks. Big friggn deal. Time to move on.

that car has been on there since the middle of jan. he's looking awfully hard for a stupid guy

Hey theres alot of things people buy that you can look at and think they are nuts. But if someone thinks its worth it to pay that kind of money to own that particular car then its worth that to them. Maybe it isn't worth that to all of us but to others maybe that is exactly what they are looking for. If its being sold in an honest way then I don't see the big deal. On a side note I paid 28k for my WS6 off the showroom floor brand new with 10 miles on it. And 32K for my convertible Collectors. Yay for family members that work at GM! :D

lol, I just want my "Test Drive" :jest:

Lmao... that shit is hilarious... the price is reduced to a 36.5 buy it now, which is just over double what I paid for my 99 frc vette with 13k on the clock at the time

That sold. asap. dealer mark up price in 02 was that on that car.
you could not get that car in 02 for under that. and it still brought the same price in 07, hmmm.

The CETA on the link I posted is still available...... And with the 27 miles on it I don't really see anything wrong with the price....

If you look at their web site you will see that they have recently sold a similar Hawk for the price too :) Showroom Automotive (http://www.showroomautomotive.com/id2.html)

He paid $4650 over MSRP, what a dumbass! He is trying to find a bigger dumbass than himself.


i do not think one exsists..... maybe if you got a second one for free that might be a better deal..... lol

if they are a dealer why are they paying for storage?????? scam scam scam....

SHeww Wish i Had the EXTRA cash$$$

I saw a low mileage Blackbird go for around the same price. I'd prefer the Blackbird.