Beefing up Stock 10 bolt?
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Beefing up Stock 10 bolt?
Thinking about beefing my stock 10 bolt. (Mods are in sig-M6) Do ya'll think i can make my rear end last into the high 11's?
Heres what i got planned:
C-clip eliminators
Moser Axels
and some better axel studs.
Heres what i got planned:
C-clip eliminators
Moser Axels
and some better axel studs.
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That doesnt solve your real problems. The axles are a good upgrade, but you would also have to put a better diff in there, weld the tubes and a solid pinion spacer minimum. Even with all the tricks an M6 will be hard on the rear, especially with 4.10's.
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The 10 bolts are hit or miss with drag racing some people can nail 11s with them most can't or those who try frag somthing.
Being mostly drag people the basic rule of thumb is upgrade it no matter what. I think myself, this is just speculation bare with me. A upgraded 10 bolt has its up sides but drag racing probbly still not best part to use.
If you drag alot it's probbly alot safer and easier to upgrade to either a 9" or 12 bolt rear end. Sadly not cheap.
Being mostly drag people the basic rule of thumb is upgrade it no matter what. I think myself, this is just speculation bare with me. A upgraded 10 bolt has its up sides but drag racing probbly still not best part to use.
If you drag alot it's probbly alot safer and easier to upgrade to either a 9" or 12 bolt rear end. Sadly not cheap.
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If it lasts until 11's it's just luck getting you there.
Perhaps you should try reading this stickied thread, as this topic has been absolutely beat to death.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/gears-axles/510589-when-will-my-10-bolt-break.html
Perhaps you should try reading this stickied thread, as this topic has been absolutely beat to death.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/gears-axles/510589-when-will-my-10-bolt-break.html
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Originally Posted by }Anti_Ricer_X{
Thinking about beefing my stock 10 bolt. (Mods are in sig-M6) Do ya'll think i can make my rear end last into the high 11's?
Heres what i got planned:
C-clip eliminators
Moser Axels
and some better axel studs.
Heres what i got planned:
C-clip eliminators
Moser Axels
and some better axel studs.
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Ive seen alot of A4 running low 11's and some 10's,but if your an M6 id put that money towards a 9in or 12.I myself am an A4 and have 3:23 and would like to go to 3:73 and though about getting micronite gears since im changing them out anyways
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I am a a4 with a 3500 stall. I pull low 1.6-high 1.5 60's I have at least 100 passes on the stock rear and it is still going. i am building my stock rear just to get me out of school until I can afford a 12 bolt. As it is now I can afford 800 in upgrades to the stock rear, but I can't handle a 2400 dollar 12 bolt. The way I see it is if the stock rear can last for 100 passes maybe it can make me atleast 6 more months and maybe a year........................ok for a 6 speed you are going to have to resist the urge to do 5000 rpm launches. You are going to have to hold it to 3 or 4k launches if you expect it to hold for a while.
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Originally Posted by bluehawk2
I am a a4 with a 3500 stall. I pull low 1.6-high 1.5 60's I have at least 100 passes on the stock rear and it is still going. i am building my stock rear just to get me out of school until I can afford a 12 bolt. As it is now I can afford 800 in upgrades to the stock rear, but I can't handle a 2400 dollar 12 bolt. The way I see it is if the stock rear can last for 100 passes maybe it can make me atleast 6 more months and maybe a year........................ok for a 6 speed you are going to have to resist the urge to do 5000 rpm launches. You are going to have to hold it to 3 or 4k launches if you expect it to hold for a while.
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Originally Posted by bluehawk2
I am a a4 with a 3500 stall. I pull low 1.6-high 1.5 60's I have at least 100 passes on the stock rear and it is still going. i am building my stock rear just to get me out of school until I can afford a 12 bolt. As it is now I can afford 800 in upgrades to the stock rear, but I can't handle a 2400 dollar 12 bolt. The way I see it is if the stock rear can last for 100 passes maybe it can make me atleast 6 more months and maybe a year........................ok for a 6 speed you are going to have to resist the urge to do 5000 rpm launches. You are going to have to hold it to 3 or 4k launches if you expect it to hold for a while.
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answer from the sticky:
You don't.
It seems like too easy of an answer, but it holds true. The 10 bolt will always be limited by the fact that it is simply smaller than a 12 bolt, 9 inch, or Dana 60. Smaller = weaker.
Besides replacing the ring & pinion and bearings, adding aftermarket parts such as stronger axles only seems to be a waste of money. The minute you fix one thing, another will break. Rear end installs can be costly if you are not doing the labor yourself - it adds up quick. Don't be the guy who says he can't afford a 12 bolt, but has spent $1500 dumping money into his 10 bolt.
It seems like too easy of an answer, but it holds true. The 10 bolt will always be limited by the fact that it is simply smaller than a 12 bolt, 9 inch, or Dana 60. Smaller = weaker.
Besides replacing the ring & pinion and bearings, adding aftermarket parts such as stronger axles only seems to be a waste of money. The minute you fix one thing, another will break. Rear end installs can be costly if you are not doing the labor yourself - it adds up quick. Don't be the guy who says he can't afford a 12 bolt, but has spent $1500 dumping money into his 10 bolt.
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I've got abut 50 passes on my 10 bolt with 4:10 and about 20 with the old 3:42's launching around 2500 to 3000rpms...and have yet to cut a decent 60ft...were throwing the MT's on and gonna try to break that bitch this year
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This may sound stupid, but I had a GMC pickup with a 10 bolt in it... it was an 87... I'm not sure if there is some huge difference between that and what's in the camaros, the pickup was a 1/2 ton 4x4 Jimmy. I beat the living crap out of that rear end... it went at 160K miles... original diff and everything. Unless i'm wrong and it was a 12 bolt... but I'm pretty sure it was a 10. Point is if it was a 10 bolt in my truck... why are people saying the rear in the camaro doesn't last very long... I know for a fact I beat the living **** out of that truck for 50K+ miles with no problem on 33 inch tires. No flames please, just explanation is all i'm looking for.
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Originally Posted by Jon5212
This may sound stupid, but I had a GMC pickup with a 10 bolt in it... it was an 87... I'm not sure if there is some huge difference between that and what's in the camaros, the pickup was a 1/2 ton 4x4 Jimmy. I beat the living crap out of that rear end... it went at 160K miles... original diff and everything. Unless i'm wrong and it was a 12 bolt... but I'm pretty sure it was a 10. Point is if it was a 10 bolt in my truck... why are people saying the rear in the camaro doesn't last very long... I know for a fact I beat the living **** out of that truck for 50K+ miles with no problem on 33 inch tires. No flames please, just explanation is all i'm looking for.
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Originally Posted by Jon5212
This may sound stupid, but I had a GMC pickup with a 10 bolt in it... it was an 87... I'm not sure if there is some huge difference between that and what's in the camaros, the pickup was a 1/2 ton 4x4 Jimmy. I beat the living crap out of that rear end... it went at 160K miles... original diff and everything. Unless i'm wrong and it was a 12 bolt... but I'm pretty sure it was a 10. Point is if it was a 10 bolt in my truck... why are people saying the rear in the camaro doesn't last very long... I know for a fact I beat the living **** out of that truck for 50K+ miles with no problem on 33 inch tires. No flames please, just explanation is all i'm looking for.
Im not positive what rear ends the 87 1/2 ton pickups had, but Im guessing they had a 12 bolt. If they did have a 10 bolt it was the 8.5 inch version, not the 7.5 that these cars have. That inch makes a alot of difference. I know what you mean, I had a 94 fullsize blazer lifted with 38's on it and I beat the crap out of that also. The rear end held up a very long time, the front half shafts were what was killing me, but when I finally did break the rear end it wasnt the internals that broke it was the spot welds that hold the axle tubes. My pumpkin spun around ripping the driveshaft off and what not. Those big tires are even harder on those rear ends than high horsepower (I think) cause of the leverage effect.
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Ahh Ok, so there are different versions of 10 bolt axles, 7.5 and 8.5, didn't know that. Thanks for the info, was just wondering cause i think a 5000 LB truck with big tires puts a pretty good strain on a rear end as well. Oh well... and btw I'm picking up my 02 NBM Z-28 this weekend! It's RJC00SS's former car, going saturday.