MOBIL1 is a blend now!?
03-06-2007, 04:14 PM
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MOBIL1 is a blend now!? Just moved back to California from Japan and heard from a buddy in a 350Z club that Mobil 1 is now a mix. Well that sucks!!! So what do you guys run now for full synthetic action?
03-06-2007, 04:29 PM
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unless they changed it about 2 months ago i put fully synthetic in mine 
unless theyre just putting that on the front... but that would be false advertisement
unless theyre just putting that on the front... but that would be false advertisement
03-06-2007, 04:30 PM
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If you call GpIII hydrocracked oil "synthetic", yeah, they still make it.
If you call "synthetic" 85-95% PAO with only enough conventional oil to carry the additives, well, no it isn't.
If you call "synthetic" 85-95% PAO with only enough conventional oil to carry the additives, well, no it isn't.
03-06-2007, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Incredible
If you call GpIII hydrocracked oil "synthetic", yeah, they still make it.
03-06-2007, 08:21 PM
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SignedFor4, your buddy was correct for some weights, but maybe not on others. You'll have to ask him to specify which one he was talking about.
The concensus at the BITOG site is that some weights may still be largely GpIV but some weights have gone to a GpIII blend.
The wording on the bottles and at the website no longer allude to what we all know as "real synthetic." There are now weasle-words and marketing phrases that aren't confidence inspiring. Pour temps and flash temps have changed. Some used oil analysis haven't been as good as they used to be.
Top it all off with emails back from Mobil that say they can't talk about what their blends are, and it shouldn't matter anyway because isn't it all about performance?
No, there is no Santa Clause, Easter Bunny, or a complete Mobil lineup of purely true synthetic oils. What ARE they made of? Well, nobody knows for sure.
And, really, should we expect anything different? Once they lost the court battle over what "synthetic" really means they would be fools to continue making a true PAO-based oil and charging the same as other companies charge for their blends. And, are we overreacting a bit when somebody tells us about it and we get all depressed?
Yeah, it was good while it lasted. But there are some great oils out there still. It's just that we have to get off our butts and ferret them out.
Mobil1 is still a good oil, but it isn't what it used to be over the entire lineup. Now, however, oil technology has advanced tremendously in the last decade and there are many fine oils to choose from.
The concensus at the BITOG site is that some weights may still be largely GpIV but some weights have gone to a GpIII blend.
The wording on the bottles and at the website no longer allude to what we all know as "real synthetic." There are now weasle-words and marketing phrases that aren't confidence inspiring. Pour temps and flash temps have changed. Some used oil analysis haven't been as good as they used to be.
Top it all off with emails back from Mobil that say they can't talk about what their blends are, and it shouldn't matter anyway because isn't it all about performance?
No, there is no Santa Clause, Easter Bunny, or a complete Mobil lineup of purely true synthetic oils. What ARE they made of? Well, nobody knows for sure.
And, really, should we expect anything different? Once they lost the court battle over what "synthetic" really means they would be fools to continue making a true PAO-based oil and charging the same as other companies charge for their blends. And, are we overreacting a bit when somebody tells us about it and we get all depressed?
Yeah, it was good while it lasted. But there are some great oils out there still. It's just that we have to get off our butts and ferret them out.
Mobil1 is still a good oil, but it isn't what it used to be over the entire lineup. Now, however, oil technology has advanced tremendously in the last decade and there are many fine oils to choose from.
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03-06-2007, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RPM WS6
Isn't the M1 0W40 and 5W40 still a group 4?
A quick perusal of the Mobil1 site shows that the only M1 weights that mention SuperSyn in their makeup are the 0w-20, 5w-20, and 15w-50.
What that means, only Mobil knows for sure.
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I thought, according to the BITOGers, that the EP labeled stuff at least had the chance of being group 4 basestocks?? I'm pretty sure the Mobil 1 R oil(s) is/are grp. 4, but I've NEVER seen it for sale anywhere in the states yet.
I would run Pennzoil Platinum before any of the regular, Non EP Mobil 1s, especially before the 5W-30 M1. If you get in on the Pep Boyz rebates it's 1/3 the price as well.
I would run Pennzoil Platinum before any of the regular, Non EP Mobil 1s, especially before the 5W-30 M1. If you get in on the Pep Boyz rebates it's 1/3 the price as well.