Dynamometer Results & Comparisons - Cam only Ls1 440rwhp (Vengeance + Harris Tune)

Lets just say this cam kicks some ass.

Vengeance Vindicator Cam

Specs: 240/244 608/598 112

Vehicle Mods
2002 Ws6
SLP Lid (K&N)
SLP FFRA
Gran MAS
BW ported TB
ASP Pulley
SSauto 1 3/4 headers
QTP Ypipe
Flowmaster CB
4.10 gear (8.8 rear)
42lb inj

Please excuse the shitty graph. I will post a high res color copy tomorrow.

Only items added were the injectors and Harris Tune. I am floored to say the least.

All numbers SAE corrected. Uncorrected were 459/430. I have this graph as well. A/F was about 12.8 near peak. 42 inj saw about 68% duty cycle. Timing was 29. Idle 900rpm. Again, I will post a MUCH better graph tomorrow.

Yes, it hunts for idle when cold, about 20 seconds unassisted.

Vindicator Idle Video (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/e5d4ad6b-818c-4f33-9732-98ef01015db5.htm)

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/2183000-2183999/2183255_11_full.jpg

WOW! very impressive. I'd like to see what it would have been with a Fast 90/90, and then some good heads.

that's badass......nice smooth powerband

I will be getting some track times on St Patty's day at Cecil with video. Got a grudge race against my boys bolt-on 2.76 pulley cobra.

that tq is nasty, post up some track numbers asap

u should get some truduals and a fast 90/90 and see where the power goes!!

All the dyno #'s I've seen from there were higher than normal, but good #'s I guess. A cutout's worth 20-30rwhp over the flowmaster, and a fast 90/90's worth what 10rwhp? That would put you at 470-480rwhp cam only if you want to believe those #'s.

All the dyno #'s I've seen from there were higher than normal, but good #'s I guess. A cutout's worth 20-30rwhp over the flowmaster, and a fast 90/90's worth what 10rwhp? That would put you at 470-480rwhp cam only if you want to believe those #'s.

That didn't take long...

:(

I will be getting some track times on St Patty's day at Cecil with video. Got a grudge race against my boys bolt-on 2.76 pulley cobra.


HAHA,I'm getting married that day! Good luck. I hope you kick his ass! :drive:

Major props to Vengence. Nice work! :chug:

That didn't take long...

:(

Cmon even you have to know those #'s are hard to believe, expecially through a flowmaster, one of my friends gained 25rwhp with a cutout and he only put down 375rwhp. Now if you go to the track and trap 122+ I'll shut my mouth. :drive:

Cmon even you have to know those #'s are hard to believe, expecially through a flowmaster, one of my friends gained 25rwhp with a cutout and he only put down 375rwhp. Now if you go to the track and trap 122+ I'll shut my mouth. :drive:

Considering what the car trapped before the cam, you probably will be shutting up.

Cmon even you have to know those #'s are hard to believe, expecially through a flowmaster, one of my friends gained 25rwhp with a cutout and he only put down 375rwhp. Now if you go to the track and trap 122+ I'll shut my mouth. :drive:


Actually open your eyes, and check out the other Vengeance cm only threads on some of the other forums, that haven't used this dyno. Numbers are not far off at all.

As for the flowmaster, this muffler has a delta series big block part number, not sure if that is the same or different then what Flowmaster intended to use on the kit.

Thirdly, post some examples of high numbers from Harris, and back up your claims.

I searched the dyno forum for Harris. 12 threads come up, only one (bolt-on A4 - 360rwhp) seemed off. All the others were spot on.

Those are some SICK numbers! Definitely want to see how she does at the track.

Healthy sized cam there... Very nice numbers!

Lets just say this cam kicks some ass.

Vengeance Vindicator Cam

Specs: 240/244 608/598 112

Vehicle Mods
2002 Ws6
SLP Lid (K&N)
SLP FFRA
Gran MAS
BW ported TB
ASP Pulley
SSauto 1 3/4 headers
QTP Ypipe
Flowmaster CB
4.10 gear (8.8 rear)
42lb inj

Please excuse the shitty graph. I will post a high res color copy tomorrow.

Only items added were the injectors and Harris Tune. I am floored to say the least.

All numbers SAE corrected. Uncorrected were 459/430. I have this graph as well. A/F was about 12.8 near peak. 42 inj saw about 68% duty cycle. Timing was 29. Again, I will post a MUCH better graph tomorrow.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/2183000-2183999/2183255_10_full.jpg
WOW!!! :hail: Very nice number! Do you need to flycut your piston with that cam ? Now It's time to put some heads and a 90/90 set up... :D

WOW!!! :hail: Very nice number! Do you need to flycut your piston with that cam ? Now It's time to put some heads and a 90/90 set up... :D

No flycutting here!

I refuse to pay for a 90/90. Going the ported Typhoon/90 route when their LS1/LS2 intake comes out with the bigger TB opening.

yeah that torque curve looks AWESOME. cant wait to see the ET's. you need some good tires though. you should be in the 1.5's with a 4.10 gear, t56, that kind of power. but it'll be tough to get it to hook with those tires. but judging by your old mods/ETs looks like your doin pretty good job of driving that car. Im very curious how that 8.8 rear will hold up for you. do you have any pics of that torque arm setup I can see? if so pm me some.

yeah that torque curve looks AWESOME. cant wait to see the ET's. you need some good tires though. you should be in the 1.5's with a 4.10 gear, t56, that kind of power. but it'll be tough to get it to hook with those tires. but judging by your old mods/ETs looks like your doin pretty good job of driving that car. Im very curious how that 8.8 rear will hold up for you. do you have any pics of that torque arm setup I can see? if so pm me some.

Thanks. If you search my name in the driveline forum my post should come right up with all kinds of pics of the torque arm mount. Its solid.

What kind of dyno is that on? That graph doesn't look like Winpep Dynojet.

What kind of dyno is that on? That graph doesn't look like Winpep Dynojet.


Not sure. Maybe HSW can chime in if its not a dynojet.

I just looked at their site. It is a Dynocom DC-1800XSE Eddy Dynamometer. It's hard to compare numbers from different brand dynos.

Damn !! Very impressive numbers man :devil:

Lets just say this cam kicks some ass.

Vengeance Vindicator Cam

Specs: 240/244 608/598 112


:secret2:

peace

I'm gonna attempt to back these up on Tuesday on a Dynojet 224. Gut feeling is they will be 5-10 lower on Tuesday.

I just looked at their site. It is a Dynocom DC-1800XSE Eddy Dynamometer. It's hard to compare numbers from different brand dynos.

It's a mustang dyno, but apparently its calibrated to run with dyno-jets.

I'm gonna attempt to back these up on Tuesday on a Dynojet 224. Gut feeling is they will be 5-10 lower on Tuesday.

I'de save ur $$ unless you want to pay for dyno #'s, track #'s (mph for power) are what count not dyno #'s. :chug: Hell my old combo woulda only put out 380-385rwhp tops (got valve float past 5800 and I never got a chance to get it back on the dyno before it blew a head gasket), but I still managed 118mph in a full weight car in the 1/4. If you trap 122+ you obviously are backing up the #'s, but if you are <120 then something is obviously wrong. I'm curious to see how it runs.

I'de save ur $$ unless you want to pay for dyno #'s, track #'s (mph for power) are what count not dyno #'s. :chug: Hell my old combo woulda only put out 380-385rwhp tops (got valve float past 5800 and I never got a chance to get it back on the dyno before it blew a head gasket), but I still managed 118mph in a full weight car in the 1/4. If you trap 122+ you obviously are backing up the #'s, but if you are <120 then something is obviously wrong. I'm curious to see how it runs.

Your right, screw it. I'll get the real numbers Saturday at the track.

good luck at the track...should get some nice numbers!!

Um, no it's not, it's a Dynocom Dyno. Regardless look forword to seeing some track numbers. :)

Matt

It's a mustang dyno, but apparently its calibrated to run with dyno-jets.

Congrats on the numbers! Tq. curve is killer. Looks like 400 @ about 3400ish and carries all the way over to about 5700ish. Not too shabby!

I swear... it's never enough for some folks, but when it is, all of a sudden it's BS.

I guess it must be true that everyone who uses VRD's cams or H/C combos is also useing bad dyno's/operators that are over inflating the numbers........ :eyes:

Then when their junk goes 6's @ 100+ or traps 120 or better in full weight street cars, it's once again still not quite enough :bang:

So sad- :cry:

I was at the shop yesterday drooling over my new VRD L92 stroker build when Ron got your e-mail.
Brought a smile to everyone's face :cheers:

Look forward to seeing some more impressive numbers out of the VRD camp- :chug:

I saw your car there, That's going to be a nice set-up...

Cmon even you have to know those #'s are hard to believe, expecially through a flowmaster, one of my friends gained 25rwhp with a cutout and he only put down 375rwhp. Now if you go to the track and trap 122+ I'll shut my mouth. :drive:

Mine makes 410 and traps 122+, so that should be 124-5

Congrats on the numbers! Tq. curve is killer. Looks like 400 @ about 3400ish and carries all the way over to about 5700ish. Not too shabby!

I swear... it's never enough for some folks, but when it is, all of a sudden it's BS.

I guess it must be true that everyone who uses VRD's cams or H/C combos is also useing bad dyno's/operators that are over inflating the numbers........ :eyes:

Then when their junk goes 6's @ 100+ or traps 120 or better in full weight street cars, it's once again still not quite enough :bang:

So sad- :cry:

I was at the shop yesterday drooling over my new VRD L92 stroker build when Ron got your e-mail.
Brought a smile to everyone's face :cheers:

Look forward to seeing some more impressive numbers out of the VRD camp- :chug:

Brought a smile to mine as well. Can't wait for Saturday.

Somewhat better graph posted.

Mine makes 410 and traps 122+, so that should be 124-5


How heavy?

Congrats on the #'s ! Cant wait to see your track results

Mines full weight m6 and traps between 123-125. Mostly mid 124's. 446/415 to the wheels.

OK, I seriously don't understand how someone is getting 400 ft/lbs at 3,500 RPM's on a stock cube LS1 with stock heads, intake and a 240 dur camshaft.

Can anyone explains this to me, cause I'm lost????

compression! It's advanced :), that's the only thing that makes sense to me.

Get rid of that Flowmaster Catback. People have gained 20+ rwhp by switching to a better exhaust, even the stock exhaust has given people better numbers on the dyno.

So true duals + 90/90 = 480 rwhp cam only? :confused:

Or go for true duals, TFS 215's and ported 90/90 for 550 rwhp NA 346? :confused:

compression! It's advanced :), that's the only thing that makes sense to me.

Yeah but isn't this the same camshaft?

Close to the same exact setup....

How do you get 30 more ft/lbs at 3,500 RPM's?

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=651647

I'm not trying to crack on anyone, Vengenance obviously knows what they are doing and have way more experience than I'll ever have, I'm just trying to understand how this car is making that much power. I went with a 228/232 in my LS2 GTO just to get this kind of a torque curve and gave up some topend to do so. This just looks like the best of both worlds and I don't understand how they got it.

Wow nice numbers. that thing should run good now. how do you like your HSW tune? i just got mine back from them a couple weeks ago and couldnt be happier. great people to deal with. also where at in philly are you?

Yeah but isn't this the same camshaft?

Close to the same exact setup....

How do you get 30 more ft/lbs at 3,500 RPM's?

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=651647

I'm not trying to crack on anyone, Vengenance obviously knows what they are doing and have way more experience than I'll ever have, I'm just trying to understand how this car is making that much power. I went with a 228/232 in my LS2 GTO just to get this kind of a torque curve and gave up some topend to do so. This just looks like the best of both worlds and I don't understand how they got it.

A Dynojet and a Dynocom Dyno are not going to spit out the same numbers even on the same car.

Exactly! Similar yes, but not the same (unlike a Mustang vs. Dyno Jet dyno). Just like you wouldn't see the same numbers from two of the same model dynos on the same day. Dyno numbers are inertia, I use the load cell for dialing in VE & A/F, final numbers are inertia.

Matt


A Dynojet and a Dynocom Dyno are not going to spit out the same numbers even on the same car.

Congrats man very strong numbers. Its funny how when its done at vengeance the numbers are too high and when its done by some other guy in a shop 5 states away the numbers are still too high. Nothing counts unless you run a number at the track that someone else says is the right one either.

Cecil Country in MD. I believe it is sea level. I will post them after my hangover on Sunday, for a whole new round of fun!

I will also post a idle video tomorrow. Sounds wicked. :devil:

Congrats on some truly impressive dyno numbers. Ron told me about your car when I called him from the track today. Hit the track and post the results. They're going to certainly be impressive. Good luck.

Exactly! Similar yes, but not the same (unlike a Mustang vs. Dyno Jet dyno). Just like you wouldn't see the same numbers from two of the same model dynos on the same day. Dyno numbers are inertia, I use the load cell for dialing in VE & A/F, final numbers are inertia.

Matt

I know they won't spit out the exact same numbers but shouldn't the curve be close?

This car has 400 ft/lbs from 3.5K to 5.5K approx. with a very flat TQ curve
The other Z06 only makes 400 ft/lbs from 4.5K to 5.5K with approx the same peak TQ and HP figures but the curve looks more bell shaped.

It's just that extra TQ down low between 3.5K to 4.5K that I don't get

I know they won't spit out the exact same numbers but shouldn't the curve be close?

This car has 400 ft/lbs from 3.5K to 5.5K approx. with a very flat TQ curve
The other Z06 only makes 400 ft/lbs from 4.5K to 5.5K with approx the same peak TQ and HP figures but the curve looks more bell shaped.

It's just that extra TQ down low between 3.5K to 4.5K that I don't get

42lb injectors, smaller exhaust, different heads, tune? I have no idea. I do know that this is the first LS1 with this cam.

Should be a good time on saturday. I am the other car he is running. 03 Cobra (CAI, Magnaflow catback, 2.76 pulley, predator with mile hi dyno tune.... We had a little chance to run on saturday when he picked up the car and it seems that it will be a VERY close race. Cars with my mods have trapped in the 120-123 mph range i believe.

Damn, I think I may have found a good cam to look into. Do you DD your car, have you gotten any good mpg estimates yet, or is it still too new for you to keep your foot out of the happy pedal? Anyways, good numbers, will be watching for updates on times/speeds at the track.

Damn, I think I may have found a good cam to look into. Do you DD your car, have you gotten any good mpg estimates yet, or is it still too new for you to keep your foot out of the happy pedal? Anyways, good numbers, will be watching for updates on times/speeds at the track.


I have not had a chance to tripometer a tank of gas, but you know how you have that period of time when the tank is full before the needle starts to move? Well, it seems to take just as long as before. Hope that helps.

That's going to hands-down destroy your steel-to-nodular iron welded torque arm bracket.

Ben T.

That's going to hands-down destroy your steel-to-nodular iron welded torque arm bracket.

Ben T.

Pretty interesting comment seeing how you coppied 95% of my design. Were my pics helpful? :ripped:

You should pay me a royalty...

Pretty interesting comment seeing how you coppied 95% of my design. Were my pics helpful? :ripped:

You should pay me a royalty...

Hey man congrats on the results!!!! Its nice to see a camshaft installed hundreds of miles away from our shop and tuned hundreds of miles away from our shop and still get awesome results!!!!

Go hit some 120s in th 1/4!!!!! Just think... TrickFlows and a FAST 90 and you are in the 500rwhp club :D

Yeah seriously if everyone could hear that cam in person people wouldn't doubt the number it puts out. It makes my tsp 233 cry and run into the corner...

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/vengeance/0/388ab011-8cae-4a1b-b578-98d9014de1d8.htm

That cam definitely sounds mean'r Hell. I've got that same cam and love it. When I cranked it up at the track yesterday it turned heads. It's a good feeling. Wait til you go to the track. You'll get the respect you deserve.

Yeah seriously if everyone could hear that cam in person people wouldn't doubt the number it puts out. It makes my tsp 233 cry and run into the corner...

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/vengeance/0/388ab011-8cae-4a1b-b578-98d9014de1d8.htm

How a cam sounds doesn't dictate how "bad ass" it is or what kind of power it will make. I think the numbers are off myself. 440 without a fast 90, using a horrible flowing catback, 4.10 gears, and making 380rwtq @ 3k rpms.

I hope to see some 125-126mph traps outta this "440" rwhp car :judge:

LMFAO... We have made 440rwhp 4 times at our shop cam only.... Now this guy hundreds of miles away does it and its not real :rolleyes:

I guess SmokinStorm that made the fake 450rwhp unlocked and is now running 10.70s@126mph with the same camshaft in an A4 is lying also... Along with Brad02Z06 who made over 500rwhp with heads/FAST/Our Vindicator camshaft/ Or how bout Dre01Z06 that made 440rwhp with an LS6 intake/stock heads.... The list goes on and on... but so do the haters :D :D :D

Pretty interesting comment seeing how you coppied 95% of my design. Were my pics helpful? :ripped:

You should pay me a royalty...

Royalty my ass... :jest:

I know better than to weld iron-to-steel- I'm an engineer. I'm on my 2nd generation design. My first was better than yours and still broke. I'm not trying to be rude, just being frank. Also, I started my 8.8" long before you posted any kind of pictures about yours, and I can assure you I did not take any ideas from you.

Anyway, that's besides the point, GREAT job cam-only!

Ben T.

How heavy?

Shoudl be about 3550 or so, maybe 3500. Drag radials on welds, leather interior M6, reg battery up front, 3 optima batteries in the back for wheelie weight, ( I get bored easy) no top part of the back seats, no spare tire, tubular k memmber/a arms

Ive only made 6 passes with the car, and only 2 where I could get it to go into every gear. With it making 410 I wont think its 100% until it goes 124. Lose the stock mufflers it makes 435, and I expect 126 or so once everything is lined out.

Even dynojet type numbers, 440 Id be expecting 122 at 3600 or a bit more lbs

compression! It's advanced :), that's the only thing that makes sense to me.
You cant make that much compression really on unmilled stock heads, and you cant advance a 240 dur lobe that far before you hit apiston. About a 106-107 intake centerline is as far forward as your gonna get.

Added cam idle video to first post.

My car is 100% full weight ws6 minus spare tire and jack. I weigh 255lbs.

What you go on a diet for our race? LOL :drive:

You cant make that much compression really on unmilled stock heads, and you cant advance a 240 dur lobe that far before you hit apiston. About a 106-107 intake centerline is as far forward as your gonna get.

So with that said, what is the compression on this setup 347?

Give us the full specs!! :)

I read your posts, but maybe I missed something.

Thanks!

HOLY CRAP...nice numbers

LMFAO... We have made 440rwhp 4 times at our shop cam only.... Now this guy hundreds of miles away does it and its not real :rolleyes:

I guess SmokinStorm that made the fake 450rwhp unlocked and is now running 10.70s@126mph with the same camshaft in an A4 is lying also... Along with Brad02Z06 who made over 500rwhp with heads/FAST/Our Vindicator camshaft/ Or how bout Dre01Z06 that made 440rwhp with an LS6 intake/stock heads.... The list goes on and on... but so do the haters :D :D :D

I'm not a hater what so ever. Asking questions is far from straight up calling bullshit. You didn't answer them either. How does a stock headed, ls6 intake, bolt on car with a HORRIBLE exhaust, 4.10 gears(we know these soak up power) a 240/244 cam with poor DCR and make 380rwtq @ 3k rpms? Or 440rwhp for that matter? I could understand if this was a max-effort fully optimized combo, but its falling rather short of that don't you think? I can easily see a z06 make 435-440rwhp with a good sized cam because of the heads(ls6) and the bump in compression.

If the LSA is a 112 and it is advanced 4 degrees for a 108 ICL. That would make the DCR 7.95 with the SCR being 10.37 on a stock head LS1.

Correct me if my numbers are off.


Brad

I'm not a hater what so ever. Asking questions is far from straight up calling bullshit. You didn't answer them either. How does a stock headed, ls6 intake, bolt on car with a HORRIBLE exhaust, 4.10 gears(we know these soak up power) a 240/244 cam with poor DCR and make 380rwtq @ 3k rpms? Or 440rwhp for that matter? I could understand if this was a max-effort fully optimized combo, but its falling rather short of that don't you think? I can easily see a z06 make 435-440rwhp with a good sized cam because of the heads(ls6) and the bump in compression.


I really don't know what else to say except lets just see what she runs after Sat.

As far as compression, it is 100% stock. heads have never been lifted off this car. I do have the heads with the triangle under the spark plugs (SPM tooling). Other than that, don't know what else to tell people except for hopefully she traps 122+.

nice numbers. what kind of power did you make when you trapped 115 with boltons? thats a fast bolt on car.

Shoudl be about 3550 or so, maybe 3500. Drag radials on welds, leather interior M6, reg battery up front, 3 optima batteries in the back for wheelie weight, ( I get bored easy) no top part of the back seats, no spare tire, tubular k memmber/a arms

Ive only made 6 passes with the car, and only 2 where I could get it to go into every gear. With it making 410 I wont think its 100% until it goes 124. Lose the stock mufflers it makes 435, and I expect 126 or so once everything is lined out.

Even dynojet type numbers, 440 Id be expecting 122 at 3600 or a bit more lbs


3550lbs, 410rwhp & 124 traps??? you better have some damn good weather and driving.

3550lbs, 410rwhp & 124 traps??? you better have some damn good weather and driving.

His Mustang Dyno hurts peopls feelings.

But the cars run at the track :drive:

Go hit some 120s in th 1/4!!!!! Just think... TrickFlows and a FAST 90 and you are in the 500rwhp club :D


Make me that sweet labor free deal you offered a few weeks ago, and I will drive down there within the month. Money is ready and waiting... :drive:

I really don't know what else to say except lets just see what she runs after Sat.

As far as compression, it is 100% stock. heads have never been lifted off this car. I do have the heads with the triangle under the spark plugs (SPM tooling). Other than that, don't know what else to tell people except for hopefully she traps 122+.

Hey man, its all good :) Good luck at the track man, hope you hit them traps you're looking for. Would be sweet :thumb:

SOmeone knows how to tune the hell out of a car is all i can say.. Ive never seen a cam only car get numbers like that :eek: awesome man purely awesome.

go to the track and get it done. i have no doubt it should turn out good for ya. hurry and let us konw

A cutout's worth 20-30rwhp over the flowmaster,

Thats funny, the most I have seen a car pick up from a flowmaster to open cutout is 10 hp

Thats funny, the most I have seen a car pick up from a flowmaster to open cutout is 10 hp

Years ago mine picked up 20 with a cut out.

Flowmaster sucks .....but it sounded good.

Thats funny, the most I have seen a car pick up from a flowmaster to open cutout is 10 hp
The more you are trying to push through it, the more you lose...

Wow very nice numbers. 400lbs of torque at 3500rpm. I cant wait to see the track times. Man the bar just keeps getting higher and higher.

i put down 444.4 and am traping 120's and 130's on the bottle all i can say is harris speed works cant be that far off because my car proves itself time and time especialy on the street. good luck time for some juice now

I'm not a hater what so ever. Asking questions is far from straight up calling bullshit. You didn't answer them either. How does a stock headed, ls6 intake, bolt on car with a HORRIBLE exhaust, 4.10 gears(we know these soak up power) a 240/244 cam with poor DCR and make 380rwtq @ 3k rpms? Or 440rwhp for that matter? I could understand if this was a max-effort fully optimized combo, but its falling rather short of that don't you think? I can easily see a z06 make 435-440rwhp with a good sized cam because of the heads(ls6) and the bump in compression.

You are not in the wrong. High numbers get questioned. The fast cars get questioned. Nascar tears down cars after every race. The problem is that some people and some shops refuse to believe their dyno might be more friendly than others, or maybe they are tweaking things on purpose for higher numbers. I don't know. But they don't see doubt or a want of proof as anything other than criticism, bs calls, and cheap shots. In my experince these types of people have something to hide. Most people on the legit up and up have no trouble backing up their claims.

3550lbs, 410rwhp & 124 traps??? you better have some damn good weather and driving.

85 degrees and it was the first time Ive driven a stick car down the track in 3 years. Maybe the car is a little lighter aroud 3450, but still 400 rwhp shoudl traps 120

A few years agowe had 3700 lb 385 hp cam only M6 trap 120. Ive got 25 on Brents setup and a hundred fifty lbs, with sloppy driving it went an easy 122

Should be a good time on saturday. I am the other car he is running. 03 Cobra (CAI, Magnaflow catback, 2.76 pulley, predator with mile hi dyno tune.... We had a little chance to run on saturday when he picked up the car and it seems that it will be a VERY close race. Cars with my mods have trapped in the 120-123 mph range i believe.


Your gonna need more than that to beat his car.

Most cobras w/ your mods trap 118-120, 120 if you can drive. powershift that bitch, keep it in boost. Fairless' car will trap 124 no prob.

you need a ported blower and long tubes if ya wann a trap 122-125.

Good luck, should be a close run :chug:

85 degrees and it was the first time Ive driven a stick car down the track in 3 years. Maybe the car is a little lighter aroud 3450, but still 400 rwhp shoudl traps 120



400rwhp & 120 traps sound right.....400rwhp & 124 traps...does not unless your driving a very light car in great weather.

400rwhp & 120 traps sound right.....400rwhp & 124 traps...does not unless your driving a very light car in great weather.

Like I said weve had 3750 lb car/386 hp on Djet SAE/120 change traps before in good air, and 119 in 70 degree normal stuff

122 came easy driving it worse than my grandmother at 85+ degrees, 124 in good air is what I would expect from 410 or so - 440 in decent air I expect 126 at 3500 lbs for sure

Thats some stout #'s, be proud of it.

I just don't want to lose track of this thread. I want to know what he traps at the track!

I guess the pressure is defintly on to perform...

I don't think I will be powershifting, ever since I went the chrome-moly flywheel and spec 4 route, I have not been able to powershift what so ever. Sucks.

I'll give it a few trys though.

What type of hydrualics do you have?


And the pressure to perform isnt up to you. It's the car. You dont have to have a good driver or even good tires to make good trap speeds. Trap is what tells the power number, ET shows how well the car is set up to go 1/4 mile from a stop.

holy hell!! congrats!!!!! very nice numbers

-brandon

lemme now when you head to atco!!

Impressive... but I care more about ET's so hurry up and get it at the track!!

Interestingly smooth dyno graph. See it run at the track, I'll believe it, and back up the belief with my money for that cam in my otherwise stock 98 SS.

BTW... Stock valves? I know that cam isn't running on stock springs, how about lifters?

um wow....thats awesome!! always hear good thing about Harris!

[QUOTE=Specialized]What type of hydrualics do you have?

QUOTE]

Stock 02 hydraulics.

Chrome-moly flywheel?

WTF did they start making those? Did I freakin' miss something. I hate when I never hear of something.

Found them on Ebay. Spec 4 pucks are only sitting on the flywheel surface about 80%. Rest hang off towards the center. Weird.

BTW... Stock valves? I know that cam isn't running on stock springs, how about lifters?

Heads were never off. They are the SPM heads from the factory. Lifters are stock. Spring and retainers are the patriot dual golds with Titanium retainers I belive. Cam in a kit from Vengeance.

SPM heads? Help me out here...never heard of those. How do these compare with stock?

I was under the impression that these numbers were with "stock" heads...either LS1 or LS6 maybe.

Im not sure what "spm" heads are, but he's refering to a special type of stock heads far as I can tell. I have no idea what he's talking about though.

Well, after a quick search, I found two different descriptions of them...so I'll let him clarify. Either description did say they were worth a "marginal" gain over the typical LS1 head.

Interesting...never heard of this before.

http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/general_motors_gen_iii_engine_cylinder_heads/photo_03.html

LMFAO... We have made 440rwhp 4 times at our shop cam only.... Now this guy hundreds of miles away does it and its not real :rolleyes:

I guess SmokinStorm that made the fake 450rwhp unlocked and is now running 10.70s@126mph with the same camshaft in an A4 is lying also... Along with Brad02Z06 who made over 500rwhp with heads/FAST/Our Vindicator camshaft/ Or how bout Dre01Z06 that made 440rwhp with an LS6 intake/stock heads.... The list goes on and on... but so do the haters :D :D :D

I just thought it was hard to believe through a flowmaster catback since my friend gained 30rwhp with his cutout over his at the mid-upper 300rwhp level, but apparently its not the standard POS one. I know 440rwhp isn't a problem cam only, and I'm sure out of any shop out there you guys could pull it off just as easy as the next, and you guys obviously put out some sick combo's and I'm not doubting you guys one bit. Hopefully he backs up the dyno #'s with some badass track #'s.

I just thought it was hard to believe through a flowmaster catback since my friend gained 30rwhp with his cutout over his at the mid-upper 300rwhp level, but apparently its not the standard POS one. I know 440rwhp isn't a problem cam only, and I'm sure out of any shop out there you guys could pull it off just as easy as the next, and you guys obviously put out some sick combo's and I'm not doubting you guys one bit. Hopefully he backs up the dyno #'s with some badass track #'s.


I will get under the car asap and find the part number on the muffler. I was told by an exhaust guy who sells Flowmaster that it was a big block series part number.

For the love of GOD, I know it needs to run hard on Saturday!

As for the SPM heads, that article is what I am referring too. Run out to your cars and check, just finger under the spark plug hole and feel for the triangle in the pictures. Mine are the stock LS1 heads for 2002. 241 I believe. Good news is 2 out of 3 Ls1's have them. I feel sorry for the ones that dont... :(

I will get under the car asap and find the part number on the muffler. I was told by an exhaust guy who sells Flowmaster that it was a big block series part number.

For the love of GOD, I know it needs to run hard on Saturday!

As for the SPM heads, that article is what I am referring too. Run out to your cars and check, just finger under the spark plug hole and feel for the triangle in the pictures. Mine are the stock LS1 heads for 2002. 241 I believe. Good news is 2 out of 3 Ls1's have them. I feel sorry for the ones that dont... :(

An e-cutout would be better. :drive: Or the best, some true duals, but some people don't want loud as daily drivers.

Nice numbers!

I just picked up an 04' GTO ls1 swap Im putting in a 240sx and I was looking for some stuff to do to it before I installed it. Looks like I may have found some.

G/L at the track!

I have to admit, the sound level is perfect for this car. It's louder on the outside, but relativel quiet at speed (2000rpms). Stock radio sounds fine. Get on it, and everything gets loud.

The wife is already pissed that the "gear swap" that the car just had made the car ALOT louder...lol

I'm not a hater what so ever. Asking questions is far from straight up calling bullshit. You didn't answer them either. How does a stock headed, ls6 intake, bolt on car with a HORRIBLE exhaust, 4.10 gears(we know these soak up power) a 240/244 cam with poor DCR and make 380rwtq @ 3k rpms? Or 440rwhp for that matter? I could understand if this was a max-effort fully optimized combo, but its falling rather short of that don't you think? I can easily see a z06 make 435-440rwhp with a good sized cam because of the heads(ls6) and the bump in compression.




It is not our jobs here at Vengeance Racing to teach you ANYTHING. :) Or give you a answer to your question so YOU understand.


We are sending several more of these cams out and I am sure more people will post up and THEN WHAT??? Global Warming the Cold War what's next??? :eyes:

It is not our jobs here at Vengeance Racing to teach you ANYTHING. :) Or give you a answer to your questions so YOU understand.


We are sending several more of these cams out and I am sure more people will post up and THEN WHAT??? Global Warming the Cold War what's next.

Not exactly something I'd expect from an owner :eyes:

I didn't ask you to teach me jack shit pal, I asked for a simple answer about something that isnt going to be duplicated evey time. Thanks for dancing around all the questions too, obviously you cant explain it which is what called for your "fine example" of a response. Guess there will always be those "ringers" :eyes: I was just asking simple questions(for EVERYONE to understand, not just me), didnt know I was asking to be taught anything.

It is not our jobs here at Vengeance Racing to teach you ANYTHING. :) Or give you a answer to your question so YOU understand.


We are sending several more of these cams out and I am sure more people will post up and THEN WHAT??? Global Warming the Cold War what's next??? :eyes:

Please, please, please let me buy something from you!

What an attitude, I thought a tech forum was to share info. If someone posts results and wants additional info on a Supporting Vendors product I would expect answers (as long as it doesn't jepordize their business) which this may but posts like that are uncalled for and make me want to call up a competitor and buy something from them. :(

347fairless good luck at the track, I'm sure you'll be happy with your setup and you've answered all the question on your setup with class!

did you have to flycutt?

did you have to flycutt?
no he didn't

how much is the cam advanced?

It is not our jobs here at Vengeance Racing to teach you ANYTHING. :) Or give you a answer to your question so YOU understand.


We are sending several more of these cams out and I am sure more people will post up and THEN WHAT??? Global Warming the Cold War what's next??? :eyes:


what the hell is that??? And here I was one of the people that was e-mailing Ron about ordering that cam..........was going to do that today....maybe I should re-think!

what the hell is that??? And here I was one of the people that was e-mailing Ron about ordering that cam..........was going to do that today....maybe I should re-think!


For the sensitive guys if you notice the :) it was a joke and so was the Global warming comment and Cold war comment.

So.......how sorry are you?????

5% off all Vengance Racing cams and cam swap related products?? :nod:

or my favorite

10% off all Vengance Racing cams and cam swap related products?? :D

You could really "Vindicate" your self here!!! :naughty:

I am running the stock driveshaft with a better yoke at the rear? Any issues I need to be aware of at this level?

So.......how sorry are you?????

5% off all Vengance Racing cams and cam swap related products?? :nod:

or my favorite

10% off all Vengance Racing cams and cam swap related products?? :D

You could really "Vindicate" your self here!!! :naughty:

Sorry come on guys lighten up :drive:

Seems to me you need a Vindicator. :) PM me and I will make it happen cheap and when not IF your car makes power you can post it up and you will be converted to the Vengeance WAY :devil:

Sorry come on guys lighten up :drive:

Seems to me you need a Vindicator. :) PM me and I will make it happen cheap and when not IF your car makes power you can post it up and you will be converted to the Vengeance WAY :devil:


If you give me an extra 100+ hp......all is forgivin!!! You have a PM!!

Not exactly something I'd expect from an owner :eyes:
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What would you expect? He's just as human as the rest of us, regardless of what he owns. You've been badgering him to explain what he's already explained. A dyno has been posted, along with a complete list of all mods to the car. Even other examples with similar results. Your question has been answered, yet you keep finding reasons to question it. I remember when a posted dyno was all the proof needed. And maybe some times, but atleast let him get to the track as he stated he was doing.

What else is he supposed to explain?? How in the world is he supposed to explain EXACTLY how a gain at a certain RPM was made, other than showing a complete list of mods?

I'd bet you still wouldn't be happy if a vid was posted of a complete tear down of the car. I guess no matter what is said or done, theres always the naysayers.

What would you expect? He's just as human as the rest of us, regardless of what he owns. You've been badgering him to explain what he's already explained. A dyno has been posted, along with a complete list of all mods to the car. Even other examples with similar results. You're question has been answered, yet you keep finding reasons to question it. I remember when a posted dyno was all the proof needed. And maybe some times, but atleast let him get to the track as he stated he was doing.

What else is he supposed to explain?? How in the world is he supposed to explain EXACTLY how a gain at a certain RPM was made, other than showing a complete list of mods?

I'd bet you still wouldn't be happy if a vid was posted of a complete tear down of the car. I guess no matter what is said or done, theres always the naysayers.


Bingo!
What flavor cookie would you like?

Here comes the firestorm.

Track is cancelled this Saturday due to horrendous weather. I will be doing my best to get to the track during next week. No one is more dissapointed than me.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

Great numbers and good luck at cecil.

Nice Job again Ron and as usual the haters just can't keep out.

Nice Job again Ron and as usual the haters just can't keep out. :judge:

ive heard of drive shafts twisting at your level on an M6.

243 heads are sweet, only reason i sold my 00' cause it didnt have them. be back in one soon. :drive:

good luck man.

Here comes the firestorm.

Track is cancelled this Saturday due to horrendous weather. I will be doing my best to get to the track during next week. No one is more dissapointed than me.


Bummer. I hope this thing rocks. :chug:

beautiful setup, and right where you should be in terms of power(I don't know why people get jealous) good luck and congrats! :)

i have flp headers and tsp xpipes with dunomax bullets no cats and dumped befor the axle loud as hell. befor i had a slp lm1 with two cats. first night i put on the xpipes warning for my exhaust and i never got one before. ass holes!!! lol. jk. but unless u like something louder than anything on the road and anything at a track and be worried about cops getting u dont buy xpipes for ur setup. i love the sound and could give two shits about tickets and my neighbors bitching!!! everytime they do i rev it up then they shut up. but sick ride and love the sound. if u do click my fquick that video was taken by two different cams and they were both digi cameras nothing fancy or good.

So what cam are you running, the Vindicator?

What would you expect? He's just as human as the rest of us, regardless of what he owns. You've been badgering him to explain what he's already explained. A dyno has been posted, along with a complete list of all mods to the car. Even other examples with similar results. Your question has been answered, yet you keep finding reasons to question it. I remember when a posted dyno was all the proof needed. And maybe some times, but atleast let him get to the track as he stated he was doing.

What else is he supposed to explain?? How in the world is he supposed to explain EXACTLY how a gain at a certain RPM was made, other than showing a complete list of mods?

I'd bet you still wouldn't be happy if a vid was posted of a complete tear down of the car. I guess no matter what is said or done, theres always the naysayers.


Ahhh!!!! I do not know who you are but you have just a earned sponsorship from my shop. PM with your wants and needs for cost pricing on anything you want.

Horrendous weather? What are you talking about lol. Horrendous is putting it nicely, what a mess.

Matt

Here comes the firestorm.

Track is cancelled this Saturday due to horrendous weather. I will be doing my best to get to the track during next week. No one is more dissapointed than me.

Ahhh!!!! I do not know who you are but you have just a earned sponsorship from my shop. PM with your wants and needs for cost pricing on anything you want.

Thanks! PM coming soon!

Damn, wanted to see some track numbers. Start praying for next weekend.
AJ

weather doesnt look too good all week, might want to wait for some optimal conditions so you dont have to hear it from all the nay sayers. this weather has been crazy

Have you swapped the Flowmaster Catback for true duals yet?

20 extra HP never hurt.

Sick Numbers. It is amazing that you made more power than me. I have ported LS6 heads milled to about 60cc(10.9:1), 236/236 .602/.602 LSA 113 cam, kooks 1 7/8 headers, asp pulley, off road x-pipe, ls6 intake manifold, ported throttle body, a rebuilt, balanced and blue printed late 2000yr motor. Your torque curve is way better than mine, and I have a higher DCR. Vengeance must make some really good stuff. I am sure it will do damn good at the track with that torque curve and power. Good luck and have fun.

yes but dont forget not all dynos tell the same story. his car on the dyno you were on would more then likely be different. not saying it would be better or worse, but you can bet on it being a diff. #.

That's some great numbers i love the TQ.

NICE NUMBERS! ive got a 236/242 601/610 thru an auto i put down 383 unlocked and 400locked on a dynojet(3500stall)4.10gears. realy nice numbers man! get to the track!

yes but dont forget not all dynos tell the same story. his car on the dyno you were on would more then likely be different. not saying it would be better or worse, but you can bet on it being a diff. #.

Thats true, also my motor had hardly any miles on it and had break in oil in it when it was put on the dyno. So, I am sure that detracted a bit from my final number. But still, i am amazed by his power/torque and I am a bit jealous. :)

Thats true, also my motor had hardly any miles on it and had break in oil in it when it was put on the dyno. So, I am sure that detracted a bit from my final number. But still, i am amazed by his power/torque and I am a bit jealous. :)

Time for a bigger stick :judge:
AJ

I guess these motors really respond to the 240+ intake durations.

Friday Street Car Night Cecil County looks to be about the most likely to happen. Not the best track prep. Saturday at Maple grove is an all test and tune, but forecast says few showers possible.

I've already started prayin.

Fairless try to get to atco tommorrow nite. put some DRs on and get in the slick lane so that you can run in the grove.

and def let me know when you go, cause i wanna come up and see this thing in action.

-brandon

Im working 7pm to 7am Tuesday to Wednesday morning... :(

dam you. ok well how bout this, ill borrow your car, take it to atco and video tape it and post up the results tommorrow nite :drive: :)

what about friday nite? lol

-brandon

Friday night looks about the best for me, weather wise as well.

Actually, I would let you borrow it because I know you can drive. I'd just be worried that you'd hand me my car back with no bumper supports or rear wing, on two front spare tires... :)

70* by the end of the week....thank god. it looked like the end of the world this past weekend.
goodluck at the track!

rick

Good god, great numbers.

awesome numbers and nice car! Just curious, how does this cam like spray?

Good luck!

I plan to find out once I get some consistant motor times out of the car. Probably very early May. There are some high 10 cars that enjoyed beating me up last year around here that are gonna get drug.

great numbers. Waiting for SOM track times. I think I need to step up from my 224/228 baby cam. I like the numbers your making cam only. I wonder how that cam would like my Mamo ported FAST 90/90 with my ARE stage 3 heads. I'm just not sure how close P to V would be with that cam cause my heads are decked. Track times will give me a better idea

i am eager to see what goes down here...
i have the MS3...great cam...not enough trq....

i wouldnt mind flycutting a bit to get that badboy in my motor to see what it does with the PRC's and a 9090...HMMMMM :devil: TRACK TIMESSSS!!!

how many people have purchased this cam??????

I'd just be worried that you'd hand me my car back with no bumper supports or rear wing, on two front spare tires...


LOL at that one. :judge:

oh my, im glad i found this cam. the SS needs some power.

Guys did you check p/v with that Vindicator camshaft? I hope you cut the pistons for that camshaft. Here's what I found when checking the one I had:
The piston to valve clearance on my vindicator camshaft I was about to install is .022" on the intake side & .082" on the exhaust side. I checked the lobe sizes to a Comp Cams catalog & checked the lobe numbers to make sure I received the correct camshaft.

WTF.. :( :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm867YGK5aA

Actually, I would let you borrow it because I know you can drive. I'd just be worried that you'd hand me my car back with no bumper supports or rear wing, on two front spare tires... :)

lol. only if you wanted me too. all about hp to weight ratio :)

well, id go to atco. but just 2 mins ago im now gonna be doing a cam swap in my car tommorrow at Chummma's house

im going w/ a custom grind 245 cam :devil:

ill hav dyno results on saturday

-brandon

Guys did you check p/v with that Vindicator camshaft? I hope you cut the pistons for that camshaft. Here's what I found when checking the one I had:
The piston to valve clearance on my vindicator camshaft I was about to install is .022" on the intake side & .082" on the exhaust side. I checked the lobe sizes to a Comp Cams catalog & checked the lobe numbers to make sure I received the correct camshaft.

WTF.. :( :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm867YGK5aA
thats odd...Vengeance clearly said there would be no fly cutting needed and the car has been running for a few weeks now with no issues thus far.

lol. only if you wanted me too. all about hp to weight ratio :)

well, id go to atco. but just 2 mins ago im now gonna be doing a cam swap in my car tommorrow at Chummma's house

im going w/ a custom grind 245 cam :devil:

ill hav dyno results on saturday

-brandon
will you stop throwing sticks at that Farkin thing and put heads on it!!! :jest:

lol. only if you wanted me too. all about hp to weight ratio :)

well, id go to atco. but just 2 mins ago im now gonna be doing a cam swap in my car tommorrow at Chummma's house

im going w/ a custom grind 245 cam :devil:

ill hav dyno results on saturday

-brandon
How will P to V be with that cam? My heads have been decked 30. I want to go with a bigger cam but don't want to flycut. But then again right now my K-member is dropped and the engine is sitting on the floor and the heads are off. I could send it out to get flycut. I'm not sure how to flycut without taking it all apart to do it right. I know I'm leaving a lot on the table with my 224/228 581/588 110 LSA cam

No flycutting here!

I refuse to pay for a 90/90. Going the ported Typhoon/90 route when their LS1/LS2 intake comes out with the bigger TB opening.

Dude,did you even check P/V?I posted before that this cam has bad P/V.Everyone hammered me because I stated that Vengence has no R&D.Hey Ron,did you or Mike even check P/V?

Check out the other thead where the P/V was checked and it only has .022 clearance on the intake.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681285

Based on that you need to save for a new short block.

I checked P/V about 30-40 times already. My method is I go out, and I go threw the gears until about 7000rpm each time. So far, so good.

I checked P/V about 30-40 times already. My method is I go out, and I go threw the gears until about 7000rpm each time. So far, so good.
Good method...:D

Good method...:D

Until you miss a gear over rev. it and blow your shit up :jest:

Until you miss a gear over rev. it and blow your shit up :jest:
shit happens...what can i tell ya. :jest:

Until you miss a gear over rev. it and blow your shit up :jest:

But that could happen to any of us.

But that could happen to any of us.

More likely to do it if your P to V clearence is to tight. :)

I have hit the limiter on the bottle MANY times and have not popped a motor yet.

I have hit the limiter on the bottle MANY times and have not popped a motor yet.



Lucky or godlike?

Lucky or godlike?


God like for sure :devil:

We are getting off track :hijack:

Dude,did you even check P/V?I posted before that this cam has bad P/V.Everyone hammered me because I stated that Vengence has no R&D.Hey Ron,did you or Mike even check P/V?

Check out the other thead where the P/V was checked and it only has .022 clearance on the intake.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681285

Based on that you need to save for a new short block.

Rest assured we do plenty of R&D ;) This camshaft was tested in house and we got low .050s on an LS6 engine.... EVERY engine/camshaft is different and so are their tolerances.

EVERY customer that has called on a Vindicator and asks if it fits has been told it does, BUT IT IS VERY TIGHT.... I ALWAYS encourage customers to check P/V. If it is too close for comfort, flycut. Its a very simple process. We will be more than happy to rent out a piston notching tool to anyone who wants it.

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Friday night looks about the best for me, weather wise as well.

Did you ever make it out to the track?

Going Sunday morning. I actually did get to the track on Thursday for a private rental, but a huge exhaust hole was wreaking havoc with the knock sensor. Only managed a 12.0 @ 119mph with a 1.76 60 ft. Their was a ton of timing getting pulled on the data logger, along with a ton of horsepower.

Big thanks to TTP for hooking up their laptop and datalogging the run.

I believe I got it fixed and I don't see any knock on the Diablo. We'll see how she does tomorrow against that Cobra. Their will be video up tomorrow night.

YES. Im so jealous. I wish I was goin racing tomorrow.

Going Sunday morning. I actually did get to the track on Thursday for a private rental, but a huge exhaust hole was wreaking havoc with the knock sensor. Only managed a 12.0 @ 119mph with a 1.76 60 ft. Their was a ton of timing getting pulled on the data logger, along with a ton of horsepower.

Big thanks to TTP for hooking up their laptop and datalogging the run.

I believe I got it fixed and I don't see any knock on the Diablo. We'll see how she does tomorrow against that Cobra. Their will be video up tomorrow night.

Hey I was at that track rental and saw you run. I didnt know that was you and you took off before I had a chance to talk to ya. It looked like you were having some issues you were trying to work out .I really thought the track prep was questionable at best for a rental. Good times though.

Jeremy

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/2183000-2183999/2183255_11_full.jpg

Good god.....Looks like over 400ftlbs from 3500 through 5700, that torque curve looks like this:

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s41/Nate81camaro/untitled.jpg

Nice numbers! - Can't wait to see that vid !!

Going Sunday morning. I actually did get to the track on Thursday for a private rental, but a huge exhaust hole was wreaking havoc with the knock sensor. Only managed a 12.0 @ 119mph with a 1.76 60 ft. Their was a ton of timing getting pulled on the data logger, along with a ton of horsepower.

Big thanks to TTP for hooking up their laptop and datalogging the run.

I believe I got it fixed and I don't see any knock on the Diablo. We'll see how she does tomorrow against that Cobra. Their will be video up tomorrow night.
Did it have a ton of timing jacked in it and lean for dynoing? Or is it consuming oil or something causing knock?

I would say bad header fitment. I believe they are eBay headers, they hit the engine and the egr tube broke off (we didn't do the install on 'em). I believe timing at WOT was set 29 - 29.5. With the exhaust issues squared away you shouldn't see any KR.

Matt

I bet you were pissed with another 12.0

Pissed wasn't the word. LoL.

Well, went back to the track today.. Those of you looking for solid results out of the box, I have failed you. Let me explain.

Only got 3 runs in at Atco today.

First pass against the Cobra I missed 2nd and 4th and still beat him (he had belt slip issues). That was a dismal 12.3 @ 114. Video up soon.

2nd pass. Decided to leave at 5000rpm because the track prep was good. This worked pretty well as the car went 1.71 60ft. Granny shifted the rest of the gears at 6500 (stock tach). Felt great in 1st and second, (7.6 @ 92.5mph) and then seemed so so in 3rd and 4th on the way to a 11.8 @ 117mph. Atco second pass (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/bbc515b7-58e7-4c22-95cb-98fc014946b1.htm)

3rd pass was a waste as I missed 4th again.

So, couple things:

There was a noticeable headwind all day. (See flag in video)

Big ass leak - The major hole on the passenger side header is "fixed" for now. I believe this hole was present to a degree when the car was tuned. If so, it showed as a lean condition as Matt from HSW told me it did. With it "fixed", wouldn't that cause me to run fat? Matt, should we retune for the fix?

Knock - I didn't see any knock on the way to the track (Diablo handheld), but that doesn't mean I wasn't getting any. My headers are still touching in some places. :bang:

Stock tach. This thing is useless as I can't rely on it for anything. I'm having to shift by feel, which is not desirable.

103 octane gas - I was almost out of gas (on E) as I got to the track and had to throw 3.5 gallons of this stuff in. Did this reduce my power?

Weight - I weighed the car at Atco today. (3850lbs with me in it).

Car has stock suspension and runs on Fikse FM/5's at all 4 corners.

Things I will address:

I have ordered Pacesetters tonight. I should have them by Wednesday. I have had it with these headers.

Ordered tach light.



Fire away.

Get a shift light ASAP! I was shifting by "feel" also and trapped 113 :barf:, I was told to get a shift light, so I did and trapped 117mph :) much better.

What tires are you running on?

Bald MT drag radials 275/17's.

I just watched the video again. The car seems to be laying down after the 1/8 mile. It had to be knock. No datalogger unfortunately. I hope these headers cure it.

Pissed wasn't the word. LoL.

Well, went back to the track today.. Those of you looking for solid results out of the box, I have failed you. Let me explain.

Only got 3 runs in at Atco today.

First pass against the Cobra I missed 2nd and 4th and still beat him (he had belt slip issues). That was a dismal 12.3 @ 114. Video up soon.

2nd pass. Decided to leave at 5000rpm because the track prep was good. This worked pretty well as the car went 1.71 60ft. Granny shifted the rest of the gears at 6500 (stock tach). Felt great in 1st and second, (7.6 @ 92.5mph) and then seemed so so in 3rd and 4th on the way to a 11.8 @ 117mph. Atco second pass (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/bbc515b7-58e7-4c22-95cb-98fc014946b1.htm)

3rd pass was a waste as I missed 4th again.

So, couple things:

There was a noticeable headwind all day. (See flag in video)

Big ass leak - The major hole on the passenger side header is "fixed" for now. I believe this hole was present to a degree when the car was tuned. If so, it showed as a lean condition as Matt from HSW told me it did. With it "fixed", wouldn't that cause me to run fat? Matt, should we retune for the fix?

Knock - I didn't see any knock on the way to the track (Diablo handheld), but that doesn't mean I wasn't getting any. My headers are still touching in some places. :bang:

Stock tach. This thing is useless as I can't rely on it for anything. I'm having to shift by feel, which is not desirable.

103 octane gas - I was almost out of gas (on E) as I got to the track and had to throw 3.5 gallons of this stuff in. Did this reduce my power?

Weight - I weighed the car at Atco today. (3850lbs with me in it).

Car has stock suspension and runs on Fikse FM/5's at all 4 corners.

Things I will address:

I have ordered Pacesetters tonight. I should have them by Wednesday. I have had it with these headers.

Ordered tach light.



Fire away.

What kind of headers are these?

Hey does Vengeance Racing have a web site?

Re-tune after you swap headers. Did you run the Diablo to monitor for KR during the passes? The 103 octane fuel didn't help any, between that and the head wind you lost 2 mph from your previous best pass of 119.

Matt

I can't monitor for knock while racing so i didnt hook it up. (Real time)

I'll get the headers on ASAP. Thanks Matt.

even w/ the stuff that went wrong, you put down good numbers w/ being full weight!!

i agree w/ matt.....new headers and then retune, youll see mid 11s...


lemme know when you head back to the track. ill be there on tuesday running.

-brandon

I hate you - missing 2nd....and then 4th, and still running a low 12 second pass. :cry:
Kinda curious as to why you missed shifts on more than 1 run....

what shifter do you have? missing 2nd and 4th makes me think you have the stop in alittle too far. 3rd i can see, but not 2nd AND 4th...

Hey does Vengeance Racing have a web site?

www.vengeancerd.com

Pissed wasn't the word. LoL.

Well, went back to the track today.. Those of you looking for solid results out of the box, I have failed you. Let me explain.

Only got 3 runs in at Atco today.

First pass against the Cobra I missed 2nd and 4th and still beat him (he had belt slip issues). That was a dismal 12.3 @ 114. Video up soon.



There was a noticeable headwind all day. (See flag in video)


Fire away.

I went 12.2@115.xx with a terrible 1.90 60ft on my one and only pass, I was just lazy off the line. My whole motor was covered in belt dust, there was no point in running anymore. The car just wont pull in 3rd and 4th bc of belt slip. Let me fix this belt issue and we will run it again.

what shifter do you have? missing 2nd and 4th makes me think you have the stop in alittle too far. 3rd i can see, but not 2nd AND 4th...

Stock Hurst. No stops unfortunately.

So were the crappy headers ebay or what?

i am impressed by the dyno numbers and the graph curves on cam only. thats bad ass. you guys are crying because of your track numbers, but i would kill for those numbers (i hate living in denver, nice, but way the hell up here!) i dynoed 486hp 484tq and i ran a 13.8@110 this weekend. granted that was on street tires and they made me run out of the groove for the slick guys, but i wanted to trap higher....

No on crys because of track times, unfortunately its the only number you cant fake so most look for those

what was the DA?

not sure

I purchased a cam on Saturday, should have it by the middle of this week, installed by next week, tuned the same weekend, I will be looking at track times in mid april. I just want a car to trap over 120mph, I dont care how it has to happen, if I have to spray or what.

My cam is a 228/232 .585/.595" on a 114+2 XE-R.


Decent numbers, get those problems fixed and then go back out, let us know how you do. Im interested to see what a difference little issues can make(at the track). A lot of people think that little things (small exhaust leaks and what not) make little to no difference, hopefully your car will prove that theory wrong.

I just looked. I think I can fit a sawzall up there to chop of that aluminum knub hitting my header on the drivers side... :devil:

Get some 28 10.5'' slicks that should help a shitload

I am swapping headers this week. I like running on the 17's. I know there are some tenth's by swapping to welds and some 3xx 15 inch drag raidals, pulling the sway bar, etc...but I want the numbers in 100% street trim.

I am swapping headers this week. I like running on the 17's. I know there are some tenth's by swapping to welds and some 3xx 15 inch drag raidals, pulling the sway bar, etc...but I want the numbers in 100% street trim.

Can't beat the Pacesetter headers for the money...

pacesetters are the shit!!!

Can't beat the Pacesetter headers for the money...
yea you can, im taking my pacesetters off for the new Edelbrock Victor Jr headers. a stepped, stainless header for 400 bucks :eek2:

I am swapping headers this week. I like running on the 17's. I know there are some tenth's by swapping to welds and some 3xx 15 inch drag raidals, pulling the sway bar, etc...but I want the numbers in 100% street trim.

same here bro, Im another person that prefers to get track numbers in full street trim...just how I drive it on the street.

but that IS how I drive mine on the street. lol.

Where did you get that price?

Where did you get that price?
summit, but i think sponsors here have them for slightly cheaper

Wow 9000+ views, lol

Holy #@%&

Highest number of replies for an "individual" type thread non sticky. Look, my sentence has stips LOL!

Your 1/8th and quarter time both look like they 'match', but are both are WAY slow for the power. A buddy ran a nearly identical slip with the same mph and dyno'd 360rwhp at MTI (224/224 112lsa w/ ported heads). His definitely was a low ball figure, but I dont think it was 70-80hp off...

Holy #@%&

Highest number of replies for an "individual" type thread non sticky. Look, my sentence has stips LOL!When you going racing again? I'm one of those 9,000 that are keeping up on this. :D

The car will have knock free headers on it by the weekend. Then it goes back to Harris for a quick retune. Then I am going to an all day track rental on April 12th.

As for the comment on power vs ET, I know dude. It's pulling timing on 1/4 mile passes, not on the dyno because the headers are hitting the block. Fixing it by the weekend.

Your 1/8th and quarter time both look like they 'match', but are both are WAY slow for the power. A buddy ran a nearly identical slip with the same mph and dyno'd 360rwhp at MTI (224/224 112lsa w/ ported heads). His definitely was a low ball figure, but I dont think it was 70-80hp off...

Your buddy must have an auto, his car is a stick, makes a big diffrence on the dyno.

Your 1/8th and quarter time both look like they 'match', but are both are WAY slow for the power.
:lurk:

how much does the vindicator cost, i searched and didnt find a damn thing, none used for sale and i cant find alt. vendors for this cam.

how much does the vindicator cost, i searched and didnt find a damn thing, none used for sale and i cant find alt. vendors for this cam.

The cam is only sold through Vengeance Racing and they do not have any pricing information available on their website last time I checked, I think your best bet would to give their shop a call in the morning.
AJ

The kit is comporable in cost to other cam "kits" out there taht include everything you need to support the cam.

Make sure you specify "stock" heads if that is what you are running. I was sent the kit for TFS heads when I asked for the Vindicator cam kit.

Speaking of which, I need to get dude's pushrods back to him ASAP. My bad :) ...

those are some crazy insane dyno numbers!

what headers did you have that are hitting the block?

[/QUOTE]I'm not trying to crack on anyone, Vengenance obviously knows what they are doing and have way more experience than I'll ever have, I'm just trying to understand how this car is making that much power. I went with a 228/232 in my LS2 GTO just to get this kind of a torque curve and gave up some topend to do so. This just looks like the best of both worlds and I don't understand how they got it.[/QUOTE]

because its magic. :jest:

So what cam are you running, the Vindicator?
suposably ttp equalizer v3.1

what headers did you have that are hitting the block?


SSautochrome ebay headers. Stainless steel for $300.


Good news. I totally clearenced the block from the header. Car seems to pull harder in third and fourth. Wonder why...

Grongrats my friend you are living my dream right now, those kind of numbers is what I'm looking for and I 100% agree with you in running just as you have it on the street. Awesome torque curve too quite awesome. :eek2: :hail:

I emailed Vengreance and they charge 389 for the cam. Definately worth it. I forgot to ask them for the cam kit. I might need that flycut tool to rent because my heads been mill .035 Another question I have to ask them. This cam is on the top of the list depending what 347fairless gets on his track times.

Update:

Logged an Air Fuel only 4th gear pull after fixing the headers. A/F numbers were 11.5 until about 5600 rpm, then went down to 10.0 until the end of the run.

I guess fixing the header and exhaust leaks really plays havoc with the tune. Going to Harris Friday for a retune, then to the track on April 14th.

Really hoping for something in the 11.5 range over 121mph granny shifting. Still on the stock ls6 intake.

I should also have some Dynojet numbers in the next 2 weeks if all goes according to plan.

SSautochrome ebay headers. Stainless steel for $300.


Good news. I totally clearenced the block from the header. Car seems to pull harder in third and fourth. Wonder why...

when it was knocking on the motor or whatever it was hitting the knocksensors were picking it up and pulling timing, knock sensors are basically microphones for your ecm, you can hit the oil pan with a ratchet and you will see it pull timing on the data logger.

I think he was joking with the "I wonder why..." I'd really like to see him run once in full street trim and then come back with no spare no jack and slicks and skinnies.
AJ

oh my bad lol on here you never know...

I emailed Vengreance and they charge 389 for the cam. Definately worth it. I forgot to ask them for the cam kit. I might need that flycut tool to rent because my heads been mill .035 Another question I have to ask them. This cam is on the top of the list depending what 347fairless gets on his track times.



Oh and by the way.....you have a bad ass tuner!