Special Edition Vehicles - Q on Rare 4th Gens

So, which of the rarer 4th gen Fbody birds (LT1 and LS1) will be worth good money or command more respect many years down the road?

1997 LT4 Camaros and Firebirds. SLP made a few hundred of them.

Any car with a rare color and V8

WS6 Formulas, especially LS1 cars, not very many of them made.

6 speed verts, most were autos.

Hugger orange Z28s and SS's

Anniversary and special editions

Maybe in 20 or 30 years, cars that are all stock with orginal paint,really low miles, and mint.

93's. Only one year with Speed Density and non electronic controlled Trannys

Not that anyone cares about them lol

1992 firehawks. only 26 made i think

GMMG Blackbirds
Firehawks especially the '97 and '01 10th anniversary
Berger/Tom Henry/Dick Harrell Camaros (any GMMG car)

Only made collector editions once (02 last of the breed). You wont see a 01,00,99,98,97,96,95 ect...WS6 in YELLOW - ever!!!!! hence the name :hail: "collector editions".

Hard to say if any of them will be. The current muscle car craze is fueled by all of the boomers who grew up with the GTO's, Trans Ams, Chevelles, Roadrunners and Mustangs and either couldn't afford one back in the day or had one and had to sell it when they became responsible adults.
Now some of these boomers have hit it big and want the cars they lusted after way back when. They're looking to get their hands on the same car they had 40 years ago, get the car they couldn't afford to get 40 years ago or to help them recapture their youth from 40 years ago. This craze turned these cars from a hobby into an investment. I just don't know if the 4th gen cars - or any of the current crop of mass produced performance cars for that matter - has the passionate following those cars had. It was a totally different day and age.
Hell, in thirty years, one of us may see a 4th gen F body in a museum collection. We'll be telling our grandkid whose standing next to us: "Yeah, Grandpa used to have one of those cars. Of course, most of them have been recycled now. They actually ran on something called gasoline - you know - before it was outlawed in the early 30's by the Gore Greenhouse Fossil Fuel Ban....."

1992 firehawks. only 26 made i think
'Cept that is a 3rd Gen

Of the 4th Gen's I think the 2000 WS6 Formula is going to be the big one for LS1 cars, then the LT4 cars of 1997.

Moving to Special Edition Vehicles Forum (from Pontiac Firebird Forum)...

Only made collector editions once (02 last of the breed). You wont see a 01,00,99,98,97,96,95 ect...WS6 in YELLOW - ever!!!!! hence the name :hail: "collector editions".

IF you look at the color of yellow that they used you will see why. :barf: :jest:

IF you look at the color of yellow that they used you will see why. :barf: :jest:
hahaha,,,you only wish ur 30th was post-it yellow!!!!!!

Hard to say if any of them will be. The current muscle car craze is fueled by all of the boomers who grew up with the GTO's, Trans Ams, Chevelles, Roadrunners and Mustangs and either couldn't afford one back in the day or had one and had to sell it when they became responsible adults.
Now some of these boomers have hit it big and want the cars they lusted after way back when. They're looking to get their hands on the same car they had 40 years ago, get the car they couldn't afford to get 40 years ago or to help them recapture their youth from 40 years ago. This craze turned these cars from a hobby into an investment. I just don't know if the 4th gen cars - or any of the current crop of mass produced performance cars for that matter - has the passionate following those cars had. It was a totally different day and age.
Hell, in thirty years, one of us may see a 4th gen F body in a museum collection. We'll be telling our grandkid whose standing next to us: "Yeah, Grandpa used to have one of those cars. Of course, most of them have been recycled now. They actually ran on something called gasoline - you know - before it was outlawed in the early 30's by the Gore Greenhouse Fossil Fuel Ban....."


That goes for EVERY generation, not just boomers. Eventually, restored 5.0 Mustangs will be popular. Then 4th gen f-bodies will be popular. You have got to be kidding if you think the passion doesn't exist today. If anything, it is even greater now with the internet and message boards. Back in the 60's and 70's your passion was only shared by a few buddies in your same town.

Tonys right,the net has made this hobby 100X bigger...
I think many of the the 4th Gens will be sought after in low mileage examples..

hahaha,,,you only wish ur 30th was post-it yellow!!!!!!

Good point it does look like the post-it yellow, or the same color that is in the toilet :barf: after a hard night of drinking Jose. :jest:

Actually the Ceta grew on me more and more until I actually liked it over the refigerator white 30th ;)

Actually the Ceta grew on me more and more until I actually liked it over the refigerator white 30th ;)

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Just kiddin,I want one of each :D

F bodies, Evos, Sti's, Civic SI's, Integra Typs R's. All these cars including the F bodies and stangs will be collectors cars. Look at cars like the Supra, RX-7, Integra type R, they command a premium. Why, because they are ultra hard to get now, especially stock and unabused cars. 20 years from now, it will be awesome to see an old school twin turbo supra running door to door with sports cars of the new era.

I hope the 10th anniversary Hawks are sought after and considered one of "the ones to have" as I plan to hold onto mine, M6, stock, 1 of 139 built

I hope the 10th anniversary Hawks are sought after and considered one of "the ones to have" as I plan to hold onto mine, M6, stock, 1 of 139 built
I love the 10th Hawks, how many miles on it?? It kills me when people buy these special cars and use them as daily drivers and put like 40k - 50k on them. It only helps the guys who kept their miles down. Out of every 10th ive seen for sale, i dont think one had less than 40k on the clock. With high miles, they are worth the same as a regular hawk or ws6.

Actually the Ceta grew on me more and more until I actually liked it over the refigerator white 30th ;)
Fridge white!! :jest: Yellow CETA :hail:

How many of these posts are we going to see about how rare f-bodies are? It's as rare as someone wants to pay for it 30 years down the road..I don't care if it's 1 of 1, 1 of 10, purple, green, whatever

1992 firehawks. only 26 made i think
They only made 26 Firehawks between '91 and '92, but as was said, those aren't 4th gens.

Any car with a rare color and V8
Check!

Out of every 10th ive seen for sale, i dont think one had less than 40k on the clock. With high miles, they are worth the same as a regular hawk or ws6.
Bullsh!+.... steaming bullsh!+ :turd:

Almost none of the Barrett Jackson cars aren't restored.. how many miles do they have in reality?

I agree, if the car is in good shape the mileage will be irrelevant, you may get even more for a low mileage car but the other ones will still be worth a pretty penny.

Almost none of the Barrett Jackson cars aren't restored.. how many miles do they have in reality?
First, BJ is a joke and unless ur a millionaire, and want to get on tv, then dont bring it up. They just want "high profile" cars there where people will pay sick money for. It is not "reality" in the least and there are tons of threads on here supporting it.

Second I was talking about more recent f-bodys. LS1's. Ok, you have a 2002 SS or hawk with 50k miles, it is not "special". It is called a DAILY DRIVER!!! 4 years x 12,500 miles a year = 50k. So mileage is "RELEVANT" because it seperates a daily driver, from a collector car thats only driven on nice days and kept in a garage. Maybe its just me, but I would PAY MORE $$$ for a 10k mile WS6 garage queen, than a hawk or SS daily driver any day!!!!!!

Last, older trans ams say 77 - 81's are selling pretty good with 80k or even higher miles. But think about it, those cars are 30 YEARS OLD. Even if it had 90k miles, thats only 3K MILES A YEAR!!!!! To me, that is not a "daily driver" and is worth the money!!!!

My point is, take you own car, and do your own math. If your car has more than 6k miles a year, its prob not a garage queen/part time driver. So the value is not what one with less than 6k miles a year would be. Ebay is a great source for what the "market" is. If it doesnt sell on there, then its prob not a good deal. Many dealers are now on ebay, and with boards like this, your car can be seen by thousands of people. The "market" is what the cars "sell for" not what they are "advertised for".

That goes for EVERY generation, not just boomers. Eventually, restored 5.0 Mustangs will be popular. Then 4th gen f-bodies will be popular. You have got to be kidding if you think the passion doesn't exist today. If anything, it is even greater now with the internet and message boards. Back in the 60's and 70's your passion was only shared by a few buddies in your same town.


There is a distinct difference between a car being popular and a car being valuable. What is so unique about a 5 liter Mustang or an F-body that is going to make it valuable? Any factory variations on these cars was relegated to a decal package and different wheels. Is that really going to get people worked up about these cars generating a significant increase in value?

I have a 40K mile 1999 Formula Firehawk, black, 6 speed with T-Tops. According to the Firehawk website, it is one of only 18 equipped like that in '99. Sounds real exclusive but it is really nothing more than a Firebird Formula with a different hood and wheels and some decals. Is that really going to make this car desirable? I'd love to think that someday this car will be valuable but I'm not holding my breath. I'm just going to drive it and have fun.

Last, older trans ams say 77 - 81's are selling pretty good with 80k or even higher miles. But think about it, those cars are 30 YEARS OLD. Even if it had 90k miles, thats only 3K MILES A YEAR!!!!! To me, that is not a "daily driver" and is worth the money!!!!

I agree with that statement..I paid $15,000 for my 81 in June '06..car has a little over 86,000 miles, In really awesome shape..From what I see it was well taken care of & obviously not driven much..So the reason I bought it at that price was because of the prices I saw on e-bay, the mileage & the shape it was in...PLUS there was only 2000 made & the Last Pontiac Engine made, 301 Turbo :judge:

was the 69 Trans Am really anything more then a hood, paint, decals, and a Ram Air IV? was the GTO Judge anything more then a decal/apperance/luxury option? were the 70 & up Hurst/Olds anything more then a 455, hurst shifter, and decals? was the 79 10th aniv. Trans Am anything more then leather, paint, and decals?

Let me follow your logic. A 69 Trans Am was only a Firebird with decals and a Ram Air IV. A Hemi Superbird was only a Roadrunner with a wing and a 426 hemi. A Buick GS was nothing more than a Skylark with a 455 Stage I engine. A Yenko Camaro was only an F-body with a 427. A 455SD was nothing more than a Trans Am with a Super Duty engine.

Following your line of reasoning, the Grand Canyon is just some desert land with a hole in it and a diamond is just some carbon that's been squeezed.

It was a lot more than decals that made these cars special. It was what was available between the frame rails that made these cars special. These were true limited factory/dealer produced super cars. A lot of these cars were factory race cars - back when the rules stated that the manufacturers had to produce (in limited numbers) the same car they were running at Daytona or on the Trans Am circuit. It is the ever increasing value of these rare engined cars that has made the more ordinary Trans Am's, Roadrunner's, Hurst Olds' and Camaro's values rise.

Do most modern muscle cars do everything better than these old cars? Sure they do. There are few modern factory/dealer produced cars, however, that will have the same impact. Maybe the Buick GNX, the Corvette ZR1, the Ford Mustang Cobra R, the Dick Harrell 427 Camaro or the new 427 Z06. These cars followed the old muscle car formula. Basic car with a power plant with very limited availability. I just don't see a 35th Anniversary Camaro with an LS1 being that much more desirable than a Camaro SS with an LS1 or a Camaro Z28 with an LS1. Just my opinion.

that was nowhere NEAR what i said. if you think a firehawk is nothing special, then why the hell did you buy one, and spend the extra money for 'just a formula with a hood and decals'?? and NO, it wasnt just the engine that made them special. it was the entire car, the whole package. it the fact that is a LIMITED EDITION of a regular car. what makes a pace car edition special or so high priced? all they are is a set of decals, maybe special paint. how much do you want to bet a mint 89 indy 500 pace car turbo trans am would outsell a comparable base turbo TA?

guess what....you can get the same hemi in a superbird as you can in a roadrunner. you can get the same RA IV in a bird that you can in a TA. likewise for a GTO and judge. so whats so special about those engines, hmm. if all youre talking about is motor motor motor, then why the hell is a 69 RA IV TA worth one hundred thousand, while a 69 RA IV firebird is worth 40k-60k? same motor.....same trans.

:corn:

that was nowhere NEAR what i said. if you think a firehawk is nothing special, then why the hell did you buy one, and spend the extra money for 'just a formula with a hood and decals'?? and NO, it wasnt just the engine that made them special. it was the entire car, the whole package. it the fact that is a LIMITED EDITION of a regular car. what makes a pace car edition special or so high priced? all they are is a set of decals, maybe special paint. how much do you want to bet a mint 89 indy 500 pace car turbo trans am would outsell a comparable base turbo TA?

guess what....you can get the same hemi in a superbird as you can in a roadrunner. you can get the same RA IV in a bird that you can in a TA. likewise for a GTO and judge. so whats so special about those engines, hmm. if all youre talking about is motor motor motor, then why the hell is a 69 RA IV TA worth one hundred thousand, while a 69 RA IV firebird is worth 40k-60k? same motor.....same trans.


First of all, I owe you no explanation as to why I bought a Firehawk. It's none of your business.
Secondly, your reply is no where near what I said. I said it was a lot more than decals that made the old muscle cars special (It's right there vebatim in my post). My point is that the older, desirable muscle cars were a COMBINATION of APPEARANCE and SPECIAL POWER PLANTS. IS ANYTHING REGISTERING AT THIS POINT?
Here is a quote lifted directly from your post. Your logic dictates that "you can get the same hemi in a superbird as you can in a roadrunner. you can get the same RA IV in a bird that you can in a TA. likewise for a GTO and judge. so whats so special about those engines, hmm." OK, let's take YOUR logic and progress further with it.
Why is a Hemi Superbird worth more than a Superbird with the 440 wedge motor? They are both Superbirds!
Why doesn't a Roadrunner with a 383 bring the same cash as a Roadrunner with a 426 Hemi? A Roadrunner was nothing more than a Plymouth Satellite with a bird sticker on it. Same stickers on both cars. The cars are identical except for the engine.
Why is an LS6 Chevelle SS worth more than an Chevelle SS with a 350? They are both SS's.
Why is a Ram Air IV Firebird worth more than a Firebird 400. They are both Firebirds? Only difference is the engine!
Are you seeing a flaw in your logic?
My contention - and the part of my argument that you continue to ignore - is that most of todays "specialty" cars differ from the base performance version in APPEARANCE ONLY!! What special engines are in Firehawks? Camaro SS's? Mustang GT's? Let me ask you if GM could have put a 427 LS7 in a Firehawk and they made 500 of them and then they made 500 with the LS1, which do you think would be more valuable/desirable? With your logic, as long as they are both Firehawks it wouldn't matter because engines don't matter.
Also, hate to break it to you but ALL 1989 Turbos were Indy Pace Car replicas. There were no BASE Turbo TA's. Now if you meant one of the Turbo TA's that actually paced the race, that is something totally different and not part of your arguement..

I'm done.

What are we aguing about? :huh:

:corn:


Yeah........................pass some over here too ! ! ! ! Anyone got refreshments. The popcorn will make me thirsty ! ! !

What are we aguing about? :huh:

i dont care, that guy is just being an argumentative asshole

i dont care, that guy is just being an argumentative asshole


Geez, now you've gone and done it. I actually had some respect for you and your opinion. Very little respect mind you but some respect none the less.

You're the one who initially attacked my post but now I'm the argumentative asshole. I guess that is the standard and predictable defense of someone who can't finish a debate THEY started.

Classic!

GOOD MONEY.????...how far in future...as far as i believe...not that much ..even a long time in future.....maybe to old ricers...Us older Hot Rodders will still want non-computer cars....in the future there will be better and better "computer" cars than these things. 02 was the last year for these...there are a gizillion better since.[although higher priced..but what isn't] :judge:

i dont care, that guy is just being an argumentative asshole
:judge:

Ever notice that it's always some dude with a car in a really common color like black or red or something that starts the arguments in these threads?

:jest:

I know,,,damn i wrote all that shit down,,and no one even attacked me,,,just skipped right over like it was invisible!!!!!!!!!what the hell?????? :jest:

and when did we start talking about "superbirds"?

what the hell does the color have to do with ANYTHING?? who the hell cares about your purple cars. if i wanted some weird color i would have bought it, i ordered my TA new.

what the hell does the color have to do with ANYTHING?? who the hell cares about your purple cars. if i wanted some weird color i would have bought it, i ordered my TA new.

Lighten up, Francis. :eyes:

20 years from now, it will be awesome to see an old school twin turbo supra running door to door with sports cars of the new era.


Hell yeah it will!! Cough... check sig... cough cough :drive:

Lighten up, Francis. :eyes:


you first, scooter

I bought my 10th Hawk last month with 55 8XXmiles on it. Was it driven alot, sure, for a hawk, do I care? no, what I was looking for was a well taken care of car that I wanted to have that is special to me, and Hawks are my fortea.

I love the lines, exclusivity as they are rare, motor, tranny (six gears) and the cushyness along with the brash of a muscle car.

I prob won't put many miles on mine, but I am at the moment because I can't contain myself, I love driving it. I have EVERY piece of paperwork for the car, the trade in documents/bill of sale, sales' business card, down to the "Bill of laiding". That counts for alot along with the pristine condition the car has been kept in by the orig. owner. I was willing to pay extra to find that kind of owner pride and "anal" ness so much that 55K miles didn't phase me in the least even though I was searching for a 40K mile or less M6 Hawk, I made a trade off and also made a deal on price too. I'm happy

4th Gen. F-bodies should be bought to drive and enjoy. All I was trying to express was my opinion on whether these cars would be future collectables or retain exceptional value. At this point, unless it is still in the wrapper with 8 original miles on it, I don't think they will. Do I care? NO! Was that why I bought my car? NO! I just enjoy driving it and having fun with it. If you like the look of a Firehawk, get a Firehawk. If a WS6 is your style, get a WS6. If you like an SS, get an SS. But trying to make your decision based on one being more valuable than another 5, 10 or 20 years from now should not really enter the equation. I don't think it's gonna matter much. Now a Dick Harrell Camaro - that might be a different story. My .02

i think the llt1 ws6's are some of the rarest of the 4th gens, especially the formula ws6's in polo green metallic :drive:

formuhawk99 your a schwatts :jest: lol and since when it 50k considered high miles?? like even if i bought a brand new 07 vette, put 50k on it my first year and let it sit for the next 10 years under your theory its considered a daily driver? How about you just concentrate on enjoying your DD and let the ones with garage queens determine what makes a garage queen a garage queen. ......8 miles still in the wrapper??? lol c mon get real man, youd be luckey to find any 4th gen with under 100k today, so if u find one with 50k or 60k on it and start running off on how its still a dd and not a queen u better take a good look at the 4th gens around today IMO

i think the llt1 ws6's are some of the rarest of the 4th gens, especially the formula ws6's in polo green metallic :drive:

formuhawk99 your a schwatts :jest: lol and since when it 50k considered high miles?? like even if i bought a brand new 07 vette, put 50k on it my first year and let it sit for the next 10 years under your theory its considered a daily driver? How about you just concentrate on enjoying your DD and let the ones with garage queens determine what makes a garage queen a garage queen. ......8 miles still in the wrapper??? lol c mon get real man, youd be luckey to find any 4th gen with under 100k today, so if u find one with 50k or 60k on it and start running off on how its still a dd and not a queen u better take a good look at the 4th gens around today IMO


Ah........OK. I am eternally grateful to you for setting me straight. Boy, you sure showed me how misguided I was in my thinking.
All right, I'm lying. I have to admit that I actually do not have a clue as to what you are trying to say. Does anyone have a Moron to English dictionary I can borrow? I'm dying to find out what a "schwatts" is.
By the way, you sure like the term garage queen. You must hear those words a lot seeing as you have been able to retain them. Is that your nickname or something?

Alright. That's enough. Tone it down boys or you are all going under LOCK DOWN! :judge:

Damn, these crackers are making me thirsty!!! :chug:

Ever notice that it's always some dude with a car in a really common color like black or red or something that starts the arguments in these threads?

:jest:

I disagree, mine is SOM and I'm an asshole!

i think the llt1 ws6's are some of the rarest of the 4th gens, especially the formula ws6's in polo green metallic :drive:

formuhawk99 your a schwatts :jest: lol and since when it 50k considered high miles?? like even if i bought a brand new 07 vette, put 50k on it my first year and let it sit for the next 10 years under your theory its considered a daily driver? How about you just concentrate on enjoying your DD and let the ones with garage queens determine what makes a garage queen a garage queen. ......8 miles still in the wrapper??? lol c mon get real man, youd be luckey to find any 4th gen with under 100k today, so if u find one with 50k or 60k on it and start running off on how its still a dd and not a queen u better take a good look at the 4th gens around today IMOMy WS6 only has 32K on it, I bought it with 29K on the odometer about a year ago. It's a garage queen, but it just doesn't sit all the time, I take it out and drive it regularly. I wouldn't own a car that just sat there all the time... but I do own three cars and there's only one of me, so at any point in time two of them HAVE to be just sitting there parked.

Right now it's no where near show quality.... there's chips and cracks in the paint, it needs new seat covers, and lots of minor appearance stuff for it to be "perfect"... I figured I'd just enjoy it as a weekend cruiser until it really needs to be restored, then restore it and stop driving it for anything other than shows.

There is a distinct difference between a car being popular and a car being valuable. What is so unique about a 5 liter Mustang or an F-body that is going to make it valuable? Any factory variations on these cars was relegated to a decal package and different wheels. Is that really going to get people worked up about these cars generating a significant increase in value?

I have a 40K mile 1999 Formula Firehawk, black, 6 speed with T-Tops. According to the Firehawk website, it is one of only 18 equipped like that in '99. Sounds real exclusive but it is really nothing more than a Firebird Formula with a different hood and wheels and some decals. Is that really going to make this car desirable? I'd love to think that someday this car will be valuable but I'm not holding my breath. I'm just going to drive it and have fun.

Who knew a crossram intake, cowl hood, and disc brakes on the back of a camaro could multiply its value in 30-40 years. Its a hood intake and some brakes?

5,10 or maybe even 15 years from now people will be saying similar things about cars that go largely ignored today.

Its already started, people are grabbing up IROCs, GTAs, 91-92 Z28s as they see the prices start to shoot up on the late 70s cars. TAs are through the roof and the 79-81 Z28s are slowly getting there. Go check what low mile IROCs are fetching especially verts.

4th gens that will be worth the money are below, mark my words.

93-97 Firehawks
95-97 Comp T/As
96-97 SS
97 30th Z28s and SS LT1 & LT4
94 25th TA
99 30th TA
02 CE TA
93 Z pace car
02 35th Camaro
all 96 and up white or silver indy festival cars
All GMMG cars
1LE cars (with 1LE in the RPOs)

Everything else will fall in behind these as they were more mass produced than the above cars.

5,10 or maybe even 15 years from now people will be saying similar things about cars that go largely ignored today.


I would like to say that about the lt1's, i just see far to few of them around that are still in good shape and worth looking at. I know many just laugh at that idea, but who knows?

The gold colored F-bodies are rare. 9 or so of them :)

The gold colored F-bodies are rare. 9 or so of them :)

And rare for a very good reason. I've never seen a gold car that looked good.
It's probably the only color that could make an Enzo look bad! :barf:

ahem.......
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r13/Ech0mirage/car/IMG_9379.jpg
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r13/Ech0mirage/car/IMG_9425.jpg

So, there is ONE good looking gold car.

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r215/98goldformula/Purge2.jpg http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r215/98goldformula/P000000F.jpg
Make that 2 gold cars

:cheers:

OK, now I've never, ever seen a pink car that looked good. There's not one!

How about a '95 Formula 1LE, one of TWO?
Local car, still being raced and enjoyed, with original numbers-matching driveline...

I just met a guy at Vengeance that has one of only 3 '98 SS 1LEs. One blue, black and silver. I think he will be keeping that car.

What jackass would hack up a 1 of 10 original Gold WS6 car?!?!?!?!
j/k that damn car needs to get back on the track.
Josh

I just met a guy at Vengeance that has one of only 3 '98 SS 1LEs. One blue, black and silver. I think he will be keeping that car.

Matt Murphy still owns the black one I think,as well a the #2 Ex Morrison Cook 89 Camaro 1LE that has wins in the Escort series.

Matt Murphy still owns the black one I think,as well a the #2 Ex Morrison Cook 89 Camaro 1LE that has wins in the Escort series.


What? Who is Matt murphy? Location? Can I get a PM With Some info? I am very interested in talking to him about the car.

93's. Only one year with Speed Density and non electronic controlled Trannys

Not that anyone cares about them lol
That is what I read also.

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r215/98goldformula/Purge2.jpg http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r215/98goldformula/P000000F.jpg
Make that 2 gold cars
That first purging pic is very coool. :devil:

What? Who is Matt murphy? Location? Can I get a PM With Some info? I am very interested in talking to him about the car.

I am surprised you don't know who Matt Murphy is. You must not hang out in the particular section of the forum board very often. Matt Murphy is the owner of GMMG, Inc. who produced the Black Bird Pontiacs, the Dale Earnhardt Intimidator Camaros, The Berger SS Camaros, The Tom Henry Camaros, The Hot Rod Magazine Camaros, The ZL1 Supercar Camaros and the Dick Harrell Camaros.

Matt can be reached at gmmginc4@aol.com

I was wondering if anyone was going to mention the 1le's....... Well i guess most people don't really know what they are though. :bang:

so much drama drama drama....now a days, there are so many ppl with money, u might find someone that spent bukoos on an old beat up datson because it reminded him of his childhood

i just skimmed this tread, and trust me, whoever brought up the whole speed density thing...ya, he probably gets laid a lot...thanks for bringing it up :drive:

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