Brian Tooley Racing

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I thought I would make a post to let anyone that is interested know what is new at TEA.

#1 Stage III 6.0L heads. These heads will feature 2.08 and 1.60 valves with various spring, retainer, valve guide options available. Flow in the 330cfm intake and 280cfm exhaust(with a pipe) range at .600" lift. Made for larger displacement or power adder applications. CNC ported of course. Prices starting at $2200 plus core.

#2 73cc Forced Induction CNC combustion chambers for 4.8/5.3/5.7/LS6. This new chamber displaces 73cc and is designed for any application where less compression is desired. The bore diameter for this chamber is 3.950" and should work on stock displacement engines. This option is available on all of our Stage I, II, or III heads at no extra cost.

#3 77cc Forced Induction CNC combustion chambers for 4.8/5.3/5.7/LS6/6.0L. This new chamber displaces 77cc and is designed for any application where less compression is desired. The bore diameter for this chamber is 4.030" and is designed for larger displacement engines. This option is available on all of our Stage I, II and III heads at no extra cost.

#4 60 sets of 5.3 heads are in process now, we will have every Stage I, II and the new 1.5 in stock, on the shelf, ready to ship. Just in time for tax returns <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Every Stage recieves the same CNC porting, the only difference is valve and spring options. Stage I is $1299, Stage II is $1799 and the NEW Stage 1.5 is $1669 and features all the same great things that our Stage II heads are known for except it has a stock exhaust valve that flows as good or better then the 1.55 Ferrea that comes in the Stage II heads. The base chamber size is 63cc and will yield 10.8:1 compression, can be milled to 57cc or made as big as 73-77cc. Most cores are brand new and will cost $300.

#5 TEA customers racked up no less then 9 class championships in 2002, 3 in NMRA, 2 in OSCA, 1 in Fun Ford, 1 in the new PRO Series, plus 2 in smaller racing series. Our customer Chris Ridge just set the all time 1/8 mile 10.5" tire record, his back halved 3000 LB Mustang ran 4.69 @ 159 and backed it up with a 4.69. Thats good for around 7.15 at 195 in the quarter. His Wayne Young built, single turbo engine makes around 2100 HP with our Brodix Neal heads that flow around 400 intake and 300 exhaust.

#6 Santa may bring a C5 for Christmas, it will not be stock for long.

taqwache

i like #1. finally an inexpensive head for me. i wont have a big inch motor but i will have a 4.030 bore 6.0L block and stock 3.62 crank. these heads will clear that wont they?

Brian Tooley Racing

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They will work fine on that bore, as the chambers are mostly as cast size. BTW They will love nitrous.

BaddMood

Brian your flow numbers look great what port volume are they and what bore size are you flowing on? Although I truly believe your flow numbers are just a little inflated can you please give me the flow numbers without the pipe or with the ls6 intake so I can see what kind of intake to exhaust ratio you have thanks.

Serial Thriller

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Brian Tooley:
<strong>...and the NEW Stage 1.5 is $1669 and features all the same great things that our Stage II heads are known for except it has a stock exhaust valve that flows as good or better then the 1.55 Ferrea that comes in the Stage II heads.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So what's the difference? Obviously the exhaust valve, but if it flows the same, what difference will it make in regard to performance?
I guess the question is really, why buy the "Stage 2" when the "Stage 1.5" has the same port job (inferred from the 'same great things' comment) and the exhaust flows the same despite a smaller valve?

FastMover

I was wondering the same thing. The way it sounds you are saying the stage 1.5 is just as good as the stage 2's.

Jim <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

99 Black Bird T/A

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by FastMover:
<strong>I was wondering the same thing. The way it sounds you are saying the stage 1.5 is just as good as the stage 2's.

Jim <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not sure but I think the compression is a tad higher with the Stage II heads due to the shape/diminsions of the Ferrea valve compared to the stock valve. Something like ~.1

Also with a different exhaust valve their might a subtle differences in the valve job for the exhaust valve.

Stage II's get titanium retainers not sure about Stage 1.5's

Maybe someone that knows for sure can clairify.

<small>[ December 20, 2002, 04:45 PM: Message edited by: 99 Black Bird T/A ]</small>

Nickn20

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by FastMover:
<strong>I was wondering the same thing. The way it sounds you are saying the stage 1.5 is just as good as the stage 2's.

Jim <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">aftermarket valvetrain may be lighter too.

H82BBad

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BaddMood:
<strong>Although I truly believe your flow numbers are just a little inflated.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have seen heads from a west coast sponser on his bench and they flowed almost 15cfm less than than the heads Brian advertises,on the same bench.So if you think TEA's bench is slightly inflated stand back the other bench may just POP!
Hmm where do you work?

H82BBad

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Serial Thriller:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Brian Tooley:
<strong>...and the NEW Stage 1.5 is $1669 and features all the same great things that our Stage II heads are known for except it has a stock exhaust valve that flows as good or better then the 1.55 Ferrea that comes in the Stage II heads.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So what's the difference? Obviously the exhaust valve, but if it flows the same, what difference will it make in regard to performance?
I guess the question is really, why buy the "Stage 2" when the "Stage 1.5" has the same port job (inferred from the 'same great things' comment) and the exhaust flows the same despite a smaller valve?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">on a guess I would say the money saved is from not buying valves. I would also think the ferrea valves would be stronger.Only depends on what kind of spring pressure you are planing on running.IMO

<small>[ December 20, 2002, 07:34 PM: Message edited by: H82BBad ]</small>

99 Black Bird T/A

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BaddMood:
<strong>Although I truly believe your flow numbers are just a little inflated can you please give me the flow numbers without the pipe or with the ls6 intake so I can see what kind of intake to exhaust ratio you have thanks.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I had my TEA heads flow several times and several ways. As other have mentioned before flow benchs vary. My head on intake side without an intake in place were very close to what TEA claims. I regard the difference on the intake side (TEA's numbers vs my numbers) as correction factor between benchs.

The exhaust numbers ARE high because they are with A PIPE. The heads pick up big time with a pipe on them. The exhaust numbers are decent without a pipe too.

VAP

QUOTE]I had my TEA heads flow several times and several ways. As other have mentioned before flow benchs vary. My head on intake side without an intake in place were very close to what TEA claims. I regard the difference on the intake side (TEA's numbers vs my numbers) as correction factor between benchs.



Yeh fair enough ,but what kind of difference in cfm did you get / what bench "did you" flow your heads on - Thanks in advance

theblur98ss

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This is great news. Can't wait to see some dyno and track numbers from the stage 3's. Couple months and my order will be in.

Brian Tooley Racing

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The Stage 1.5 is the same as the Stage II with the dual springs and titanium retainers and all. The difference is the 1.5 has the stock exhaust valve. We believe every item that adds cost to the price of a product should add sufficient benefit. For example the Ferrea 2.02 valve we use in our Stage II head flows 20-30 cfm on our CNC port then the stock 2.00 valve, so this is of significant benefit, as are the dual springs, tit ret., etc. The stock 1.55 exhaust valve flows just as much or more then the Ferrea 1.55 we use in our Stage II head, consequently the REV 1.57 may flow just a couple more cfm then the Ferrea but still not as much as the stock valve. The stock valve has a big tulip and does lose some chamber volume, but we mill every Stage head to whatever chamber they want at no extra cost so you can mill the heads .006" to make up the .1 difference in compression. It may not be as strong as the aftermarket but when was the last time someone said "I just experienced another stock exhaust valve failure"? I have never heard of anyone losing a stock exhaust valve. So we feel that the aftermarket exhaust is not of sufficient value to warrant the $130 price tag, unless the customer wants it. So we now offer the Stage 1.5 for those who feel the way we do.

BaddMood

We don't flow exhaust ports without pipes so we don't have those numbers. The intake port volume should be in the 240-250cc range, compared to our 225cc Stage I/II/1.5 that we have now. The 6.0L was flowed on a 4.030" bore and we will eventually have numbers for a 4.125" bore. The exhaust port was done in house at TEA but the intake port was done elsewhere, I can't let the cat out of the bag just yet but he does have a very fast orange Camaro.

Inflated flow numbers cause lots of problems when you ship a couple sets of heads a day. We have plenty of customers that show more airflow then we do. If we have top tuner/installers flowing our product and showing more flow at some lifts then anyone they have tested then I doubt the numbers are inflated, but coming from CA I can see where you would think they are, because everything we see from CA is, particulary in Ford heads.

99 Black Bird T/A

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VAP,

My friends at <img border="0" alt="[hail]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" /> SRP flowed my TEA <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> heads before doing my H & C install at my request. I can't recall the brand name of the flow bench SRP used. The difference in flow numbers was between 5 to 8 cfm on the intake side. SRP found the max flow for my TEA heads to be 295 cfm vs the 303cfm TEA told me. SRP got with in 1 cfm of the TEA numbers by ignoring the correction factor for SRP's bench. So that said to me the difference in the numbers pretty much amounted to bench vs bench on for the intake numbers. On exhaust there was between 7 to 54 cfm difference because TEA used a pipe and SRP didn't use a pipe. The TEA heads are NOT designed to flow big numbers without a pipe in place. As I understand it and maybe H82BBad can clarify, Brian designed the exhaust port config around flowing with a pipe.

If someone reallly wants BIG exhaust numbers, ask Brian about a NOS exhaust port. I think TEA has one or will.

I want to talk about the new TEA products and learn about them not hash over flow numbers. The TEA heads were very carefully checked by SRP before the TEA's went into my car. By checked I mean checked for flow, flow w/LS1 intake, flow w/LS6 intake, reversion, swirl, spring install height, spring pressure and so on.

Baddmood, yes every part was checked just as carefully before it went into the car as the heads were. SRP does things that way and so do I.

Personally, I want to hear more about the TEA 6.0's for the Big Bore blocks mentioned in the other thread. I would really like to see some mid-lift numbers from the 6.0's.

Cool28

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I have a turboed car and would like to drop the compression down to like mid 9s what head would be best for my combo? I also have a mti b1 cam and a stock ls1 intake.

99 Black Bird T/A

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Cool28:
<strong>I have a turboed car and would like to drop the compression down to like mid 9s what head would be best for my combo? I also have a mti b1 cam and a stock ls1 intake.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">6.0's are probably a good starting point

Scalpel

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Brian, I just wanted to tell you how much I love the heads I got from you. My car is a friggin' missle. Thanks for giving me such a great product!

Formula 1

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ttt

turbo'd stang

Damn, you guys outran Millen?? Impressive indeed! This should get interesting to see who will be the first into the 6's

Scott