Street Racing & Kill Stories - srt4

i have 2001 ws6 transam 6sp stock only have slp lid and magnaflow cat back could i beat srt4 with 15lbs of boost and 20 shot nos

stock I think they push 12-14?

A roll might be a race.....from a dig he might catch up after the 1/8.If u run why not just use a 50 shot or 75?Hes all juiced out,it might move good.

Ibtl!!!

i dont know much about camaros etc and how they are with mods...i do know that with the right mods etc a srt4 can be death on the freeway...i raced one on 25psi and still wasnt good for him...and if this guy your talking about is at 15psi..then i dont he has a upgrade turbo,fuel etc...probably just basics...

but they can be deadly..just watch out...

Sounds like you should beat him......IBTL!

why race a neon?

Depending on traction it might be close. You'll pull him hard down low if he doest brake boost.

why race a neon?


Cause they can beat your vette :::oh snaps:::

Cause they can beat your vette :::oh snaps:::


hell you can mod them to beat a murcielago but it will still be a neon

hell you can mod them to beat a murcielago but it will still be a neon


hey you can do the same with your chevy or pontiac but in the end it'll still be...u guessed it...a chevy, or pontiac...

hell you can mod them to beat a murcielago but it will still be a neon

F.Y.I.: The fact that it's a neon is part of what gives it the appeal. There's something fun about taking a cheap lunchbox on wheels and making it stupid fast... especially considering that a neon should have no business putting out the kind of power it is capable of (with simple mods).

F.Y.I.: The fact that it's a neon is part of what gives it the appeal. There's something fun about taking a cheap lunchbox on wheels and making it stupid fast... especially considering that a neon should have no business putting out the kind of power it is capable of (with simple mods).

Don't let em fill your head with bs. It's a nice lookin car for 1, mean lookin front end with a stock fmic too, and has warrantied mods, on top of lsd stock, on top of being best bang for the buck, and practical. They try and compare it to richer cars cause they have nothing else to say about it, that's their last resort cause it's a nice car, period. But they'll try n belittle it comparing it to a kia or w/e they could think of, around here when these little peons drive by ppl look and stare they are nice cars, and they sound good too. I've noticed a lot of the muscle car ppl that hate on other cars resort to belittling them as if they drive a firrari themselve's, they have nothing else to go on they're just butthurt that their precious 2 door sports car that they think is all end all can actually get beat by so many of the newer import sports cars with minimal mods, then they proceed to call them rice even if they're faster, because they're butthurt, that's just the bottom line.

Don't let em fill your head with bs. It's a nice lookin car for 1, mean lookin front end with a stock fmic too, and has warrantied mods, on top of lsd stock, on top of being best bang for the buck, and practical. They try and compare it to richer cars cause they have nothing else to say about it, that's their last resort cause it's a nice car, period. But they'll try n belittle it comparing it to a kia or w/e they could think of, around here when these little peons drive by ppl look and stare they are nice cars, and they sound good too. I've noticed a lot of the muscle car ppl that hate on other cars resort to belittling them as if they drive a firrari themselve's, they have nothing else to go on they're just butthurt that their precious 2 door sports car that they think is all end all can actually get beat by so many of the newer import sports cars with minimal mods, then they proceed to call them rice even if they're faster, because they're butthurt, that's just the bottom line.

1. You're on an ls1 website, or did you forget that? classic fan-boy mentality on the wrong site.

2. I'm sure the history of Neon would dictate a huge enthusiast following that could compare to that of a pontiac firebird or a chevrolet camaro? no?

3. Would you drive a neon? no? but you'd drive an srt-4? It's a Neon. definately not for me though. They took a economy car and tossed a turbo on it, everything else is still economy neon. So sure it might be fast, but still a 4-door economy car with a turbo (even more economical). Unless I missed somthing. Since when were neon's anything other than cheap reliable transportation.

4. Probably more than 97% of new stock cars make less power and are slower than a stock ls1 in a straight line. 5 years after their last production model ls1 f-body. Go ahead and name some comparatively priced new cars that would be in the 30k range like an f-body would have been that would compare? What? EVO and............EVO... OH and used supras/3000gtvr4's, etc. haha.

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/sedans/0212_Dodge_Neon_Srt4+Dodge_Neon_SRT4+Driver_Side_F ront_View.jpg

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http://www.autowire.net/originalpics/camero2001z28ss.jpg

i have 2001 ws6 transam 6sp stock only have slp lid and magnaflow cat back could i beat srt4 with 15lbs of boost and 20 shot nos

In a word, YES. Slip your clutch off the line and then let it rip. If he tries to launch, it'll just wheel hop. When I drove my friend's SRT4 I had to short shift to 2nd because first would do nothing but hop no matter what we did.

to many god damn skittle lovers and TRANS AM or CAMARO would never be "just a pontiac or chevy"

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/sedans/0212_Dodge_Neon_Srt4+Dodge_Neon_SRT4+Driver_Side_F ront_View.jpg

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http://www.autowire.net/originalpics/camero2001z28ss.jpg
:judge: enough said

IBTL

Run what ya brung and hope you brought enough. Only way to find out is to race and see what happens. Good luck in the race.

Remember the wooley mammoth on Pinks? That car is FAST! But I wouldn't want to be seen driving it around town. This is how I feel about SRT-4's. They can be built to be real fast without breaking the bank but at the end of the day they still look a Neon. And Neons IMO are fugly cars marketed towards girls. So I wouldn't want to be seen driving one even if it was a 10 second car.

But that's just me.

Read the gosh damned rules please.

Ibtl!! ^^ I Made It!!

Dive.....IBTL....yes!

hey you can do the same with your chevy or pontiac but in the end it'll still be...u guessed it...a chevy, or pontiac...

That's one of their best selling points! Now, please, stop being a close-minded SRT4 fanboy. I like SRT4s, actually considered one for a DD, but the reality is that they are not THAT fast bone stock. Very high 13s if the owner can REALLY drive it. And, I'd be willing to bet that more than 1/2 of SRT owners can't REALLY drive em.

Oh...and IBTL!

That's one of their best selling points! Now, please, stop being a close-minded SRT4 fanboy. I like SRT4s, actually considered one for a DD, but the reality is that they are not THAT fast bone stock. Very high 13s if the owner can REALLY drive it. And, I'd be willing to bet that more than 1/2 of SRT owners can't REALLY drive em.

lol, close minded?? Speak for yourself domestic fanboy. The srt can have staged mods stock, warrantied stock, and the stage 1 or stage 2 srt-4 will be as fast if not faster than your precious fbody that really isn't THAT fast stock anyway (and nevermind the lt1's those get left in the dust, and the srt's look better but that's just imho). I'd be willing to bet you can't drive for shit either bananahead...man your reply is the funniest reply I've read yet, I'm just playing along so you could hopefully get a clue as to how dumb those statements of yours were....and I'm supposed to be the close-minded fanboy, lol.

1. You're on an ls1 website, or did you forget that? classic fan-boy mentality on the wrong site.

2. I'm sure the history of Neon would dictate a huge enthusiast following that could compare to that of a pontiac firebird or a chevrolet camaro? no?

3. Would you drive a neon? no? but you'd drive an srt-4? It's a Neon. definately not for me though. They took a economy car and tossed a turbo on it, everything else is still economy neon. So sure it might be fast, but still a 4-door economy car with a turbo (even more economical). Unless I missed somthing. Since when were neon's anything other than cheap reliable transportation.

4. Probably more than 97% of new stock cars make less power and are slower than a stock ls1 in a straight line. 5 years after their last production model ls1 f-body. Go ahead and name some comparatively priced new cars that would be in the 30k range like an f-body would have been that would compare? What? EVO and............EVO... OH and used supras/3000gtvr4's, etc. haha.


numbnuts, I drive a peon, why would I care what I drive, are you that self conscious. There is a nice srt following for the few years it's been around, it's a great all around car not to mention a fast sports aspecially for the price, and it's funny your f-body was around 30k this little peon that the original poster is so worried about is around 20k new correct me if i'm wrong.


Man I really hate ignorant pricks that type in lists and numbers like they have a damn clue what their talking about. It's a 2.4l for starters, and they didn't just throw on a turbo, do u even know how a turbo setup works? I can't believe the crap some of u ppl are spitting out as though it's fact. And just to humor u, lets say u were right, and it's just a regular economy neon with a turbo on it, then don't u think that's pretty sad that it can keep up if not beat your fbody's for being just a regular ol' economy neon with a turbo thrown togather.

And the funny thing is I hope to own an ls1 one day, I'm waiting until the new camaro's come out since I figure that's when the fbody fans will wanna trade in their old one's for cheap...but I'm supposed to be the close-minded fanboy huh?

IBTL

Run what ya brung and hope you brought enough. Only way to find out is to race and see what happens. Good luck in the race.



x2, I think the only reason why he care's so much beforehand if he'll def. win or not is because of how everyone's bashing on those cars as if they are nothing, if they're so bad then why is he even worried. I think it'd be a good race, with the neon having the upper edge, turbo applications love nitrous (if the piston ringlands can handle it) so I think the bottle is gonna yield em some good power. But don't worry about what other ppl think like these knuckleheads that wouldn't be cought dead driving in a neon because they must of had it real good all their live's, and enjoy this hobby for yourself, basically go race em and find out, and let us know how it went and i'm sure ppl will help you down a decent mod path to beat the neon next time if u do happen to lose.

edit: Sorry for the triple post!

I'm certainly not calling you a fanboi or closed minded but I do have a few corrections to make.

The srt can have staged mods stock, warrantied stock, and will be as fast if not faster than your precious fbody that really isn't THAT fast stock anyway

Our cars also came with a warranty when they were new and to my knowledge they were not voided by bolt-ons. Heads/cam/N20 is another story :devil:

Lets look at our "not that fast" F-bodies. The fastest stock time I ever heard of was 12.8 and it's considered normal for some older 2.73 geared autos to be closer to 13.8. That gives F-bodies a range of 12.8-13.8 in stock trim. The fastest stock SRT-4 I have ever heard of is 13.6 (which is as rare as a 12.8 F-body) and that can go as high as 14.6. So SRT-4s are 13.6-14.6 cars in stock trim.

Any way you slice it the F-body (on average) is a solid half second faster in the quarter mile then a SRT-4 in stock trim. You guys will average 14.0 and we average 13.5. So if LS1 F-bodies are "not that fast anyway" then SRT-4's are a half second slower then "not that fast anyway".

(and nevermind the lt1's those get left in the dust, and the srt's look better but that's just imho).

The Irony here is that LT1's are also 13.6-14.6 stock trim cars. The general concensus is that the LT1 is a drivers race with a SRT-4 while the LS1 is one step ahead. Not being cocky here but just stating the facts.

SRT's being better looking is purely subjective but I have a feeling that opinion is in the minority. Not only here at LS1tech but also to the general public. Unless of course we were polling teenage girls across the country :jest:

I'm just kidding.

Or am I? :devil:

Read the gosh damned rules please.

Rules are ment to be broken. This guy is just a reble without a cause.
Wa wa wa someone call the forum police because he broked the rules wa wa.

Srt-4s sound like shit and look like shit. but I don't care about them they are 4cly shit boxes that I would never own so I will not talk about them ,they have nothing on any year f-body.

I'm certainly not calling you a fanboi or closed minded but I do have a few corrections to make.



Our cars also came with a warranty when they were new and to my knowledge they were not voided by bolt-ons. Heads/cam/N20 is another story :devil:

Lets look at our not that fast F-bodies. The fastest stock time I ever heard of was 12.8 and it's considered normal for some older 2.73 geared autos to be closer to 13.8. That gives F-bodies a range of 12.8-13.8 in stock trim. The fastest stock SRT-4 I have ever heard of is 13.6 (which is as rare as a 12.8 F-body) and that can go as high as 14.6. So they are 13.6-14.6 cars stock.

Any way you slice it the F-body (on average) is a solid half second faster in the quarter mile then a SRT-4 in stock trim. You guys will average 14.0 and we average 13.5. So if LS1 F-bodies are "not that fast anyway" then SRT-4's are a half second slower then "not that fast anyway".



The Irony here is that LT1's are also 13.6-14.6 stock trim cars. The general concensus is that the LT1 is a drivers race with a SRT-4 while the LS1 is one step ahead. Not being cocky here but just stating the facts.

SRT's being better looking is purely subjective but I have a feeling that opinion is in the minority not only here but in general. Unless of course we were polling teenage girls across the country :jest:

I'm just kidding.

Or an I? :devil:

Yeah I agree with a good driver, I've seen a 12.8 with those slp mods I think it was. The srt-4 compared to the lt1 I know is subjective and I was just playing along since everyone else was talking about looks (ricers, lol) but honestly, not that I have anything against the lt1's, but do you guys really prefer their looks over an srt-4? Many ppl that I've talked to can't stand the look of those cars, the ls1's though got it right, those look damn good, but something about those squared headlights of the lt1 just doesn't fit in with most of todays enthusiasts, just imho I know it's purely subjective, so think what you want.


I'm not sure what the general consensus is but like I said most srt's already have their staged mods from the factory, i mean in 04 it already came stock with lsd and stage 1, so the newer one's with their staged mods are one step above the first one's produced. I've never seen an srt have a hard time with the lt1's, with the ls1's i think the stage II srt-4's would be a good race, and I think you'd be surprised how well they can keep up if not take the win (i'm just talking about the warrantied mods you can choose to get for the car stock, not any other mods, u can easily mod an srt-4 for hardly any more money to beat an ls1, maybe a little raised boost will do it).

Also lastly (heh, this is funny cause I don't even own an srt-4, i just like to keep an open mind and keep a look out at the dif. cars at the track) the srt-4's all seem to run under 14's, i've never seen one run over 14's unless it had a horrible 60ft, maybe the first year srt-4's without their lsd may have been close to 14's but even then I remember ppl clicking off time's in the 13's pretty commonly. IMO it seems stock newer srt-4's will go high 13's usually, stage 1 will go mid 13's, and stage II will go low 13's, really tough for them to dip into the 12's imo being fwd.

Rules are ment to be broken. This guy is just a reble without a cause.
Wa wa wa someone call the forum police because he broked the rules wa wa.

You have 14 posts to your username and you're making fun of a moderator for pointing out the rules.

Are you trying to get banned or are you a rebel without a cause?

Rules are ment to be broken. This guy is just a reble without a cause.
Wa wa wa someone call the forum police because he broked the rules wa wa.


I believe unit is a mod here, just a heads up I'd show a little more respect.

Srt-4s sound like shit and look like shit. but I don't care about them they are 4cly shit boxes that I would never own so I will not talk about them ,they have nothing on any year f-body.

Here's a secret, your lt1 looks like shit and has nothing for the srt-4, your 500lb's heavier with close to the same whp.

numbnuts, I drive a peon, why would I care what I drive, are you that self conscious. There is a nice srt following for the few years it's been around, it's a great all around car not to mention a fast sports aspecially for the price, and it's funny your f-body was around 30k this little peon that the original poster is so worried about is around 20k new correct me if i'm wrong.


Man I really hate ignorant pricks that type in lists and numbers like they have a damn clue what their talking about. It's a 2.4l for starters, and they didn't just throw on a turbo, do u even know how a turbo setup works? I can't believe the crap some of u ppl are spitting out as though it's fact. And just to humor u, lets say u were right, and it's just a regular economy neon with a turbo on it, then don't u think that's pretty sad that it can keep up if not beat your fbody's for being just a regular ol' economy neon with a turbo thrown togather.

And the funny thing is I hope to own an ls1 one day, I'm waiting until the new camaro's come out since I figure that's when the fbody fans will wanna trade in their old one's for cheap...but I'm supposed to be the close-minded fanboy huh?


hahaha @ not owning an ls1. Wow. As predicted.

I've been in both cars. the interior/exterior is the same mostly outside of wheels/spoiler/hood. The engine is definately built to perform, but it's barely comparable to a stock ls1 f-body in their own right. NO, sorry I dont know the specs of the individual engines. But I've seen bolt-on turbo kits and 4-cylinder engines. They just did more engineering (READ: SRT) but PLEASE humor US and tell us what they did special in those engines that make them a stand-out.

Hopefully one day you get to own one, so you can actually appreciate the car instead of posting generalized information. (READ: your original post)

Didn't they discontinue the SRT-4 Neon for 08"??? Must be a reason they redesigning it. 260ft lbs of torque? I think the Caliber still wouldn't be for me.

Good luck on that ls1. Hopefully you can get out of that neon one day.

so they put 300hp 325trq to the ground and weight 2700 pounds?

lol, close minded?? Speak for yourself domestic fanboy. The srt can have staged mods stock, warrantied stock, and the stage 1 or stage 2 srt-4 will be as fast if not faster than your precious fbody that really isn't THAT fast stock anyway (and nevermind the lt1's those get left in the dust, and the srt's look better but that's just imho). I'd be willing to bet you can't drive for shit either bananahead...man your reply is the funniest reply I've read yet, I'm just playing along so you could hopefully get a clue as to how dumb those statements of yours were....and I'm supposed to be the close-minded fanboy, lol.
This here blows my mind.Are there really people thinking this way?The LS1 uses some of the most basic boltons, that make modding the car a snap.Not to mention, adding the next level components,that makes these cars sub 12.5 car
:gtfo:

Also lastly (heh, this is funny cause I don't even own an srt-4, i just like to keep an open mind and keep a look out at the dif. cars at the track) the srt-4's all seem to run under 14's, i've never seen one run over 14's unless it had a horrible 60ft, maybe the first year srt-4's without their lsd may have been close to 14's but even then I remember ppl clicking off time's in the 13's pretty commonly. IMO it seems stock newer srt-4's will go high 13's usually, stage 1 will go mid 13's, and stage II will go low 13's, really tough for them to dip into the 12's imo being fwd.

FWD and street tires are reasons #1 and #2 for why I have never seen a stock SRT-4 hit better then a 14.0 at my track. I obviously don't own one either but I have been a long time member at srtforums.com so I know the 411 on these things stock or modded. Or at least I used to because I stopped hanging out there when warstories was removed.

Now granted the cars I see run are not stage 2 cars but as far as I know in 03 and 04 the SRT-4 didn't come from the factory with stage 2 or 3. People would buy the kits from aftermarket vendors. Not sure about 05 but from your remarks it sounds like Dodge offered stage 2 as a factory option.

I raped a stage 3 neon from a dig. Just go race him. Those cars are fun to drive though. The shifter feels sloppy like a Mack Truck, but running them through the twisties is actually a pretty good time. I'll give the little neon that could some credit for being a sweet all around car. I'd use one as a daily driver. Now go ahead boys, start flaming.

Wasnt the SRT4s engine the same platform as the Breeze or Stratus?"The family car"

hahaha @ not owning an ls1. Wow. As predicted.

I've been in both cars. the interior/exterior is the same mostly outside of wheels/spoiler/hood. The engine is definately built to perform, but it's barely comparable to a stock ls1 f-body in their own right. NO, sorry I dont know the specs of the individual engines. But I've seen bolt-on turbo kits and 4-cylinder engines. They just did more engineering (READ: SRT) but PLEASE humor US and tell us what they did special in those engines that make them a stand-out.

Hopefully one day you get to own one, so you can actually appreciate the car instead of posting generalized information. (READ: your original post)

Didn't they discontinue the SRT-4 Neon for 08"??? Must be a reason they redesigning it. 260ft lbs of torque? I think the Caliber still wouldn't be for me.

Good luck on that ls1. Hopefully you can get out of that neon one day.


lmao, you crack me up. I got my little peon because I decided to get out of this hobby and save for something more important. I used to have a dsm and I know how ppl can get carried away with this hobby, so I choose to buy a simple economical car until I save enough money to feel comfortable with, hopefully enough to have a good down payment on a house when the time is right, and then when I'm comfortable I'll gladly jump back into this hobby and get a nice fun sports car, but thanks for your concern though. And didn't they discontinue the camaro in 02?? Can't believe I'm replying to this crap...

And by the way it's funny how your comparing a 30k car's interior and performance to a 20k car, and the original poster is worried about loosing a race to one, pretty impressive for the price huh?

ls1 go for 8-13k nowadays pretty impresive for the price huh?

This here blows my mind.Are there really people thinking this way?The LS1 uses some of the most basic boltons, that make modding the car a snap.Not to mention, adding the next level components,that makes these cars sub 12.5 car
:gtfo:


The srt's don't need any basic bolt on's, they've got a turbo more than capable of giving more power, they just need a good tune and maybe a little more fuel support if they really wanna get greedy.

ls1 go for 8-13k nowadays pretty impresive for the price huh?


With how many mile's?

so they put 300hp 325trq to the ground and weight 2700 pounds?


You think stock lt1's put 300 to the ground??

Those are prices new.I bought my LS1 for 7k.Whats funny is its got 141k on the clock and ive put down,more than a handful of 13sec rated cars.New gts,chargers,geez man every srt4 ive ever raced.FOR 7000$

I believe unit is a mod here, just a heads up I'd show a little more respect.



Here's a secret, your lt1 looks like shit and has nothing for the srt-4, your 500lb's heavier with close to the same whp.

you shouldnt say such things because all it would take is for you to say that to the wrong person and next thing you know you would be owned.. i would advise you to respect the neon for what it was made for... im not sure what the latest on that debate was but it certainly was not to compete with the american v8's (besides a STOCK/slightly modded mustang gt). go race a saturn redline or a honda civic or an eclipse yada yada blah blah .. but for the most part you wont be competing with too very many people on this site with your srt4 vs any of these v8's. i know good and well you couldnt touch MY lt1 with an srt4.. punk ass. but if you think you can go ahead and jump stupid im ready to bet you a titles race on it... ive been in need of a daily driver .... :gtfo:

Those are prices new.I bought my LS1 for 7k.Whats funny is its got 141k on the clock and ive put down,more than a handful of 13sec rated cars.New gts,chargers,geez man every srt4 ive ever raced.FOR 7000$


Don't start with me about price's, lol, my old dsm would hand you your ass on a silver platter every single race and cost thousands less with mods. Even race's from a roll. The srt's are new right now with low mile's, i'm sure they won't cost so much with 141k on the clock...

You crack ME UP.. cause you dont even own a GM vehicle and act like it's expensive to own, like it somehow prevents the rest of us from owning other cars and houses. rofl. You must be like 16-17 years old, just a young buck in the world.

You could get such a nice 02 ws6 or ss with low miles for 20k nowadays. but why.

They are so inexpensive if you really wanted one, oh well. Lets talk more about the SRT-4 and how it compares to the 5+ year old ls1. It's NOT impressive. I'm not impressed. the EVO's impress me more cause they actually have a racing history and are based on a performance minded car. the NEON is just economical car they they upgraded. Kind of like how in CIVIC SI the SI stands for SICK.

i think its funny how people talk down the LT1 cars but i guess thats there opinion in the end, but any way i've raced a a modded SRT-4 that had just the driver while we had a 94 LT-1 hard top t/a with two passengers and a three cases of beer... we beat it from a dig bad and worse from a roll... and the only mod done to the t/a long tubes...

you shouldnt say such things because all it would take is for you to say that to the wrong person and next thing you know you would be owned.. i would advise you to respect the neon for what it was made for... im not sure what the latest on that debate was but it certainly was not to compete with the american v8's (besides a STOCK/slightly modded mustang gt). go race a saturn redline or a honda civic or an eclipse yada yada blah blah .. but for the most part you wont be competing with too very many people on this site with your srt4 vs any of these v8's. i know good and well you couldnt touch MY lt1 with an srt4.. punk ass. but if you think you can go ahead and jump stupid im ready to bet you a titles race on it... ive been in need of a daily driver .... :gtfo:

Hey why don't u go tell your pals not to say such things about srt-4's, I know a ton of em that would beat their "punkass" stock ls1's by buslength's but their still talking about looks cause that's all they have to resort too. And don't kid yourselve's stock gt's are the slowest pile's there is, stock srt's would beat em by buslength's.


Oh and I know someone who's about to turbo his lt1, it's gonna be one badass car and I have a lot of respect for em, so don't take it the wrong way when I say that imo lt1's look uglier than srt-4's god forbid. I personally could care less about looks of a car, that's a ricer's mantality, I respect anything fast aspecially that had hard work, time and money put into it. I'm just playing along with these other posts.

Dont start?Your talon tsi or laser will not go 12s for under 3000 including the cost of the car.thats under half and covers mostly the cost of the car.whats your next mod?a big turbo?you need fuel management.Oh and dont break the stock drive train after adding 14 psi over stock.LAME.Youre not John Shepard>

Someone stop this "waste of forum space"hes already made a handful of enemies.

You crack ME UP.. cause you dont even own a GM vehicle and act like it's expensive to own, like it somehow prevents the rest of us from owning other cars and houses. rofl. You must be like 16-17 years old, just a young buck in the world.

You could get such a nice 02 ws6 or ss with low miles for 20k nowadays. but why.

They are so inexpensive if you really wanted one, oh well. Lets talk more about the SRT-4 and how it compares to the 5+ year old ls1. It's NOT impressive. I'm not impressed. the EVO's impress me more cause they actually have a racing history and are based on a performance minded car. the NEON is just economical car they they upgraded. Kind of like how in CIVIC SI the SI stands for SICK.


I could get an ls1 in 2 months, lol, I just choose not to. Don't like rwd in new england, dude I have nothing against your ls1's, I think they're the baddest car's out there, second only to the terminators, just mho, but you guys are the one's nocking the srt-4's which I also respect, so deal with it you can't handle your own medicine, I'm only playing along with you guys, giving you a taste of your own medicine.

You think stock lt1's put 300 to the ground??
you didn't say stock you said my LT1

Hey why don't u go tell your pals not to say such things about srt-4's, I know a ton of em that would beat their "punkass" stock ls1's by buslength's but their still talking about looks cause that's all they have to resort too. And don't kid yourselve's stock gt's are the slowest pile's there is, stock srt's would beat em by buslength's.


Oh and I know someone who's about to turbo his lt1, it's gonna be one badass car and I have a lot of respect for em, so don't take it the wrong way when I say that imo lt1's look uglier than srt-4's god forbid. I personally could care less about looks of a car, that's a ricer's mantality, I respect anything fast aspecially that had hard work, time and money put into it. I'm just playing along with these other posts.

i wasnt talking about the looks of either car because truthfully i dont care what you think about how someone elses car looks .. truthfully i dont care what anyone thinks about how my car looks because im not trying to impress them with my ability to have a good looking car.. anyways im guessing youre not going to try and race me for slips so this is pretty much worthless unless you wanna race me for a large sum of money which would pretty much end this debate if you coul win but i dont think you could.. but if you ever want to go ahead and im me and we can set the race up... till then go to a neon forum to talk bad about v8 cars not on LS1TECH.COM!!! :bang:

i wasnt talking about the looks of either car because truthfully i dont care what you think about how someone elses car looks .. truthfully i dont care what anyone thinks about how my car looks because im not trying to impress them with my ability to have a good looking car.. anyways im guessing youre not going to try and race me for slips so this is pretty much worthless unless you wanna race me for a large sum of money which would pretty much end this debate if you coul win but i dont think you could.. but if you ever want to go ahead and im me and we can set the race up... till then go to a neon forum to talk bad about v8 cars not on LS1TECH.COM!!! :bang:


I was just about to give u the benefit of the doubt and think your a cool car enthusiast with a fast car...but your seriously asking to race for "pink slips," are you kidding me?? And I posted a few time's now that I'm out of this hobby, if you are really looking for a money race I can gladly set u up with one if your in the new england area, against an import or 2. Whats done to your car?

And why can't I be on ls1tech.com, lmao, I like these cars. Just because I'm saying a turbo 4 banger can be as fast as these cars god forbid doesn't mean I'm talking down to them, it just means that you guys set the bar ;)

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(i'm just talking about the warrantied mods you can choose to get for the car stock, not any other mods, u can easily mod an srt-4 for hardly any more money to beat an ls1, maybe a little raised boost will do it).

who cares about mods that will void your warrenty. you think thats gonna stop people from doing it. from workin at a dealership you would be surprised at the shit that actually gets warrentied. had a lady come in last week with 40k on her car (out of warrenty) with a blown motor. she never changed her oil once in 40 thousand miles and you know what they warrentied the motor.

Dont start?Your talon tsi or laser will not go 12s for under 3000 including the cost of the car.thats under half and covers mostly the cost of the car.whats your next mod?a big turbo?you need fuel management.Oh and dont break the stock drive train after adding 14 psi over stock.LAME.Youre not John Shepard>


LOL, ignorance is bliss. There is/was a website of a guy who took a Laser, same car as a Talon, and ran 12 for guess what?? You got it, $3000 including the car. Dont spout shit you dont know anything about.

And Neons run mid 12s for very low amounts of money as well, go read SRTforums.

LOL, ignorance is bliss. There is/was a website of a guy who took a Laser, same car as a Talon, and ran 12 for guess what?? You got it, $3000 including the car. Dont spout shit you dont know anything about.

And Neons run mid 12s for very low amounts of money as well, go read SRTforums.


Thank you! A domestic car guy who can appreciate the hobby in general and not spit and shit on a dif. type of car! Good shit! And man I wish I could get my hands on a laser those car's are light as hell, it take's nothing to get those things into the 12's.

LOL, ignorance is bliss. There is/was a website of a guy who took a Laser, same car as a Talon, and ran 12 for guess what?? You got it, $3000 including the car. Dont spout shit you dont know anything about.

And Neons run mid 12s for very low amounts of money as well, go read SRTforums.
Nice.....There rare cases.Saying i know nothing is like saying your girlfriend doesnt cheat on you.a matter of opinion.I treat people with respect until they go out of their way to insult me.I wont be trollin any forums of cars i dont drive.:eyes:

Im gonna let this go on without me.Ive said my piece.If u care to refer back to my previous posts,and salavate over what i said,go right ahead.

Thank you! A domestic car guy who can appreciate the hobby in general and not spit and shit on a dif. type of car! Good shit! And man I wish I could get my hands on a laser those car's are light as hell, it take's nothing to get those things into the 12's.

So the verdict is in, you're a troll.

Sorry.

So the verdict is in, you're a troll.

Sorry.


Yeah not so much. Nice firehawk by the way, that's a nice color.

damn this is way to many post about skittles

get back in your M&M car and stop thinking you will win an argument in favor of your car on an LS1 forum. Around here are blood type is GM and your playing with the big boys now, do us all a favor and troll on an import site.

wow. why all the fighting?
first of all, how did dsm's come up. because i think that subject should be avoided. they are ridiculously unreliable and not worth talking about. (before you flame, i had a 90 eclipse gsx).

the srt 4s are cool for what they are. they are NOT imports so i dont know why they are getting grouped as such. last time i checked, they were made by dodge. yes they have different stages of mods but none of which will break them into the 12s with a warranty. an slp optioned f body would have easily broken 12s from the factory, thats a simple fact.

modding a four cylinder is costly and doesnt at all yield the same power gain as modding a pushrod v8 does. granted you can turn up the boost on the srt and get quite a bit more power, but with that comes more fuel and more tuning. also, srt 4s are and will always be at a disadvantage in regards to usable power. firstly, they arent that fast stock,because they suffer badly off the launch from wheel hop. f bodies require suspension to pull off fast trap speeds as well, but you can get well into the 11s with sub frame connectors and a torque arm without much trouble.

the domestic community doesnt just get beat by fast imports and then label them rice. if we were honest, the only cars typically giving any ls1 trouble are modded evos and stis and on occasion, srt 4s. the fact is that people think for whatever reason that they need to make excuses for their cars not being fast so they just do stupid shit. if you really want to defend ricers, not imports, then you need to ask them why they constantly contradict physics and ignore proven car knowledge. having a huge wing on a front driver is beyond idiotic....

but srt 4s arent that slow either, and if this guy knows his car and sprays at the right time, the ls1 might have trouble in river city. but i keep the faith.
never underestimate anything....

Cause they can beat your vette :::oh snaps:::

Statements like this just DEMAND respect. Looks like we have another candidate for the "Ignore list". LOL

hey you can do the same with your chevy or pontiac but in the end it'll still be...u guessed it...a chevy, or pontiac...:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:


Think about it...you really think a mercialago owner is gonna think any more of the car, no matter it's history, the tax on the lambo prob cost more than your car. The guy talked down on the neon, and I was hoping he'd realize that just as he looks down on the neon there are car owners with more expensive cars that will look down on his car just the same...think about it...actually I don't care anymore if you guys think about it or not, you can think what you want, i just find it funny you guys act like u own firarri's the way you talk down on other cars.

lol, close minded?? Speak for yourself domestic fanboy. The srt can have staged mods stock, warrantied stock, and the stage 1 or stage 2 srt-4 will be as fast if not faster than your precious fbody that really isn't THAT fast stock anyway (and nevermind the lt1's those get left in the dust, and the srt's look better but that's just imho). I'd be willing to bet you can't drive for shit either bananahead...man your reply is the funniest reply I've read yet, I'm just playing along so you could hopefully get a clue as to how dumb those statements of yours were....and I'm supposed to be the close-minded fanboy, lol.
I think heres where your posts took a turn.If u look at my first post to the OP,i wasnt bashing the "Turbo inline 4".And you wont find me to be an ignorant guy,who cant recognize a fast car.No one here would flame you for stating the facts on an SRT4.Its when u insult our cars like we drive "snail like fossils".Keep it clean and youll be alot happier here.

I think heres where your posts took a turn.If u look at my first post to the OP,i wasnt bashing the "Turbo inline 4".And you wont find me to be an ignorant guy,who cant recognize a fast car.No one here would flame you for stating the facts on an SRT4.Its when u insult our cars like we drive "snail like fossils".Keep it clean and youll be alot happier here.


Well as a car enthusiast, to see ppl stoop to saying "oh but in the end it's still this or that car, and I wouldn't be cought dead driving it" is annoying as hell. And to top it off, being called an srt-4 fanboy, when I just recently started getting into these cars, took the cake. I'm not an ignorant guy as well, I may not know everything, but I have a good idea of what dif. cars are capable of, and the last thing I am is a fanboy of any one car. To read from a corvette owner "why would you waste your time" ticks me off because #1, abviously the car in question has something for this ls1, you have to admit an srt-4 is pretty decently fast, coupled with nitrous it'd be a good race, but to this vette owner seems like he's so up on his high horse he can't fathom that, all he see's is a neon, and that's pathetic, again as a car enthusiast I can't stand to see that kind of close-mindedness, and then I am the one who's being accused of being close-minded...but again, think what you guys want, i'm not here to win a popularity contest, I'm here cause I also like fbody's.



With all this aside though...I wonder if this guy's gonna even end up racing or not...

Fair enough.I would like to point out the other vette owners post."Z O SICK".This particular guy drives a monster.If i was on the same road,i might just pull over and consider myself owned by default!He was chill and honest about the race.
I dont begrudge u for puttin up a fight,and i doubt the other guys will either.

Think about it...you really think a mercialago owner is gonna think any more of the car, no matter it's history, the tax on the lambo prob cost more than your car. The guy talked down on the neon, and I was hoping he'd realize that just as he looks down on the neon there are car owners with more expensive cars that will look down on his car just the same...think about it...actually I don't care anymore if you guys think about it or not, you can think what you want, i just find it funny you guys act like u own firarri's the way you talk down on other cars.I agree with you to a certain extent.

Either way, everything aside, the guy needs to just race the neon and get it over with.

Think about it...you really think a mercialago owner is gonna think any more of the car, no matter it's history, the tax on the lambo prob cost more than your car. The guy talked down on the neon, and I was hoping he'd realize that just as he looks down on the neon there are car owners with more expensive cars that will look down on his car just the same...think about it...actually I don't care anymore if you guys think about it or not, you can think what you want, i just find it funny you guys act like u own firarri's the way you talk down on other cars.

If you didn't care what we think then you wouldn't keep posting and getting so worked up. Think about it. And it's Ferrari not firarri :lol:

We are on LS1tech here so you're fighting a losing battle. But I bet the general public looks at LS1 F-bodies as loud & fast RWD muscle cars while they see the SRT-4 as a FWD Neon on steriods.

And we all know what steroids do. They make you stronger but at the expense of shinking the testies :jest:

But if you like the SRT-4 then that's all that matters.

If you didn't care what we think then you wouldn't keep posting and getting so worked up. Think about it. And it's Ferrari not firarri :lol:

We are on LS1tech here so you're fighting a losing battle. But I bet the general public looks at LS1 F-bodies as loud & fast RWD muscle cars while they see the SRT-4 as a FWD Neon on steriods.

And we all know what steroids do. They make you stronger but at the expense of shinking the testies :jest:

But if you like the SRT-4 then that's all that matters.


Troof on the neon on steroids part but shrinking the testies i disagree cause I don't buy a car to make my testies look bigger :smokin2: lol

Troof on the neon on steroids part but shrinking the testies i disagree cause I don't buy a car to make my testies look bigger :smokin2: lol

:lol:

I gotta give you 5 points for that one. Well done!

Well as a car enthusiast, to see ppl stoop to saying "oh but in the end it's still this or that car, and I wouldn't be cought dead driving it" is annoying as hell. And to top it off, being called an srt-4 fanboy, when I just recently started getting into these cars, took the cake. I'm not an ignorant guy as well, I may not know everything, but I have a good idea of what dif. cars are capable of, and the last thing I am is a fanboy of any one car. To read from a corvette owner "why would you waste your time" ticks me off because #1, abviously the car in question has something for this ls1, you have to admit an srt-4 is pretty decently fast, coupled with nitrous it'd be a good race, but to this vette owner seems like he's so up on his high horse he can't fathom that, all he see's is a neon, and that's pathetic, again as a car enthusiast I can't stand to see that kind of close-mindedness, and then I am the one who's being accused of being close-minded...but again, think what you guys want, i'm not here to win a popularity contest, I'm here cause I also like fbody's.



With all this aside though...I wonder if this guy's gonna even end up racing or not...

Advice from a Ford guy on an LS1 site: Most guys here are very, very cool and knowledgable of cars...true enthusiasts. Some are ignorant fanboys. BUT this IS LS1tech. Show some respect and you will be respected in return. You've started off on the wrong foot here by insulting LS1s and showing you have a bunch to learn not only about LS1s, but about SRT4s. They are definitely NOT comparable performance-wise stock vs. stock.
I feel certain you were not so stupid as to think you could post insults directed at LS1s/Domestics/Muscle-type V8 cars here and be welcomed, so that would make you a troll. Change your attitude and keep in mind where you are and you'll find this forum to be very enjoyable and educating.

And by the way, In the end an SRT4 is still a Neon Skittle and I would NOT be caught dead in one.

You think stock lt1's put 300 to the ground??

i thought they did the ws6 and the ss ive heard

i thought they did the ws6 and the ss ive heard


From what I've seen, the lt1's seem to make 250-260whp stock on the dyno's, the ls1's though, make 300whp pretty easy.