Street Racing & Kill Stories - 402 VS 600 street bike

How close would a Fbody with a 402 with about 500 hp/tq come in next to a stock 600.

At the track? I know you would talk street racing on this DRAG RACE forum. No idea. Those bikes are quick.

David

I held pretty good w 2 600 sport bikes w a 440 rwhp c5

beat several 600's with my 408 Including a slightly modded raven R6. I have also beat a gsxr 750 with a 100 shot.

Its all about the rider.

From a roll in my car i got my ass handed to me from an 03 R6 they said it was bone stock. Im puttng down 500 wheel hp and torque and that guy could ride, it was about a 30 roll he let me get the break and then het got me by about 2 cars i was doing about 140 topped out in 4th

ya rider makes big diff..they stop pulling after 120...i had a cam only lt1 n/a 70-140 came around one at about 130

Since we are talking about street racing - I'll move it there

David

beat several 600's with my 408 Including a slightly modded raven R6. I have also beat a gsxr 750 with a 100 shot.

that is total bullshit

that is total bullshit


Dude you are an assclown! I have beaten the shit out of 05 GXR750's with a good rider with 502 rwhp. Dude should walk the 600 easily if you get traction.

i was talking about the 750 with 100shot...bikes are deadly..especially a 750 with nos...and i know bikes can be beat...i have a video of a evo beating a zx-10R or zx12R with full exhaust,tuned etc and 50shot..so yes it can be done...but i dont know about that one

i was talking about the 750 with 100shot...bikes are deadly..especially a 750 with nos...and i know bikes can be beat...i have a video of a evo beating a zx-10R or zx12R with full exhaust,tuned etc and 50shot..so yes it can be done...but i dont know about that one


Ok the guy said he had a 408, which normally is around the 500rwhp mark. He also stated he had a 100 shot for insurance. That equates to said bike coming away with a hairless ass from the waxing it recieved.

ya rider makes big diff..they stop pulling after 120...i had a cam only lt1 n/a 70-140 came around one at about 130

Mine doesnt stop pulling after 120? None that I've rode have.

ya rider makes big diff..they stop pulling after 120...i had a cam only lt1 n/a 70-140 came around one at about 130

what are you talking about?lol..bikes dont stop pulling after 120,haha...ive rode a R6,R1,GSXR 600,750 and 1000...

I have personally raced a GSXR 750 with my 600hp blown C5. I pulled it by about a carlength, on video. If the guy was a better rider, I'm sure he could have taken me by a little bit. A strong running 408 on a 100 shot probably would have beaten me pretty good, so I'd say that setup is definately capable of beating a 750. A 500rwhp 402 would be a pretty good run for a 600, but I think this race will come down to the rider. My C5 was definately faster than my CBR 600. Below 100mph the 600's run pretty good, but have terrible aerodynamics at high speeds. It gets very obvious over 120-130.

considering my car weighs 3000 lbs, can get traction from any roll, and has WELL over 600whp.. i am not seeing any reasoning behind why you don't think i can beat a 750.

the guy could ride!

A GSXR 750 w/ a 100 shot :eek2: That's nearly doubling it's power!

I find it hard to believe your 502hp car beat a bike w/ over 200hp (on spray)...unless he was having big problems keeping the front wheel down (which I imagine he was) :jest:

i think you guys have misunderstood my post. I HAD the 100 shot, vs a STOCK 750.

considering my car weighs 3000 lbs, can get traction from any roll, and has WELL over 600whp.. i am not seeing any reasoning behind why you don't think i can beat a 750.

If your car really weighs 3000lbs, you can get traction from any roll and have "well" over 600rwhp, you are definately capable of beating a gixxer 750.

i think you guys have misunderstood my post. I HAD the 100 shot, vs a STOCK 750.


And I had 502 rwhp.

:bs:My 600 dont stop pullin after 120 either. I raced a TT 03 cobra yesterday from 50ish-140. He got the jump and my front wheel stayed at his rear wheel all the way throughout the race. I think with an even jump we would have stayed completely even the whole time. I have a scorpion shorty pipe and a commander with no tune by the way.

I guess it was the simple fact that this guy was one hell of a rider!

I guess it was the simple fact that this guy was one hell of a rider!

more like rider with balls, lol.

My neighbor has a gsxr 1000. He just hit the track with it last week. 11.2's@133. The bike just kept going verticle on him everytime he would try to get on it coming out of the hole. The guy doesn't have lots of track experiance mostly street.

Wow another bike versus car thread and it has only been one week...lol

600's can be beat but not without some serious power if you are racing someone that knows how to ride.

My 2003 ZX6R didnt quit pulling at 120 either, actually it topped out at 161 after all of the mods and with the speedo calibrated. Ran a 11.12 at 136 as well.

My 2005 ZX10R pulls all the way up to and past 180 with no problems, main thing is the airstream is hard to stay out of and not get buffetted while riding it that fast. It runs in the mid 10's at high 140's with no issues as well.

The thing that makes this hear all of the time is we are talking about a bunch of car people trying to talk about bikes they ran and they dont know for sure what kind of bike it was because alot of the newer bikes look alot alike.

I could set a 05 ZX6R next to a 05 ZX10r and most of you would think it is the same bike. Same thing goes for the Suzuki lineup and the Yamaha and Honda lineup. All of the bike for each manufacture look really close and when you are on the road it makes it even harder to notice which one it is then.

Wow another bike versus car thread and it has only been one week...lol

600's can be beat but not without some serious power if you are racing someone that knows how to ride.

My 2003 ZX6R didnt quit pulling at 120 either, actually it topped out at 161 after all of the mods and with the speedo calibrated. Ran a 11.12 at 136 as well.

My 2005 ZX10R pulls all the way up to and past 180 with no problems, main thing is the airstream is hard to stay out of and not get buffetted while riding it that fast. It runs in the mid 10's at high 140's with no issues as well.

The thing that makes this hear all of the time is we are talking about a bunch of car people trying to talk about bikes they ran and they dont know for sure what kind of bike it was because alot of the newer bikes look alot alike.

I could set a 05 ZX6R next to a 05 ZX10r and most of you would think it is the same bike. Same thing goes for the Suzuki lineup and the Yamaha and Honda lineup. All of the bike for each manufacture look really close and when you are on the road it makes it even harder to notice which one it is then.


Hhhmmmmmm.............So what do you think it would take for a car to beat a 05 GXR1000?

Hhhmmmmmm.............So what do you think it would take for a car to beat a 05 GXR1000?


a hemi... or a civic with NOS floormats.

Wow another bike versus car thread and it has only been one week...lol

600's can be beat but not without some serious power if you are racing someone that knows how to ride.

My 2003 ZX6R didnt quit pulling at 120 either, actually it topped out at 161 after all of the mods and with the speedo calibrated. Ran a 11.12 at 136 as well.

My 2005 ZX10R pulls all the way up to and past 180 with no problems, main thing is the airstream is hard to stay out of and not get buffetted while riding it that fast. It runs in the mid 10's at high 140's with no issues as well.

The thing that makes this hear all of the time is we are talking about a bunch of car people trying to talk about bikes they ran and they dont know for sure what kind of bike it was because alot of the newer bikes look alot alike.

I could set a 05 ZX6R next to a 05 ZX10r and most of you would think it is the same bike. Same thing goes for the Suzuki lineup and the Yamaha and Honda lineup. All of the bike for each manufacture look really close and when you are on the road it makes it even harder to notice which one it is then.

your mph was 136 with a kawi 636...i find that very hard to believe...was it on the bottle....i believe the e.t. that makes sense not the mph...with that mph you should be well into the 10's

i mean my old ass 95 zx6r with full pipe, -1 tooth, strapped, jetted, ignition kit ran a 11.30 at 120mph with a slipping clutch...are you sure the mph wasn't 127ish

your mph was 136 with a kawi 636...i find that very hard to believe...was it on the bottle....i believe the e.t. that makes sense not the mph...with that mph you should be well into the 10's

i mean my old ass 95 zx6r with full pipe, -1 tooth, strapped, jetted, ignition kit ran a 11.30 at 120mph with a slipping clutch...are you sure the mph wasn't 127ish
Well there is a HUGE difference between a 636 ZX6-R and a 12 year old ZX6-R I would imagine, even with the stuff you had done. But 136 still seems a WEE bit fast for a stock 636.

Well there is a HUGE difference between a 636 ZX6-R and a 12 year old ZX6-R I would imagine, even with the stuff you had done. But 136 still seems a WEE bit fast for a stock 636.

yeah obviously bud fuel injection for one... :bang: damn carbs...my point is my buddy has a 05 honda 600rr and he ran multiple times at the track pulling 11.00's at 127 best mph...actually it was pretty funny he couldn't get a 10 second run for anything...His bike was also 100% stock, height included, like you get it off the showroom floor...he weighs the same as me 155lbs...

The GENERAL rule, not including riders abilities is 500rwhp to run with a stock NEWER 600. Or at least that's what i've heard.

MY LS1 is bolt-ons and my 02 CBR600F4i just has a slip-on. My bike is 100x faster than my car. Evenafter riding in a friends 402awhp STi and another buddies cammed 430rwhp LS1. There is no way EITHER of these cars would either come close. The bike goes 70mph in first gear and takes NO time gettin there. And F4is are "slower" compared to other 600s

Hhhmmmmmm.............So what do you think it would take for a car to beat a 05 GXR1000?

My good buddy has a GSXR1000 and ran a 10.0 at 149 completely stock, and only in 4th gear. He's topped it out in 6th too. Now he has exhaust, tune, and a couple other things I'm not sure of. I won't even ride his bike anymore

Did I say my 636 wasstock, nope. It was +3 on the rear and had a full system with a custom map and made 110rwhp.

I have plenty of slips over the 130 mark, heck most of the time I was outrunning literbikes at the track because they cant get out of the hole as fast as I could. I was cutting 1.8 60 foots as well.

You are comparing a 95 versus a 03. That is almost a 20rwhp difference in years.

As far as out running a 05 Gixxer 1000 you are going to need alot. They are very compariable to my ZX10R in hp and weight. Their 1st gear goes to about 110mph, they make more of their power down low versus my 10 which makes more power up on top.

The normal 60mph roll would put a good rider in 1st on the bike and as long as he can keep the front end down would put them right into the middle of the powerband for the bike. You had better hook and have alot of power on tap or pray that you got a inexpierenced rider cause they are prob going to walk you.

I walked on a Porsche, Ferrari, Lamboguini Muercilago, and a Cobra that was putting 475ish down with no problems.

Hhhmmmmmm.............So what do you think it would take for a car to beat a 05 GXR1000?

I would say at least 700-800rwhp.

I would say at least 700-800rwhp.


I believe less than that.

I believe less than that.

LOL you won't be trapping 150 with less than 700 whp unless the car is super light.

its not the horsepower that matters... its the HP/weight ratio... that is what makes street bikes soo fast....

how much do liter bikes weigh with a 200lb rider? 650?
and they make about 150 hp at the motor... thats 4 1/3 pounds per HP

these were stats from the 2007 R1...

a 3400lb race weight car with 775 hp thats 4.388 pounds per HP..

that will give you a general idea...

the closer to 1 that number is the faster...

I held pretty good w 2 600 sport bikes w a 440 rwhp c5yep i can even pull em. my bud had a 04 cobra(440rwhp) and pulled a 600 with me in it....thats over 4k raceweight!

yep i can even pull em. my bud had a 04 cobra(440rwhp) and pulled a 600 with me in it....thats over 4k raceweight!
Bike driver must not have known how to ride, haha.

Bike driver must not have known how to ride, haha.

Def not. 440hp is not enough to take a good rider on a newer 600

Dude you are an assclown! I have beaten the shit out of 05 GXR750's with a good rider with 502 rwhp. Dude should walk the 600 easily if you get traction.

Maybe if the rider weighed over 250lbs. With 502rwhp you wouldn't have touched me on my old 05 600. Thats a big hell no there buddy.

I believe less than that.

:jest: My 1000 when it was stock walked the hell out of a 02 Z06 TT making 700rwhp. And just to see if it was the driver I drove the car the next time and had my friend that owns a 750 ride my bike. Same outcome.

Also him on his 04 750 Gixxer (which was stock) ran right next to a single turbo Supra making around 750rwhp on low boost with the Supra barely edging him out at higher speeds. I was following in my MR2 turbo (well trying to follow anyways).

When I had my 05 600 (it had nothing but a slip on Yoshi) I ran a yellow 03 Cobra (95killa or something like that on SVT Performance) with pulley, exhaust, blah blah which ran 93mph in the 1/8th I believe. He read on SVTP about all these 600 bike kills and figured he would try me on the way back from the track from about a 60mph roll. Needless to say it was ugly and I put many many carlengths on him and there was no "wall" at 120mph for my bike. I had the speedo sunk at 183mph. (which was probably around 155mph or something I guess)

Maybe if the rider weighed over 250lbs. With 502rwhp you wouldn't have touched me on my old 05 600. Thats a big hell no there buddy.


:jest: What ever. I have done it several times in that car and make a regular practice of abusing biker egos in the current one.

most 600cc bikes make what 110rwhp stock @ 615lbs for a race weight?
thats 5.59 pounds per HP...

3400lb car @ 610rwhp is 5.57 lbs per hp.....

i dont see why guys think bikes are untouchable.... hell yeah they are fast.... but race cars that some times prowl the street weight in at an average at 3250 race weight coulb be packing 700rwhp... which isnt soo far fetched.... now im sure bike guys and car guys lie about both ends... but lets face it when these guys race who knows whos telling the truth about there modifications or not....

Hell every bike rider out there is a sucky ass rider from what I have seen on here. Only good riders race on the interweb!LOL

Ah who cares, some of you guys are stuck in la la land. If anyone wants to try a bike for real with their car, let me know.

Ah who cares, some of you guys are stuck in la la land. If anyone wants to try a bike for real with their car, let me know.

im not in la la land :) ... i gave you the facts... lbs/HP :judge:

Ibtl!!!

most 600cc bikes make what 110rwhp stock @ 615lbs for a race weight?
thats 5.59 pounds per HP...

3400lb car @ 610rwhp is 5.57 lbs per hp.....

i dont see why guys think bikes are untouchable.... hell yeah they are fast.... but race cars that some times prowl the street weight in at an average at 3250 race weight coulb be packing 700rwhp... which isnt soo far fetched.... now im sure bike guys and car guys lie about both ends... but lets face it when these guys race who knows whos telling the truth about there modifications or not....

Must be a pretty heavy rider at 615lbs on a 600cc bike. Mine weighs 355+ my 190 and even add +15lbs of leathers/helmet if you want which equals out to 560lbs, and then goes to 5.09 pounds per HP. 55lbs is alot on a bike. I ran a 450ish RWHP GT not even a week ago and it wasnt even close, he's had the car for years and I've had this new bike for months. I love my car, bikes are just a different world altogether.

Most people haven't ridden on newer bikes so that's why they think that way. I was the same way until I started riding my roommates 750 and my buddies 1000 that I won't get on anymore. I'm a cruiser guy myself, but todays bikes are just mean

Only fantasy land around here is the fact so many bike guys believe it is impossible. And when they read about thier percieved impossability happening, they either call BS or say the guy couldn't ride. I have beat several bikes new and old, 600cc to the liter bikes, with less power than I have now. Hell I have posted videos of me doing it.
I have raced friends that own bikes, so there fore are a know quantity. I have raced bikes I sure as hell had no idea WTF they were also. It isn't that hard with a high power, good hooking car. As for guys that have modded thier bikes and want to say race me, sure no problem. Come on down! Win loose I give a fuck.
I guess what I am trying to say is there are more factors than just str8 HP to weight, and driver that allow for a car to win a race with a bike.

You beat liter bikes with less than 555rwhp? They must have been included in that "sure as hell had no idea WTF they were" group :eyes:

You beat liter bikes with less than 555rwhp? They must have been included in that "sure as hell had no idea WTF they were" group :eyes:

No they fall in the less than the amount I currently spray group. I have beat a 05 GXR1k, which was a buddy of mine with my NA numbers I have now. I took 2 of 5 with one dead even. We went from a 10-15mph roll to the top of my top end which would be 130ish.
I know him to be a decent rider. He had his bike over a year. He did have problems keeping his front end down. But when he did win it wasn't by more than a bike. Hell I even posted the video.

No they fall in the less than the amount I currently spray group. I have beat a 05 GXR1k, which was a buddy of mine with my NA numbers I have now. I took 2 of 5 with one dead even. We went from a 10-15mph roll to the top of my top end which would be 130ish.
I know him to be a decent rider. He had his bike over a year. He did have problems keeping his front end down. But when he did win it wasn't by more than a bike. Hell I even posted the video.

My good buddy has a GSXR1000 and ran a 10.0 at 149 completely stock, and only in 4th gear. He's topped it out in 6th too. Now he has exhaust, tune, and a couple other things I'm not sure of. I won't even ride his bike anymore

What do you trap NA?

I have yet to have a good time out of this current setup. I trashed my converter the very next day after racing the bike. I still managed near 128 mph and it wasn't pulling as hard at the track as it did the night before. NA she has mid 130's I would guess in her.

Well that's enough to run right with a 750... but if you're beating 1000s, we'll just leave it at "anything can happen on the street" :)

If I was lieing, people in my area would drill my ass on here. Everyone I know posts on here. Most of them were there when it happened.

I never said you were lying.

Well that's enough to run right with a 750... but if you're beating 1000s, we'll just leave it at "anything can happen on the street" :)

No kidding...thats just laughable. :judge:

No kidding...thats just laughable. :judge:


Laugh all you want interweb rider. The 1000's in my area are trapping mid 130's.

:jest: Whatever you say

:jest: Whatever you say


ALRIGHT!!!! You guys have got me. I may as well come clean. I have been BSing! Hell I don't even have he car I claim. I just run a Honda. I just am trying to be cool I guess. :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

People are calling bs but no one has seen the car, bike, or rider. If you think anyone can get on a gsxr 1k and go run a 10.0 at 149 you are crazy. that bike in question traps low to mid 130's I have seen it. If you have a car that traps mid 130's versus a bike that traps mid 130's why would you assume that the bike will win just because its a bike? The rider may not be a pro or even good, but he is experienced he's had the bike for a while.

ALRIGHT!!!! You guys have got me. I may as well come clean. I have been BSing! Hell I don't even have he car I claim. I just run a Honda. I just am trying to be cool I guess. :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

haha your honda made 555 to the front wheels right?

Must be a pretty heavy rider at 615lbs on a 600cc bike. Mine weighs 355+ my 190 and even add +15lbs of leathers/helmet if you want which equals out to 560lbs, and then goes to 5.09 pounds per HP. 55lbs is alot on a bike. I ran a 450ish RWHP GT not even a week ago and it wasnt even close, he's had the car for years and I've had this new bike for months. I love my car, bikes are just a different world altogether.

actually your bike weighs 354lbs DRY... so add 4.5 gallons of gas to that and you have 381.... so with a 200lb rider... which is average, your at 581lbs and there claim of 110hp and back around 5.28 lbs per HP

Well first off there is not a 600 or a 1000 for that matter that weighs 355 wet, that is the dry weight with no fluids meaning no gas, no oil, no battery fluid, no coolant, no brake fluid, no fork oil nothing. Wet with all fluid and full tank of gas every 600 and 1000 on the market at either at 410 to 430 for the bike and then maybe figure 180 for a rider.

Go middle of the road for the bike and that puts you right at 600 pounds.

600cc with maybe 110rwhp and 600 pounds = 5.45 pounds per hp
1000cc with maybe 155rwhp and 600 pounds = 3.87 pounds per hp

Cunfuzed maybe its time you race someone who knows how to ride. I can help you settle this seeing as I live in Oklahoma. I own a 2005 ZX10r putting down 160rwhp and also have a 2005 ZX6r 636 putting down 107rwhp at my disposal. I race out at thunder Valley and run around the Hallet track a couple of times a year.

There are no experienced liter bike owners running 130's at TV. I run 10.5's at 145 at TV. I was running 11.0's at 135 on my old bike which was a 2003 636.

I know my 10 will pull to 185 actual and the 636 in my garage will do 165 actual.

When you are ready and willing to race someone who knows how to ride let me know. If your car is that bad ass and you can bet me then fine but I just dont see you being that close with any of the newer 2004+ liter bikes on the market if they have a accomplished rider on them.

said gsxr rider was my brother, he has run 10.41@136mph w/ a 1.54" short time. he weighs in at about 215lbs...and the bike is (i should say was :jest: ) an '04 gsxr 1k

sneaky, if you are trapping 145 you should be running MUCH faster than mid 10's, our buddy here trapping 145 runs in the mid 9's on his zx-10r, so something don't add up there.

i was in my camaro as the "trail" car (i call it that because cunfuzed drove away like i wasn't racing) that got the video.

555rwhp through a th400 and 12-bolt is easily capable of mid 10's at the kind of MPH

i just love me some internet experts :jest: :jest:

hp/weight ratio play an important role, but people should remember that even todays best sportbikes have a higher drag coefficient than a new pickup truck...a car with a lb/hp ratio of 4:1 would blow a bike away, so if that's all that comes into play how can it be explained, hmm

Well, we got a local bike rider around his area, so let's see if we can set up a friendly race...

:flipbird:

My numbers add up just fine, I dont do 8000rpm drops out of the hole and stock gearing in the tranny on a ZX10r is alot different than the Gixxer 1000. Too much off the line and I just ride wheelies in 1st and 2nd all the way down the track.

My bike is under warranty as well and I really dont feel like replacing the clutch trying to be a ricky racer at the drags. I have a local friend as well that is running 9.6's on his Gixxer 1000 as well. They are alot easier bike to launch at the track versus the 10's due to the clutch design and gearing.

Assuming Cunfuzed is making 55rwhp with his car weight in the 3500-3600 range as I dont know what he drives that puts him at the 5.75-6.5 pounds per hp range. that is a far cry away from 4:1. His car would have to weigh 2200 pounds to make that kind of ratio. Even if he was driving a 3000 pound Z06 he is still at 5.40 pounds per hp.

I can gurantee you that there are few cars on the road that will outrun or out top my 10r in top speed. The only ones I can think of are the elusive and high end cars like Mclarens, Lambo's, high end Ferraris, Bugatti's, Porsches and so on.

The C6 is only able to achieve right at 190mph stock and the Z06 is right at 200. If he is running a 12bolt and TH400 gearing alon is going to limit him to maybe 150ish if he setup for the track.

I am sorry but contrary to your belief almost all 2004+ liter bikes will pull well past that with ease. I put a speedo calibrator on my bike and had it calibrated on the dyno during my custom map to make sure it was accurate to 160 for sure. I have been to 185 with GPS as well just for shits and grins.

The best outcome I can think of is his car might hang until I get into 3rd and then I am going to waev buh bye to him until I let out.

I love internet experts as well, especially ones that cant add or divide math and come up with a realistic number.

:drive:

I don't think it's going to matter what we say anymore, especially when it comes to liter bikes. I hope this race actually happens. I rode my buddies GSXR1000 up to 160, pushing hard through 2nd, 3rd, and some of 4th I believe. That was the first real fast bike I've ridden and it scared the shit out of me lol. I'm not afraid to admit it either.

I don't think it's going to matter what we say anymore, especially when it comes to liter bikes. I hope this race actually happens. I rode my buddies GSXR1000 up to 160, pushing hard through 2nd, 3rd, and some of 4th I believe. That was the first real fast bike I've ridden and it scared the shit out of me lol. I'm not afraid to admit it either.

:funny:

haha your honda made 555 to the front wheels right?


No I even rigged the dyno as well. :jest:

Well first off there is not a 600 or a 1000 for that matter that weighs 355 wet, that is the dry weight with no fluids meaning no gas, no oil, no battery fluid, no coolant, no brake fluid, no fork oil nothing. Wet with all fluid and full tank of gas every 600 and 1000 on the market at either at 410 to 430 for the bike and then maybe figure 180 for a rider.

Go middle of the road for the bike and that puts you right at 600 pounds.

600cc with maybe 110rwhp and 600 pounds = 5.45 pounds per hp
1000cc with maybe 155rwhp and 600 pounds = 3.87 pounds per hp

Cunfuzed maybe its time you race someone who knows how to ride. I can help you settle this seeing as I live in Oklahoma. I own a 2005 ZX10r putting down 160rwhp and also have a 2005 ZX6r 636 putting down 107rwhp at my disposal. I race out at thunder Valley and run around the Hallet track a couple of times a year.

There are no experienced liter bike owners running 130's at TV. I run 10.5's at 145 at TV. I was running 11.0's at 135 on my old bike which was a 2003 636.

I know my 10 will pull to 185 actual and the 636 in my garage will do 165 actual.

When you are ready and willing to race someone who knows how to ride let me know. If your car is that bad ass and you can bet me then fine but I just dont see you being that close with any of the newer 2004+ liter bikes on the market if they have a accomplished rider on them.


I will be more than happy if I make it out that way. You are 3 1/2 hours away from me. BUT!!!!! I have some local guys here in the 9's that are willing to give me a few races. I am sure rider had something to do with me beating the 1k. But, I have beaten bikes so many times I begin to wonder.
So I have lined up for your viewing pleasure a 05 Busa and a 05 GXR1000 with 188rwph and some happy gas on top. That should be ugly if I get sprayed.
Also as for your catching up to me, if I have the leed you wont. I am geared for the 1320. So it will be the first to 13X wins. I suspect 140 maybe. I have to regear the car.

Also as for your catching up to me, if I have the leed you wont. I am geared for the 1320. So it will be the first to 13X wins. I suspect 140 maybe. I have to regear the car.
No youre changing the story?

Listen,
newer 750's and 1000's run 10's.
And, they get pull to 175 Mph like nobody's business.
Do not confuse a 750 with a 600, in terms of power and top end they are close to 900's and 1000's.

Your 500hp car would have trouble against an early 90's 750, and even then I don't think you can take it.
If youre not running atleast a mid 10 with crazy top end, you don't stand a chance agains a newer bike and experieced rider.
Yes, in the 1320 you can play because of traction and gearing, but on the highway, you better have that bottle full.
I have vids of a stock Hayabusa 1300 handing a 880 HP TT Viper its ass.
I don't care what you have raced, what videos you have or whatever.
I have owned and drove streebikes all my life, my bro just sold his 2001 R1 and it takes alot of power... alteast 550+hp and good top end for a car to run with a bike... bottom line.

No youre changing the story?

Listen,
newer 750's and 1000's run 10's.
And, they get pull to 175 Mph like nobody's business.
Do not confuse a 750 with a 600, in terms of power and top end they are close to 900's and 1000's.

Your 500hp car would have trouble against an early 90's 750, and even then I don't think you can take it.
If youre not running atleast a mid 10 with crazy top end, you don't stand a chance.
I don't care what you have raced, what videos you have or whatever.
I have owned and drove streebikes all my life, my bro just sold his 2001 R1 and it takes alot of power... alteast 550+hp and good top end for a car to run with a bike... bottom line.


YOU DON"T SAY!!!!! It takes at LEAST mid 500's to compete with a bike. Well that being said WHAT THE FUCK WAS I THINKING!!!!!!!!! :321:

:flipbird: all it takes is money...

Very true.

Why is everyone so hostile over something so stupid? :jest:

My numbers add up just fine, I dont do 8000rpm drops out of the hole and stock gearing in the tranny on a ZX10r is alot different than the Gixxer 1000. Too much off the line and I just ride wheelies in 1st and 2nd all the way down the track.

My bike is under warranty as well and I really dont feel like replacing the clutch trying to be a ricky racer at the drags. I have a local friend as well that is running 9.6's on his Gixxer 1000 as well. They are alot easier bike to launch at the track versus the 10's due to the clutch design and gearing.




so, you're bike runs the same ET as said gsxr 1k, but 10mph faster trap speed...then you call my bro a bad rider??? sounds like you're the no riding mofo to me. i love all the 'excuses' (coughricercough) for why your ET's aren't up to par with the power :judge:



Why is everyone so hostile over something so stupid? :jest:

i think it's funny because i watched this whole mess go down from just a few car lengths (ok, few bus lengths) away :jest:

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE, COULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED, I MUST HAVE BEEN HALLUCINATING IT THE ENTIRE TIME...man, that was a crazy trip

you guys are missing it; confused is 555rwhp NA... he has a direct port kit on top of that... and yes if you start the roll race at 60mph it would be very likely his car can hang/beat a bike to 140..... after that ofcourse the bike will catch up and win....

you guys are missing it; confused is 555rwhp NA... he has a direct port kit on top of that... and yes if you start the roll race at 60mph it would be very likely his car can hang/beat a bike to 140..... after that ofcourse the bike will catch up and win....

NO!!! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!! IT CAN'T BE DONE!!!

:jest: :jest: :jest:

I just want to read about a race :)

Must be a pretty heavy rider at 615lbs on a 600cc bike. Mine weighs 355+ my 190 and even add +15lbs of leathers/helmet if you want which equals out to 560lbs, and then goes to 5.09 pounds per HP. 55lbs is alot on a bike. I ran a 450ish RWHP GT not even a week ago and it wasnt even close, he's had the car for years and I've had this new bike for months. I love my car, bikes are just a different world altogether.

GSX-R600 ('06) 7/06 37/43/39 109.3 @ 13,500 44.1 @ 11,750 Wet 438lb Dry 411lbs

from sportrider.com your bike is heavier than you think

Like i said already 11.00s at 135 is way off i an doing 11.30s at 120...so a good rider you are not...i still think if you are actually running 135 and even with a 2.+ 60ft you would still be in the 10's...

i agree with you KGSLOAN...nice 60ft for your brother...did he pull that 60ft without wheelie bars...best i could get on my 160mm rear stock tire and weak hp 95 zx6r was 1.70...


Well first off there is not a 600 or a 1000 for that matter that weighs 355 wet, that is the dry weight with no fluids meaning no gas, no oil, no battery fluid, no coolant, no brake fluid, no fork oil nothing. Wet with all fluid and full tank of gas every 600 and 1000 on the market at either at 410 to 430 for the bike and then maybe figure 180 for a rider.

Go middle of the road for the bike and that puts you right at 600 pounds.

600cc with maybe 110rwhp and 600 pounds = 5.45 pounds per hp
1000cc with maybe 155rwhp and 600 pounds = 3.87 pounds per hp

Cunfuzed maybe its time you race someone who knows how to ride. I can help you settle this seeing as I live in Oklahoma. I own a 2005 ZX10r putting down 160rwhp and also have a 2005 ZX6r 636 putting down 107rwhp at my disposal. I race out at thunder Valley and run around the Hallet track a couple of times a year.

There are no experienced liter bike owners running 130's at TV. I run 10.5's at 145 at TV. I was running 11.0's at 135 on my old bike which was a 2003 636.

I know my 10 will pull to 185 actual and the 636 in my garage will do 165 actual.

When you are ready and willing to race someone who knows how to ride let me know. If your car is that bad ass and you can bet me then fine but I just dont see you being that close with any of the newer 2004+ liter bikes on the market if they have a accomplished rider on them.

after that ofcourse the bike will catch up and win...

I wouldn't bet on that.

i agree with you KGSLOAN...nice 60ft for your brother...did he pull that 60ft without wheelie bars...best i could get on my 160mm rear stock tire and weak hp 95 zx6r was 1.70...

he did that with no strap, stock suspension 100%...at the time the only mod to the bike was slip on exhaust can. you just gotta slip that clutch up to around 50mph to keep the front end down :jest:

he had since added a PCIII when he raced cunfuzed, dynoed at around 158rwhp i believe.
he had bought a strap and adjustable lowering bones for the rear that he was going to try out this season to see if a 9 was possible for him...but he highsided it at hallet raceway park a few weeks ago and that was the end of that bike. :jest:

you guys are missing it; confused is 555rwhp NA... he has a direct port kit on top of that... and yes if you start the roll race at 60mph it would be very likely his car can hang/beat a bike to 140..... after that ofcourse the bike will catch up and win....

Very true.

KGSLOAN you and I where smoking from the same blunt it seems. :jest:

I wouldn't bet on that.


I would. I run out of gear around there on 28's. And I top out a 118 on my pimp wheels.

GSX-R600 ('06) 7/06 37/43/39 109.3 @ 13,500 44.1 @ 11,750 Wet 438lb Dry 411lbs

from sportrider.com your bike is heavier than you think

What the heck are you looking at? Dry 411lbs? This is STRAIGHT from sportrider.com.
Dry mass: ............................................161 kg (354 lbs)

And here is the page with that information it, you must have been looking at the page where riders put what they THINK their bike weighs when they dyno it. Hell on that page sometimes they say a '750 weighs 40lbs less than a '600. I have the factory manual right here that reads the same as what I just posted above.
http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_2006_suzuki_gsx_r600/specifications.html

http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_weights_measurements/index8.html

there is the link it says the dry weight was measuring without gas...doesn't really matter anyways what the dry weight is...wet is all that is important...so who really cares what it weights without fluids...like measuring the raceweight of my car with no radiator fluid, trans fluid, rear gear fluid, gas, oil, battery...it is all marketing anyways to get you to buy the bike...

What the heck are you looking at? Dry 411lbs? This is STRAIGHT from sportrider.com.
Dry mass: ............................................161 kg (354 lbs)

And here is the page with that information it, you must have been looking at the page where riders put what they THINK their bike weighs when they dyno it. Hell on that page sometimes they say a '750 weighs 40lbs less than a '600. I have the factory manual right here that reads the same as what I just posted above.
http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_2006_suzuki_gsx_r600/specifications.html

said gsxr rider was my brother, he has run 10.41@136mph w/ a 1.54" short time. he weighs in at about 215lbs...and the bike is (i should say was :jest: ) an '04 gsxr 1k

sneaky, if you are trapping 145 you should be running MUCH faster than mid 10's, our buddy here trapping 145 runs in the mid 9's on his zx-10r, so something don't add up there.

i was in my camaro as the "trail" car (i call it that because cunfuzed drove away like i wasn't racing) that got the video.

555rwhp through a th400 and 12-bolt is easily capable of mid 10's at the kind of MPH

i just love me some internet experts :jest: :jest:

hp/weight ratio play an important role, but people should remember that even todays best sportbikes have a higher drag coefficient than a new pickup truck...a car with a lb/hp ratio of 4:1 would blow a bike away, so if that's all that comes into play how can it be explained, hmm


During our last battle of the cities there was a guy on an 05 zx-10 going 10.6x @ 130...

i had a 2003 honda 600rr it had a slip and i ran a 04 350z twin turbo,he made 430rwhp on a dyno jet. whe ran 3 races , first race was from a 40 kick and i pulled him about 5 cars at that speed i was in first gear,we race from a 80 kick which i was in 3rd pulled him about 3 cars, then we raced from a 100 kick which i started behind him. I went from behind him to about a 1/2 in front of him up to 160mph. a 600 will stop pulling hard around 145mph. from a slow roll the guys does not have a chance if the guy on the motorcycle is a good rider

most 600cc bikes make what 110rwhp stock @ 615lbs for a race weight?
thats 5.59 pounds per HP...

Newer 600's have gone anorexic weighing in the 350lb range dry. Even wet a 615lb race weight would have to come from heavy ass rider.

http://www.yamahabike.net/2006YZF-R6.php
http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/suzuki_gsx-r_600_2007.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CBR600RR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Ninja_ZX-6R