Project Comments & Discussion - W2W 1993 Camaro Build

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I'm liking the car and been looking forward to updates. I'm particuarly interested in the rear suspension. You said it was going to be a 4 link car. I was envisioning something completely different. Can you explain how this watts link works, what is involved in installing it, and what the advantages of using a system like this are? I've never seen anything like this before and want to learn more about it.

It is now a 3 link rear suspension. The 4 link was changed because of the customers needs, drag and roadrace type track days. The 4 link would have bound up the rear end, not allowing body roll. That would be good when he was drag racing but when cornering the car would have wanted to go straight when he pushed it. This system allows body roll and will give him the best compromise so the car can have dual use.
The watts link just centers the car without deflection or side to side motion, even under severe lateral loads when your out on the track trying to be Boris Said! The center pivot is connected to the chassis and rides on bearings sitting vertical in the car. If the links are off you can spin this like a propeller, and it is very smooth on bearings. One link runs above the pivot centerline and one runs below, connecting to the rear axle on fabricated brackets. This is more roadrace type hardware, but we are bringing it to the street. The car will have a quick disconnect front sway bar as well as a quick disconnect rear anti roll bar. By connecting the front bar and adjusting the shocks, cornering will be good. Then unhook the front and connect the back, change shock settings and tires, and you are off to the dragstrip. This is what the customer wanted, a dual purpose car.


Kurt

the level of work you guys put out is absolutely amazing,
the only thing i can think of though is that beating on one of your finished products would be like throwing darts at the mona lisa.........

Thanks for the good words. I do feel bad about driving hard in a new car thats clean/fresh paint, right up until I start it. Thats when my smile is connected to the gas pedal, and I like to smile!


Kurt

I loved the attention to detail this car has so far you guys have covered just about everything. Great job.
Jeff

Car is looking awesome Kurt....A little bit different than the original plan, but awesome for sure! I bet Jeff is excited to see it coming together. So will he pick it up? Or is it going to spend the winter there and get the new engine and F1? :D

Whitey just finished hooking the LT1 to the mufflers, so I think that powertrain is staying in for awhile! The car looks evil sitting on the ground, you would approve I'm sure!!


Kurt

WOW very nice custom work

Thanks 95GreenZ28, your name resembles this car!!


KurtWOW very nice custom work

Meh. It's OK, I 'spose. If you're in to that sort of thing.


*dives for cover*

very nice

just had a look at the pics and update-

thats top notch work

very very nice-

should go really good-

Meh. It's OK, I 'spose. If you're in to that sort of thing.



:gtfo:

how much is this estimated to cost him?

One arm and one leg.

The car is a ongoing project and would be far from a "budget build", but I don't have numbers as it was done in stages.

Kurt

just to do the quarters is about 8000 and that doesnt include the tub work and tin work in the back. it takes about 100 hours according to the body shop manager over there.

Is that it??? That is just about the coolest thing i have seen.

thats 8000 well spent in my book those quarters look so bad ass!!! I wish I had the money to do that to my car. I would love a widebody ss. Your car is soooo saawweeeet!

Whatever happened to this car?

Good q...didn't W2W go out of business?

I was JUST thinking about this car yesterday....wondering what ever happened with it.

It is still here in Michigan. Same people working on it, just not at W2W.

Kurt

Thanks for the update Kurt :) Any new pictures that you could post for us?

Jason

W2W is out of business?

from what i heard w2w went out of business, but the main players there are working under the new name motorcityspeed. michigan has been in the tank for so long now, most performance shops can barely stay open, the only ones that are really around are ones that do a lot of regular maintenance work in addition to performance stuff. the big shops just dont have enough work to meet their overhead.

Do they have a website yet?

motorcityspeedonline.com

No new pictures as of yet, might be some available in the future. The car fabrication is getting finished by Denny Dera at his own shop, then it will get a twin turbo LS engine installed with Dera headers and intercooling plumbing I would guess.
Motorcityspeed I believe is Billy Brigg's new shop, it has engine and chassis dyno's getting installed. Billy was our engine build leader, Rich Gala is going to work on the dyno's, he was our retail tuner at W2W. One of the tech's that did part installs and engine changes is also working out of that shop (Jim Bell).

Kurt

Thanks for the update Kurt! Glad to see that you guys are up and rocking with a good team behind you.

Please keep us posted on the car's progress with pictures if you get a chance. I know alot of us are following this build up!

Thanks again
Jason

I am running my own little shop with the only W2W ex being Willy our lathe and mill guy. I need him to keep producing the custom parts I need on special engines!


Kurt