Dynamometer Results & Comparisons - 346 Cam Only made 449.8RWHP

Well we bought the street car and took all of the old parts from our race car and put them on a new engine. Here is our setup.

STOCK LS1 Cylinder Heads w/dual valve springs stock valves
346CI LS1 engine rebuilt by HK Enterprises
244/250 @ 110 LSA (Our old cam only cam)
Kooks 1 7/8" Headers
Cut Out
Whisper Exhaust
Fast 90MM Intake
NW 90MM Throttle Body
Stock Air Induction
Speed Density Tune
6 Speed GTO Transmission
Spec 4 Clutch
Stock Rear End w/stock gears

This was this morning with the temperature at 93 degrees, BP 29.98 and the humidity was about 75%. Pretty good for a 346 with stock ls1 heads and just a happy little cam.

how is that "CAM ONLY" when you have headers, FAST 90/90 intake, etc...you have added bolt-ons which no longer makes it CAM ONLY...

CAM ONLY means doing what i did before anything else (intake, heads, headers, etc), i installed a cam and supporting valvetrain upgrades and went from 325rwhp/330rwtq to 350rwhp/344rwtq respectively...

BTW, the cam is a tiny Comp 224/224 .581/.581 @112lsa

none the less (sigh), good #'s...

nice job guys.these 346's continue to amaze me.

how is that "CAM ONLY" when you have headers, FAST 90/90 intake, etc...you have added bolt-ons which no longer makes it CAM ONLY...

CAM ONLY means doing what i did before anything else (intake, heads, headers, etc), i installed a cam and supporting valvetrain upgrades and went from 325rwhp/330rwtq to 350rwhp/344rwtq respectively...

BTW, the cam is a tiny Comp 224/224 .581/.581 @112lsa

none the less (sigh), good #'s...Relax, on this site, cam-only refers to stock internals with the exception of the cam. The bolt-ons (headers, intake etc) are part of a bolt-on configuration. Joe and Amber are not trying to mislead anyone. Great power guys, especially for such a "mild" stick. :jest:

how is the car to drive

how is that "CAM ONLY" when you have headers, FAST 90/90 intake, etc...you have added bolt-ons which no longer makes it CAM ONLY...

CAM ONLY means doing what i did before anything else (intake, heads, headers, etc), i installed a cam and supporting valvetrain upgrades and went from 325rwhp/330rwtq to 350rwhp/344rwtq respectively...

BTW, the cam is a tiny Comp 224/224 .581/.581 @112lsa

none the less (sigh), good #'s...

That is defentially not the right way to do things. Unless doing a cheeter cam or something alone that line you would want to do the supporting mods before or during the cam install.
What you did would be similar to doing gears and a 4000 stall and keeping the stock 245 tires on the car.
Not saying it can't work but it isn't the best direction to choose.

Relax, on this site, cam-only refers to stock internals with the exception of the cam. The bolt-ons (headers, intake etc) are part of a bolt-on configuration. Joe and Amber are not trying to mislead anyone. Great power guys, especially for such a "mild" stick. :jest:

I'm relaxed but it was/has never been explained to me as stock internals only. I was told that once you started adding bolt-ons then that nulls the 'cam only' results. open to interpration, and can see where that could be misleading...

Also, I never ment for my words to come across as them misleading anyone, just looking for info/explaination/definition of what cam only means, and now i know. took it a little to literally, my bad. but i have to say i really did do a 'cam only' way to modding my car...:lol:

That is defentially not the right way to do things. Unless doing a cheeter cam or something alone that line you would want to do the supporting mods before or during the cam install.
What you did would be similar to doing gears and a 4000 stall and keeping the stock 245 tires on the car.
Not saying it can't work but it isn't the best direction to choose.


true, but it's given me a lot of knowledge along the way. something my old LT1 car never did...:lol:

Why would anyone be cam only literally?Come on now.

Why would anyone be cam only literally?Come on now.

well, if you would have read above before making your comment, i explained myself and where i was coming from...:nono:

but thank you for your valued opinion/comment fellow Ls1tech brethern...

whats the lift on that cam?? Can you post the graph?

i agree somewhat with what the other guys said of "How is this cam only??"

I agree with it NOT being a cam only because of the FAST 90 intake and NW 90 TB and the speed density tune.. (no maf), and a cut out (headers are pretty much a necessity with ANY mod on these cars so im not counting that)

... so.. its a PARTIAL cam only...in my opinion.. because the only thing left to change would be the heads and CI of the short bock.. to me thats not a cam only..

nice #'s though

Wow...just wow. I have never seen anybody else on tech post a cam only graph and get yelled at for having bolt ons. Hahahaha seriously guys do you ever check the site? Search for cam only and you'll get about 1000 matches with guys who all have bolt ons.

Who would only do a cam? Seriously?

Marty

thats awsome!!!! congrats to you all.

when do you plan on hitting the track?

almost identical to my setup cept for the stock rear. i love the gto trans. shifting into 4th before the 1/8 and running it out through the traps!!

good luck.
brandon

what was the tq #s?

he almost made 450rwhp on stock heads...stop crying and Congratulate him!

That's like saying a lid or the valvesprings means it's not cam only...OMG did he change the head gaskets...that's just crazyness!

nice setup! :)

Cam-only pretty much means you don't have heads or any other "internal" work done such as new pistons, rods, crank etc etc. When you do internal work to a car, (ie cam) Bolt-ons are pretty much a given to support the internals, otherwise your pretty much throwing away the true potential of the cam. One exception might be the Cheater cam as I think it's designed to work with the stock manifolds.

Joe and Amber have the world's quickest M6 LS1 car... I think they know what they're doing...

Cam only means they still have stock heads...where have you guys been hiding under a rock

It says rebuilt motor, is it just stock internals and stock compression etc?? Very nice numbers none the less.

I'll let Joe post the graph as I suck at that. Not it is not stock internals as I posted it was a built 346 by HKE. We tried to make this just like our record car but when the engine blew after we bought it I wasn't about to put a stocker back in. It is an eagle rotating assembly but stock cubic inches.

This isn't for the cam only record as we still hold that at 472rwhp on our orange car. That car was STOCK Internal's with STOCK LS1 heads.

I just thought the numbers were amazing since it had stock ls1 heads untouched and is a heavy ass street car.

Now comes the good mods:) Heads, NITROUS, 9" and Gears here we come. I finally get my own race car:)

Amber

385rwtq. It made way more than our orange car did.

Cam-only pretty much means you don't have heads or any other "internal" work done such as new pistons, rods, crank etc etc. When you do internal work to a car, (ie cam) Bolt-ons are pretty much a given to support the internals, otherwise your pretty much throwing away the true potential of the cam. One exception might be the Cheater cam as I think it's designed to work with the stock manifolds.
Agreed

Amber what did the orange car put down for tq?


how do you like te MN12?


thanks
brandon

Amber-

thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. Thanks to the others who also took the time to answer my questions and helping to inform me by clearing up some misinformation that i had... :)

as i said in my original post. nice #'s for that setup...

for the rest of you, glad to be 'freshmeat' for ya... :eyes: :nono:

Was that with the stock lid??? :eek2:

Was that with the stock lid??? :eek2:

Of course, its cam only! :jest:

Cant wait to see what the graph looks like.

great cam-only numbers, also waiting on graph.

LOL at this thread.

Nice numbers sixspeed!

lmfao at this thread. hilarious.

I dont like the MN12 as I think the regular M6 drove better. Joe likes it. The orange car put down something around 377rwtq. Since we didn't have a lid on hand yes that was with the stock lid.

Amber

Amber what did the orange car put down for tq?


how do you like te MN12?


thanks
brandon


Brandon, your car is insane. What boltons did you have on stock internals? So you gained over 100hp and over 50tq with just a cam?

sick cam only numbers bro!! What is the record anyway?

This is an interesting thread. I look forward to seeing the graph and hearing more. What are you revving it to?

These "cam only" posts are hilarious.

Brandon, your car is insane. What boltons did you have on stock internals? So you gained over 100hp and over 50tq with just a cam?

check my cardomain site in sig for the bolt ons. every bolt on except an EWP.

yeah gained that from a cam and tuning.


-brandon

Now comes the good mods:) Heads, NITROUS, 9" and Gears here we come. I finally get my own race car:)

Amber

haha that's awesome. Go get'em Amber.

This isn't for the cam only record as we still hold that at 472rwhp on our orange car. That car was STOCK Internal's with STOCK LS1 heads.



Enjoy the record while you have it... Ported fast 90 and cutout go on just in time for a nice September dyno pull.... Might even go EWP if I have to. :)
The record will fall.

Enjoy the record while you have it... Ported fast 90 and cutout go on just in time for a nice September dyno pull.... Might even go EWP if I have to. :)
The record will fall.
lol, what a prick

im sure at least they know their valve clearance :)

Enjoy the record while you have it... Ported fast 90 and cutout go on just in time for a nice September dyno pull.... Might even go EWP if I have to. :)
The record will fall.

Line up next to them at the track. :jest:

lol, what a prick

im sure at least they know their valve clearance :)

Did you even have to check the P/V clearance on that pencil of a cam your running? :)

I am in a position with the right parts to make a run at 470+ rwhp. I am not in a position to run their cam only times.... it would look like prison rape.

There is no touching the cars in this camp, they haul ace.

LOL @ all the haters.

Congrats on the numbers Joe and Amber, I am sure the car is going to be a beast. So which one of you all will be running this car at the track?

Did you even have to check the P/V clearance on that pencil of a cam your running? :)
you gotta have a donkey dick cam to be cool now or what?

I am in a position with the right parts to make a run at 470+ rwhp. I am not in a position to run their cam only times.... it would look like prison rape.

There is no touching the cars in this camp, they haul ace.
it just came off pretty shitty the way you said that, no props for them or anything.

Im sure we'll see their track times soon and those will prob be more impressive

calm down people you all make decent power- stop trying to start wars over who makes the most power- jeez :jest:

calm down people you all make decent power- stop trying to start wars over who makes the most power- jeez :jest:
noone's trying to start a war, didnt you see the smiley icons? :jest:

No shit.

Did you even have to check the P/V clearance on that pencil of a cam your running? :)

I am in a position with the right parts to make a run at 470+ rwhp. I am not in a position to run their cam only times.... it would look like prison rape.

There is no touching the cars in this camp, they haul ace.

im confused... what do dyno #s mean if u cant back them up at the track? :confused:


also.... still waiting on a dyno graph :)

you gotta have a donkey dick cam to be cool now or what?


I like that, 240+ cams are hereby forever known as "Donkey Dicks" :chug:

it just came off pretty shitty the way you said that, no props for them or anything.

I forgot the smilies. No hard feelings. His company was very helpful when I broke my trans 2 months ago. :bang:

I like that, 240+ cams are hereby forever known as "Donkey Dicks" :chug:

on stock heads and cubes, thats a big fucking cam. certainly qualifies as "donkey dick" size in most peoples opinion.

I forgot the smilies. No hard feelings. His company was very helpful when I broke my trans 2 months ago. :bang:
Six Speeds Inc are good guys and gals

If you weld a catback on does that mean that your car is no longer bolt-ons only?

And nice number.

If you weld a catback on does that mean that your car is no longer bolt-ons only?

And nice number.
everyone knows that would make it a weld on car :lol:

[QUOTE=SSwt00SS]i installed a cam and supporting valvetrain upgrades and went from 325rwhp/330rwtq to 350rwhp/344rwtq respectively...

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ouch i did 348hp and 365tq with gutted cats and a lid :judge:

dyno's are dyno's... with out brake specific numbers a dyno is just a tool to tune... you need to get air/fuel comsumption numbers to say how much HP your making... i dont really like dyno's to be used for HP figures unless you have brake specific numbers...

dyno's are dyno's... with out brake specific numbers a dyno is just a tool to tune... you need to get air/fuel comsumption numbers to say how much HP your making... i dont really like dyno's to be used for HP figures unless you have brake specific numbers...

I think dyno numbers for record purposes should all be run off the same damn dyno.

I think dyno numbers for record purposes should all be run off the same damn dyno.
Translation
"All virtual e-cock contests should use the same vitual ruler"

Think theres any more power available with a carb style intake like the victor jr?

:DEnjoy the record while you have it... Ported fast 90 and cutout go on just in time for a nice September dyno pull.... Might even go EWP if I have to. :)
The record will fall.

so hows that coming?

congrats on the the numbers sick ass power out of a cam only 346

I'll let Joe post the graph as I suck at that. Not it is not stock internals as I posted it was a built 346 by HKE. We tried to make this just like our record car but when the engine blew after we bought it I wasn't about to put a stocker back in. It is an eagle rotating assembly but stock cubic inches.

This isn't for the cam only record as we still hold that at 472rwhp on our orange car. That car was STOCK Internal's with STOCK LS1 heads.

I just thought the numbers were amazing since it had stock ls1 heads untouched and is a heavy ass street car.

Now comes the good mods:) Heads, NITROUS, 9" and Gears here we come. I finally get my own race car:)

Amber


How big was that Cam ?

in the 25x/26x?

How big was that Cam ?

in the 25x/26x?

244/250 110lsa

I thought this was LS1.com for a second :jest:

:D

so hows that coming?

He sold the car, so I would guess he will not be setting a new record.

I'm relaxed but it was/has never been explained to me as stock internals only. I was told that once you started adding bolt-ons then that nulls the 'cam only' results. open to interpration, and can see where that could be misleading...







bolt ons and cam=cam only bud...its just how it is

bad ass numbers

congrats dude

I agree cam only is stock heads but when the bottom end is rebuilt is where i think it becomes not "cam only". I could rebuild my bottom end and add some hp with light pistons that have valve relief that increase C/R + get another .1 of displacement.

serious power from a proper built and spec'd combination from a 346ci:D
that cam would rock in a 6.0 based motor with even ls6 heads