Paint & Body Work - single vs tri-stage paint???




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nickx07
07-14-2007, 07:22 PM
i have a black camaro with a few nics and scratches that i want to touch up. considering its going to be a "street car" not a "show car" on a budget, would it matter if i used single stage black paint vs the tri-stage black? i can imagine that i would have to feather the car really good to blend it with the stock paint but does it matter when blending?

thanks,
nick


6SSPEED
07-14-2007, 08:20 PM
yea ur car is black witch means its a 2 stage paint (black basecoat-clearcoat) dont waste ur money and time on single stage. o i'm a bodyman by the way. are u gonna repaint the intire car or what?

nickx07
07-14-2007, 10:38 PM
oohh my bad. the black is a base coat/clear coat. and no i am not repainting the whole car just various scratches and nics on the car.


Pro-Mo
07-14-2007, 11:16 PM
Dont waste your time with single stage, especially black.

6SSPEED
07-15-2007, 12:15 AM
are u gonna do it urself or pay? and what are u skills?

davidfre21
07-15-2007, 12:05 PM
Dont waste your time with single stage, especially black.
and why is that? Last time i checked i couldnt tell the difference and considering you can top coat it with clear, it definately seems like its the more cost effective way to go.

And instead of painting where the scratches/chips are. Repaint the whole panel vs trying to blend with it.

nickx07
07-15-2007, 05:19 PM
are u gonna do it urself or pay? and what are u skills?

i want to attempt to do it myself. for body work skills i have some body shaping with bondo on the roof of a 3rd gen until my dad sold it. as for paint i have no skills. most of the scratches are on the sides (doors and quarter pannels). i hope i can get some advice from other body shops around the island.

the car was in an a fender bender so the whole front end also has to be shaped/painted. i want to tackel this myself to save on labor charges, also student budget. i can imagine a hell lot of bondo to shape the front end and those cans combined with primer can be expensive. so i want to try and save money... would the single stage work out for the fenders, hood and front end since i am basicly doing the whole job of shaping to painting? what about the doors and quarters, could it blend in easily?

6SSPEED
07-16-2007, 05:23 PM
it'll save u money in the long run to just save up ur cash and pay someone to do it trust me

davidfre21
07-16-2007, 09:58 PM
i want to attempt to do it myself. for body work skills i have some body shaping with bondo on the roof of a 3rd gen until my dad sold it. as for paint i have no skills. most of the scratches are on the sides (doors and quarter pannels). i hope i can get some advice from other body shops around the island.

the car was in an a fender bender so the whole front end also has to be shaped/painted. i want to tackel this myself to save on labor charges, also student budget. i can imagine a hell lot of bondo to shape the front end and those cans combined with primer can be expensive. so i want to try and save money... would the single stage work out for the fenders, hood and front end since i am basicly doing the whole job of shaping to painting? what about the doors and quarters, could it blend in easily?
single stage is like half the price of base coat and doesnt need clear to be glossy saving more money there. Now with black you dont need to blend, put two black panels next to each other and they look the same. Prep for a single stage paint job is also a lot easier and cheaper than prepping for base

6SSPEED
07-17-2007, 10:55 PM
^^^^ no no no prep for single or base/clear should be the same and yes u will have to blend to make it perfect. yes with a single stand u wont have to blend because u cant youll be able to see the spray of the paint with the single stage. and yea u will be able to see the difference in paints if you dont blen it wont be obvioiuse but you be'n the owner will notice trust me save up and youll be much happier in the long run

davidfre21
07-18-2007, 09:54 PM
^^^^ no no no prep for single or base/clear should be the same and yes u will have to blend to make it perfect. yes with a single stand u wont have to blend because u cant youll be able to see the spray of the paint with the single stage. and yea u will be able to see the difference in paints if you dont blen it wont be obvioiuse but you be'n the owner will notice trust me save up and youll be much happier in the long run
you can blend single stage paints and you dont have to blend black to make it perfect...

what do u mean by you will be able to see "the spray of the paint"? I prep for both types of paints jobs everyday and i guarentee you the prep is different. Although similar prepping for bc/cc has more steps.

z2fast8
07-20-2007, 05:28 PM
what are the more steps and how do u blend the singe? cuz even when we use bleed in spray if we just spot in a bumper or something no mater how much buffing u do if u look hard enough u can stil see the whats been sprayd its not noticable to most but if you know wat to look for u can see it. and what do u do different in prep?? i also have worked at a restoration and hotrod shop for the last 4 years. alabamaclassiccars.com if ya wanna check out some of my paint work

SSZSLP
07-21-2007, 01:55 AM
as you can see, as with most anything else, you will get different answers, some more accurate then others, then you have the what is "right and what is the wrong way". Long story short your budget is what ultimately decides which way to go about fixing this.
I personally would go with the base coat clear coat set-up vs single-stage, considering you can tell the difference when the single 'dies' down after a period of time especially for a daily driver that is sun-beaten everyday.
Do not attempt to blend panel ( if you are talking about blending within the same panel ? ) as the cost difference does not justify a foggy or rough edge of the clear as you will not end liking the end product, thus spending more money in the end to fix

6SSPEED
07-21-2007, 08:06 PM
when u blend with a base/clear u only color panit the fixed area then u clear the rest of the panel

jegan1989
07-21-2007, 08:22 PM
fi it is not bad wetsand and buff it out and if you want a shine you that new liquid diamond stuff that is on the tv all the time it works

SSZSLP
07-22-2007, 12:13 AM
when u blend with a base/clear u only color panit the fixed area then u clear the rest of the panel


that's one way, the other way some blend the clear into existing clear, really doesn't apply to f-body as much as it would a truck or suburban 1/4 panel.