Sponsor Group Purchases - Polished Stainless Steel Headers and Y-pipe

Ok we decided to have a crazy summer sale. We are extending the $550 shipped price until the end of August. We will also continue to offer an additional discount for Military personal. Pm me if interested.

The primary's are 1 3/4 the collectors are 3" and the Y-pipe is 3".

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Are there any plans in the works for a similar setup for LT1 cars? There could be a good chunk of money to be made as the only stainless headers for our cars are the IMO overpriced Kooks...

We are thinking about making LT1 headers just not sure if there would be enough interest in them to make them.

Damn... aint those pretty!

Already got some KooK's, otherwise I'd be ringing your phone.

We are thinking about making LT1 headers just not sure if there would be enough interest in them to make them.

If you guys made some, would there be anyway of making some bigger or maybe stepped headers and a good y pipe? Right now I don't know of any stepped headers for my car and I think something like the LS1 Edelbrock stepped headers (i.e. not a huge step, one that could be used on a non-stroker) would sell very well. If not, even just some good fitting 1 3/4" headers with a great y pipe would sell well too.

pm sent

Is there anyway to get them w/o the Y pipe? PM me w/ a price shipped to 62024 if you can.

demo: i think headers along are 450 shipped

possible to get Y pipe without the 02 connector and that hanger thing on the passenger side?

The headers alone are $425 shipped right now.

The O2 bungs in the Y are just for Wide band tunning.

We would have to wait until we did another production run to make one without the hanger bracket. I can be cut off ground down and repolished.

Are there any plans in the works for a similar setup for LT1 cars? There could be a good chunk of money to be made as the only stainless headers for our cars are the IMO overpriced Kooks...

I agree

i would be interested in some stainless lt1 headers my pacesetters are about due for a change

I'd replace my LT's for some stainless steel LT1 headers.

i would def. buy these headers if produced for lt-1. very nice work! :judge:

I want a set. i'm looking to get rid of my bbk's. Do they have any emission stuff on them? I would perfer none. And is it possible to get O2 bungs on each cylinder?

i would definately get a set for my lt1 please make em

Id be interested in a set... 1 7/8 LT :)

I would be interested in some LT1 stepped or even non stepped.

I'd definatley be interested in a set for my LT1. They look like a high quality piece.

make some for a ltx car, Let me know i will pre-pay

I would be interested also in a 1 3/4 header for the F-Body! Would save me alot of time & effort if I got stainless instead of having cheat pacesetters coated over the winter!

keep the price around where ls1 set is.if you can do that i will get 2 sets.please make them stepped 1 3/4 to 1 7/8.

Stainless lt's for a price like that, who needs kooks!! 3/4 to 7/8 sounds good to me.

I know I would def purchase a set of LT-1 headers like that. My brother in law would probably also be interested in a set.

Wow, I didn't expect this kind of demand for a set of the LT1 headers. Is this enough interest? If not, I can cross post it on a couple of other boards if needed..

BTW, depending on the price I would definately be interested in a set of stepped ones, but if not I would like a set of regular stainless ones! :)

please make some for LT-1's im interested:)

I'm in the market for headers and would definetely buy the stainless LT-1 version w/y-pipe if it was available, especially for ~$550

TO ALL:

Just got these in and they look great. Welds are nice and material is thick.:)

I checked flanges with a straight edge and there are no gaps. :judge:

Bump for a good quality product for a more than competetive price.

Thanks to Black2002Ws6 for the great headers.

-BW-

What is the downfall of not having emissions?

Not being able to pass emission test.

are you considering making these for the lt-1?

Possibly

Would you consider making a set for me? If so how much? PM me if interested. :)

How much for just a set of "race" headers (no emissions)? Also what is the military discount percent? Thanks for the help.

$425 shipped for just the headers. $400 if you send us a picture of your military Id.

$425 shipped for just the headers. $400 if you send us a picture of your military Id.

Thanks for the quick response.

Are these based off of the Jet-Hot/Hooker/Pacesetter longtube headers? The reason I ask is because I need something that will work with my current exhaust set-up without major modifications. Thanks again.

They are similar to pacesetters.

Are they availible in 1 7/8? If so you have another order right now.

Sorry only 1 3/4"

Any updates on the Lt1 headers? LOL

We are working on it.

Sound clips with the Race headers and ORY and a Magnaflow catback. Please excuse the miss shifts I was having clutch problems at the time:(

Clip 1 (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a297/black2002ws6/?action=view&current=exhaust_0001.flv)

Clip 2 (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a297/black2002ws6/?action=view&current=exhaust_0002.flv)

I will be getting in touch with you sometime this fall when I have some cash. They look and sound great!

We are working on it.

What will it take to get this done? Somebody fronting the cash in advance?

If you develop a stainless LTx header and sell it for the price you're currently selling the LSx's for, you my friend will officially own the LT1 header market.

We are working on it already but it all takes time. There's mockups to be made test fitting and adjusting them molds and jigs to be made.

We are working on it already but it all takes time. There's mockups to be made test fitting and adjusting them molds and jigs to be made.

This might help to simplify your R&D process and speed things along:

http://www.icengineworks.com/icewmain.htm

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This might help to simplify your R&D process and speed things along:

http://www.icengineworks.com/icewmain.htm

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Thats a badass way to design.



On a side note, still interested in these being made.

LT1 Stainless Header Poll here:

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=760906

We are working on it already but it all takes time. There's mockups to be made test fitting and adjusting them molds and jigs to be made.

In doing this, could you place a major focus on plug access? It is terrible on my pacesetter headers and I would buy a new set of yours just for improved access!

BTW, I cross posted your poll in my original thread in the LT1 tech section. :judge:

yall are silly if you dont make these for the lt1. there is still a boatload of us out here and at for what your selling the ls1 headers for, us lt1 guys would all ditch our jet hots and hookers for some stainless headers. i know i would.

Is there an O2 bung on the headers? I didn't see them in the pics.

Yes in the pictures there on the bottom.

I agree with everyone else on you owning the LTx market if you make these for a similar price to your LSx pricing. I personally would love to see this setp with an option to do the 1 7/8 stepped. Build it ! :)

Please pm me your contact information. Can I prepay for race style LT1 headers with bungs? I will not need them for another 3 months but I can prepay

We are not going to take prepayments. It's hard to tell how long it may be before we have a finish product ready for the marketplace. First off mockup models have to be made then test fitting and adjustments have to be made. Then probably more mockups. Then molds and jigs have to be made. And then a finished product can be made. It's a pretty time consuming process.

Does anyone have any installed pics so we can see the ground clearance, etc...?

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EXTREMELY interested if you do the LT1 headers. PM Sent.

Sale ends in one week :)

what is the cost after the sale ends?

$600 for the package.
$450 for headers only.
$250 for Y only.
Everything will still have Free shipping.

We will still offer a Military discount as long as we have troops in harms way where ever it may be.

Thanks for the quick response.

You don't do a catted y?

Not at this time.

do you know of catted y that would work with your headers?

please check ur email

Oh sorry about that. Yes they are guaranteed to fit. Not sure what you mean about condition they are brand new. But as with any after market part some adjustments may be necessary.

To all buyers please take notice.
Some adjustments mean that you may have to cut and reweld the header or heat it up and bend it to get the y-pipe on. Also some k-member grinding might be necessary.

Quote from email sent to me... "So far we have sold over 75 of these packages and only had a couple of people have problems. One of them heated the pipes at the collector and pulled it down a little. The other had a small pie cut out of the collector and then pulled down and rewelded. As far as the K member a lot of people have had the same problem with all the other header manufactures. They usually just grind a little off the K member for clearance."
Please look at the pics to see what I mean by this!

Hitting K-Memeber on drivers side
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Driver side collecter running to the crossmemeber/fuel lines...Y-Pipe will not go in like this
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Wish I would have read the "new sponsor thread" site first before purchasing....didnt see it before hand. :bang:

Let the records show I still would like to use the headers but at this moment can not. The welds and visual quality of the headers are fine, I just dont feel like one should have to modify them to fit the car. Just IMO.

-BW-

The Y will go on. Thats why its flattened to clear the brace.

Why not do a search and see how many other headers may have some type of fitment issue. Not all cars are the same. My $1k+ kooks sat on the K member and almost rubbed a hole in them. Ive read QTPs with problems, Kooks, Pacesetter, etc...

You got a stainless steel header and Y pipe for 1/2 the cost of the others. There are PLENTY of sets that have been sold with NO problems.

solid motor mounts..

Sale ends in 3 days :)
Sorry that Bluesteel is having a problem. We have sold over 75 of these sets and only a couple of people have had problems and they worked them out.
Everyone knows no two F-bodys are the same. We worked hard to try and make these fit as good as possible and give plenty of ground clearance. But there may be some issues depending on your car. Evey header company deals with the same problems with their headers not fitting perfect on every car. We try hard to help everyone out with problems they have and reach a solution to fix the problem. Our customer service is Number One with us. Most other companys won't even answer your emails. We are on Tech every day to answer PM's and we try and answer our emails everyday.

Carl
LPP President

Do you, personally, make these headers? Or does another company make these? And who is SSAutoChrome?

Thanx!! :)

SSAutochrome is the company that makes them. I worked with them to make the headers and Y. They sent me a mock up and I cut and rewedded it where necessary to make them fit. Then they sent another mock up to make sure it fit. Then they made a production set and I installed them to make sure they fit also.

Sale ends today.

Guess I missed this one

When do you think you'll do the next group buy on these, for those that are wondering?

Close to Christmas.

Close to Christmas.

Cool, i'm cross posting a link to this thread and linking your pics of the system over on LV F-Body for anyone who might be interested over there. I'll definitely be hitting you up for a set here soon. Just need to get a little more settled in here at Ft Benning first. :)

OK Thanks

The regular prices are so good I'm not waiting for a group purchase. :)

Stay tuned for some very exciting news coming out very soon:)

:lurk:

:confused:

News???? Hmmm..

Whats the word on the stepped header for LTx cars?

I can't remember if this was asked or not, can the Y pipe be ordered without the flattened sections or do they not really effect the flow much?

Oh yeah, since you seem to have a lot of 3" stainless pipe, can we also order a section of that to use as a I pipe? What would it cost for a polished section of that maybe 3 feet long?

Any word on LTx headers?

SSAutoChrome sells on Ebay, may or may not fit as well as these. Also, having installed more than a few sets of LT headers on LS1s, ANY header is going to have either or both of these problems: not tucked tight enough, poor ground clearance, and/or tucked too tight, clearance issues on the bottom of the car/kframe. Pretty much all exhaust needs a bit of 'tweaking' to fit its best. Anyone who has worked on an fbody recognizes our stuff is ALL packed in there with little excess room.

One comment about this is important: I personally drive mostly on the street, so I'd stay away from SOLID motor mounts, but I will say that POLY motor mounts can help with clearance issues, especially if your car has a few miles and is still on the stock rubber mounts.

I need race headers w/y-pipe for a 99 SS. Did you improve fittment issues or does the big announcement have nothing to do with what I need. Thanx.

Sorry all the Y's have the flattened spots. They don't really affect the air flow.
We are working on some changes to them they should be ready soon.

Sorry all the Y's have the flattened spots. They don't really affect the air flow.
We are working on some changes to them they should be ready soon.


I have a question about these headers, and its an honest question, not trying to knock the headers.

Were these headers designed from scratch by testing different flow designs, or were they copied from an existing header?
Either way is fine with me because the price is outstanding.
If they were designed from scratch, why no HP/TQ numbers?

Thanks

It's my fault there is no HP/TQ numbers. I used my own car to install the mock up headers on and cut and adjust them to fit then they used the mock ups to produce the finish product. I never did a before and after dyno to get numbers. I even offered a couple people buying them a discount to do a before and after dyno but neither one ever did.

I guess that means "no" on the LTX headers...

We are in the process of making LT1 headers and Y.

On your next sale price are you going to require group purchase to get sale price or can you just buy the package on your own?

Just a regular sale no GP

OK, so we can't order the Y without the flattened sections, can we order it without the O2 bungs and mount?

A seperate question, can you do the Y into a larger diameter I pipe, like 3.5"?

Sorry all the Y's are already made. The only way we can keep cost as low as it is is to make a bunch of them at one time. We can't make on offs it would cost to much.

You guys ship to APO boxes?

Whats the word on these changes being made to the Y's? Better fit? No bumping? Better flow?

All the above:)

Ok, what's the projected date on the LTx Long tubes?

Will they be stepped?

I want some. Pricing? PM or post, either way. I'm willing to wait to put the new motor in for stepped LT stainless for around 500 bucks with Y pipe.

I have stockish (3.73, built 4L60e) 94 Z28 with Hooker shortys (or might be able to find some stock manifolds) now, and 847 cam. I'd consider a before/after, but since the engine is out of the car at the moment, and it's SO much easier to do the headers out rather than in, it'd have to be a fairly good deal. PM me if you want before/after.

Hopefully in a couple of weeks.

pm sent.

black2002ws6,
I called to order brand-X headers today...and got interrupted at work just before dialing the last number. Glad I didn't try to call back :)

I am ready to buy a stainless LTx long tube/Y-pipe combo immediately. Just say the word!!

Please keep us posted! As someone else mentioned, I will pre-pay if needed.

:drool:

Just a regular sale no GP

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I keep hearing, "hopefully a couple weeks." Do you yet have a ship date for LTx headers/y-pipe? I'm still holding off dropping in the motor in hope these will be available very soon....

Very soon, you won't be disappointed for waiting:)

How about the new ls stuff?:angel:

Very soon too:)

Man it's like waiting for a hot date to give you some!!!

How about the new ls stuff?:angel:

Very soon too:)

What does this mean? I just ordered these headers yesterday. Should i have waited? What are the changes going to consist of?

Oh yeah, since you seem to have a lot of 3" stainless pipe, can we also order a section of that to use as a I pipe? What would it cost for a polished section of that maybe 3 feet long?
I'm ready to order my set, but I still need to hear back from you about the extra length of polished 3" pipe.

I have no clue where to get it besides you guys. Then all I would need is a polished stainless muffler to have the perfect exhaust. :pimp:

what changes are being made to the Y pipe? I'd like to know before I go and modify my current one...

also, since there was talk about 3" polished pipe... where do I sign up http://www.demonofdreams.org/kekekegay.gif

How bout an update.:engarde:

Well we got the first sample done but I didn't like the way a couple of the pipes fit so we are redoing the jigs to make another sample. Sorry for the delays but want to make sure everything fit as good as possible.

Also checking on selling extra lengths of pipe. We have never sold pipe that way so have to check on doing that.

Whats the word on these changes being made to the Y's? Better fit? No bumping? Better flow?

Have these changes taken place already?

There in the works.

and theeeeeeeeen? I want a set of the improved version and i would be happy to do a before and after dyno test since i plan to get a tune anyway and i have not changed anything since my last dyno

I need LTs and ory by friday...

what's the word?

Is there any way to have a air tube put on for smog just need to pass visual and a obd2 plug in test no carb numbers or such needed that and I need to figure how to fit cats on that y or make a y with cats.

Sorry but we don't have any of the air tubes anymore.

are you going to get more? I am willing to wait cant do crap till spring any ways.

Not sure at this time if we are going to make anymore of the emission style headers.

when will your new headers with the new modifications be finished and ready for purchase?

Hoping in the next 30 to 60 days.

Hoping in the next 30 to 60 days.

You've been saying that for over 6 months.
I just bought a BEAUTIFUL set of stainless steel headers. They are made by Kooks, and fit, finish, and performance are all excellent. Oh yeah... they also come in quite a few different configurations, including stepped race and emissions legal. Do they cost more than the supposed initial price of these? YUP. Are they proven? Yup. CAn you buy a set USED for a reasonable price? Yup... and resell them for pretty near that same used price down the road if need be.

I suspect this "stainless LT1 headers for around 500 bucks" deal is going to end up being vaporware like the Edelbrock LT4 intakes. Advertised for years, never actually available until no one cared anymore.

Dude, I wish you the best of luck... but I DO have a suggestion for you. Find a REAL header company to work with. Almost ANYONE else could have designed a functional LT1 header from scratch by now... the guys you are working with can't even seem to correct their own existing design in any reasonable length of time, despite a clearly demonstrated market. Oh... and since Summit manages to sell a multitude of headers for right around $100 in painted steel... I really don't think decent stainless for around 500 is all that amazing. (Maybe if they'd spend less time polishing the stainless, they could get their butts in gear on the design corrections?):bang:

You've been saying that for over 6 months.
I just bought a BEAUTIFUL set of stainless steel headers. They are made by Kooks, and fit, finish, and performance are all excellent. Oh yeah... they also come in quite a few different configurations, including stepped race and emissions legal. Do they cost more than the supposed initial price of these? YUP. Are they proven? Yup. CAn you buy a set USED for a reasonable price? Yup... and resell them for pretty near that same used price down the road if need be.

I suspect this "stainless LT1 headers for around 500 bucks" deal is going to end up being vaporware like the Edelbrock LT4 intakes. Advertised for years, never actually available until no one cared anymore.

Dude, I wish you the best of luck... but I DO have a suggestion for you. Find a REAL header company to work with. Almost ANYONE else could have designed a functional LT1 header from scratch by now... the guys you are working with can't even seem to correct their own existing design in any reasonable length of time, despite a clearly demonstrated market. Oh... and since Summit manages to sell a multitude of headers for right around $100 in painted steel... I really don't think decent stainless for around 500 is all that amazing. (Maybe if they'd spend less time polishing the stainless, they could get their butts in gear on the design corrections?):bang:
Why are you bashing a sponsor? All your info and opinion is useless. I hope your post gets deleted.

I Agree No Reason To Bash A Sponsor. I Understand His Frustration. I Have A Co-worker That Has Been Dealing With Carl And Following The Thread. I Think The Guys Are Just Wanting An Honest Answer From The Sponsor. When Are They Really Going To Be Ready For Sale? Sounds Like He Has A Great Product And My Friend Would Like To Buy A Set. Please Pm Me If We Can Get Some Better Info, Or Post For All Patiently Waiting.

looking for headers and y-pipe for 2000 z28 w/emmissions.don't want any problems with fitment--------total price shipped

Ok first off the reason we can sell the headers at the price we do is because we don't make a whole lot of configurations. We make what most people want to buy. The companys that make every configuration possible have to charge more for each set to make up for all the header they make that don't sell.

As far as you talking about the LT1 headers your in the wrong thread to be talking about them. If you look in the right thread you will see that all my work is paying off. The next sample is on the way to me. Look here:

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=760906

Now you have to understand I am only a single person working with a header company to make a better quality product for a more reasonable price for my fellow LS owners.
I make a mock up in my own garage and send it to them and they make it and send it back to me. Then I make any adjustments to it that are necessary then send it back to them and then they make another set and send them back to me. All this takes time. All I do it all to try and make them as perfect as possible.

Now if your happy paying $1000 for a set of bare 304 stainless headers then more power to you. If you would like to pay $450 for a set of 321 polished stainless headers then contact me. Higher quality stainless and less than half the price. An if you don't know the difference between 304 and 321 stainless I suggested you do a search to find out.

And I would like you to show me what LS1 painted steel headers you can buy for $100.

And for catpue sorry we don't make the emission header anymore because they don't sell very well so to keep cost down we don't have them anymore.

Ok I also forgot to post in this thread that I did receive the first sample of the new LS1 headers and y. I had a problem with the headers and sent them back to be redone but the new Y is perfect. Here's a link to the pictures I posted of the new Y:

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=839970

very very cool, thanks for the update

well from what I can tell I will have to go get a set of big $$$$$ kooks :( I have to have air tubes to pass in NH. Is there any way i can get the parts and have a local fab shop weld on the air tubes for me?

Why don't you just transfer the stock air tubes over to the headers? Drill a hole, stick it on and weld it stainless to Stainless. Should be easy.

need a price on race headers and ory shipped for a 02 ws6 m6

PM sent

PM sent.

hey man shoot me a price on a set with the ypipe to 78610. Thanks

How much for your headers and y-pipe to 41017 thanks
could not wait for the new headers and y-pipe ordered them tonight

last price he said was $550 for headers and y and $450 for just headers, free shipping.

Yes that is the prices.

XS headers are sold out.

How does that Y pipe flow with it being smashed in the middle?

are they still sold out, please PM? I dont need any emissions crap, what do I need to not have any lights on?

Yes the XS headers are sold out. Our own headers will be out in 30 to 60 days.

Can't wait, hopefully I'll be buying headers and a y-pipe at some point this summer. Keep us updated on the new headers and y-pipe.

pm sent again. please respond.

Damn...so much for that. LoL I waited to long.

I got a brand new set with y pipe from a guy on ebay for who wanted to use kooks. He even sent the headers and y in the kooks box. These headers and y pipe look great the weld are all really nice and just for fyi the ceramic coted headers suck because they look like crap with in a year.

Yes the XS headers are sold out. Our own headers will be out in 30 to 60 days.
Any updates?

Also, have you mentioned how YOUR headers will be different?
Will they be polished stainless like the XS?

Yes any updates? We have all been waiting very very long.

Yes the will be 321 polished stainless. The new design is complete. Just have to wait for them to complete production on the LT1s then they will start on the LS1s.

Wow, I'm glad those other headers came in on friday...

Just as I expected, ppl are still waiting.

Wondering if there is any new information, will the price be increasing?

Yes, any updates? I'm waiting!

How about some PICs?

What sort of discount is offered for educators?

Ok guys here's the thread about the new ones:

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=897789&highlight=lpp

Well the way all my teacher treated me when I was in school I think educators should pay more:)

Just kiddin:)

We offer any public service personal a $25 discount:)

Well the way all my teacher treated me when I was in school I think educators should pay more:)

Just kiddin:)

We offer any public service personal a $25 discount:)

Does that include HAZMAT volunteers?

What about service technicians? :p

HAZMAT ok service techs don't think that's public service:)

how about military? also how is your list looking, im asking because i come back to the states mid july and would like to install immediately. i also did see it was gonna take yall 30 to 60 days so im basically just seeing how long the wait would be. thank you