Street Racing & Kill Stories - WS6 vs Mach1 again!

well looks like I need to find more Mach1's like this one! it was white with black wheels and lowered with a good sounding exhaust set up? anyways it jumped on me going around 40mph we then both just hit(I let him hit first) and proceeded to claim yet another Mach1 kill! they didn't want a rematch maybe cause' 4 cars or so ass whoopin' lets them know they didn't have enough anyways! I wish I could have done Mach1nut this way! :jest: all BS aside I really like the way the Mach1's look and will have one someday in the next year or so! :drive:

Nice kill, anyone know what the diff. is between a regular 16 vavle gt 4.6 and a mach 1 is. I know the cobras had the 32 vavle and some with blowers but I was wondering about the mach1s.

For all intents and purposes, the Mach is a 99-01 Cobra with better midrange, 3.55s, and a solid axle.

For all intents and purposes, the Mach is a 99-01 Cobra with better midrange, 3.55s, and a solid axle.

Wrong! The Mach 1 has 03 style heads which flow better. 99-01's had the C (tumble port) heads. Mach 1's also have different cams. :search: Also the exhaust port flows better and has a rectangular shape.

Wrong! The Mach 1 has 03 style heads which flow better. 99-01's had the C (tumble port) heads. Mach 1's also have different cams. :search: Also the exhaust port flows better and has a rectangular shape.
FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES. That means that I'm not gonna go into specifics (like what style 4v heads, or what shape the exhaust ports are). Same *basic* power level, with more midrange (cams and heads). Would you rather I said "For all intents and purposes it's a GT with a non-forged (except the crank) '03 Cobra motor?" :eyes:

well looks like I need to find more Mach1's like this one! it was white with black wheels and lowered with a good sounding exhaust set up? anyways it jumped on me going around 40mph we then both just hit(I let him hit first) and proceeded to claim yet another Mach1 kill! they didn't want a rematch maybe cause' 4 cars or so ass whoopin' lets them know they didn't have enough anyways! I wish I could have done Mach1nut this way! :jest: all BS aside I really like the way the Mach1's look and will have one someday in the next year or so! :drive:
Nice kill.....I am shocked at 4 cars but..hey...a win is a win. LEWSER!.LOL



And....I think Irun11s just didnt' want to go into a long explenation of the differences. You are both correct..the short side is they are similar to the 99-01 cobra's....but there are severl differences as well.

FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES. That means that I'm not gonna go into specifics (like what style 4v heads, or what shape the exhaust ports are). Same *basic* power level, with more midrange (cams and heads). Would you rather I said "For all intents and purposes it's a GT with a non-forged (except the crank) '03 Cobra motor?" :eyes:
Nope..cause the mach has an alum block.... :jest:

Nice, keep on killing the slowstangs. Btw where were you saturday? I was at Xtreme.

Isnt the mach 1, 32valve motor made from aluminum compared to the cobras iron block?

you like the way mach1s look?.....:jest:...mach 1s fell from the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down

Nice kill.....I am shocked at 4 cars but..hey...a win is a win. LEWSER!.LOL



And....I think Irun11s just didnt' want to go into a long explenation of the differences. You are both correct..the short side is they are similar to the 99-01 cobra's....but there are severl differences as well.LOL, I think this was another A4 Mach1 but not sure but thats what i'm guessing at by saying 4 cars back(round about) looking back in the side and rearview mirrors is not always safe you know! :jest: but if you guys remember correctly the night at the track when I raced mach1nut I had also raced a DSG A4 Mach1 with an X pipe,catback and CAI and drug his ass dirty(unlike Mach1nut) :drive: I now wonder what is the stock ET's and dyno #'s for A4 Mach1's??? and how well they respond to stall converter upgrades? :judge:

Nice, keep on killing the slowstangs. Btw where were you saturday? I was at Xtreme.way too far for me without it being a certified track! :jest:

Isnt the mach 1, 32valve motor made from aluminum compared to the cobras iron block?
That's why I included the year range that I did... the 03-04 Cobras have iron blocks.

well looks like I need to find more Mach1's like this one! it was white with black wheels and lowered with a good sounding exhaust set up? anyways it jumped on me going around 40mph we then both just hit(I let him hit first) and proceeded to claim yet another Mach1 kill!
they didn't want a rematch
maybe cause' 4 cars or so ass whoopin' lets them know they didn't have enough anyways! I wish I could have done Mach1nut this way! :jest: all BS aside I really like the way the Mach1's look and will have one someday in the next year or so! :drive:

Nice Kill.

They? Did the Mach have passengers?

Nice Kill.

They? Did the Mach have passengers?LOL, yea 1 his chick I guess maybe 100lber round a bout' but I had 2 with me 100 and 150lber's so once again weight was not on my side :(

Yeah sounds like an automatic one to me. Good kill though.

LOL, I think this was another A4 Mach1 but not sure but thats what i'm guessing at by saying 4 cars back(round about) looking back in the side and rearview mirrors is not always safe you know! :jest: but if you guys remember correctly the night at the track when I raced mach1nut I had also raced a DSG A4 Mach1 with an X pipe,catback and CAI and drug his ass dirty(unlike Mach1nut) :drive: I now wonder what is the stock ET's and dyno #'s for A4 Mach1's??? and how well they respond to stall converter upgrades? :judge:
very much possibly an A4 mach. They dyno 255-270(at best). The best ET I have 'heard of' was a 13.54 bone stock. They are typically an upper 13 second car though...so I say mid to upper 13s.

cappn....I'd watch who you call slow. plenty of stangs would hand you your rear. :gtfo: :jest:

Brichdp06 - Opinions vary. I have spoken with countless people that think the mach is the best looking stang yet...including the terminators....even when I had my cobra. you know what they say...opinions are like A-holes, everyone has one.

very much possibly an A4 mach. They dyno 255-270(at best). The best ET I have 'heard of' was a 13.54 bone stock. They are typically an upper 13 second car though...so I say mid to upper 13s.

cappn....I'd watch who you call slow. plenty of stangs would hand you your rear. :gtfo: :jest:

Brichdp06 - Opinions vary. I have spoken with countless people that think the mach is the best looking stang yet...including the terminators....even when I had my cobra. you know what they say...opinions are like A-holes, everyone has one.are you sure they are that fast stock? the DSG Mach I had raced the night Mach1nut whooped me had an X pipe and a catback and ran a mid 9 sec. 1/8 best!!! :eek2: and then this white Mach I raced off of a roll seem not to have the same snap of a 5 speed car when it dropped down and I know a stick car would have been "not that far behind" me! :jest:

Dude, if you beat a Mach, he wasn't racing......or so I've been told. :eyes:

Dude, if you beat a Mach, he wasn't racing......or so I've been told. :eyes:LMAO! I know, but I try not to lie too much on here! :judge:

you like the way mach1s look?.....:jest:...mach 1s fell from the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down
And this swam up from the chanel mud! :jest:

http://home.comcast.net/~jimmac395/camaro_catfish.jpg

:jest:

Good kill Omega. :devil:

Good Kill.

I think Mach's look pretty good once they get a good set of wheels. The stock wheels are ugly to me. But they aren't ugly.

I wish i had more experience with Mach's

My brother has a A4 Mach1 and when we were both stock, I was about .5 faster. I ran a 13.7 to his 14.2 on the same night. I know those times seem slow but the track we ran at was not the best. When we were driving home from the track though, we went at it on the freeway. From about 70 - 120 when he was able to start in 3rd gear (1:1) and I was in 4th gear (1:1) I would barely inch ahead of him so they seemed pretty even at the higher speeds.

He now has a Pro-Charger, 4.10's, exhaust, etc and with only a 2.0 60', he ran a 7.9 @ 93 in the 1/8th. His car would probably drop another .4 - .5 tenths with a converter.

Isnt the mach 1, 32valve motor made from aluminum compared to the cobras iron block?

not according to this, the mach also has an iron block

http://www.stangbangers.com/03_Mach1_Article4.htm

Nope... aluminum :judge:

My brother has a A4 Mach1 and when we were both stock, I was about .5 faster. I ran a 13.7 to his 14.2 on the same night. I know those times seem slow but the track we ran at was not the best. When we were driving home from the track though, we went at it on the freeway. From about 70 - 120 when he was able to start in 3rd gear (1:1) and I was in 4th gear (1:1) I would barely inch ahead of him so they seemed pretty even at the higher speeds.

He now has a Pro-Charger, 4.10's, exhaust, etc and with only a 2.0 60', he ran a 7.9 @ 93 in the 1/8th. His car would probably drop another .4 - .5 tenths with a converter.and I was just about to ask to race him until the last paragraph! :eek2:

not according to this, the mach also has an iron block

http://www.stangbangers.com/03_Mach1_Article4.htm
That's why you shouldn't believe everything you read in those magazines! The Mach 1 motor is all aluminum, block and heads.

and I was just about to ask to race him until the last paragraph! :eek2:

http://www.yougotdrug.com/Steelwing7.945.htm

Here's his car.

are you sure they are that fast stock? the DSG Mach I had raced the night Mach1nut whooped me had an X pipe and a catback and ran a mid 9 sec. 1/8 best!!! :eek2: and then this white Mach I raced off of a roll seem not to have the same snap of a 5 speed car when it dropped down and I know a stick car would have been "not that far behind" me! :jest:Different tracks...different cities, I guess. But yet...A4 machs are typically a high 13 second car.

http://www.yougotdrug.com/Steelwing7.945.htm

Here's his car.damn I need to race him after my bolt on's are installed! :drive: hell you should race him once you get the headers and nitrous to put lil/big bro in check! :jest:

Different tracks...different cities, I guess. But yet...A4 machs are typically a high 13 second car.well I guess? but so far I am 3-1 against mach1's but I hope to erase that 1 loss here soon? :)

Dude, if you beat a Mach, he wasn't racing......or so I've been told. :eyes:
Why am I NOT surprised to see you in here talking crap.

It's funny..I am a stang guy and get crap for being on an LS1 website.....yet, I ahve more posts than you, and you seem to stir up more crap on the stang posts than any stang guy I have seen.

Why do you have ot be SOO dang ignorant/arrogant?....why is it hard to believe that there is a stang that is actually a quick car?...and a driver's race with an LS??...I can't believe the arrogance some people have. :bang:

damn I need to race him after my bolt on's are installed! :drive: hell you should race him once you get the headers and nitrous to put lil/big bro in check! :jest:


Haha. That is my goal, to run a 7.944 or faster NA!

I actually looked at his timeslip and mine.

We went when my car had about 900 miles on it and his had about 2,000 - 3,000

He ran (2003 Mach1 Automatic - bone stock - paper filter and all)

2.257 60'
9.346 1/8th
78.83 mph
14.310 1/4
98.87 mph

I ran (2003 Mach1 5 speed - bone stock - paper filter and all)

2.175 60'
9.0350 1/8th
80.14 mph
13.878 1/4
102.04 mph

So I had 0.331 and 1.31 mph on him in the 1/8 and 0.432 and 3.17mph in the 1/4.

That's as close as a comparison that I can give you. Track conditions were not good and this was in California on 91 octane.

Why am I NOT surprised to see you in here talking crap.

It's funny..I am a stang guy and get crap for being on an LS1 website.....yet, I ahve more posts than you, and you seem to stir up more crap on the stang posts than any stang guy I have seen.

I was just passing your wise words onto the others.

p.s. the reason you have a lot of posts is because your like a woman going on and on. Is there ANYTHING you don't know EVERYTHING about? :confused: -Dave

I was just passing your wise words onto the others.

p.s. the reason you have a lot of posts is because your like a woman going on and on. Is there ANYTHING you don't know EVERYTHING about? :confused: -Dave
Oh yes.....you are so right Mr. Perfect. Have you read all my posts?...obviously not, or else you would know I don't act like I know everything. You are the immature arrogant fool.......not I.

YOu have been here a FULL YEAR longer than I.....and only have 11 posts........Yet, I am the irritant?.....ok....Nuff said. :gtfo:

You know SLodave....I just did a search to look at all your posts.....it's quite interesting. Basically, if you aren't buying something, you are talking crap about stangs. You have been on here for two years, and any member or moderator can look at your post history and count on ONE HAND how many contributing posts you have made. All the others are nothing more than talking crap.

I say again......and people think stang owners are the only ones to talk sh!t.

Haha. That is my goal, to run a 7.944 or faster NA!

I actually looked at his timeslip and mine.

We went when my car had about 900 miles on it and his had about 2,000 - 3,000

He ran (2003 Mach1 Automatic - bone stock - paper filter and all)

2.257 60'
9.346 1/8th
78.83 mph
14.310 1/4
98.87 mph

I ran (2003 Mach1 5 speed - bone stock - paper filter and all)

2.175 60'
9.0350 1/8th
80.14 mph
13.878 1/4
102.04 mph

So I had 0.331 and 1.31 mph on him in the 1/8 and 0.432 and 3.17mph in the 1/4.

That's as close as a comparison that I can give you. Track conditions were not good and this was in California on 91 octane.so when is he coming down for a visit and tell him to bring the Mach so we can both drag his ass down one of are many beloved 1/8 mile tracks or even the 1 and only 1/4 the coveted ENNIS track! :drive:

so when is he coming down for a visit and tell him to bring the Mach so we can both drag his ass down one of are many beloved 1/8 mile tracks or even the 1 and only 1/4 the coveted ENNIS track! :drive:

It will happen eventually I'm sure.

so when is he coming down for a visit and tell him to bring the Mach so we can both drag his ass down one of are many beloved 1/8 mile tracks or even the 1 and only 1/4 the coveted ENNIS track! :drive:
We gotta go down there once it gets to 50-55 degrees, and low humidity :judge:

well I guess? but so far I am 3-1 against mach1's but I hope to erase that 1 loss here soon? :)Thats ok I'll be sure to add another one to the loss section for you, "ALL MOTOR"!!!! :devil: :drive:

Not another LS1/MACH 1 pissing match!!!!!! :cry:
I have raced a couple...lost 1 and won 1. Why is it though that some LS1 guys only know about there own cars. With all the MACH 1/ LS1 threads that appear on here, you figure that everyone would now that these two cars are a good race for each other in stock form. When modding begins, all bets are off. It depends on who has the most money. LS1 guys go heads/cam and possibly stroked. 32V mod motors go SC. Both make very respectable power with those mods or even basic bolt-ons. However, stock for stock, this race can be determined by the simple matter of a wheel spin. Most MACH 1s with an M5 do turn low 13's. The Automatics have the potential to do better if they reprogram the computer shift points. However, they still fall short from M5 Machs. Come on guys....don't get pissed because another N/A motor with about 60ci less than yours can hang with you. :jest: (just kidding) Ford just decided to make the power from the heads. BTW...I have owned both..2004 MACH1 Mustang and a 2001 Z28. I know the portential of both.

Not another LS1/MACH 1 pissing match!!!!!! :cry:
I have raced a couple...lost 1 and won 1. Why is it though that some LS1 guys only know about there own cars. With all the MACH 1/ LS1 threads that appear on here, you figure that everyone would now that these two cars are a good race for each other in stock form. When modding begins, all bets are off. It depends on who has the most money. LS1 guys go heads/cam and possibly stroked. 32V mod motors go SC. Both make very respectable power with those mods or even basic bolt-ons. However, stock for stock, this race can be determined by the simple matter of a wheel spin. Most MACH 1s with an M5 do turn low 13's. The Automatics have the potential to do better if they reprogram the computer shift points. However, they still fall short from M5 Machs. Come on guys....don't get pissed because another N/A motor with about 60ci less than yours can hang with you. :jest: (just kidding) Ford just decided to make the power from the heads. BTW...I have owned both..2004 MACH1 Mustang and a 2001 Z28. I know the portential of both.
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! :)

Thats ok I'll be sure to add another one to the loss section for you, "ALL MOTOR"!!!! :devil: :drive:we will just have to find out if you can or not? :judge:

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! :)for what? this is a thread about me beating another Mach1 with more mods then me? although it's an A4 it's equal to mine and it got drug! :jest: I'd like to see what a A4 Mach1 vs an A4 LS1 part for part would be like? like mine for instant? I'm about to get a stall full exhaust and a cam, lets compare price(just for kicks) and then power and ET results? :judge: you know just for kicks! :chug:

Fords automatic overdrive trannys suck, plain and simple! It would probably be less expensive and more prudent to take it out and replace it with a worked over C4 auto than to try and make the 4R70W tranny a decent performance transmission.

Fords automatic overdrive trannys suck, plain and simple! It would probably be less expensive and more prudent to take it out and replace it with a worked over C4 auto than to try and make the 4R70W tranny a decent performance transmission.
The 4R70W tranny is a very good tranny for performance. You just have to put the right size stall converter in. You can rebuild it with stronger parts that will out last and perform a C4 plus you can still keep your Over Drive gear.

We also gotta remember that the A4 Machs have the rev limiter lowered about a thousand rpm vs. the M5, due to the cast crank. And that has a big effect.

you guys are forgetting the fact that the GM OD tranny isn't better then the Ford 4r70w so the comparison has to be bolt on for bolt on,putting the C4 with bad ass stall would have to be matched up to a turbo 350 with a comparable stall! :cool:

Dude, the 4L60-E automatics are WAY WAY better than the AOD/4R70W in terms of stock performance. :judge:

The 4R70W tranny is a very good tranny for performance. You just have to put the right size stall converter in. You can rebuild it with stronger parts that will out last and perform a C4 plus you can still keep your Over Drive gear.
Sorry Dan, but you are never going to convince me of that. I've owned Mustangs of all flavors since about 1969, and this latest crop of Ford automatic transmissions are just plain junk.

If Ford had a passenger car auto trans that could handle a decent torque load, you would have Shelby GT500's available with them, just like back in the day when the C6 and FMX trannys were offered in the big block cars.

Yeah, you might be able to throw a wad of cash at them and beef them up with some exotic parts, but as a production line automatic transmission the 4R70W sucks.

From what I've heard, the 5R55E (the 5spd in the new GTs) is actually very close to 4L60E standards in shift firmness and whatnot. But I've yet to drive an automatic new GT.

Dude, the 4L60-E automatics are WAY WAY better than the AOD/4R70W in terms of stock performance. :judge:uhhh, the stock 4l60 is one of the 2 weak point's in the LS1 cars with the other being the 10 bolt rearend! I have already been advised to go ahead and do a turbo 350 with a Yank stall instead of my 4l60 tranny? but I would like to do a bolt on vs bolt on comparison with a A4 Mach1 if anybody wants to do it for the hell of it? :cool: :engarde:

Omega...I was just refering to his comments in general. Nothing against you or your thread. I have also never heard that the 4l60 is crap or as good as teh FMC. In fact...as I have come to know it....ford for rear end, GM for Auto tranny's.


And I agree with TRMACH.

Omega...I was just refering to his comments in general. Nothing against you or your thread. I have also never heard that the 4l60 is crap or as good as teh FMC. In fact...as I have come to know it....ford for rear end, GM for Auto tranny's.


And I agree with TRMACH.I know bro-ham, I just was reminding him about me winning against the mach1! I had used your reply instead of his by accident! :cool: the 4l60 is only good to about 400rwhp or so but it's a give or take a few type deal? either way I'd like to see or race against a A4 Mach with a stall to see if it makes or gives me more of a race? but like i said I'd like to meet up a A4 Mach owner that is going with similiar mods then me to sort of document things between both cars? :engarde:

Here's a new upload 01' Ws6 manual vs. 03' Mach-1 manual - 15 roll

http://www.fquick.com/videos/Me_Vs__MAch1/2908

01' Ws6 has following mods:
18 inch TT 2's ...CETA mod.Thats about it...
Performance:
Not yet anyway..
Suspension/Chassis:
NONE
Drivetrain:
4.10
Electronics:
10in Mtx thunderform...Thats all ineed...

Video says Mach1 has about the same mods....

It looks CLOSE

Here puny65, I'll save you some time and write the excuses for you...........

1.That guy couldn't drive.
2.Obviously it's just a GT with the Mach pieces glued to it.
3.I swear I heard a blower on that TA.
4.Mach's don't like the daytime.
5.Red Machs are slower than all the others.

Hopefully these will tide you over so there's no need to reply. Yeah right. :rolleyes:

Here's a new upload 01' Ws6 manual vs. 03' Mach-1 manual - 15 roll

http://www.fquick.com/videos/Me_Vs__MAch1/2908

01' Ws6 has following mods:
18 inch TT 2's ...CETA mod.Thats about it...
Performance:
Not yet anyway..
Suspension/Chassis:
NONE
Drivetrain:
4.10
Electronics:
10in Mtx thunderform...Thats all ineed...

Video says Mach1 has about the same mods....

It looks CLOSE
if that was at the track it would have been a great race.that was close and a great race until the top end .we all know the ls1 makes more power

Here puny65, I'll save you some time and write the excuses for you...........

1.That guy couldn't drive.
2.Obviously it's just a GT with the Mach pieces glued to it.
3.I swear I heard a blower on that TA.
4.Mach's don't like the daytime.
5.Red Machs are slower than all the others.

Hopefully these will tide you over so there's no need to reply. Yeah right. :rolleyes:
You're a very bitter man.

if that was at the track it would have been a great race.that was close and a great race until the top end .we all know the ls1 makes more power

Exactly, it's a good thing we're in the street racing forum and he took it up to 130 or else it may have been close.

When i first got my SS about a month ago i took an o4 mach1 m5 from a 20. He jumped me but i passed him and held a car length to 130. All i had at that time was the lid and CME that came on the car from slp. He was the closest race i have had w/ a mustang so far. I guess i have just picked the right ones. I call them out with a lil rev., then spank them on the street. lol . So far i have not been let down.

Oh BTW, I had 3/4 tank of gas, my wife and some groceries in my car. He was alone.

Nice kill..

Dave you should stop drinkin the crazy coolaid and step into reality. They are a close race from a dig with equal drivers. PERIOD!

Also, to the guy who's bro has the mach. What track are ya'll at cause those stock times are slow for both of your cars. I went 13.2 at 109 in a intake, catback, 5 speed Mach. (Stock tires were sort of bald so traction was an issue)

Nice kill..

Dave you should stop drinkin the crazy coolaid and step into reality. They are a close race from a dig with equal drivers. PERIOD!

You keep saying that, but these threads, videos, and my personal experience all say otherwise.

BTW: It's "Kool-Aid." :thumb:

-Dave

You keep saying that, but these threads, videos, and my personal experience all say otherwise.

BTW: It's "Kool-Aid." :thumb:

-Dave
Look I don't drink the shit, the point was you will go on believing what you like true or not, but the fact is your selective hearing makes you look more retarded than we all know you are.

As far as your personal experience goes, that all means nothing once you factor in your terrible outlook on the subject, which could be considered negative at best.

What did your car run with only a lid and catback btw?

[/QUOTE]What did your car run with only a lid and catback btw?[/QUOTE]


If you were talking to me, it ran a 8.90 @ 80.74 w/a 2.04 60ft. I went last week in warmer temps and got 8.76 @83.34 w/a 2.08 60ft. The track is not the greatest.

If you were talking to me, it ran a 8.90 @ 80.74 w/a 2.04 60ft. I went last week in warmer temps and got 8.76 @83.34 w/a 2.08 60ft. The track is not the greatest.
No I was talking to SVOdave, but you can see what I mean by the times you posted.

I went 8.6 in my stock 01 GT (1.90 60') I trapped a very slow 100mph in the 1/4. Imagine what I would have done with a car trapping 106-07. To say that a mach can't run similar times to an LS1 would be stupid.

No I was talking to SVOdave, but you can see what I mean by the times you posted.

I went 8.6 in my stock 01 GT (1.90 60') I trapped a very slow 100mph in the 1/4. Imagine what I would have done with a car trapping 106-07. To say that a mach can't run similar times to an LS1 would be stupid.
Do we have an :applause: smilie? We need one. Good post :judge:

8.6 in a stock 01, that is serious bullshit. 2 valves are slower than your average 4-door v6 family sedan.

8.6 in a stock 01, that is serious bullshit. 2 valves are slower than your average 4-door v6 family sedan.
It was as fast as your car is ugly, but looks just like speed is in the eye of the beholder. 13.50 with a set of nittos showing white stripes isn't bad in my book.

What did your car run with only a lid and catback btw?Been in my sig for 2 yrs. No catback. All season radials.

I went 8.6 in my stock 01 GT (1.90 60') I trapped a very slow 100mph in the 1/4. Imagine what I would have done with a car trapping 106-07. To say that a mach can't run similar times to an LS1 would be stupid.Not so much stupid as it would be accurate. LS1s trap faster than 106-107 all the time. Imagine that. And your "white-striped" Nittos were doing pretty good if you managed a 1.9 60' in a stock GT.

Lets cut the crap shall we?

Generally speaking....

Machs all weigh pretty much the same. They are all geared the same. If every Camaro made came as M6 hardtops and equippped with the 3.42s, the Camaro would win every time. All these Machs claiming it's "a drivers race" are the ones who caught an auto from a roll, pulled a fully optioned vert, just came across a bad driver, etc. There's just too many variables with the F-bodys. If you pull a Mach, you only need to know auto or 5 spd. and that's pretty obvious.

At the track however, the Machs have that steep gearing and a rear end that wont explode which is a HUGE advantage. I remember launching very cautiously when I went to the track so it would live another day.

Anyway, since I drive on the street everyday, I'd much rather have the advantage there. And everytime I race a Mach it reminds me that I do.

hmmmmm never realized this site had so many mustang owners registered, 2 bad most of them don't really post in any tech threads and just troll around the street racing section ready to pop up and defend the mustang if any lsx car beats it, mustang owners are some of the most weird insecure people ive ever met.

my car cld pull alot better times with DRs, i can only launch at 1400 w/o breaking the tires. maybe i will run across another mach1 soon.

Also, to the guy who's bro has the mach. What track are ya'll at cause those stock times are slow for both of your cars. I went 13.2 at 109 in a intake, catback, 5 speed Mach. (Stock tires were sort of bald so traction was an issue)

Well, you have an intake and a catback so that helps some. As well as the fact that this was in California with 91 octane timing reducing fuel. The track was California Speedway in Fontana. The DA that day was 2,398'.

hmmmmm never realized this site had so many mustang owners registered, 2 bad most of them don't really post in any tech threads and just troll around the street racing section ready to pop up and defend the mustang if any lsx car beats it, mustang owners are some of the most weird insecure people ive ever met.

I only registered here to reply to Omega Doom. :angel:

I probably have nothing to contribute to the tech threads because I don't know a thing about the LSx motors. I just know that I like to race and I don't care what I race against. I enjoy it for the rush and excitement win or lose. I choose to do this at the track so I don't care if my car can't pull on a LS1 at 130mph. Actually, now with my 4.56's, I can't go over 120mph in 4th gear anyways :cool:

8.6 in a stock 01, that is serious bullshit. 2 valves are slower than your average 4-door v6 family sedan.
not all of them. 2 of my buddies have ran 8.6's and 8.7's in there GT's with nothing but a cat back and gear change on stock tires.

hmmmmm never realized this site had so many mustang owners registered, 2 bad most of them don't really post in any tech threads and just troll around the street racing section ready to pop up and defend the mustang if any lsx car beats it, mustang owners are some of the most weird insecure people ive ever met.
Pot Meet Kettle!!!

Anyway, since I drive on the street everyday, I'd much rather have the advantage there. And everytime I race a Mach it reminds me that I do.
I guess you need to race me then and get drug on the street, track or where ever.

I only registered here to reply to Omega Doom. :angel:

I probably have nothing to contribute to the tech threads because I don't know a thing about the LSx motors. I just know that I like to race and I don't care what I race against. I enjoy it for the rush and excitement win or lose. I choose to do this at the track so I don't care if my car can't pull on a LS1 at 130mph. Actually, now with my 4.56's, I can't go over 120mph in 4th gear anyways :cool:I sort of feel honored? :cheers:

not all of them. 2 of my buddies have ran 8.6's and 8.7's in there GT's with nothing but a cat back and gear change on stock tires.yea, but they still had a catback and GEARS to get there and they were not factory stock! :confused:

Not so much stupid as it would be accurate. LS1s trap faster than 106-107 all the time. Imagine that. And your "white-striped" Nittos were doing pretty good if you managed a 1.9 60' in a stock GT.


My buddy pulled a 1.9 on stock tires, at stock pressure with a few bolt-ons and 4.10s :judge:.

Not so much stupid as it would be accurate. LS1s trap faster than 106-107 all the time. Imagine that. And your "white-striped" Nittos were doing pretty good if you managed a 1.9 60' in a stock GT.

Lets cut the crap shall we?

Generally speaking....

Machs all weigh pretty much the same. They are all geared the same. If every Camaro made came as M6 hardtops and equippped with the 3.42s, the Camaro would win every time. All these Machs claiming it's "a drivers race" are the ones who caught an auto from a roll, pulled a fully optioned vert, just came across a bad driver, etc. There's just too many variables with the F-bodys. If you pull a Mach, you only need to know auto or 5 spd. and that's pretty obvious.

At the track however, the Machs have that steep gearing and a rear end that wont explode which is a HUGE advantage. I remember launching very cautiously when I went to the track so it would live another day.

Anyway, since I drive on the street everyday, I'd much rather have the advantage there. And everytime I race a Mach it reminds me that I do.
That was well written Dave, I agree with you 100%. Good to look at it from both perspectives.

As far as those nittos go I'm not lying when I say they didn't help much at all , I cut a 2.0 on the stock tires. The weather was just better that day as opposed to when I was on the stock tires and went 13.8@99 (July of 01).

I repeatedly cut 1.90 60's in the Cobra when it was stock, and I currently hold the record for the fastest stock E60 M5. 12.1@116 with a 1.83 60' on the stock 19" rims and tires. Not trying to brag, just telling you that all of these cars can hook, and if I ever drove a F-Body I'm sure I could take it into the 12's stock too. None of these cars are slow, they just need the right people behind the wheel. :thumb:

yea, but they still had a catback and GEARS to get there and they were not factory stock! :confused:
On a great night I'm sure there are a few people that could do it. Like I said above the weather / track prep would be key.

hmmmmm never realized this site had so many mustang owners registered, 2 bad most of them don't really post in any tech threads and just troll around the street racing section ready to pop up and defend the mustang if any lsx car beats it, mustang owners are some of the most weird insecure people ive ever met.
I've had an F-body, a Z06, and have helped build one of the top ten fastest nitrous LS1's in the world. Ask away. :usa:

hmmmmm never realized this site had so many mustang owners registered, 2 bad most of them don't really post in any tech threads and just troll around the street racing section ready to pop up and defend the mustang if any lsx car beats it, mustang owners are some of the most weird insecure people ive ever met.
Yep...you're right. The fact that SLodave constantly makes posts about me and starts crap (notice he made the punygt list, when I hadn't been here in how long?). Let's also over look the fact that SLOdave has been here a full year longer than I have, and has 12 posts to my 88. You are so correct. :zzz: Let's also ignore IRUNELEVENS has 92 posts... :cool:

gentlemen,gentlemen and all other Musclecar gearheaded red blooded American's! please .............just continue to argue about this or that but without the "blue bloods" i have come to learn we would be very "bored" and it could be worse? we could have the "fast & furious" camp in here always poppin' off BS and really being full of shit about everything they say! :cheers:

Yep...you're right. The fact that SLodave constantly makes posts about me and starts crap (notice he made the punygt list, when I hadn't been here in how long?). Let's also over look the fact that SLOdave has been here a full year longer than I have, and has 12 posts to my 88. You are so correct. :zzz: Let's also ignore IRUNELEVENS has 92 posts... :cool:Why do you keep equating post count with intellegence and credibility? I could match your post count tomorrow if I wanted. There are some VERY smart people who post here on a daily basis answering anything you can imagine. Why should I post advice when I only have 2 yrs experience with LS1s? Listen to the guy whos been around for 5 or 10 years. Maybe you should try typing less and reading more.

The reason I post around here is because I owned 7 Mustangs before I bought my Camaro, so I feel I can make a contribution based on EXPERIENCE with this subject. It's just my 2 cents anyway.

why do you keep equating post count with intellegence and credibility? I could match your post count tomorrow if I wanted. There are some VERY smart people who post here on a daily basis answering anything you can imagine. Why should I post advice when I only have 2 yrs experience with LS1s? Listen to the guy whos been around for 5 or 10 years. Maybe you should try typing less and reading more.

The reason I post around here is because I owned 7 Mustangs before I bought my Camaro, so I feel I can make a contribution based on EXPERIENCE with this subject. It's just my 2 cents anyway.
Were any of those 7 Mustangs a 4V Cobra or Mach?

^^come on those arent the only performance motors ford makes

Nope the closest to that was a Bullitt. Got down to a 13.2@103 with 4.10s/catback/ORX then realised that if I wanted to go faster it would cost MEGA$$$! I have 2 close friends with both a Cobra and a Mach though, and they'd both kill me. What a depressing post this is. -Dave

^^come on those arent the only performance motors ford makes
No, but that's how he would have "EXPERIENCE" in this subject. A GT and a Mach are easily 35rwhp apart from the factory, the Mach has better gearing (and LOVES steeper gears), and a better powerband. So you can't really judge what a Mach can or can't do when you only have/had a GT. And if I hadn't driven several Machs (some fairly hard), and several N/A Cobras, I wouldn't be giving my opinion either.

No, but that's how he would have "EXPERIENCE" in this subject. A GT and a Mach are easily 35rwhp apart from the factory, the Mach has better gearing (and LOVES steeper gears), and a better powerband. So you can't really judge what a Mach can or can't do when you only have/had a GT. And if I hadn't driven several Machs (some fairly hard), and several N/A Cobras, I wouldn't be giving my opinion either.Wow 35hp apart! Kinda like a Mach and an LS1 right? I keep hearing how Machs are amazing with their low 13s, but since I was in a Bullitt somehow that doesn't count? But I digress....I've also driven both Cobras and Mach 1s if that now legitimizes my view on both....

The Cobra=Bad Ass.......Mach 1=not that impressed. The End.

And if I hadn't driven several Machs (some fairly hard), and several N/A Cobras, I wouldn't be giving my opinion either.

well you dont seem to have any experience either, since you just sat in them and taken a few joyrides......i would consider experience, owning ,moding driving in traffic/weekend spirited drives,maintenance,weather etc. over a period of time. You cant learn the habits of a car in only 1 day by taking your buddys car for a drive then claim to know the car.

That would make you unqualified. :nod:

well you dont seem to have any experience either, since you just sat in them and taken a few joyrides......i would consider experience, owning ,moding driving in traffic/weekend spirited drives,maintenance,weather etc. over a period of time. You cant learn the habits of a car in only 1 day by taking your buddys car for a drive then claim to know the car.

That would make you unqualified. :nod:
I don't have the experience of an owner, but I do have some. Probably more than half the people that post in these "Mach vs. F-body" threads. From a dig, the cars are VERY close. Period. The LS1s have more up top, the Machs hold their on at lower speeds. And svodave, you should know that a 35rwhp peak difference that turns into 40-50rwhp at redline is a BIG difference. And they have different power curves. They're just two very different powerplants. The best times I've heard for a stock 2V GT and a stock Mach are over half a second apart. I just don't understand how you could be running LS1-capable times in your GT, but can't admit that a Mach (which is just as quick as your GT was, but with higher trap speeds) can run with an LS1.

Wow 35hp apart! Kinda like a Mach and an LS1 right? I keep hearing how Machs are amazing with their low 13s, but since I was in a Bullitt somehow that doesn't count? But I digress....I've also driven both Cobras and Mach 1s if that now legitimizes my view on both....

The Cobra=Bad Ass.......Mach 1=not that impressed. The End.
Just an observation here Davey, your Bullitt, and I quote "Got down to a 13.2@103 with 4.10s/catback/ORX." My Mach 1 ran better than that, stone cold dealership stock. Those same mods and a decent set of tires, which is nowhere near "mega$$$", and I'd be running 12.8's @108+. Right now, with a $500 power adder and some basic bolt-ons, I'm running in the 11's @120 on street tires! Maybe you're not impressed, but my competition sure is!

Just an observation here Davey, your Bullitt, and I quote "Got down to a 13.2@103 with 4.10s/catback/ORX." My Mach 1 ran better than that, stone cold dealership stock. Those same mods and a decent set of tires, which is nowhere near "mega$$$", and I'd be running 12.8's @108+. Right now, with a $500 power adder and some basic bolt-ons, I'm running in the 11's @120 on street tires! Maybe you're not impressed, but my competition sure is!Gee, another nitrous guy. What a suprise. :eyes: And yeah, 12.8s isn't mega$$$, but that's not very fast either. You proved my point which was I'd have to go to a power adder (pricey) of some kind to REALLY be faster. You Mach guys would have to spend several thousand dollars just to break the 400HP mark N/A which is why most of you get the basic bolt-ons and then spray it. It's the "cheapest" way to go fast in a Mach which is why it's so popular. The alternatives are VERY expensive. You said it yourself -with the basic bolt-ons it would probably be in the high 12s- most do just that, then spray their way to 11s. Not rocket science. Congratulate yourself on being right. :thumb: -Dave

There are PLENTY of guys here that spray as well. It doesn't matter how you make the power :judge:

I want some nitrous for my car! :punch:

Gee, another nitrous guy. What a suprise. :eyes: And yeah, 12.8s isn't mega$$$, but that's not very fast either. You proved my point which was I'd have to go to a power adder (pricey) of some kind to REALLY be faster. You Mach guys would have to spend several thousand dollars just to break the 400HP mark N/A which is why most of you get the basic bolt-ons and then spray it. It's the "cheapest" way to go fast in a Mach which is why it's so popular. The alternatives are VERY expensive. You said it yourself -with the basic bolt-ons it would probably be in the high 12s- most do just that, then spray their way to 11s. Not rocket science. Congratulate yourself on being right. :thumb: -Dave
I think his point was that he has gone 13.1's stock, and that would be considered very fast for a stock LS1.

I want some nitrous for my car! :punch:
I think somebody needs to stick about a 100shot up SVODAVE's butt and send him for a ride! :nod:

Why is this thread still going? It just moves from place to another....it's just old. If some one out there has a STOCK which means nothing done, f-body and mach can just put this to an end already. At first I was talking shit like every other ls1 and mach owner, but if you notice no one here is stock to prove other wise. It is always what there car ran stock back when...... It's just time to let it go.

Thread Time of Death 9:20 pm 8-11-07


RIP

Why is this thread still going? It just moves from place to another....it's just old. If some one out there has a STOCK which means nothing done, f-body and mach can just put this to an end already. At first I was talking shit like every other ls1 and mach owner, but if you notice no one here is stock to prove other wise. It is always what there car ran stock back when...... It's just time to let it go.

Thread Time of Death 9:20 pm 8-11-07


RIP get lost fool! this is my thread! :gtfo:

you need to shut the fuck up!!!

I really do not care if you started this thread. You are an asshole for starting it. This topic has been beat to death already. No one here will say that the cars are even or set up a race that can prove otherwise. So why keep going. Why don't you just make you car fast enough to race a car worth a shit.
By the way... FUCK OFF!! :punch:

you need to shut the fuck up!!!

I really do not care if you started this thread. You are an asshole for starting it. This topic has been beat to death already. No one here will say that the cars are even or set up a race that can prove otherwise. So why keep going. Why don't you just make you car fast enough to race a car worth a shit.
By the way... FUCK OFF!! :punch:fuck you bitch! get your faggot ass out of my thread mothafucker! if you don't like it don't reply looking to up your bitchass post count up!..............BITCH! and if you didn't hear me for some reason ....BITCH Go AWAY!...............BITCH! it's always a dumb fuck like you trying to act like a know-it-all bitch that nobody even wants in here, your the stupid little troll waiving his bitch arms in the air screamin' "look at me,look at me" I'm a troll bitch! :gtfo: :eyes:

That's funny.... do you know any other words other than bitch? What a smart guy you are. You must have a masters degree in english. Just face the fact your car is to slow to race anything faster than 13, what a joke!! By the way I can post when and where I want if you have a problem with that then to bad. I know the reply to this is going to be another great example of the way you can use big words like "bitch" and "Mothafucka" so go ahead and show everyone on here how smart you can be.
by the way this is my thread now!!! :hijack:

I think somebody needs to stick about a 100shot up SVODAVE's butt and send him for a ride! :nod:Do you need nitrous to handle all your problems? I see you've got a mile long list of mods that do nothing. Take that 150 shot of the list and your still a 13 second car. What do you dyno without spray? I'll guess 278 RWHP. :eek2:

Nice, keep on killing the slowstangs. Btw where were you saturday? I was at Xtreme.


Your fucken comments are like a 2 year old on here.....


1st E46 m3s are all slow, and not you call mach1s junk?


:mullet: Rember you have a 3rd gen :mullet:

Do you need nitrous to handle all your problems? I see you've got a mile long list of mods that do nothing. Take that 150 shot of the list and your still a 13 second car. What do you dyno without spray? I'll guess 278 RWHP. :eek2:
Would you like to bet your car on it, big man with the big mouth?

You could just be a grown up and tell us what you dyno.

Certainly a hot metal tube with a K&N on the end, combined with a couple mufflers won't do much.

dyno numbers mean nothing.

That's funny.... do you know any other words other than bitch? What a smart guy you are. You must have a masters degree in english. Just face the fact your car is to slow to race anything faster than 13, what a joke!! By the way I can post when and where I want if you have a problem with that then to bad. I know the reply to this is going to be another great example of the way you can use big words like "bitch" and "Mothafucka" so go ahead and show everyone on here how smart you can be.
by the way this is my thread now!!! :hijack:blah,blah,blah but maybe you can understand this...............get out of my thread BITCH! you ain't shit anyways! pick a track here in the dfw area and lets see what you can do? oh and by the way I almost forgot..............Fuck you BITCH!!!!!! :gtfo:

You could just be a grown up and tell us what you dyno.
You seem to be the only one who's interested. But I can tell you you're guess wasn't even within +/- 15rwhp.

Certainly a hot metal tube with a K&N on the end, combined with a couple mufflers won't do much.
LOL! You obviously don't know as much about these cars as you think you do. :gtfo:

I really don't think your car is worth driving a few hundred miles to race. If you don't run 10's then it would just be a waste of gas.
What do you run 12's? When you build your car to run with some real street cars let me know. So when I see you post about a car that you raced that is fast then i'll come to ennis and kick your ass!!!!Why don't you try to race a stock cobra so you can get smoked in your bold-on A4 ws-6.hahahaha :cry: :cry:

LOL! You obviously don't know as much about these cars as you think you do. :gtfo:
Now that is a lie. He has owned seven mustangs...one was a the kickass exptremely quick Bullit. YOu know...the GT + 10 HP and a couple of factory accents. We all know how 270 hp with 3.27s compares with 320hp with 3.55s...and the flow of 4v vs 2v.....that has nothing to do with powerband right?

This guys ignorance on these cars blows me away. I can't believe how narrow minded people can be. The humorous part......the fact that he actually believes he is knowledgeable on these cars.

And to further _zac's point in 'Dyno numbers mean nothing'. I also find it interesting that a mach can run low 13s with 20-30 less RWHP...LOL..cracks me up.


Furthermore - I HONESTLY WANT TO KNOW.....DAVE - How can you say a cobra is impressive, but a mach isn't? You do realize a mach is a few tenths faster than an N/A cobra. (maybe you missed the part where Irunelevens stated N/A cobra? :confused: )

I really don't think your car is worth driving a few hundred miles to race. If you don't run 10's then it would just be a waste of gas.
What do you run 12's? When you build your car to run with some real street cars let me know. So when I see you post about a car that you raced that is fast then i'll come to ennis and kick your ass!!!!Why don't you try to race a stock cobra so you can get smoked in your bold-on A4 ws-6.hahahaha :cry: :cry:scared?........................... BITCH!!! :gtfo:

Why do you keep equating post count with intellegence and credibility? I could match your post count tomorrow if I wanted. There are some VERY smart people who post here on a daily basis answering anything you can imagine. Why should I post advice when I only have 2 yrs experience with LS1s? Listen to the guy whos been around for 5 or 10 years. Maybe you should try typing less and reading more. I was replying to the other posters rationale NOT post count or intellegence. I have NEVER stated that. You are simply putting words in my mouth (which most people due when they are wrong). Other members talk crap on stang owners stating we have crappy post counts and shouldnt' be here.....well, by their rationale, you shouldnt' be here. OR, are they just looking for an excuse to have us not here, and not looking at the fact that we actually DO contribute (or else the mods would have kicked us out).
The reason I post around here is because I owned 7 Mustangs before I bought my Camaro, so I feel I can make a contribution based on EXPERIENCE with this subject. It's just my 2 cents anyway.Um......nope. See other replies. If you actually KNEW about machs and or N/A cobra's I might tend to think you do have experience on the subject, but you don't. YOu have experience with the stangs you have owned.

Therefore, you should have stated this:
The reason I post around here is because I owned 7 Mustangs before I bought my Camaro, so I feel I can make a contribution based on EXPERIENCE with CERTAIN MUSTANGS. It's just my 2 cents anyway.

scared?........................... BITCH!!! :gtfo:
HAHA...you're cracking me up OD.

Gee, another nitrous guy. What a suprise. :eyes: And yeah, 12.8s isn't mega$$$, but that's not very fast either. You proved my point which was I'd have to go to a power adder (pricey) of some kind to REALLY be faster. You Mach guys would have to spend several thousand dollars just to break the 400HP mark N/A which is why most of you get the basic bolt-ons and then spray it. It's the "cheapest" way to go fast in a Mach which is why it's so popular. The alternatives are VERY expensive. You said it yourself -with the basic bolt-ons it would probably be in the high 12s- most do just that, then spray their way to 11s. Not rocket science. Congratulate yourself on being right. :thumb: -Dave


Umm...I was just reading the bickering posts. As GMmexican points out, i'm just a mustang defending troll on here, but I do read and comprehend alot of tech info regarding LSx engines...which gets me to my question/point about your post above:

Isn't nitrous by far and away the most popular power adder for an LSx? :confused:

HAHA...you're cracking me up OD.how bout this one?

how bout this one?
HAHA....now that is funny.


04 TERM - it doesn't matter...he has gone to GM, hates ford, and in turn hates us..he has no open mind and can't admit that there is actually fast stangs, and is the stereotypical brand humper with the excuses of 'well we don't need FI to make power'.

scared?........................... BITCH!!! :gtfo:
Yea that's it... I'm scared to race a car that has edged out a mach 1 by 1 car. I think maybe you took to many hits to the head in you boxing days... your kinda slow, and the only word you seem to remember is BITCH...
I know you can come up with something better than that, call me a motherfucker, asshole, ect.....Get some one to help you write your next post and use some other bad words. Next time shock me with something smart and thought out, and not just some curse words and :gtfo: !!!
So if you have some time I am looking forward to your reply punchy....
Remember lets try to use your head to right the next post... btw your head is that lump 3ft above your ass.... :engarde:

Do we need to get this thread closed?.........

Yea that's it... I'm scared to race a car that has edged out a mach 1 by 1 car. I think maybe you took to many hits to the head in you boxing days... your kinda slow, and the only word you seem to remember is BITCH...
I know you can come up with something better than that, call me a motherfucker, asshole, ect.....Get some one to help you write your next post and use some other bad words. Next time shock me with something smart and thought out, and not just some curse words and :gtfo: !!!
So if you have some time I am looking forward to your reply punchy....
Remember lets try to use your head to right the next post... btw your head is that lump 3ft above your ass.... :engarde:LOL, thats a low blow Miguel Cotto style! :punch: but check this out..... how bout' you take you cockgobblin',assmunchin', felcher,butt pirate wanna be cumdumpster somewhere else! unless your just bored, then proceed Fuckhead! :cheers: oh and did I forget to call you...............BITCH!!!!!!! :nutkick:

Do we need to get this thread closed?.........
Shhh, not yet, it's still got some entertainment value left, granted not much, but OD and Bigv are swapping some good body shots here and there. :punch:

Shhh, not yet, it's still got some entertainment value left, granted not much, but OD and Bigv are swapping some good body shots here and there. :punch:
True, but that's up to the mods.

LOL.


Can't wait to read Dave's reply....oh yeah, I owned a stang here and there and your mother wears army boots, and BTW Mach's suck..just like pUnyGT65 does. :lol:

Yea that's it... I'm scared to race a car that has edged out a mach 1 by 1 car.

99 SS A4 #0636 with all the good sh#t....

So what is "all the good sh#t"? Sounds like you have a brutally fast car...any times, facts, figures?

Isn't nitrous by far and away the most popular power adder for an LSx? :confused:Maybe so, but there's also a "cam-only" list. Ever read it? Whats the "cam-only" list for Machs look like?

Nitrous is basically what Machs resort to after all the bolt-ons are installed and they quickly realize everything else (blower,turbo,etc.) is going to be VERY expensive.

Maybe so, but there's also a "cam-only" list. Ever read it? Whats the "cam-only" list for Machs look like?

Nitrous is basically what Machs resort to after all the bolt-ons are installed and they quickly realize everything else (blower,turbo,etc.) is going to be VERY expensive.


I'll take that as a "yes".

So what do LSx owners "resort to" after all the bolt-ons are installed? :confused:

And I ask again,

So what is "all the good sh#t"? Sounds like you have a brutally fast car...any times, facts, figures?

Probably has a cam, as we all know from the Dallas guys LS1's run 8's with a cam. (stock exhaust)




:jest:

So what do LSx owners "resort to" after all the bolt-ons are installed? :confused:

Heads, cam, intake, etc. 400-500hp N/A. I would hope you already knew that.

Just so you know all of that cost more than a blower, and makes less power on both cars.

Just so you know all of that cost more than a blower, and makes less power on both cars.
He didn't take that into account. With guys like Davey, they think it adds 4 inches to their dick to be able to say "N/A", or "all motor."

At least be honest with yourself.....to do it right you'd get forged internals. So factor in the price of an engine rebuild.

Just so you know all of that cost more than a blower.Summit sells the Vortech kit for $5,300. LS1s H/C/I is less than that, plus you're not driving a ticking time bomb.

LOL, thats a low blow Miguel Cotto style! :punch: but check this out..... how bout' you take you cockgobblin',assmunchin', felcher,butt pirate wanna be cumdumpster somewhere else! unless your just bored, then proceed Fuckhead! :cheers: oh and did I forget to call you...............BITCH!!!!!!! :nutkick:
That's much better...... Now the funny thing is you say this is your thread yet the past few post the only thing you have talked about is what I have told you to.... like I said it's my thread now :hijack:

So what is "all the good sh#t"? Sounds like you have a brutally fast car...any times, facts, figures?


It's an LSx with forged internals and cam, heads, headers, fast 90/90 and a little nitrous..... Thats all, not that fast but faster than OD's T/A..... :nod:

Now that is a lie. He has owned seven mustangs...one was a the kickass exptremely quick Bullit. YOu know...the GT + 10 HP and a couple of factory accents. We all know how 270 hp with 3.27s compares with 320hp with 3.55s...and the flow of 4v vs 2v.....that has nothing to do with powerband right?

This guys ignorance on these cars blows me away. I can't believe how narrow minded people can be. The humorous part......the fact that he actually believes he is knowledgeable on these cars.

My knowledge? Look what YOU wrote douche. 320 hp Mach? I could fill an entire page with your contradictions and misinformation but we keep you around as an example of head in the sand Mustang bliss emotion. Enjoy your "I can slap around GTs all day long" car.

Furthermore - I HONESTLY WANT TO KNOW.....DAVE - How can you say a cobra is impressive, but a mach isn't? You do realize a mach is a few tenths faster than an N/A cobra. (maybe you missed the part where Irunelevens stated N/A cobra? :confused: )When someone says a Cobra is impressive, you can rest assured they're talking about an 03-04.

Damn you're stupid.

My knowledge? Look what YOU wrote douche. 320 hp Mach? I could fill an entire page with your contradictions and misinformation but we keep you around as an example of head in the sand Mustang bliss emotion. Enjoy your "I can slap around GTs all day long" car.
I think the point he was trying to make was that a stock Bullit and a stock Mach 1 are still not quite the same kinda animal... At 310hp, the Mach is significantly stronger than a stock GT across the rev range, and even a bolt-on GT such as mine (which makes about the same peak power) has a totally different powerband.

hmmmmm never realized this site had so many mustang owners registered, 2 bad most of them don't really post in any tech threads and just troll around the street racing section ready to pop up and defend the mustang if any lsx car beats it, mustang owners are some of the most weird insecure people ive ever met.

Not all. I for one always try to post in the drag racing tech section when I can answer a question I can relate to.

SvoDave- when you say H/C/I and 400-500 N/A. Which heads and cam? That's a pretty broad range. Could be anywere from ported 241's (or 214's I forgot), and a magic stick to a good set of aftermarket heads.

Enjoying the bickering... Keep it up. :engarde:

-Mark

Heads, cam, intake, etc. 400-500hp N/A. I would hope you already knew that.

I did. Shut up. I was being a devil's advocate...I would hope you knew that. :naughty:

bigv99SS: It's an LSx with forged internals and cam, heads, headers, fast 90/90 and a little nitrous..... Thats all, not that fast but faster than OD's T/A.....

Sounds like it should be pretty damn stout.

....320 hp Mach?....
Hmm, umm, yo Dave, remember the crack you made about my car making 278rwhp??

Calculate that out, and what does that come to at the crankshaft? 327.085 hp, that's assuming a 15% drivetrain parasitic loss (5-spd), which is widely accepted as very close by most Ford experts in such things.

Very good! So if FORD (not puny65) rates it at 305fwhp, then you add your mods and make 327fwhp, you picked up roughly 22 hp. See how that works?You're really catching on quickly! I'm proud of you. Now could you please talk to puny and set him straight?

No I was talking to SVOdave, but you can see what I mean by the times you posted.

I went 8.6 in my stock 01 GT (1.90 60') I trapped a very slow 100mph in the 1/4. Imagine what I would have done with a car trapping 106-07. To say that a mach can't run similar times to an LS1 would be stupid.

haha... :gtfo:

Nice Kill...

My knowledge? Look what YOU wrote douche. 320 hp Mach? I could fill an entire page with your contradictions and misinformation but we keep you around as an example of head in the sand Mustang bliss emotion. Enjoy your "I can slap around GTs all day long" car.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao:

HOLY CRAP......THANK YOU DAVE...LOL...OMG.....Where do I begin. Hang on..I have to catch my breath from laughing so hard.......








....ok, i'm back. Um Dave...you just showed YOUR ignorance on mach 1s, and you dont' even realize it.......





ok....(I'll take your a$$ to school, **hands Slodave his #2 pencil**).......M5 MACh's put down 265-285 RWHP STOCK...so, we'll take the avg...275....

275/.85=323 FWHP.....OMFG......See that, I even did the correct math for you.



OK..open mouth and insert YOUR FOOT. HAHA....OH MAN...thanks for the Monday Laugh Dave...HAHA..I can't believe this.......I acutally thought you knew something..a little something about machs......come to find out...you know absolutely nothing.


Go ahead...comment on this...so I can take you to school YET AGAIN. :gtfo:

haha... :gtfo:
Well a Mach can run similar times to an LS1, so, um... :confused:

haha... :gtfo:

You care to join svodave in educating the forum on Mach1s?

:corn:

When someone says a Cobra is impressive, you can rest assured they're talking about an 03-04.

Damn you're stupid.
I'm the stupid one?.......Yet you are the one that brought TWO cars into this conversation as your 'examples/experience'. and I am the stupid one......Take out that pencil again.......Class is in session............


NUMBER ONE incorrect example: IRUNELEVENS said 4V Cobra's and Mach's (the topic at hand is Machs....why you would think FI cobra's...I'll never know, but common sense ain't so common anymore), then followed up with N/A cobra's on post #93.

Number TWO incorrect 'experience': You said you have owned seven mustangs, YET, the closest (per your example) was a freakin modded 2V bullit. WOW....you got me there Dave.....the Mach is SO on par with a bullit.

FURTHERMORE - not 'everyone' thinks that. Because some people live in reality and can acknowledge the fact that N/A 4v's are not your avg. stang.


PLEASE keep showing your ignorance on the topic. I am not sure if I am having more fun laughing at your ignorance, or taking you back to pre-school. PULEASE make another comment........My blackboard hasn't been broken in yet. :lol:

....ok, i'm back. Um Dave...you just showed YOUR ignorance on mach 1s, and you dont' even realize it.......





ok....(I'll take your a$$ to school, **hands Slodave his #2 pencil**).......M5 MACh's put down 265-285 RWHP STOCK...so, we'll take the avg...275....

275/.85=323 FWHP.....OMFG......See that, I even did the correct math for you.



OK..open mouth and insert YOUR FOOT. HAHA....OH MAN...thanks for the Monday Laugh Dave...HAHA..I can't believe this.......I acutally thought you knew something..a little something about machs......come to find out...you know absolutely nothing.


Go ahead...comment on this...so I can take you to school YET AGAIN. :gtfo:Okay...so when a stock LS1 car puts down 320rwhp we should go around saying thats 368hp Camaro? You got your numbers wrong and now your upset. Tisk tisk.

Looks like only the short bus goes to your school. :(

You care to join svodave in educating the forum on Mach1s?

:corn:
Cool...I see enrollment increasing in my class....care to be my assistant?

Okay...so when a stock LS1 car puts down 320rwhp we should go around saying thats 368hp Camaro? You got your numbers wrong and now your upset. Tisk tisk.

Looks like only the short bus goes to your school. :(
That's your comeback?....R U serious?......:lol:

Um....the general consensus is 15% drivetrain...obviously cars vary, but 15% is WIDELY accepted for a manual car. so

320/.85=376...SO...no...you are wrong YET AGAIN...it would be 376, not 368.

Dang boy..you fail math too? :gtfo:

:lol: your lame ass used 320*1.15......HAHA....yep.....you are a math genious. :gtfo:

You care to join svodave in educating the forum on Mach1s?

:corn:

I just read over it, I thought he meant that a regular 01 GT ran 13's... I stand corrected. :lurk:

I just got off work, my dog bit me and I'm fucking tired. Cut me some slack.

I'm the stupid one?.......Yet you are the one that brought TWO cars into this conversation as your 'examples/experience'.


NUMBER ONE incorrect example: IRUNELEVENS said 4V Cobra's and Mach's (the topic at hand is Machs....why you would think FI cobra's...I'll never know, but common sense ain't so common anymore), then followed up with N/A cobra's on post #93.

FURTHERMORE - not 'everyone' thinks that. Because some people live in reality and can acknowledge the fact that N/A 4v's are not your avg. stang.

1.)My experience with them comes from lots of reading (except your posts), a friend that owns one, me driving one, and me smoking two.

2.)I couldn't care less about a pre '03 N/A Cobra. They worry me even less than a Mach.

3.)Speaking of school, sounds like you shouldn't have dropped out.

Okay...so when a stock LS1 car puts down 320rwhp we should go around saying thats 368hp Camaro? You got your numbers wrong and now your upset. Tisk tisk.

Looks like only the short bus goes to your school. :(
Maybe not, but most people that know LS1s are underrated don't go around saying that they have 305hp... especially if they dynoed higher than that. Most people that know about the underrating say that the LS1 is a 350hp engine for the most part.

1.)My experience with them comes from lots of reading (except your posts), a friend that owns one, me driving one, and me smoking two. SO you're a magazine racer...Got it. So, your friend owns one, you have 'driven one' and you 'smoked two'?....yep....you are so the expert...LOL.....keep singing that ignorant song jackass.

2.)I couldn't care less about a pre '03 N/A Cobra. They worry me even less than a Mach. HAHA....see last statement above.

3.)Speaking of school, sounds like you shouldn't have dropped out. Um......maybe you can't read either....cause my last few posts, owned your ass. :nod:

Maybe not, but most people that know LS1s are underrated don't go around saying that they have 305hp... especially if they dynoed higher than that. Most people that know about the underrating say that the LS1 is a 350hp engine for the most part.
Don't say that....by his math you are not correct...Let's also not forget teh fact that......he is your typical brand loyal idiot that can't see past his own hood emblem.

I just read over it, I thought he meant that a regular 01 GT ran 13's... I stand corrected. :lurk:

I just got off work, my dog bit me and I'm fucking tired. Cut me some slack.
crybaby.....








:cheers:

I just read over it, I thought he meant that a regular 01 GT ran 13's... I stand corrected. :lurk:


They do.. If you have a 99-04 Gt and you don't go 13's you broke your car.

:nod:

with a name like ponygt65...makes you wonder if he likes to take it in the poop shoot..hahaha... :supergay: :moon: :sack: :turd: :fluffy:

It's an LSx with forged internals and cam, heads, headers, fast 90/90 and a little nitrous..... Thats all, not that fast but faster than OD's T/A..... :nod:maybe faster then my WS6 but not faster then my 90 coupe you stupid lil' fuckstick! bring the shit on out turd buglar or shut the fuck up "attention whore" this is my thread and your just one of my "bitches" working on their people skills! not you may speak trick! 3....2....1








oh I almost forgot eat a dick........................BITCH!!!!!!!!! :321:

with a name like ponygt65...makes you wonder if he likes to take it in the poop shoot..hahaha... :supergay: :moon: :sack: :turd: :fluffy:
Nice first post.. :confused:

Post pics of said Coupe. :cool:

Um....the general consensus is 15% drivetrain..Since our horsepower numbers only vary by 8 and your consensus is merely a "rule of thumb", it's not that big a deal. But, if it makes you feel better....

Interesting how you got the flywheel rating wrong on both the Mach and the Bullitt and you claim to be a numeric genius.:rolleyes:

maybe faster then my WS6 but not faster then my 90 coupe you stupid lil' fuckstick! bring the shit on out turd buglar or shut the fuck up "attention whore" this is my thread and your just one of my "bitches" working on their people skills! not you may speak trick! 3....2....1








oh I almost forgot eat a dick........................BITCH!!!!!!!!! :321:
WOW you have another car that's impressive..... I guess you think you are the only one that has two cars? I was willing to race my DD vs. yours but now you want to get into drag cars and I can do that to... How does a 70 Fastback mustangs sound? If not pick any generation camaro 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th...

Not really worried about your coupe... You fag....You have no idea what your getting into but if you think your coupe is fast enough hopfully 9's or better to make the pass worth the money it takes to get up there and hand you your ass.

You guys give me a headache. So much shit talking for mid to high 8 second
1/8th mile cars. Run that in the 1/4 then start talking... :gruffy: