Street Racing & Kill Stories - I just got killed

So I was going down the interstate and saw a yellow stang. I was bored so I speeded up to catch him. It turns out to be a Mach 1 ('04 to be exact). I figured I would get beat since these are supposed to be a driver's race with LS1's, and I had already been pulled by an '02 WS6 before so I expected the same. Anyways, I pull up beside him (his girl is also in the car) and he rolls down his window. I count down from 3. Then he leaves me sitting, bad. I got up to about 120ish and he was apx. 10-12 cars ahead of me when he shut down. I drive by and give him the thumbs up. Since I had skipped my exit to race him, I take the next one off. He had gotten off as well so we talk for a min at a light. Turns out last time he had dyno'd it it was making 350rwhp, and he said it was probably over 400 now. He also had a 75 shot he didn't even use. Poor me.

Better luck next time lt1.

nice death, now mod the piss out of ur LT1 and show him what a nice SBC can do...

Good Death.

Sounds like you need some mods

BS he used that 75 shot to embaress you and then he said he didnt... i know how it goes ive done it to people too

thats because mach 1s are the ssssshhhhhhhiiiiittt . good death

BS he used that 75 shot to embaress you and then he said he didnt... i know how it goes ive done it to people too

I agree, 10-12 cars, I say he hit it. :nod:

death sux don't it! :bang: he probably made 350rwhp with a 75 hit and 400 with a 125-150 hitter! :devil: fuckin' liar he sprayed you and then did the usual BS! :eek2:

yea, if he was that far up then he prolly hit the juice, how bad did the ws6 beat you? maybe your car needs some work

death sux don't it! :bang: he probably made 350rwhp with a 75 hit and 400 with a 125-150 hitter! :devil: fuckin' liar he sprayed you and then did the usual BS! :eek2:
Maybe if it was BONE STOCK otherwise... :engarde:

So I was going down the interstate and saw a yellow stang. I was bored so I speeded up to catch him. It turns out to be a Mach 1 ('04 to be exact). I figured I would get beat since these are supposed to be a driver's race with LS1's, and I had already been pulled by an '02 WS6 before so I expected the same. Anyways, I pull up beside him (his girl is also in the car) and he rolls down his window. I count down from 3. Then he leaves me sitting, bad. I got up to about 120ish and he was apx. 10-12 cars ahead of me when he shut down. I drive by and give him the thumbs up. Since I had skipped my exit to race him, I take the next one off. He had gotten off as well so we talk for a min at a light. Turns out last time he had dyno'd it it was making 350rwhp, and he said it was probably over 400 now. He also had a 75 shot he didn't even use. Poor me.
Better luck next time lt1.

Stock Machs have been known to put down 300whp with cat-back exhaust and CAI. Ls1 people of all the car people in the world should know about how some manufacturers under rate the engine HP rating on some cars. The OP never mentioned mods...only that the Mach driver claimed 350 whp and was probably over 400 now. Why is it so hard to beleive that he didn't spray the 75 shot?

Stock Machs have been known to put down 300whp with cat-back exhaust and CAI. Ls1 people of all the car people in the world should know about how some manufacturers under rate the engine HP rating on some cars. The OP never mentioned mods...only that the Mach driver claimed 350 whp and was probably over 400 now. Why is it so hard to beleive that he didn't spray the 75 shot?

I don't think so, maybe he's a bad driver, rofl.

think about it, most ls1s put down 300whp average. Even at 350hp on the mach, he's still 200-300 pounds heavier right?

that's not 10-12 cars.

ya 10-12 cars is spraying. i've ran a 400hp mach and it will slowly pull on me. not enough to make that difference

I don't think so, maybe he's a bad driver, rofl.

think about it, most ls1s put down 300whp average. Even at 350hp on the mach, he's still 200-300 pounds heavier right?

that's not 10-12 cars.

I guess i'm having a bad day and missed what the OP was driving. :confused:

a 400 hp mach will put 10 cars on a full bolt on ls1 let alone an lt1. I am sure he had gears too..............and to get 400 on motor out of the mach he had to of had and aftermarket intake maybe even cams.

Don't sweat it man. At least it was a Mach and not a GT.

Now start modding. Head, cam, headers, gears, etc.

I wasn't much of a mod guy at first, though I was the sh!t with my bone stock c5 with a filter and cat-back. Then one day reality flew past me like I was tied to a tree. Then it started.

quick question. so would your average Mach 1 with full bolt-ons be putting down around the same as an ls1 w/ same mods. 330-350rwhp? to get 400rw out of the mach 1 does it need internal work? excluding nitrous..

quick question. so would your average Mach 1 with full bolt-ons be putting down around the same as an ls1 w/ same mods. 330-350rwhp? to get 400rw out of the mach 1 does it need internal work? excluding nitrous..
I've seen a few Machs with full bolt-ons (longtubes are a must) put down 300-320rwhp. I would think it would take ported heads and a good set of cams to get 400rwhp on motor.

a 400 hp mach will put 10 cars on a full bolt on ls1 let alone an lt1. I am sure he had gears too..............and to get 400 on motor out of the mach he had to of had and aftermarket intake maybe even cams.
lol, dude what are you smoking, im sorry but if a ls1 has full bolt ons and a mach is at 400 horse he aint taking you by 10 cars

Depends on how long the race is. If it's from a stop (and the Mach can hook up) with stock gearing for both cars, the Mach would be quite a bit ahead by the end of the 1/4.

... Poor me.

Better luck next time lt1.



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I could see a bone stock LT1 get left by 10 cars by a 400 horsepower mach,maybe thats just me.

lol, dude what are you smoking, im sorry but if a ls1 has full bolt ons and a mach is at 400 horse he aint taking you by 10 cars

have you raced one? I have raced many machs with 300-315 and we are very good races. I usually win but......add 100hp....yeah I think it will be about 10 cars. my brother has 432 in his mach and well he was 8 cars out and pulling when he shut down. granted that n2o compared to motor. and from 40 rolls.

from a dig a mach wouldn't need 350 to put 10 cars on me.

Yea thats my only issue witht he story. We all know a bolt on and cammed ls1 can hit 400 rwhp. However cant he same be said about a mach? I have seen a couple cammed and bolt-on Machs hit 350 rwhp , so I guess 400 rwhp NA would be attainable but are there heads out there that are that far superior over the stock ones that would gain an additional 50 rwhp or so? 10-12 cars is a TON though and I cant see that happened with 100 rwhp difference between the two cars.

yeah I agree 10 is a lot, but your talking about getting beat that bad who is counting car lengths? also.....my opinion is based on the mach having gears and the ls1 not. b.c I haven't seen any ls1s around here with gears. and I would agree it would talk some motor work to get to 400 na.

He juiced lol Now you need a bigger juice for next time :)

a full bolt on ls1 isnt going to dyno 315 horse and and a built motor (432) isnt a bolt on, a full bolt on could range in the 340's-350's from what ive seen, and a 350 horse ls1 and a 400 horse mach, hes not getting 10 cars, and full bolt ons would mean the ls1 would be geared

Will SOMEONE confirm what the Op was driving, PLEASE. Where the hell did the LS1 come from. It clearly says LT1. T not S.

Did i miss something??

00silvergtp said that 400 horse mach's will kill a full bolt on ls1 by 10 lengths, so i was letting him know it isnt happening, they would win but not by 10 lengths

you musnt have read BETWEEN the lines, we jacked his thread a little bit but i had to defend the ls1

Depends on how long the race is. If it's from a stop (and the Mach can hook up) with stock gearing for both cars, the Mach would be quite a bit ahead by the end of the 1/4.


i dunno..ive seen a full bolt on m6 ls1 beat a 03 cobra with exhaust and bfgs...id say the cobra must be quite abit faster then the mach.

ive never been really impressed with machs..they always say its a drivers race..ever since i got my car i havnt lost to one.. maybe they all suck @ driving i guess. my car was bone stock to the paper filter wen i got it btw...

i dunno..ive seen a full bolt on m6 ls1 beat a 03 cobra with exhaust and bfgs...id say the cobra must be quite abit faster then the mach.

ive never been really impressed with machs..they always say its a drivers race..ever since i got my car i havnt lost to one.. maybe they all suck @ driving i guess. my car was bone stock to the paper filter wen i got it btw...
Well first of all Machs weigh less than Cobras, and have a solid axle out back. I can't comment on the race you saw, because I wasn't there. If a Mach had 400rwhp, it would be faster than an '03 Cobra with exhaust and BFGs. :judge:

If a Mach had 400rwhp, it would be faster than an '03 Cobra with exhaust and BFGs. :judge:You sure? That Cobra may be around 430 HP or so with a ton of torque to move its portly ass.

You sure? That Cobra may be around 430 HP or so with a ton of torque to move its portly ass.
A Cobra with just catback will be around 385rwhp. So less power, more weight, and IRS...

00silvergtp said that 400 horse mach's will kill a full bolt on ls1 by 10 lengths, so i was letting him know it isnt happening, they would win but not by 10 lengths

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/03394027-5a2d-4a12-8ed2-997501477121.htm

the first race is with a mach1 that put down 301 no gears. I won by 2 cars. the camera car is a ss that put down 352 (full bolt on). the last race......now pay attention. I am racing the ss and if you look on the other side of me you will briefly see a mach way a head of us. 423rwhp and he gave us the hit. you count the cars....................

you are the type of person that gives ls1tech a bad name. your car is not almighty..............

sorry I hijacked your thread.....just drives me nuts when respect isn't given where its due......

There's no reason a 400 rwhp Mach 1 shouldn't put about 10 cars on a stockish LT1 up to 120mph, depending on where they started and the drivers. If he was honest about the power, he probably didn't spray.

A respectable death. Time for mods.

A Cobra with just catback will be around 385rwhp. So less power, more weight, and IRS...
1.I've heard some of those dyno around 390-410 hp stock. :confused:
2.The sick torque helps with the weight issue.
3.That IRS can hook pretty good on the street. Remember the pic of that black Cobra pullin' the front wheels in MM&FF? (I think it was in that "street racing" issue.)

1.I've heard some of those dyno around 390-410 hp stock. :confused:
2.The sick torque helps with the weight issue.
3.That IRS can hook pretty good on the street. Remember the pic of that black Cobra pullin' the front wheels in MM&FF? (I think it was in that "street racing" issue.)
385-390 is the highest I've EVER seen for a stock dyno. Most are in the 370-380rwhp range And IRS *can* hook well, but live axle is still better.

have you raced one? I have raced many machs with 300-315 and we are very good races. I usually win but......add 100hp....yeah I think it will be about 10 cars. my brother has 432 in his mach and well he was 8 cars out and pulling when he shut down. granted that n2o compared to motor. and from 40 rolls.

from a dig a mach wouldn't need 350 to put 10 cars on me.

Yes I've raced one and I've seen a intake/full exhaust LS1 at 340whp pull on a procharged mach 1 with 405whp multiple times. both of them are my friends and i can video if you want

And no way I'm saying that the Mach won't pull the LT1, but not by 10-12 cars esp from a roll

So I was going down the interstate and saw a yellow stang. I was bored so I speeded up to catch him. It turns out to be a Mach 1 ('04 to be exact). I figured I would get beat since these are supposed to be a driver's race with LS1's, and I had already been pulled by an '02 WS6 before so I expected the same. Anyways, I pull up beside him (his girl is also in the car) and he rolls down his window. I count down from 3. Then he leaves me sitting, bad. I got up to about 120ish and he was apx. 10-12 cars ahead of me when he shut down. I drive by and give him the thumbs up. Since I had skipped my exit to race him, I take the next one off. He had gotten off as well so we talk for a min at a light. Turns out last time he had dyno'd it it was making 350rwhp, and he said it was probably over 400 now. He also had a 75 shot he didn't even use. Poor me.

Better luck next time lt1.

Don't feel bad. I raced one from a roll about a year ago, and I only got about a car length on him by 120, and I have mods. Those Mach's are quite quick with the right driver, and even more so with mods. I've seen them do mid 12's at the track all day long. At least you didn't let a riced out Honda beat you.

Yes I've raced one and I've seen a intake/full exhaust LS1 at 340whp pull on a procharged mach 1 with 405whp multiple times. both of them are my friends and i can video if you want

And no way I'm saying that the Mach won't pull the LT1, but not by 10-12 cars esp from a roll
Wow... that guy must be t3h suck at driving :judge:

LT1 got killed! end of story.

OP,time to mod the ol' iron block thumper.

Yes I've raced one and I've seen a intake/full exhaust LS1 at 340whp pull on a procharged mach 1 with 405whp multiple times. both of them are my friends and i can video if you want

And no way I'm saying that the Mach won't pull the LT1, but not by 10-12 cars esp from a roll

don't post it and save your friend the embarrasment. my brothers mach1 pulls modded ls1s all day long on motor (299). and that is from 40 rolls. it would only get worse from a dig. I am not saying thats going to happen everytime. my bro is the best driver I have ever seen and his mach1 runs better than any I have seen. he beat me by 5-6 from a dig and we should be close from a roll.

00silvergtp you keep changing the scenario, a FULL bolt on LS1 VS A 400HP mach1, that is the race, not 420 horse not 432, 400, it will not take a full bolt on ls1 by 10, i dont care what you think, you give ls1 tech a bad name my being a nut hugger, i respect power but not stupidity, so :swing: quit changing what you said its a FULL BOLT ON LS1 vs a 400 horse mach and its not 10 cars

haaha, shits getting deeper, "my brothers the best driver i have ever seen" "and is mach runs the best ive ever seen a mach run" come on man, do you get out much? Those statements are so biased

A 400WHP Mach will not be 10 cars ahead of a bolt-ons LS1 after 1320 feet unless one driver is drunk. Get real. That is all.

Will SOMEONE confirm what the Op was driving, PLEASE. Where the hell did the LS1 come from. It clearly says LT1. T not S.

Did i miss something??

You sir are correct. It's an LT1. Still, if he's a 6sp, they put down 270-285whp, still don't see him pulling 10-12 cars with 350whp mach. We still have 200-300 pounds on em. An auto with 273s, maybe. Like I said, auto, possibly. My auto 2.73 put down 265 stock. It was a slug out of the whole, but man, 2.73s are nice in 3rd, rofl.

And everyone changing the power around, rofl.

It's a 350whp mach according to the OP, and he said with a 75shot of juice, the guys said he should be over 400whp. So it's not 400whp N/A.

your right man.....sorry. I used 423 bc thats the only 400hp mach I know of. anytime your in ohio hit me up and I will enlighten you.

385-390 is the highest I've EVER seen for a stock dyno. Most are in the 370-380rwhp range And IRS *can* hook well, but live axle is still better.
irs tends to hook better on the street than a solid axle. the track is a different story

Well here I am lol.....seems to be a lot of talk going on about Mach 1's on here especially mine. Me or my brother have no reason to lie. That video you guys watched with me walking those 350 rwhp from a 40 roll was with me giving them the hit and I quit at 110 mph and I was 8+ cars out they went to 130 + mph and you saw how long it took form me to come back in to the picture. From a dig it would have been sad.....extremely sad. For instance Linn.35 that posts on here his H/C/I and geared LS-1 that made 440 rwhp N/A and ran 11.80 at 118 mph....we did a 40 roll and going into 4th I had 3+ cars on him and pulling hard when I snapped my input shaft....we also have video of that but its blurry and short. Also from a 40 roll I have beat a couple 500 rwhp Cobras that trapped 120 +. You guys are cracking hard on my nbrother when he is speaking the truth. I love Ls-1's all my friends have them my girl has a bad SS it runs great my brothers car runs very strong but LS-1's are roll cars and everybody that owns one has to agree!! Like my brother said (oosilvergtp) anytime you guys are in Ohio I will come out for fun and have some friendly races with whoever.....

Well here I am lol.....seems to be a lot of talk going on about Mach 1's on here especially mine. Me or my brother have no reason to lie. That video you guys watched with me walking those 350 rwhp from a 40 roll was with me giving them the hit and I quit at 110 mph and I was 8+ cars out they went to 130 + mph and you saw how long it took form me to come back in to the picture. From a dig it would have been sad.....extremely sad. For instance Linn.35 that posts on here his H/C/I and geared LS-1 that made 440 rwhp N/A and ran 11.80 at 118 mph....we did a 40 roll and going into 4th I had 3+ cars on him and pulling hard when I snapped my input shaft....we also have video of that but its blurry and short. Also from a 40 roll I have beat a couple 500 rwhp Cobras that trapped 120 +. You guys are cracking hard on my nbrother when he is speaking the truth. I love Ls-1's all my friends have them my girl has a bad SS it runs great my brothers car runs very strong but LS-1's are roll cars and everybody that owns one has to agree!! Like my brother said (oosilvergtp) anytime you guys are in Ohio I will come out for fun and have some friendly races with whoever.....
Your car is definately bad ass (on the juice) and you are obviously a good driver, I just wish Ohio wasn't 6 hours away. I freakin love Mach 1's! Keep on truckin.

Well here I am lol.....seems to be a lot of talk going on about Mach 1's on here especially mine. Me or my brother have no reason to lie. That video you guys watched with me walking those 350 rwhp from a 40 roll was with me giving them the hit and I quit at 110 mph and I was 8+ cars out they went to 130 + mph and you saw how long it took form me to come back in to the picture. From a dig it would have been sad.....extremely sad. For instance Linn.35 that posts on here his H/C/I and geared LS-1 that made 440 rwhp N/A and ran 11.80 at 118 mph....we did a 40 roll and going into 4th I had 3+ cars on him and pulling hard when I snapped my input shaft....we also have video of that but its blurry and short. Also from a 40 roll I have beat a couple 500 rwhp Cobras that trapped 120 +. You guys are cracking hard on my nbrother when he is speaking the truth. I love Ls-1's all my friends have them my girl has a bad SS it runs great my brothers car runs very strong but LS-1's are roll cars and everybody that owns one has to agree!! Like my brother said (oosilvergtp) anytime you guys are in Ohio I will come out for fun and have some friendly races with whoever.....


Ok it seems like you have a bad ass Mach. They are sweet. I just have a couple of questions for my own info. How much power do you car make N/A? I see 350 then 432. Hell maybe I'm tired so if I missed it I'm sorry. The next question is when you beat the Cobra's where you spraying your car and if so what size shot? Just curious. I once again apologize if I missed this info. To the OP good Death. Just mod up.

he makes 300 rwhp na.....and was spraying a 150 shot against the cobras. he makes 423 with the 150 shot.

Ok cool. THanks

Thanks for the compliments guys....its nice to see LS-1 owners and Mach owners get along it makes it more fun they are both badass cars I love both...I consider myself luck having the best of both worlds right outside my house (girls 01 SS)!! Also when i raced that Cobra I knew it was going to be close but I sprayed a 150 shot and sprayed at 1200 psi!!! I pulled 2 cars from 45-125!! I had 25 psi in my DR's and shot completely sideways, the spray hit extremely hard.

Its good to hear some MACH guys chime in as they have the cars and know how they perform, but back to the original posters question. He is a bolt on LT1 6-speed (probably makes 275-285 rwhp and 300+ rwtq) versus an N/A Mach who didnt spray but claims 400 rwhp...the thing is a difference of a little over 100 rwhp isnt going to equate to 10-12 cars, sure the Mach most definately smoked him but I bet he sprayed as again i havent seen a 400 rwhp N/A mach yet (not saying they dont exist, just saying they arent the norm), so the original poster is trying to figure out did he get sprayed, I say YES...commence arguments lol!

Well...a couple of years ago before my CAI and tune...my buddy had a 97 Z-28 A4 car it had full exhaust hot cam 3:73's CAI and tune made 285 rwhp it ran 13.30 at 104 I walked him bad from a dig 5+ cars and pulling hard from a 40 roll it was real bad. I bet I only made 285 rwhp then...we have video from then but it was from behind and I wouldnt even know where to look as like i said it was a long time ago.

Well...a couple of years ago before my CAI and tune...my buddy had a 97 Z-28 A4 car it had full exhaust hot cam 3:73's CAI and tune made 285 rwhp it ran 13.30 at 104 I walked him bad from a dig 5+ cars and pulling hard from a 40 roll it was real bad. I bet I only made 285 rwhp then...we have video from then but it was from behind and I wouldnt even know where to look as like i said it was a long time ago.

Was his car broke? I went 13.4 at 104 with just intake and exhaust, stock tune, stock gears, no cam, and I'm a vert lol

:huh: Yeah a full bolt-on and a hot cammed LT1 should be in the 340-360 at least.

i think the wide variation in driving skill is being discounted here

I dunno thats we all thought to it was an A4 car it needed stalled bad!! His tune did suck.

I dunno thats we all thought to it was an A4 car it needed stalled bad!! His tune did suck.

If your referring to the LT1 than yeah that explains it.

If your referring to the LT1 than yeah that explains it.

Yes I am

Op, good death. Let the modding begin.

Corey, you definetly beat some cars that you shouldn't. Damn good driving.

There's a lot of question about a Mach hitting 400 rwhp N/A. It can happen but it's not easy or cheap.

All depends on the setup. LT1's can be just as potent as ls1's with the right setup. Same thing with mach's. Ive seen some really fast mach's and some not so fast. One local guy had a pro-charged mach which made over 400 rwhp and torque and was a quick car but didnt have the supporting mods (suspension, tires, etf) to do anything with it. Then there is the other end of the spectrum. Ran a mach in my cammed 98 z28 and got completely ripped apart by a bolt on mach with spray. He was jetted for a 125 shot but had everything to make used of it (suspension, rear end upgrade, all bolt-ons, drag radials, lightened) and my god I couldnt believe how fast the car was. He was making about 50-60 rwhp more than me at the time but he just had the car set up right and knew how to row the gears killed me. Setup means a lot.

All depends on the setup. LT1's can be just as potent as ls1's with the right setup. Same thing with mach's. Ive seen some really fast mach's and some not so fast. One local guy had a pro-charged mach which made over 400 rwhp and torque and was a quick car but didnt have the supporting mods (suspension, tires, etf) to do anything with it. Then there is the other end of the spectrum. Ran a mach in my cammed 98 z28 and got completely ripped apart by a bolt on mach with spray. He was jetted for a 125 shot but had everything to make used of it (suspension, rear end upgrade, all bolt-ons, drag radials, lightened) and my god I couldnt believe how fast the car was. He was making about 50-60 rwhp more than me at the time but he just had the car set up right and knew how to row the gears killed me. Setup means a lot.

man you couldn't have said it better. its funny seeing people argue about this stuff. I see a mach with 50-75 less hp beat cars he shouldn't all the time. and everyone thinks I am nuts. its all about the setup.

SETUP IS EVERYTHING!!!!!! cant be said in any better fashion!!

I love Ls-1's all my friends have them my girl has a bad SS it runs great my brothers car runs very strong but LS-1's are roll cars and everybody that owns one has to agree!! Not true! Its just that stupid 10 bolt that they put that everybodys worried about launching from a stop.That sucks about the input shaft and that is some crazy ass torque numbers on that shot!!! Im thinking of going to 150 shot myself instead of saving money for a turbo.