Generation III External Engine - Ditched the K&N

So I finally got tired of cleaning the damn k&n filter.
Took a little trip to autozone and got me a fram filter
and a pcv valve and a some tb cleaner. I get home
and replace the filter and pcv, clean the tb,maf,maf
screen, and lid. After replacing everything I start the
car and notice that my exhaust sounds a little deeper.
Maybe it was doing more harm than good. Not worried
or anything just glad I got rid of it.
(Free filter anyone?)

You got tired of cleaning the filter every 30k-50k miles? lol

I threw mine away also. I went the paper route.

You got tired of cleaning the filter every 30k-50k miles? lol

It was more like every two weeks.:eek2:

Yea I didn't want to worry about getting oil on my maf so I just bought a paper filter and never looked back.

Yea I didn't want to worry about getting oil on my maf so I just bought a paper filter and never looked back.

+1, went paper the day after i bought it. Hell for only $5 I buy one everytime i race at the track.

Paper filter is the way to go.

Ditched mine years ago.

You guys are such rebels. :headbang:

I always had the impression that the K&N's collected more dirt. Mine does a pretty good job. I mean If the filter didnt get dirty then I would be worried that its all getting past it.

Dirt gets stopped by the paper filters better. You might lose 1hp with paper, but the oil in the k&n makes the dirt stick and oily dirt can get past the k&n. You see the dirt on the k&n because it sticks to the oil where as the paper it just bounces off.

Tim

yea, i just looked at mine, its going in the trash

I just took a peek at my holley powershot filter.. i can't believe how FILTHY it is! And i just cleaned it last month.. (under 2k miles ago) I'm thinking of goin the paper route as well...

Another switch to paper here.

My powershot isn't that dirty...

Is it REALLY worth it to throw it away and get paper?

:(

I agree with the others. I have a KN, but the owner before me decided to chop up the lower part of the airbox. It sucks up a shit ton of dirt. I was suprised when I saw how dirty it was. Cleaning it took forever.

Dirt gets stopped by the paper filters better. You might lose 1hp with paper, but the oil in the k&n makes the dirt stick and oily dirt can get past the k&n. You see the dirt on the k&n because it sticks to the oil where as the paper it just bounces off.

Tim

Where does it bounce off to?

I am missing the logic here. If the washable K&N is showing dirt with the frequency mentioned - so is the paper element. This is like a debate over carpet vs hard wood. Both are getting dirty but one shows it and one hides it.

I have never understood the mystery behind washing and re-oiling a K&N. It really is not that tough to do.

To each his own, this debate is as old as the air getting filtered.

I have been using K&N for over 10 years in 2 different street/strip drag race cars with excellent results. You guys are missing the point of having a free flowing filter with good filtration.

Saying this not because I think it changes anybodys mind, been running K&N's since I had cars to put them in. Domestic, exotic, track and off-road. Have never had a problem. Swapped my OEM paper back in when I go out on the beach in the outer banks, not because I trust it more. I run my K&N down and back and goop the paper one up with sand while I'm there for a week or two.

Never been one to believe something (either way) just because its repeated on the internet.
Does anybody really think this company would still be in business if they were blowing up motors?

I have been using K&N for over 10 years in 2 different street/strip drag race cars with excellent results. You guys are missing the point of having a free flowing filter with good filtration.

bingo,,,all for the sake of being lazy. Im lazy too, but not that lazy. I only do about 5000 miles a year too, so i dont mind a cleaning once in a while,,,they do suck the air pretty hard when you stick your hand up there, compared to a paper filter which dosnt seem to have the suction. To each his own.

i have a k&n as well never let me down!! +1 k&n

i have a K&N, ive got the FRAM done so it gets dirty, i clean it. i overly oil soak it. never had a problem w/ a maf to date.

I have been using K&N for over 10 years in 2 different street/strip drag race cars with excellent results. You guys are missing the point of having a free flowing filter with good filtration.

:D I oil mine.................lightly..very..lightly.. ALL the builders use a KN.filter.

I have a K&N because it came with my car. Otherwise I'd probably just rock the paper filter. It look like the paper ones would do a better job trapping shit, but that's just me.

I do know this, I wipe my A$$ with paper and most surgeons use gauze for the really important stuff...... just a thought.

I do know this, I wipe my A$$ with paper and most surgeons use gauze for the really important stuff...... just a thought.

Do surgeons clean the used guaze, oil it then re-use it?

I do know this, I wipe my A$$ with paper and most surgeons use gauze for the really important stuff...... just a thought.
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i have washed mine so many times it is white and black it get really dirty were my ram air cut out is but i never oil it

had a k + n, sold it with a lid, went back to the paper filter. if you give me a k and n THATS CLEAN i'd use it, but i'm not paying 65 bucks for a friggin filter.

Do surgeons clean the used guaze, oil it then re-use it?

this is quite the dumbest fucking thing i've ever heard, but it's close. there are sanitation reaon why this is impossible...an LS1 is slightly less suseptible to infection than a human being.

this is quite the dumbest fucking thing i've ever heard, but it's close. there are sanitation reaon why this is impossible...an LS1 is slightly less suseptible to infection than a human being.

lol :D

have used only paper filters here, i see no point in wasting that much money on a air filter that does nothing for my car but get oil all over my MAF

never really heard anybody getting there MAF messed up b.c of the oil,jus dont oil it so much.....
$65 is worth it, instead of buying a new paper filter every week or two...$5 builds up...
+1 for K&N

Another guy who ditched his K&N for a paper

Do surgeons clean the used guaze, oil it then re-use it?
They will if it's made by K&N.

Another guy who ditched his K&N for a paper

+1 :chug:

my car came with a k&n....after the 12k that i put on it it still looks clean, no black crud or build up of any kind and it still has that nice pinkish red color, like the center a rare steak, to it...lord only knows the last time it was cleaned, but it still looks new to me. no MAF problems, plenty of air flow, no debris in my intake or valley...can't argue with that :)

never really heard anybody getting there MAF messed up b.c of the oil,jus dont oil it so much.....
$65 is worth it, instead of buying a new paper filter every week or two...$5 builds up...
+1 for K&N

You were buying paper filters every couple of weeks?

I have both to ease my laziness. I toss in the paper when i'm cleaning the K&N (always take a day or two when i get busy, forgetting and all)
I like the K&N, my pop's who has been a tech on race teams, worked for OEM's, and built plenty of diff platforms has used them forever. Why should I not trust them?

The only downside of the K&N is the potential for the oil to contaminate the MaF. Personally, I use one of the new EA filters from Amsoil. Good for 100k and no oil needed. Filters better than paper too.

They will if it's made by K&N.

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My car came with the KN. I really don't see why people would switch over. I know it takes a while to clean / let it dry, but why go buy a new one?

Same reason some people cook and some people order pizza/chinese, ect. Convinience and/or laziness.

K&N filters make aftermarket lid fitment even worse

k&n are a proven product but require some maintanance

k&n are a proven product but require some maintanance
I agree 100%, and i think if anyone is getting oil on their MAF then they are putting on too much oil,i have never heard of this happening. Just a very slight mist will do plenty.

I have the Donaldson Blackwing in my vette and the Accel cool blue in the trans am. Both are same a K&N and never had a problem with either. I like having a filter with the oil because the oil will catch the tiny dust particles. I know this from having ATVs, you never want to go play in the dirt with your atv unless you have the filter oiled. Works the same way with the K&N type filters.

All about the paper:):)

I got mine for free IIRC. A guy I used to work with bought it for a vette and sold the car. It's a different part# but K&N specs show the bottom of the element slightly thicker.
It's been at least two years in my SS and it's still like new, fit's good.

k&n are a proven product but require some maintanance

how so? you gain no power and theyre expensive as hell.

can you honestly say there is a NOTICEABLE difference driving with K&N over paper?

I don't know where some of you guys are buying your air filters.

I see paper filters going for 14-22 dollars, I paid $34.00 for my K&N and thats it for the life of my car.
I have the K&N because I know I am always 20 minutes away from a perfectly clean filter.
If Nascar runs restrictor plates to slow their vehicles down..... why would I run anything restrictive in my car??
I DO NOT believe what I hear, I trust what I know personally.
I know I have never had a problem with a K&N and I've been running them in everything for longer than the ages of most on this board.

It has become popular to trash this product and that popularity has gained momentum for some of the dumbest reasons I've ever heard.
- It's gauze
- It's hard to oil
- Its hard to clean

If an individual finds cleaning and re-oiling this filter "difficult".... I'd hate to think what other challenges they are facing on a daily basis.

Opening ketchup bottles, winding watches, personal hygiene.....

Damn these haunting tasks!!! Will they never end!!! Now I have to peel a potato!!

I don't know where some of you guys are buying your air filters.

I see paper filters going for 14-22 dollars, I paid $34.00 for my K&N and thats it for the life of my car.
I have the K&N because I know I am always 20 minutes away from a perfectly clean filter.
If Nascar runs restrictor plates to slow their vehicles down..... why would I run anything restrictive in my car??
I DO NOT believe what I hear, I trust what I know personally.
I know I have never had a problem with a K&N and I've been running them in everything for longer than the ages of most on this board.

It has become popular to trash this product and that popularity has gained momentum for some of the dumbest reasons I've ever heard.
- It's gauze
- It's hard to oil
- Its hard to clean

If an individual finds cleaning and re-oiling this filter "difficult".... I'd hate to think what other challenges they are facing on a daily basis.

Opening ketchup bottles, winding watches, personal hygiene.....

Damn these haunting tasks!!! Will they never end!!! Now I have to peel a potato!!

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1 K&N filter = a life time
all you got to do is clean it....

I have never oiled mine. Just shake to get the dirt out until clean and place back in. I do have a low mileage car that is basically used to get to and from the track.

In our bench testing, we found the cotton reusable style filter flow a little better when dirty compared to a dirty paper filter but very close when both are new.

We've been using the Racer's Choice reusable filters with our new 85mm Air Lids and FTRA's and they work just as well as K&N's for a lot less money :)

How come nobody ever reps the Amsoil cleanable filters?

My K&N was great but, since I live down a dirt road, it got dirty really often and kinda pissed me off.

So I ordered one of Amsoil's filters and now all I have to do is bust out the ol' shop vac if it ever gets dirty.....




Fits fine with my SLP lid, too.

In our bench testing, we found the cotton reusable style filter flow a little better when dirty compared to a dirty paper filter but very close when both are new.

We've been using the Racer's Choice reusable filters with our new 85mm Air Lids and FTRA's and they work just as well as K&N's for a lot less money :)

what was the power gain with the K&N filter? 000.1rwhp

Okay, well, I thought that I would fan the flames of what will be a 1000 page thread....

I switched back to paper as well. There is just no way any oil-able filter is going to do as good a job as the paper filters - you can even see light through the small holes in the oil-able type! As for performance, IN OUR CARS there is practically zero performance loss from running a paper one. Perhaps in other cars, the K&N makes a difference, but not here. End of story.

I've never had a problem with oil on the maf or fitment issues. Maybe people are being too generous with the oil. I have 2 K&N filters when one gets dirty I take it off and replace it with the clean one. That way I can clean the dirty one whenever I have time, then make sure it's dry before I reoil it. It would have been cheaper to have an extra paper filter to do the same thing, but I wasn't thinking the day I purchased the second K&N.

A K&N or whatever style filter is not going to make any more power when everything is new and clean. However, test a K&N style versus a paper filter after 10,000 miles or when they are slightly dirty and see what happens.

You can mock up your own test with a fan, leaf blower or whatever. Just push some air through the filters and see which ones flow the best. Simple.

Life is pretty good if all we have to argue about is a damn air filter.

:givesfuck

The K&N debate has been around longer than I have been on the LS1 and Jeep Forums (started back in 2000) thats 8 years and I'm sure it has been raging longer than that.
Most reasons both Pro and Con are personal vs empiracal.
It is what it is. Bottom line: "It's your rig to do with what you will" after that who really gives a........