View Full Version : Corvette ZR1 to run laps at Laguna Seca this weekend??


OctaneZ28
10-19-2007, 12:42 PM
Spotted in a trailer at the Monterey, California track...

http://www.badboyvettes.com/main/content/images/116_img.jpg

Is that what we think it is? :D

http://blogs.motortrend.com/6219268/car-news/corvette-zr1-to-lap-laguna-seca-this-weekend/index.html

Quote:
"The blogosphere is blowing up this morning with word that GM has a prototype of its upcoming 2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 in Monterey, California for the last race of the Amercian Le Mans Series season at Laguna Seca Raceway. Even juicier is the rumor that the ZR1 will be doing demonstration laps at some point over the weekend. If that's the case, it should be quite a show, as the ZR1 is slated to produce some 650 horsepower."

streetassasin
10-19-2007, 02:38 PM
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n257/streetassasin/redx.gif

djsanchez2
10-19-2007, 03:01 PM
I see it.

That's freaking cool. Hope someone gets video......

WECIV
10-19-2007, 03:04 PM
I think this thing needs a little more meat on its rims as light as it is with as much power as it has.

W

35thUCF
10-19-2007, 03:14 PM
http://www.badboyvettes.com/main/content/images/116_img.jpgThat's It

dailydriver
10-19-2007, 03:32 PM
Let's hope that GM puts someone like Ron Fellows behind the wheel so we can get a good idea/fair showing of what this beast is capable of. Hopefully, this will shut up/shut down all of the new GTR's worshippers. :jest: :usa:

Hydramatic
10-19-2007, 09:33 PM
Let's hope that GM puts someone like Ron Fellows behind the wheel so we can get a good idea/fair showing of what this beast is capable of. Hopefully, this will shut up/shut down all of the new GTR's worshippers. :jest: :usa:

Jan Magnusson again would be nice! I can't wait till they run this sucker at Nurburgring! Shut DOWN the Skyline.

WECIV
10-19-2007, 09:36 PM
I am glad this skyline is kicking everyone's ass...will make for a vengeful LSX.

W

ClemsonT/A
10-20-2007, 06:56 AM
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/19/corvette-zr1-sighted-at-laguna-seca-but-not-unveiled/


No Audio though :ripped:

djsanchez2
10-20-2007, 07:27 AM
It looked pretty damned fast, carrying big speed everywhere. Wonder what happened to the audio.

WECIV
10-20-2007, 10:11 AM
All I got was some gay musik. Wish that dude had a few more laps to run...there was speed to be made.

W

mzoomora
10-20-2007, 10:52 AM
I am glad this skyline is kicking everyone's ass...will make for a vengeful LSX.

W

Not that I dont agree that it is good for competition, but it hasn't beaten anyone yet. A production model hasn't even been driven.

Edit- I assume you are talking about the new GT-R, if not- sorry.

WECIV
10-20-2007, 03:16 PM
GTR Skyline whatever you wish to call it.

W

WECIV
10-20-2007, 09:05 PM
Actually this thing has beat the Z06 around the Ring.

W

Blakbird24
10-20-2007, 11:08 PM
Actually this thing has beat the Z06 around the Ring.

W

Not yet it hasn't. Official times do not exist, and the engineers that designed the car are pinning it at mid 7:50's, well behind the Z06. I've heard lots of fanboys claiming all kinds of stuff, but when the engineers talk, i'm going to listen with a bit more intent.

WECIV
10-20-2007, 11:42 PM
One of the articles on here claim it has already run it lower.

W

WECIV
10-20-2007, 11:44 PM
"Faster than a 911 Turbo, possibly cheaper than a Z06. And now, according to our sources at the scene, Nissan has recorded a stunning seven-minute/35-second lap around the Nurburgring's Nordschleife with a stock 480-horsepower GT-R."

That is from Motortrend. I thought it was correct and still believe it is. Not to be argumentative.

W

2002_Z28_Six_Speed
10-21-2007, 12:59 AM
http://news.windingroad.com/motorsports/we-spot-the-corvette-z06-at-laguna-seca/


Do they paint stuff like that [random squares and triangles] to prevent it from getting photographed well? I have seen whole cars like that but they didnt seem that special. Just wondering.

Does that paint scheme have a name?

Blakbird24
10-21-2007, 09:31 AM
"Faster than a 911 Turbo, possibly cheaper than a Z06. And now, according to our sources at the scene, Nissan has recorded a stunning seven-minute/35-second lap around the Nurburgring's Nordschleife with a stock 480-horsepower GT-R."

That is from Motortrend. I thought it was correct and still believe it is. Not to be argumentative.

W

Yeah I heard that too. I've heard everything from a 8:07 to a 7:28 (which is faster than the Pagani Zonda, BTW). All these times come from "sources"...just like the "sources" who said they saw the Blue Devil run the ring in 7:40 earlier this year (it was the Z06).

No official times exist yet. We have to wait until Nissan gets a production GT-R on the Ring to find out. It's a mute point really, because by the time they do that, the ZR1 will most certainly have upped the ante and we'll be talking about that.

modmotor
10-21-2007, 11:24 AM
Yeah I heard that too. I've heard everything from a 8:07 to a 7:28 (which is faster than the Pagani Zonda, BTW). All these times come from "sources"...just like the "sources" who said they saw the Blue Devil run the ring in 7:40 earlier this year (it was the Z06).

No official times exist yet. We have to wait until Nissan gets a production GT-R on the Ring to find out. It's a mute point really, because by the time they do that, the ZR1 will most certainly have upped the ante and we'll be talking about that.

Official times do exist.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123066?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1 .*#3

Qoute:

The Fastest Lap
The record lap would be set by Nissan's top shoe, Suzuki-san, who ultimately turned in a lap in 7 minutes, 38 seconds on a partially wet circuit. Those ominous clouds looming in the sky earlier in the day left their mark on two areas of the track, Kesselchen and Wehrsiefen, and required Suzuki-san to rein his speed in a bit.

Beating a 911 Turbo around the Nordschleife is an accomplishment at any price, but pipping it by 2 seconds, on a partly damp circuit, at an estimated price point of $80,000 is something else entirely.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times

mzoomora
10-21-2007, 11:48 AM
Official times do exist.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123066?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1 .*#3

Qoute:

The Fastest Lap
The record lap would be set by Nissan's top shoe, Suzuki-san, who ultimately turned in a lap in 7 minutes, 38 seconds on a partially wet circuit. Those ominous clouds looming in the sky earlier in the day left their mark on two areas of the track, Kesselchen and Wehrsiefen, and required Suzuki-san to rein his speed in a bit.

Beating a 911 Turbo around the Nordschleife is an accomplishment at any price, but pipping it by 2 seconds, on a partly damp circuit, at an estimated price point of $80,000 is something else entirely.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times

How could it be an official time if it is not a production vehicle? There is no official time for a production vehicle because a production vehicle has not been released yet.

Blakbird24
10-21-2007, 11:54 AM
Official times do exist.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123066?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1 .*#3

Qoute:

The Fastest Lap
The record lap would be set by Nissan's top shoe, Suzuki-san, who ultimately turned in a lap in 7 minutes, 38 seconds on a partially wet circuit. Those ominous clouds looming in the sky earlier in the day left their mark on two areas of the track, Kesselchen and Wehrsiefen, and required Suzuki-san to rein his speed in a bit.

Beating a 911 Turbo around the Nordschleife is an accomplishment at any price, but pipping it by 2 seconds, on a partly damp circuit, at an estimated price point of $80,000 is something else entirely.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times

Yeah that's not a production version. I also don't see what makes that an official time. It's reported in the same fashion as all the other times, including the 7:28 that fanboys are touting madly.

Hydramatic
10-21-2007, 12:12 PM
Official times do exist.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123066?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1 .*#3

Qoute:

The Fastest Lap
The record lap would be set by Nissan's top shoe, Suzuki-san, who ultimately turned in a lap in 7 minutes, 38 seconds on a partially wet circuit. Those ominous clouds looming in the sky earlier in the day left their mark on two areas of the track, Kesselchen and Wehrsiefen, and required Suzuki-san to rein his speed in a bit.

Beating a 911 Turbo around the Nordschleife is an accomplishment at any price, but pipping it by 2 seconds, on a partly damp circuit, at an estimated price point of $80,000 is something else entirely.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times

Excuses excuses....the track was WET when Jan ran the Ring in the Z06, AND he was on street tires. What was the Skyline running? Wet-type racing tires?

Either way, for the Skyline to only run two seconds faster(supposedly) than the old Z06 is pretty lousy. Something with AWD should be able to do better...

In other words, the new Z06 will flat out bury it!:D

WECIV
10-21-2007, 03:24 PM
Any vids of the C6Z running the Ring?

W

2001somws.6
10-21-2007, 04:49 PM
I missed the end of the race. Does anyone know who and what won?

modmotor
10-21-2007, 07:36 PM
Excuses excuses....the track was WET when Jan ran the Ring in the Z06, AND he was on street tires. What was the Skyline running? Wet-type racing tires?

Either way, for the Skyline to only run two seconds faster(supposedly) than the old Z06 is pretty lousy. Something with AWD should be able to do better...

In other words, the new Z06 will flat out bury it!:D


It doesnt make any difference what the conditions where when the GTR ran. The fact is, it accomplished what it was intended to do and that is break the souls of every Porshe owner. Its target was not to run parallel with the Z06(although it has) and it did it quit convincingly. The Skyline drivetrain is far more sophisticated than the Vettes. Hence the handicap provided by its curb weight, yet offers more performance, comfort and amenities than any of its competitors. Remember, we there are 3 versions of this car. From reports, prices will range from 60k-80k

mzoomora
10-21-2007, 08:16 PM
The car hasnt done anything yet, because there hasnt been a production car on the track yet. It has been nothing but mixed numbers as far as price, performance, etc. I am reserving judgment on the car until a actual production car hits the streets and track. They are trying to play this anticipation game and the magazines and others are just speculating, and all this could backfire. What happens when the base model is $85k+ and 10 seconds slower on the Ring? And the faster version is $120k?

Same goes for the new ZR1 in some aspects also. All the talk with nothing really for certain. If the car comes out with less performance and a higher cost that speculated you will have a lot of disappointed people (most of which would probably never buy one anyway). Although they havent been talking track times much with the ZR1.

modmotor
10-21-2007, 08:17 PM
The car hasnt done anything yet, because there hasnt been a production car on the track yet. It has been nothing but mixed numbers as far as price, performance, etc. I am reserving judgment on the car until a actual production car hits the streets and track. They are trying to play this anticipation game and the magazines and others are just speculating, and all this could backfire. What happens when the base model is $85k+ and 10 seconds slower on the Ring? And the faster version is $120k?

Same goes for the new ZR1 in some aspects also. All the talk with nothing really for certain. If the car comes out with less performance and a higher cost that speculated you will have a lot of disappointed people (most of which would probably never buy one anyway). Although they havent been talking track times much with the ZR1.

agreed:chug:

WECIV
10-21-2007, 11:32 PM
Why this hatred for the new Skyline? It is darn near production. It is a fine car and will be a good little sports car. What is your problem with it?

W

modmotor
10-21-2007, 11:39 PM
Why this hatred for the new Skyline? It is darn near production. It is a fine car and will be a good little sports car. What is your problem with it?

W


People fail to see what competition brings. Its sad to see people so closeminded, not appreciate other cars. Thats like saying, I only date white girls, but forget about Latinas, Asians and Blacks. The world would be pretty boring if it was

mzoomora
10-22-2007, 10:01 AM
Why this hatred for the new Skyline? It is darn near production. It is a fine car and will be a good little sports car. What is your problem with it?

W

No hatred at all. The point is that you cant post results or times as facts for a car that isnt even in production, but is "darn near production". I think it will be a great sports car, it may even live up to all the hype, but if it doesnt?

What I am against is all the hype, premature stats and "reports" about a car that hasnt even been made. Look at how many different times have been reported for the Ring. How many price ranges. Different models with different HP. There has been more changes than actual fact, and that is what I dont like.

I hope the car does well, but if Nissan is one of the people fanning the flames I kinda hope it backfires on them. If it does end up being a bunch of false claims I highly doubt it would be them that did it, but it is all very tiring. Has an official sale date even been released yet?

WECIV
10-22-2007, 11:27 AM
As LSX fans we have been fanning the flames and talking about yet to be introduced Maro's and Vettes like they are gold plated and touched by the hand of God. I do not see a problem about being really motivated about a car!!!

I agree ModMotor!!!

W

mzoomora
10-22-2007, 01:24 PM
As LSX fans we have been fanning the flames and talking about yet to be introduced Maro's and Vettes like they are gold plated and touched by the hand of God. I do not see a problem about being really motivated about a car!!!

I agree ModMotor!!!

W

But have you heard anybody say the ZR1 has run 7:26 at the Ring? Or say that the Camaro has run 11.5 in the 1/4? Being motivated is one thing, but posting unsubstantiated facts or making statements that "The Skyline is beating everyone" goes beyond being motivated or excited.

Im saying wait until the car actually exists as a regular production vehicle, that is all.

Rawr256
10-22-2007, 02:20 PM
But have you heard anybody say the ZR1 has run 7:26 at the Ring? Or say that the Camaro has run 11.5 in the 1/4? Being motivated is one thing, but posting unsubstantiated facts or making statements that "The Skyline is beating everyone" goes beyond being motivated or excited.

Im saying wait until the car actually exists as a regular production vehicle, that is all.

An example could be the 04 GTO. I remember before the car was even released it was rated at a 0 - 60 of 4.7, than 5.0 than 5.7, it also ran faster in the 1/4 than a Z06 somehow also.

Whether it be the new ZR-1 or GTR, I will wait til they are actually out on the road before I believe any sort of times.

2000Hawk
10-22-2007, 03:12 PM
Well lets look at the cover of the Motor Trend mag. that has the GTR on the cover. It says priced like a Z06 and in large bold letters CORVETTE KILLER. Well they say they ran a 0-60 in 3.5 and quarter in 11.7. Well think of it this way if thats what they ran then the only corvette they will be killing are regular C6s. Heres a statement from when the '06 Z06 came out:

"We bolted our own test equipment to a car at GM's Milford Proving Ground and found it had grunt enough to hurl this 3147-pound coupe to 60 mph in 3.5 seconds, and nail the standing quarter in 11.5 seconds at 127.1 mph. That 7000-rpm redline is almost superfluous, by the way, because the weapons-grade torque seam is so rich and flat that third gear is about all you need for most occasions."

So if you think about it yes the Z06 is .2 faster, but it still is faster. So i don't see why everyone is getting all crazy about, the vette either way is the king of the road. Either way the ZR1 is coming to take over the world, so hold on to your balls its going to be one hell of a ride.
-Joel

Blakbird24
10-22-2007, 03:12 PM
Yeah I think it will be a great performer too. I can't speak for others, but I can say i'm just trying to keep the facts straight. There are no OFFICIAL times for this car, and there won't be until a production version exists. We went through the same BS with the Z06 and probably will with the ZR1. I expect the GT-R to give the Z06 a good run, but even the engineers who designed the car don't expect it to be faster.

Also of note, there is nothing "more sophisticated" about the drivetrain of the GT-R. From an engineer's point of view, the Z06 actually has the more sophisticated setup, using alloys and composites in ways not yet seen on road cars under $!00k. The only thing the GT-R has in that department is AWD, which is something a $25k Subaru can boast. So while the Z06 has a lightweight, efficient drivetrain, the GT-R has a heavy, overly complicated power delivery system that will do little other than to slow it down.

The GT-R is much more of a luxury car than a Vette. Don't expect it to compete with a purpose-built Z06.

2000Hawk
10-22-2007, 03:15 PM
The GT-R is much more of a luxury car than a Vette. Don't expect it to compete with a purpose-built Z06.
:D

I'll drink to that
:chug:

-Joel

OctaneZ28
10-22-2007, 04:42 PM
More pictures:

http://www.fquick.com/images/articles/gallery/large/8152.jpg

http://www.fquick.com/images/articles/gallery/large/8153.jpg

http://www.fquick.com/images/articles/gallery/large/8154.jpg

http://www.fquick.com/images/articles/gallery/large/8172.jpg

http://www.fquick.com/images/articles/gallery/large/8173.jpg

http://www.fquick.com/images/articles/gallery/large/8174.jpg

http://www.fquick.com/images/articles/gallery/large/8175.jpg

Images snagged from FQuick blog.
http://www.fquick.com/

:cool:

WECIV
10-22-2007, 05:45 PM
Were you there, Octane? If so what did it sound like?

W

2000Hawk
10-22-2007, 06:37 PM
Looks like its hugging the corners nicely, can't wait to get an audio video. The passenger is recording, wish we could get our hands on that.
-Joel

ChaseSS
10-22-2007, 07:14 PM
damn, it looks like that vette is slammed on the friggen ground, looks awesome

Hydramatic
10-22-2007, 07:44 PM
Those brakes are GORGEOUS!:drool:


:laser:
^
GT-R-------------ZR1

speednine
10-22-2007, 09:16 PM
I saw the car make two laps on Friday. It left the other ALMS pace cars (GT-3, Audi R8 and a Z06) in the dust by a big margin. It was very quickly rushed back around the circuit on the main road and then loaded on the truck and out the gates with in 5-10 minutes. This car was real fast around the track!

Go to americanlemans.com and look under the photos for the Laguna Seca race.

raIDERspeed
10-22-2007, 10:16 PM
Damn If I would of known it was at LS i would of went I live 20mins away.

modmotor
10-24-2007, 03:46 PM
Excuses excuses....the track was WET when Jan ran the Ring in the Z06, AND he was on street tires. What was the Skyline running? Wet-type racing tires?

Either way, for the Skyline to only run two seconds faster(supposedly) than the old Z06 is pretty lousy. Something with AWD should be able to do better...

In other words, the new Z06 will flat out bury it!:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg

modmotor
10-24-2007, 03:47 PM
No hatred at all. The point is that you cant post results or times as facts for a car that isnt even in production, but is "darn near production". I think it will be a great sports car, it may even live up to all the hype, but if it doesnt?

What I am against is all the hype, premature stats and "reports" about a car that hasnt even been made. Look at how many different times have been reported for the Ring. How many price ranges. Different models with different HP. There has been more changes than actual fact, and that is what I dont like.

I hope the car does well, but if Nissan is one of the people fanning the flames I kinda hope it backfires on them. If it does end up being a bunch of false claims I highly doubt it would be them that did it, but it is all very tiring. Has an official sale date even been released yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg

Not all hype anymore. Heres the 7:38 vid.

Blakbird24
10-24-2007, 03:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg

Not all hype anymore. Heres the 7:38 vid.

That's nice...I wonder what the actual production car will run.

EDIT: Hey...that track looks bone dry to me...what gives?

mzoomora
10-24-2007, 04:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg

Not all hype anymore. Heres the 7:38 vid.

That still isnt a production car, and there is no telling what it has in power when compared to the actual production car. Could have the boost turned up, not have all the federal crash equipment(lighter weight), etc. Kind of like when one of the car mags did a comparison of the Lightning and Corvette and the Lightning almost won the straight line tests. Turned out it didnt come from Ford, but Roush.



When they test an ACTUAL PRODUCTION VEHICLE let me know. Prototypes mean nothing.

mzoomora
10-24-2007, 04:34 PM
I will say this- that guy drove the hell out of that car and it is a cool video, but it is off topic for this thread.

dailydriver
10-24-2007, 04:52 PM
That still isnt a production car, and there is no telling what it has in power when compared to the actual production car. Could have the boost turned up, not have all the federal crash equipment(lighter weight), etc. Kind of like when one of the car mags did a comparison of the Lightning and Corvette and the Lightning almost won the straight line tests. Turned out it didnt come from Ford, but Roush.



When they test an ACTUAL PRODUCTION VEHICLE let me know. Prototypes mean nothing.

Not to mention the tires/compound it has. The Nippons are infamous for not only putting uber sticky, <10K mile tires on their production, showroom stock performance cars, but for putting actual race compound rubber on their pre-production 'Ring "ringers". :pissed:

modmotor
10-24-2007, 04:54 PM
That still isnt a production car, and there is no telling what it has in power when compared to the actual production car. Could have the boost turned up, not have all the federal crash equipment(lighter weight), etc. Kind of like when one of the car mags did a comparison of the Lightning and Corvette and the Lightning almost won the straight line tests. Turned out it didnt come from Ford, but Roush.



When they test an ACTUAL PRODUCTION VEHICLE let me know. Prototypes mean nothing.

There are 3 different variations of the GTR. Ranging from 480hp-550(estimated).

So let me get this straight. When the LS7 ran the Nurburgring, was it not a prototype? How is this any different from GM posting its claims? So in essence, the LS7 could be slower than what it ran at the track.

modmotor
10-24-2007, 05:01 PM
Not to mention the tires/compound it has. The Nippons are infamous for not only putting uber sticky, <10K mile tires on their production, showroom stock performance cars, but for putting actual race compound rubber on their pre-production 'Ring "ringers". :pissed:


Why are all of your post condescending? No matter what thread you are on, its the same tone.

Your wrong about Japanese cars being infamous for their track times. Your not taking into consideration, that this car is awd and has one of the most sophisicated systems in the world. Thats why it was able to best the likes of the Z06 and 911, despite its curb weight. Let me ask you. Do you think the vette could have ran this time, with 600lb's more added to it?

Please stop making accusations. Theres no need denounce any accomplishments that Nissan has done with this car. If your so but hurt that it best the Z06's time, than you need not to click on anymore GTR related threads.

mzoomora
10-24-2007, 05:04 PM
There are 3 different variations of the GTR. Ranging from 480hp-550(estimated).

So let me get this straight. When the LS7 ran the Nurburgring, was it not a prototype? How is this any different from GM posting its claims? So in essence, the LS7 could be slower than what it ran at the track.

Wait, so did it run an estimated time? Because it is an estimated power rating? Has Nissan actually said it will have 3 variations or is that 3rd party speculation? I have no idea when the LS7 ran the ring, but I know it is in production now and can be directly compared to other vehicles. According to the video the car is due in Mid-08, which means they have recorded a time for a car 9 months before it will even be made? They must have used a DeLorean to do it.

modmotor
10-24-2007, 05:11 PM
Wait, so did it run an estimated time? Because it is an estimated power rating? Has Nissan actually said it will have 3 variations or is that 3rd party speculation? I have no idea when the LS7 ran the ring, but I know it is in production now and can be directly compared to other vehicles. According to the video the car is due in Mid-08, which means they have recorded a time for a car 9 months before it will even be made? They must have used a DeLorean to do it.

Nissan has already announced that it will be 3 versions( sorta like the old Skylines). The 550hp is the Vspec version. It is supposedly 200-250lbs lighter and obviously more hp.

Is it possible they used the Vspec version for the run. Yes. But it is also possible, that they used the basic 480hp version of the car as well.

mzoomora
10-24-2007, 06:09 PM
I have no idea when the LS7 ran the ring, but I know it is in production now and can be directly compared to other vehicles. According to the video the car is due in Mid-08, which means they have recorded a time for a car 9 months before it will even be made? They must have used a DeLorean to do it.

You totally skipped over the last part of my post. How can you consider it an official time when the car is 9 months away from production? How can you count it for anything when you know nothing about the car that ran?

Blakbird24
10-24-2007, 06:09 PM
There are 3 different variations of the GTR. Ranging from 480hp-550(estimated).

So let me get this straight. When the LS7 ran the Nurburgring, was it not a prototype? How is this any different from GM posting its claims? So in essence, the LS7 could be slower than what it ran at the track.

The LS7 that ran the 7:40 was a production model. It was several months after the release of the Z06, and it was a blue car, so many speculated that it was actually the "Blue Devil" prototype. It was later confirmed by GM that the car was in fact a production Z06.

Let me ask you. Do you think the vette could have ran this time, with 600lb's more added to it?

It could have, or at least come very very close, if it had the 550hp that the GT-R that ran the ring did.

Is it possible they used the Vspec version for the run. Yes. But it is also possible, that they used the basic 480hp version of the car as well.

That was obviously the 550hp version. Common sense tells you that if an AWD car with 600 more pounds runs a 2 sec better time, that it has more power. Or a better driver.

The latter is unlikely, so i'm going with the former.

JD_AMG
10-24-2007, 06:23 PM
LMAO, first it ran 7:15, then low 7:30s, then 7:35, now there is a video of the test mule running 7:38 with a rolling start.
Not bad for years and years of development, putting a whole 4 seconds on a car wearing tires that can be driven for 50 or so miles flat...

dailydriver
10-24-2007, 07:08 PM
Why are all of your post condescending? No matter what thread you are on, its the same tone.

How is what I said "condescending"? :confused: Why, because I refuse to worship everything out of the land of the rising sun, as you do??

Your wrong about Japanese cars being infamous for their track times. Your not taking into consideration, that this car is awd and has one of the most sophisicated systems in the world. Thats why it was able to best the likes of the Z06 and 911, despite its curb weight. Let me ask you. Do you think the vette could have ran this time, with 600lb's more added to it?

As was stated above, a certified "production" model (of ANY of the variants) did not "best" ANYTHING yet.

Please stop making accusations. Theres no need denounce any accomplishments that Nissan has done with this car. If your so but hurt that it best the Z06's time, than you need not to click on anymore GTR related threads.

Those were NOT "accusations". Your Nippon (NOT just Nissans) "supacars" DO come from the factory with stickier tires than Goodyear F1 runflats, you're insane if you think otherwise. :loco: Who knows what the hell this thing was running on in that video.
Next, I'm not "denouncing" any of your beloved Nissan's accomplishments. The car IS quite impressive as it's (proposed to be) specced. Just make damn well sure that it's a true, certified, showroom stock, production model before you go around high fiving your import fanboy buddies on how it "kicked the American icon's ass". We don't know this for sure, so again, it did NOT "best" anything.
BTW; I will "click on" ANY thread I damned well please, as I DO NOT need an import worshipping newbie's approval/permission to do so!! :wave-fing

mzoomora
10-24-2007, 07:19 PM
BTW; I will "click on" ANY thread I damned well please, as I DO NOT need an import worshipping newbie's approval/permission to do so!! :wave-fing

Especially on a DOMESTIC car forum.

zigroid
10-24-2007, 11:03 PM
anyone know if the Z06's record time with jan magnussen driving was on stock goodyears or race tires?

http://www.theraceforum.com/images/forum/2930-41-2.jpg

heres a pic. looks like race tires :(

WECIV
10-24-2007, 11:32 PM
Well I was going to buy 2 Z06's but now that I know it used race tires I am not going to...who cares. LOL!!!

W

RedBeauty84ZX
10-25-2007, 02:46 AM
To clear up some of the GTR non sense.

Upon release there is only ONE GTR model. There will be 3 differnet packages but they have nothing to do with performance, just interior differences. All the GTRs come with 480HP. The GTR that lapped the ring in 7:38 is on the stock tires as seen here:

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/general/09.nissan.gtr.nurburgring.lap/08.nissan.skyline.gtr.tech.underbody.3.500.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/9/24/9070924.013/9070924.013.Mini3L.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/general/09.nissan.gtr.nurburgring.lap/08.nissan.skyline.gtr.tech.whl.500.jpg

All the pictures of the GTR on the ring show it on the factory Bridgestone Potenza RE070 runflats. Remember this car is using an advanced AWD/RWD drivetrain, it will have superior traction then a RWD car like the vette would.

There is rumors that a year after the GTR is released Nissan will released a V Spec version with more power and less weight. That has been mentioned only just now by edmunds and no one knows anything about power #s.

The previous rumors of Nissan having a base/vspec/evo models available are rumors. The GTR that lapped the ring is the standard production car you will see in show room floors in just a few months.

RedBeauty84ZX
10-25-2007, 02:50 AM
LMAO, first it ran 7:15, then low 7:30s, then 7:35, now there is a video of the test mule running 7:38 with a rolling start.
Not bad for years and years of development, putting a whole 4 seconds on a car wearing tires that can be driven for 50 or so miles flat...

Nissan only ever said one time, 7:38. And they have the video to prove it. The early times were just speculations and rumors. The GTR was also on run flats like the vette...

RedBeauty84ZX
10-25-2007, 02:52 AM
Please stop making accusations. Theres no need denounce any accomplishments that Nissan has done with this car. If your so but hurt that it best the Z06's time, than you need not to click on anymore GTR related threads.


The title to this thread is "Corvette ZR1 to run laps at Laguna Seca this weekend??", it has nothing to do with the GTR. You're also spreading a lot of rumors about the GTR that are likely untrue.

RedBeauty84ZX
10-25-2007, 02:54 AM
You totally skipped over the last part of my post. How can you consider it an official time when the car is 9 months away from production? How can you count it for anything when you know nothing about the car that ran?

The car is already in production, people have already purchassed their GTR even before the 7:38 time was run. People will start receiving their GTRs in Japan in less then 2 months.

modmotor
10-25-2007, 08:51 AM
The title to this thread is "Corvette ZR1 to run laps at Laguna Seca this weekend??", it has nothing to do with the GTR. You're also spreading a lot of rumors about the GTR that are likely untrue.

2007 Tokyo Auto Show: 2010 Nissan GT-R Spec V

It's official, there will be a 2010 Nissan GT-R Spec V and it will be sold in America. A Nissan source has confirmed that a lightweight, more powerful version of the new supercar is nearly complete and will arrive in America about a year after the GT-R hits U.S. dealers early next summer. -- Scott Oldham, Inside Line Editor in Chief

http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightlin....photopanel..3

modmotor
10-25-2007, 08:52 AM
http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtests/112_0712_2008_nissan_gt_r_part_1

http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtests/112_0712_2008_nissan_gt_r_part_2/

mzoomora
10-25-2007, 09:02 AM
http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtests/112_0712_2008_nissan_gt_r_part_1

http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtests/112_0712_2008_nissan_gt_r_part_2/

And like the narrator at said at the end of the video-

"We wont know how true any of that is until we get our hands on a GT-R"

modmotor
10-25-2007, 09:09 AM
And like the narrator at said at the end of the video-

"We wont know how true any of that is until we get our hands on a GT-R"

This video was taken before the release. It is already out in Japan.

mzoomora
10-25-2007, 09:13 AM
This video was taken before the release. It is already out in Japan.

Really? Because somebody else in here said December in Japan. The video of the lap said mid-08. Which is it?

mzoomora
10-25-2007, 09:25 AM
http://www.gtrnissan.com/item.en.us.html?id=GT-R_Announce_en&type=press&type=press
Says Dec 6th for Japan, so it is not out yet.

And why dont they have the Nurburgring video on their own official web site. I am not saying the video is a phony, just weird that big news like that isnt on there- at least that I saw.

RedBeauty84ZX
10-25-2007, 12:28 PM
http://www.gtrnissan.com/item.en.us.html?id=GT-R_Announce_en&type=press&type=press
Says Dec 6th for Japan, so it is not out yet.

And why dont they have the Nurburgring video on their own official web site. I am not saying the video is a phony, just weird that big news like that isnt on there- at least that I saw.


It is on Nissans official website.

http://www.nissan.co.jp/MS/TOKYO2007/E/index.html

You will have to go through a couple flash menus to get to it...

JD_AMG
10-25-2007, 12:53 PM
anyone know if the Z06's record time with jan magnussen driving was on stock goodyears or race tires?

http://www.theraceforum.com/images/forum/2930-41-2.jpg

heres a pic. looks like race tires :(

From the article:
The photo is taken at Flugplatz. I´m going 240-250 km/h at full throttle in 4th gear and the car is actually jumping twice: After the first jump it lands so hard that it takes off again, as you can see in the second picture. As it lands the second time I have to take a sharp right immediately after.
The car is a standard car with street setup - had it been my racer it would hardly have left the tarmac. At NBR the street car reaches 295 km/h on the long straight in 5th gear (6th gear is an overgear for saving gasoline). At NBR there are no run-off areas like other tracks,. You simply have to stay on the track. When you are halfway around the 20 km, you think it´s a good thing there are only half as many places left you risk running off the track" Jan says.

RedBeauty84ZX
10-25-2007, 01:03 PM
From the article:
The photo is taken at Flugplatz. I´m going 240-250 km/h at full throttle in 4th gear and the car is actually jumping twice: After the first jump it lands so hard that it takes off again, as you can see in the second picture. As it lands the second time I have to take a sharp right immediately after.
The car is a standard car with street setup - had it been my racer it would hardly have left the tarmac. At NBR the street car reaches 295 km/h on the long straight in 5th gear (6th gear is an overgear for saving gasoline). At NBR there are no run-off areas like other tracks,. You simply have to stay on the track. When you are halfway around the 20 km, you think it´s a good thing there are only half as many places left you risk running off the track" Jan says.

That dosnt prove it was on factory tires. That picture dosnt appear to have the runflats...

dailydriver
10-25-2007, 01:40 PM
That dosnt prove it was on factory tires. That picture dosnt appear to have the runflats...

You can tell that from that pic??!! Damn, you're good! <--:eyes: :eyes:

How much you want to bet that whatever it had was a harder durometer than the RE070s on your precious Nissan?? (I know the stock Goodyear runflats are harder than these.)
Second, whether the Nippons are going to take delivery of their GTRs in a month and a half or not; is it identical to the ones we will get here?? When they run an actual U.S. certified/federalized 480hp version around the Ring in 7:30 or so, then I will believe.

RedBeauty84ZX
10-25-2007, 01:47 PM
You can tell that from that pic??!! Damn, you're good! <--:eyes: :eyes:

How much you want to bet that whatever it had was a harder durometer than the RE070s on your precious Nissan?? (I know the stock Goodyear runflats are harder than these.)
Second, whether the Nippons are going to take delivery of their GTRs in a month and a half or not; is it identical to the ones we will get here?? When they run an actual U.S. certified/federalized 480hp version around the Ring in 7:30 or so, then I will believe.

I'm sure the factory GTR tires will be better then the Z06s, no doutb about that. Just thought it was funny that people were assuming the GTR was using race slicks on the Nurburgring when Nissan has already said it was on factory tires and you can clearly see it in the pics. I don't know what the Z06 had on it, it dosnt APPEAR to be on the factory run flats but I don't really care. The GTR will be the same in ALL markets...that has been evident for some time now.

dailydriver
10-25-2007, 02:07 PM
The GTR will be the same in ALL markets...that has been evident for some time now.

You're sure about that?? Same exact weight in the JDM as the U.S. market? So they have the same crash safety requirements as us now, (door bars, etc.)??

RedBeauty84ZX
10-25-2007, 02:37 PM
You're sure about that?? Same exact weight in the JDM as the U.S. market? So they have the same crash safety requirements as us now, (door bars, etc.)??

The car was built from the begining to meet ALL regulations. Nissan has made this clear numerous times.

dailydriver
10-25-2007, 03:00 PM
The car was built from the begining to meet ALL regulations. Nissan has made this clear numerous times.

OK. If you say so, I'll take your word for it. (EVEN same emissions standards/equipment?? J/K, I know you said ALL regulations :jest: )

Hydramatic
10-25-2007, 04:23 PM
Ummm, that car is NOT the American Production version. They can't sell a Right-side driver over here.

2000Hawk
10-25-2007, 04:36 PM
In the vid i saw of the GTR about to make runs around the track, why were they mounting the wheels on the car? Shouldn't the car have the wheels already on it, unless they changed to different wheels with a different tire compound.
-Joel

RedBeauty84ZX
10-25-2007, 04:52 PM
In the vid i saw of the GTR about to make runs around the track, why were they mounting the wheels on the car? Shouldn't the car have the wheels already on it, unless they changed to different wheels with a different tire compound.
-Joel

Honestly that part of the video was likely staged...everything up until the actual run around the ring. They probably ran numerous times before they achieved the 7:38....after which they filmed all the scenes in the video to make a cool compilation. Either way the tires you see on the wheel are the standard run flats as you can see in the video, they are also just making sure it has new tread...

RedBeauty84ZX
10-25-2007, 04:54 PM
Ummm, that car is NOT the American Production version. They can't sell a Right-side driver over here.

I never said it was the american version...of course they will be switching drive positions and gauges out to meet american standards. But the engine/drivetrain meets all the emmision standards across the globe. Japan has some of the most stringent emmision standards, far worse then in California, so if its fine there then its DEFINETLY in the clear else where.

mzoomora
10-25-2007, 05:13 PM
Honestly that part of the video was likely staged...everything up until the actual run around the ring. They probably ran numerous times before they achieved the 7:38....after which they filmed all the scenes in the video to make a cool compilation. Either way the tires you see on the wheel are the standard run flats as you can see in the video, they are also just making sure it has new tread...

The Motor Trend video said how they had "many sets of tires with varying cryptic writings on them", you think they were all street tires?

I honestly dont care, because until it lines up with its competitors in production form under the same conditions, what have you learned? To me Ring times dont mean as much as maybe a different road course with the competitions vehicles all running under the same conditions. It is no different than drag times- you can have one guy running in -500 DA and the next guy in +3000, the time doesnt tell the whole story. Personally I think the car will do very well, but that is still to be seen.

mzoomora
10-25-2007, 05:15 PM
You're sure about that?? Same exact weight in the JDM as the U.S. market? So they have the same crash safety requirements as us now, (door bars, etc.)??

I know that was a problem when the originally brought the EVO here. It was hard to get it to pass front impact testing with the factory front mount intercooler. They had to change the front bumper support system around IIRC.

Blakbird24
10-25-2007, 07:28 PM
The car will likely be heavier in the US than overseas due to our standards. Though i'm not saying it will necessarily be heavy enough to be slower.

I'm with many on this one, i'll believe the time when I see a US spec production car do it on street tires. A 7:38 bests alot of pretty crazy cars so it's not real easy for me to buy that this Nissan did it with no tricks.

Hydramatic
10-25-2007, 07:39 PM
I'm still not convinced by the new Skyline's "technical superiority". A car with as advanced of an AWD system and as much power as the GT-R is making should be making better times than that. It certainly doesn't look all that special when you put her up next to the "caveman" Corvette with it's RWD, Pushrod N/A engine, and crappy Goodyear tires.

I guess I just expect more out of the Skyline than that....

Like I said before, though, the ZR1 will BURY ANY version of that Skyline....I know how high-power AWD cars handle on road coarses, and it isn't always pretty. There is a reason why Group B Rally cars were banned...

2000Hawk
10-25-2007, 10:06 PM
The ZR1 is going to set the performance for the money benchmark at insanely high level. And as much as we hate it, the GTR better be able to beat the Z06. As said above with such an advanced performance car, that runs off one of the most advanced AWD systems. You better be able to beat a RWD car that sticks to the basics of big cubes = big power. The ZR1 is a totally different animal, and i think its just the beginning of what GM can really dish out.
-JOel

WECIV
10-25-2007, 10:07 PM
Who cares if the car has racing tires? Tires are easy to change. As long as everything is stock other than the tires...seems like you could call it a production car.

W

mzoomora
10-25-2007, 10:13 PM
Who cares if the car has racing tires? Tires are easy to change. As long as everything is stock other than the tires...seems like you could call it a production car.

W

I agree, but it has to be apples to apples. The pictures of the tires they show are R070 tread pattern, but who knows if that is what they ran. Even on street tires(if these werent, which the very well could have been) it would have run a great time. If they were street tires, then it would have run a better time with race tires.

Hydramatic
10-26-2007, 12:33 PM
I agree, but it has to be apples to apples. The pictures of the tires they show are R070 tread pattern, but who knows if that is what they ran. Even on street tires(if these werent, which the very well could have been) it would have run a great time. If they were street tires, then it would have run a better time with race tires.

I was kinda thinking the same thing here, but didn't wanna say it. Racers have been known to do stupid crap like that for an edge in the past.

bboyferal
10-26-2007, 01:58 PM
So far, this is all we have... And it's looking like a car WELL WORTH its price so far.

dailydriver
10-26-2007, 01:59 PM
Who cares if the car has racing tires? Tires are easy to change. As long as everything is stock other than the tires...seems like you could call it a production car.

W

Which car are you talking about??

modmotor
10-28-2007, 05:33 PM
The Motor Trend video said how they had "many sets of tires with varying cryptic writings on them", you think they were all street tires?

I honestly dont care, because until it lines up with its competitors in production form under the same conditions, what have you learned? To me Ring times dont mean as much as maybe a different road course with the competitions vehicles all running under the same conditions. It is no different than drag times- you can have one guy running in -500 DA and the next guy in +3000, the time doesnt tell the whole story. Personally I think the car will do very well, but that is still to be seen.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1820048&page=22&highlight=skyline+gtr


The majority of Corvette owners, appreciate the GTR. They understand and some have admitted, that it is a superior car when it comes to chassis and suspension. I suggest you glance over the middle of the 43 pages and respect what "your domestic counterparts" have to say. It amazes me the difference between corvette owners and camaro owners. I guess when your able to afford nicer things, your able to appreciate others as well.

modmotor
10-28-2007, 05:44 PM
Let me say that I don't care if the GTR is faster or not, it doesn't make a difference for me either way. However some of the things you guys are saying are so stupid that I'm going to give you my 2 cents.

First of all, HOW DO YOU KNOW that the Z that they tested at the RING was a stock showroom model without tweaks. We all know how you can pickup good power from a tune alone. What makes you SO sure that the Z was stock and untouched? The truth is its all hearsay and there is no damn proof. Nobody has ever went to the ring and raced the Z and gotten that time. Just because its a Z you want to believe its true and that it was a stock car, but as soon as another car comes along that challenges it, there must be something fishy or wierd huh? I didn't know that GM was the only car manufacturer that knows how to make a fast car. BTW nissan has been to the RING a lot more than GM has. Whats more is at least they show you a video, where is GMs video?

Something to think about:
The SLR (3900lbs) has lapped the ring in 7:43, the SLR 722GT (~3250) has lapped the ring in 7:38. Not a big difference in my book less than a second for every 100 pounds of weight.

You people aren't considering corner speed, braking, exit speed. Just power to weight ratio like a dumbass, as if its the only thing that matters in this world.

Let me just give you a quick comparison of some things you should bring into the equation.

Brakes:
GTR- BREMBO 15"
Vette- who makes em? <15"

Advantage GTR, and people who have done the brembo 14" upgrade on their vette say there is a HUGE difference.

Suspension:
GTR- Bilstein® DampTronic system with three driver-selectable modes
Vette- Leaf springs

Advantage GTR, people who have switched to coilovers claim the car has transformed into a totally different beast.

Transmission:
GTR- Borg Warner Dual Clutch 6 speed
Vette- T56

Advantage GTR.

Drivetrain:
GTR- AWD
Vette- RWD

Advantage GTR, puts power down better, probably exits the corner better. The Vette needs more traction...food for thought.... a GT3 has 300 lbs of torque and has that much weight over the rear tires and good rubber.The vette has less weight over the rear tire, tires that are only marginally larger, but with less grip overall, PLUS 470 lbs of torque. Which is a better design, you tell me.

Also keep in mind that any driver will feel more comfortable in a AWD. Put a driver in a RWD with close to 500lbs of torque through corners and he will be at least a little hesitant.

Something about Horsepower....you guys are all into the engine rating. Its not all about the engine rating but rather how much you get to the tire. I'm not talking DYNO numbers, I mean how much power you get after your gear ratios do their job. Suppose I have 100 lbs of torque my gear and final drive ratio end up giving me a 1:1, I will only be putting 100 lbs of torque through my tires. Now suppose I have a total gear ratio of 5:1, I am essentially now putting 500lbs of torque through the tire even though I'm only making 100 at the engine.

This is why the M5/M6 in the long run do very well against the Z because even though it has more weight, I imagine it puts more power to the wheel than the Z because of its more aggressive gearing.

Chew on that for a little....


Coming from a Z06 owner ^

modmotor
10-28-2007, 06:14 PM
The ZR1 is going to set the performance for the money benchmark at insanely high level. And as much as we hate it, the GTR better be able to beat the Z06. As said above with such an advanced performance car, that runs off one of the most advanced AWD systems. You better be able to beat a RWD car that sticks to the basics of big cubes = big power. The ZR1 is a totally different animal, and i think its just the beginning of what GM can really dish out.
-JOel



must say, most of you that are arguing against the 'Ring time/s are REALLY fighting an uphill battle. Not only has Nissan declared a 7:38, but Motortrend is now claiming they timed a 7:35. There are NUMEROUS other sources which are concurring with these estimates. And none of these sources mentioned anything about 'race' tires or modifications or super secret decoder rings, etc... At this point, the odds are REALLY against your conspiracy theory.

NemeSS
10-28-2007, 09:06 PM
must say, most of you that are arguing against the 'Ring time/s are REALLY fighting an uphill battle. Not only has Nissan declared a 7:38, but Motortrend is now claiming they timed a 7:35. There are NUMEROUS other sources which are concurring with these estimates. And none of these sources mentioned anything about 'race' tires or modifications or super secret decoder rings, etc... At this point, the odds are REALLY against your conspiracy theory.

sounds good on paper'
but u know how that goes sometimes

mzoomora
10-28-2007, 09:27 PM
What amazes me is what a lonely stroke you must be to keep registering under different names on a domestic web site just to spew worthless shit!!!

Get a fucking life, really. If you think that extra weight + AWD = extra cornering traction you are nuts. You could make an argument for the suspension, but the Corvette gets along very well with the very low unsprung weight it has. You talk about brakes and suspension and fail to consider extra weight into the equation. A car with substantially extra weight needs those upgrades just to be even with a lighter car. Not to mention that the Z06 also has very high tech suspension and very high tech brakes(6 piston front, 4 rear). Shit, even the base Corvette has available adaptive Magnetic Ride Control.

You are a truly sad individual with very poor communication skills. You struggle just to compose a properly structured or punctuated sentence, and then fail to even come close to proving a point. Why dont you just take the next banning as a hint and STAY THE FUCK OUT. This site is designed to be a primarily TECH web site, as stated in the name. It is also intended mostly for Gen III/IV powered GM vehicles, also as stated in the name. Nowhere in the title does it say "import-fag-fanboy-troll-piece-of-shit-nontech.com". Take that as your second hint. Also note how most of your posts are received in the forums- NOT WELL. You are not welcome nor wanted here as noted by the responses you get in addition to the previously mentioned bannings- take that as your third hint.

Now :gtfo:

modmotor
10-28-2007, 09:40 PM
sounds good on paper'
but u know how that goes sometimes

Nissan has a video, what about GM?

modmotor
10-28-2007, 09:41 PM
What amazes me is what a lonely stroke you must be to keep registering under different names on a domestic web site just to spew worthless shit!!!

Get a fucking life, really. If you think that extra weight + AWD = extra cornering traction you are nuts. You could make an argument for the suspension, but the Corvette gets along very well with the very low unsprung weight it has. You talk about brakes and suspension and fail to consider extra weight into the equation. A car with substantially extra weight needs those upgrades just to be even with a lighter car. Not to mention that the Z06 also has very high tech suspension and very high tech brakes(6 piston front, 4 rear). Shit, even the base Corvette has available adaptive Magnetic Ride Control.

You are a truly sad individual with very poor communication skills. You struggle just to compose a properly structured or punctuated sentence, and then fail to even come close to proving a point. Why dont you just take the next banning as a hint and STAY THE FUCK OUT. This site is designed to be a primarily TECH web site, as stated in the name. It is also intended mostly for Gen III/IV powered GM vehicles, also as stated in the name. Nowhere in the title does it say "import-fag-fanboy-troll-piece-of-shit-nontech.com". Take that as your second hint. Also note how most of your posts are received in the forums- NOT WELL. You are not welcome nor wanted here as noted by the responses you get in addition to the previously mentioned bannings- take that as your third hint.

Now :gtfo:


:usa:

modmotor
10-28-2007, 09:50 PM
What amazes me is what a lonely stroke you must be to keep registering under different names on a domestic web site just to spew worthless shit!!!

Get a fucking life, really. If you think that extra weight + AWD = extra cornering traction you are nuts. You could make an argument for the suspension, but the Corvette gets along very well with the very low unsprung weight it has. You talk about brakes and suspension and fail to consider extra weight into the equation. A car with substantially extra weight needs those upgrades just to be even with a lighter car. Not to mention that the Z06 also has very high tech suspension and very high tech brakes(6 piston front, 4 rear). Shit, even the base Corvette has available adaptive Magnetic Ride Control.

You are a truly sad individual with very poor communication skills. You struggle just to compose a properly structured or punctuated sentence, and then fail to even come close to proving a point. Why dont you just take the next banning as a hint and STAY THE FUCK OUT. This site is designed to be a primarily TECH web site, as stated in the name. It is also intended mostly for Gen III/IV powered GM vehicles, also as stated in the name. Nowhere in the title does it say "import-fag-fanboy-troll-piece-of-shit-nontech.com". Take that as your second hint. Also note how most of your posts are received in the forums- NOT WELL. You are not welcome nor wanted here as noted by the responses you get in addition to the previously mentioned bannings- take that as your third hint.

Now :gtfo:

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ChaseSS
10-28-2007, 10:23 PM
wow modmotor, i mean 45psi (not mention the other banned names) you know how to copy and paste!!! this GTR would look so cool in a race trailer being pulled by your Tundra!!! oh wait it can't pull that trailer, that sucks: refer to this thread for more information http://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=790054 I swear the japanese pay you to post on this site, you = anti-american, nippon loving fan boy

modmotor
10-28-2007, 10:39 PM
wow modmotor, i mean 45psi (not mention the other banned names) you know how to copy and paste!!! this GTR would look so cool in a race trailer being pulled by your Tundra!!! oh wait it can't pull that trailer, that sucks: refer to this thread for more information http://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=790054 I swear the japanese pay you to post on this site, you = anti-american, nippon loving fan boy

LOL, it sure could have pulled that trailor. And here is why:


http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/CACressida/10-22-07_0820.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/CACressida/10-22-07_0816.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/CACressida/10-22-07_0817.jpg

That alone is 20k lbs, in which I tow on a daily basis. Those Polyethelyne bags are 3000lbs a skid(x5) which equals to 15 + 4500_lb trailor. Never ran to any problems and even drove this load 180miles to San Antonio.


http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/CACressida/T3.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/CACressida/T2.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/CACressida/T1.jpg

Thats over 15k lbs. I made that trip to Alice Texas, which is 50 miles from Corpus Chritie(about 5 hour drive) without issues.

modmotor
10-28-2007, 10:42 PM
BTW, going to pick up my new F350 Tuesday. Should make for a nice 4 car car hauler.

modmotor
10-28-2007, 10:52 PM
BTW, going to pick up my new F350 Tuesday. Should make for a nice 4 car car hauler.

Hydramatic
10-28-2007, 11:20 PM
LOL, it sure could have pulled that trailor. And here is why:


http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/CACressida/10-22-07_0820.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/CACressida/10-22-07_0816.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/CACressida/10-22-07_0817.jpg

That alone is 20k lbs, in which I tow on a daily basis. Those Polyethelyne bags are 3000lbs a skid(x5) which equals to 15 + 4500_lb trailor. Never ran to any problems and even drove this load 180miles to San Antonio.


http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/CACressida/T3.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/CACressida/T2.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/CACressida/T1.jpg

Thats over 15k lbs. I made that trip to Alice Texas, which is 50 miles from Corpus Chritie(about 5 hour drive) without issues.

What's your point? I've seen Camaro's haul trailers, and they don't even HAVE a frame....The Tundra is a plastic piece of pu$$y and they are already falling apart on the road. Last I heard, diffs and camshafts were exploding on them at an alarming rate....


Can't we get rid of this guy somehow? Isn't double posting grounds for banning? Something, anything mods?:scream:

modmotor
10-28-2007, 11:26 PM
What's your point? I've seen Camaro's haul trailers, and they don't even HAVE a frame....The Tundra is a plastic piece of pu$$y and they are already falling apart on the road. Last I heard, diffs and camshafts were exploding on them at an alarming rate....


Can't we get rid of this guy somehow? Isn't double posting grounds for banning? Something, anything mods?:scream:

Show me a silverado towing 20k lbs and I will leave.

abbo7
10-29-2007, 11:51 AM
Why would it be so hard for a Silverado to tow a 20,000 lb trailor? Its been done. I'm not doubting that your Tundra can tow a 20,000 lb load (although its probably not safe). However, a Silverado can tow 20,000 lbs as well. Especially the Duramax powered Silverado.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 12:22 PM
Why would it be so hard for a Silverado to tow a 20,000 lb trailor? Its been done. I'm not doubting that your Tundra can tow a 20,000 lb load (although its probably not safe). However, a Silverado can tow 20,000 lbs as well. Especially the Duramax powered Silverado.



Yes I agree with you, but not a Silverado gasser. The Duramax is a well put together machine and I wouldve purchased one if I didnt find a good deal on the F350.

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 02:28 PM
Yes I agree with you, but not a Silverado gasser. The Duramax is a well put together machine and I wouldve purchased one if I didnt find a good deal on the F350.

You dont think the 8.1 GAS engined Silverado's can pull 20k lbs? You are sadly mistaken. For all we know the one in the picture with the Toyota trailer is a gas motor. There is your gas powered Silverado that can pull that weight and then some- so now leave.

BTW- what do you plan on doing when your torque converter locks up at random and your tailgate falls off?
Dont tell me, another supplier problem, right?

modmotor
10-29-2007, 03:37 PM
You dont think the 8.1 GAS engined Silverado's can pull 20k lbs? You are sadly mistaken. For all we know the one in the picture with the Toyota trailer is a gas motor. There is your gas powered Silverado that can pull that weight and then some- so now leave.

BTW- what do you plan on doing when your torque converter locks up at random and your tailgate falls off?
Dont tell me, another supplier problem, right?

Considering nothing has been recalled and the few that have had problems are taken care of by Toyota.

The 8.1 pulls around the same as the Tundra. Kind of sad if you ask me. On another note, my title came in and it specifically states 3/4 ton truck. As motortrend stated, its a 1/2 name with a 3/4 frame.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 03:41 PM
You dont think the 8.1 GAS engined Silverado's can pull 20k lbs? You are sadly mistaken. For all we know the one in the picture with the Toyota trailer is a gas motor. There is your gas powered Silverado that can pull that weight and then some- so now leave.

BTW- what do you plan on doing when your torque converter locks up at random and your tailgate falls off?
Dont tell me, another supplier problem, right?

http://www.canadiandriver.com/truckking/2008/winner.htm

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 04:54 PM
Considering nothing has been recalled and the few that have had problems are taken care of by Toyota.

The 8.1 pulls around the same as the Tundra. Kind of sad if you ask me. On another note, my title came in and it specifically states 3/4 ton truck. As motortrend stated, its a 1/2 name with a 3/4 frame.
When do you think the recalls will start? Torque converters, Cam's, tailgates......

Toyota doesnt like recalls and hesitates to issue them. They were reprimanded by their own government for it. Sludge anyone?

To correct your statement its more like it only has 3/4's of a frame compared to the GM and Ford. By far the weakest by design. Should we dig up the Ford test video that showed the frame jiggling like Jello?

Also, I have showed you what Toyota called a 1-ton at one point, I wouldnt put too much stock in that.

ChaseSS
10-29-2007, 05:06 PM
Also, I have showed you what Toyota called a 1-ton at one point, I wouldnt put too much stock in that.


OWNED I almost forgot about that one lol

is this all you do all day? sit and watch GM tech boards because you have no other import fan boys to make love you to? I really don't understand why you spend so much of your time here... your not welcome and you have been banned who knows how many times, all your arguments have persuaded 0 people to your side... its a lost cause give up and go back to gaypeoplewholovejapanmorethantheirowncountry.com

Blakbird24
10-29-2007, 05:36 PM
That alone is 20k lbs, in which I tow on a daily basis.

:bs:

If you are telling me that you tow 20k pounds with a Toyota Tundra (of ANY year or model) on a daily basis:

You are absolutely, 100%, totally, certifiably FULL OF SHIT.

I can't believe you thought you could get away with that gem.

Your first load in those pics is about 6000lbs max. Those pallets are rated for about 1800lbs each, and with that kinda load you'd have to be really careful they wouldn't collapse.

The bails in the second load are at most about 600lbs. That puts that load around 6000lbs too.

Finally, that trailer is good for 12k pounds max. So even if you had 20k pounds on that rig, you'd be a moron.


Ever been to a truck pull? You want to see who makes the real trucks, that's where you go. That's where the big boys play. Chevy and Ford 1500's pull 15k pounds all night through mud, dirt, stones, whatever challenge they can think up. I know a few guys who compete, they run in the diesel groups, but we hang out to watch the gas guys too. So far, i've seen three new Tundras give it a shot, none tried more than 10k pounds, all got destroyed by the American trucks. They aren't even taken seriously, and the drivers know it...they laugh too.

Give it up already. The Tundra is the best light duty truck ever to come out of Japan, but it can't hold a candle to current American offerings.

Blakbird24
10-29-2007, 05:38 PM
Oh and BTW, the Tundra is a half-ton, or as we call it, a 1500.

Your title could say "M1A1" and that wouldn't change the reality. It is what it is.

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 05:54 PM
The 8.1 pulls around the same as the Tundra. Kind of sad if you ask me.

You are totally nuts. The 8.1 equipped trucks were rated at 15,000+ in some cases. How many 5th wheels Tundra's do you see? Compared to GM's? How many are sold as cab and chassis to be used in heavy duty applications?

modmotor
10-29-2007, 06:18 PM
:bs:

If you are telling me that you tow 20k pounds with a Toyota Tundra (of ANY year or model) on a daily basis:

You are absolutely, 100%, totally, certifiably FULL OF SHIT.

I can't believe you thought you could get away with that gem.

Your first load in those pics is about 6000lbs max. Those pallets are rated for about 1800lbs each, and with that kinda load you'd have to be really careful they wouldn't collapse.

The bails in the second load are at most about 600lbs. That puts that load around 6000lbs too.

Finally, that trailer is good for 12k pounds max. So even if you had 20k pounds on that rig, you'd be a moron.


Ever been to a truck pull? You want to see who makes the real trucks, that's where you go. That's where the big boys play. Chevy and Ford 1500's pull 15k pounds all night through mud, dirt, stones, whatever challenge they can think up. I know a few guys who compete, they run in the diesel groups, but we hang out to watch the gas guys too. So far, i've seen three new Tundras give it a shot, none tried more than 10k pounds, all got destroyed by the American trucks. They aren't even taken seriously, and the drivers know it...they laugh too.

Give it up already. The Tundra is the best light duty truck ever to come out of Japan, but it can't hold a candle to current American offerings.

Your a f'n idiot. Those bags are 55.5lbs a piece and there are 50 of them. Now multiply that by 6 plus the weight of the trailor(4500lbs).

Those bails of plastic weigh between 1000-1500lbs, depending on what machine we use to bail the material. You have no clue what the fuck your talking about. Im glad you can tell by the pics on how much material weighs. What a moron lol!

Another thing. That trailor has two 8500lb axles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxscpk2OiBk

^ Tundra won first place you stupid bitch!

modmotor
10-29-2007, 06:25 PM
When do you think the recalls will start? Torque converters, Cam's, tailgates......

Toyota doesnt like recalls and hesitates to issue them. They were reprimanded by their own government for it. Sludge anyone?

To correct your statement its more like it only has 3/4's of a frame compared to the GM and Ford. By far the weakest by design. Should we dig up the Ford test video that showed the frame jiggling like Jello?

Also, I have showed you what Toyota called a 1-ton at one point, I wouldnt put too much stock in that.


I love the fact you keep bringing up the cam issue, since the last one was in April of this year. Less than 30 reported cases, of the 200k sold. Good one! There's nothing wrong with the tailgates, just the people that leave them open while driving.

And yes, lets talk about the frame. The Tundras frame is actually stronger than the F150's. And that video doesnt prove anything, but that the Tundras overall length is longer than the F150's and Chevy. That makes a huge difference when you base your comparison on the F150 That test was done on the F150's length. Dont you find it ironic, that the Tundra uses a C channel frame just like the F250 and F350 desiels? If a fully boxed frame was superior to c channel, why wouldnt Ford use it in their 250's/350's?

modmotor
10-29-2007, 06:26 PM
:bs:

If you are telling me that you tow 20k pounds with a Toyota Tundra (of ANY year or model) on a daily basis:

You are absolutely, 100%, totally, certifiably FULL OF SHIT.

I can't believe you thought you could get away with that gem.

Your first load in those pics is about 6000lbs max. Those pallets are rated for about 1800lbs each, and with that kinda load you'd have to be really careful they wouldn't collapse.

The bails in the second load are at most about 600lbs. That puts that load around 6000lbs too.

Finally, that trailer is good for 12k pounds max. So even if you had 20k pounds on that rig, you'd be a moron.


Ever been to a truck pull? You want to see who makes the real trucks, that's where you go. That's where the big boys play. Chevy and Ford 1500's pull 15k pounds all night through mud, dirt, stones, whatever challenge they can think up. I know a few guys who compete, they run in the diesel groups, but we hang out to watch the gas guys too. So far, i've seen three new Tundras give it a shot, none tried more than 10k pounds, all got destroyed by the American trucks. They aren't even taken seriously, and the drivers know it...they laugh too.

Give it up already. The Tundra is the best light duty truck ever to come out of Japan, but it can't hold a candle to current American offerings.

I will show you our scale with the weight on their. Matter of fact, I will show you my weigh ticket.

Blakbird24
10-29-2007, 06:27 PM
Your a f'n idiot. Those bags are 55.5lbs a piece and there are 50 of them. Now multiply that by 6 plus the weight of the trailor(4500lbs).

Those bails of plastic weigh between 1000-1500lbs, depending on what machine we use to bail the material. You have no clue what the fuck your talking about. Im glad you can tell by the pics on how much material weighs. What a moron lol!

Another thing. That trailor has two 8500lb axles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxscpk2OiBk

^ Tundra won first place you stupid bitch!

I just realized i'm arguing with a 16 year old. It would no longer be fair for me to discuss this further with you cause i'm not one to pick one someone that much younger than me.

Your still full of shit though, and I know more about what you are talking about than you do.

For the rest of the readers in the thread:

The bails come from a PTC bailer and unless it is some exotic form of lead plastic, those bails cannot weigh more than 600lbs.

Those pallets could be overloaded, but they are not 3000lbs. I've seen forklifts moving white pallets with 1800lbs and they have to move at walking speed to keep from cracking the pallets. You'd have to be a complete moron to load a truck like that (if those were 3000lbs). You'd never get out of the parking lot with the load intact.

Sorry, i'm not buying your bullshit.

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 06:29 PM
Your a f'n idiot. Those bags are 55.5lbs a piece and there are 50 of them. Now multiply that by 6 plus the weight of the trailor(4500lbs).

Those bails of plastic weigh between 1000-1500lbs, depending on what machine we use to bail the material. You have no clue what the fuck your talking about. Im glad you can tell by the pics on how much material weighs. What a moron lol!

Another thing. That trailor has two 8500lb axles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxscpk2OiBk

^ Tundra won first place you stupid bitch!

WOW, 1 win in how many truck pull events? Thousands and thousands GM, Ford, Dodge.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 06:29 PM
:bs:

If you are telling me that you tow 20k pounds with a Toyota Tundra (of ANY year or model) on a daily basis:

You are absolutely, 100%, totally, certifiably FULL OF SHIT.

I can't believe you thought you could get away with that gem.

Your first load in those pics is about 6000lbs max. Those pallets are rated for about 1800lbs each, and with that kinda load you'd have to be really careful they wouldn't collapse.

The bails in the second load are at most about 600lbs. That puts that load around 6000lbs too.

Finally, that trailer is good for 12k pounds max. So even if you had 20k pounds on that rig, you'd be a moron.


Ever been to a truck pull? You want to see who makes the real trucks, that's where you go. That's where the big boys play. Chevy and Ford 1500's pull 15k pounds all night through mud, dirt, stones, whatever challenge they can think up. I know a few guys who compete, they run in the diesel groups, but we hang out to watch the gas guys too. So far, i've seen three new Tundras give it a shot, none tried more than 10k pounds, all got destroyed by the American trucks. They aren't even taken seriously, and the drivers know it...they laugh too.

Give it up already. The Tundra is the best light duty truck ever to come out of Japan, but it can't hold a candle to current American offerings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxscpk2OiBk


Just incase you missed it.

Again, the Tundra is now the 4th best selling Truck in America. It passed GMC Sierra and is on pace to pass Dodge in the next couple of years.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 06:33 PM
WOW, 1 win in how many truck pull events? Thousands and thousands GM, Ford, Dodge.

Thats not the point. He said it couldnt be done. Lets not forget, that the Tundra is less than a year old. I guess thats what happens when you have the most powerful 1/2 ton truck on the market.


Ford F150 = anemic/underpowered/pathetic
Dodge Ram = better/overrated
Silverado = Weak motor/poor tranny
Denali = competition

modmotor
10-29-2007, 06:39 PM
WOW, 1 win in how many truck pull events? Thousands and thousands GM, Ford, Dodge.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=8s8vSez0lnk


"""Toyota of Scranton "Tundranator" takes second place !

new Tundra and took first and second place beating out 29 other trucks including 2500 and 3500 series trucks!...2007tundra toyota tundra truckpull fair truck pull drag """

http://youtube.com/results?search_query=tundra+truck+pull

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 06:39 PM
The Tundras frame is actually stronger than the F150's.

Then why is the F150 the only 1/2 ton that is rated to tow 11,000lbs? And stronger by what measure? Were they tested in tensile strength? Torsional stiffness? Do you have measured results to back that up or just a opinion from one of your many web articles that prove nothing? I guarantee that they all have stronger tail gates than the Tundra. Even the Ranger and Colorado can handle an ATV on the tailgate.

"It can tow 10,500 lbs, just dont put more than 50 on the tailgate"

Blakbird24
10-29-2007, 06:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxscpk2OiBk

So you have one amateur video of a Tundra pulling something big. Holy shit. We could get into a Youtube battle here and I could start posting videos of American trucks pulling ridiculous loads, but what would that accomplish?

You are a piece of work.

Again, the Tundra is now the 4th best selling Truck in America. It passed GMC Sierra and is on pace to pass Dodge in the next couple of years.

And?

Ford trucks outsell Chevy trucks. Are they better?

McDonalds sells more chicken than Chic Fil A. Does McDonalds make better chicken?

modmotor
10-29-2007, 06:40 PM
WOW, 1 win in how many truck pull events? Thousands and thousands GM, Ford, Dodge.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_pavXEwCJow

modmotor
10-29-2007, 06:43 PM
So you have one amateur video of a Tundra pulling something big. Holy shit. We could get into a Youtube battle here and I could start posting videos of American trucks pulling ridiculous loads, but what would that accomplish?

You are a piece of work.



And?

Ford trucks outsell Chevy trucks. Are they better?

McDonalds sells more chicken than Chic Fil A. Does McDonalds make better chicken?



No, you just ate a dick and now you want to back track what you said. I just contradicted everything you just posted.

Blakbird24
10-29-2007, 06:43 PM
Thats not the point. He said it couldnt be done. Lets not forget, that the Tundra is less than a year old. I guess thats what happens when you have the most powerful 1/2 ton truck on the market.


Ford F150 = anemic/underpowered/pathetic
Dodge Ram = better/overrated
Silverado = Weak motor/poor tranny
Denali = competition

I said it couldn't be done on a daily basis.

I could tow 80,000 pounds in a Silverado. I'd get maybe 1/2 mile before the transmission exploded, but it could be done. So what's your point? There's a video on Youtube of a VW Toureg towing a 300,000 pound Boeing 747. It moves the plane about 20 feet and takes 40 seconds to do it. So I guess that means the VW Toureg is better than the Tundra, Silverado, F150, and Ram?

Blakbird24
10-29-2007, 06:44 PM
No, you just ate a dick and now you want to back track what you said. I just contradicted everything you just posted.

Wow...so desperate that all you have left is personal jabs.

My work here is done.

Stop wasting my time.

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 06:44 PM
Thats not the point. He said it couldnt be done. Lets not forget, that the Tundra is less than a year old. I guess thats what happens when you have the most powerful 1/2 ton truck on the market.


Ford F150 = anemic/underpowered/pathetic
Dodge Ram = better/overrated
Silverado = Weak motor/poor tranny
Denali = competition

Wow, only a year old? What about all the previous Tundra's and the T100?

Also, I have shown you plenty of links where the Silverado has come out ahead. And dont fool yourself into thinking that trucks are all about HP. The F150 is a better truck than the Tundra will probably ever be. I also love how you say the Silverado has a weak motor when it is only about 5% under the Tundra in HP and will have a diesel 1/2 ton also.

And correction, GMC has the most powerful 1/2 ton on the market.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 06:44 PM
So you have one amateur video of a Tundra pulling something big. Holy shit. We could get into a Youtube battle here and I could start posting videos of American trucks pulling ridiculous loads, but what would that accomplish?

You are a piece of work.



And?

Ford trucks outsell Chevy trucks. Are they better?

McDonalds sells more chicken than Chic Fil A. Does McDonalds make better chicken?

I never said a F250 or F350 was a piece of shit, not did I imply that it could tow anything. You said yourself, the Tundra cant pull 10k like the Domestic can. O BTW, I pick up the F250 tomorrow. Damn I cant wait

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 06:46 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_pavXEwCJow

Wow a rigged commercial for a Toyota dealership, that really proves a lot.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 06:51 PM
Wow, only a year old? What about all the previous Tundra's and the T100?

Also, I have shown you plenty of links where the Silverado has come out ahead. And dont fool yourself into thinking that trucks are all about HP. The F150 is a better truck than the Tundra will probably ever be. I also love how you say the Silverado has a weak motor when it is only about 5% under the Tundra in HP and will have a diesel 1/2 ton also.

And correction, GMC has the most powerful 1/2 ton on the market.


No its not. Not according the Edmunds and Motortrend.:D

Are you forgeting that the Tundra is coming out with a diesel as well? Hino or Isuzu will be building the Tundras motor by 2010.

Yes you have shown me plenty of links, but those links only show cosmetic wins(interior and ride comfort) but not actual powertrain, off road capabilities or all out power like Ive showed you.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/truckking/2008/winner.htm

Another award.

The F150 and Dodge havent won anything in over 5 years.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 06:54 PM
Wow a rigged commercial for a Toyota dealership, that really proves a lot.

Same thing could be said about the f150 commercial towards the Tundra.

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 06:59 PM
No its not. Not according the Edmunds and Motortrend.:D

According to Motor Trend it is. How many times do you have to read it to understand what it says. Overall it is the better truck. Plain and Simple. More HP does not make a better truck, the complete package does.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/trucks/112_0704_chevrolet_silverado_toyota_tundra/details.html

modmotor
10-29-2007, 07:02 PM
Wow, only a year old? What about all the previous Tundra's and the T100?

Also, I have shown you plenty of links where the Silverado has come out ahead. And dont fool yourself into thinking that trucks are all about HP. The F150 is a better truck than the Tundra will probably ever be. I also love how you say the Silverado has a weak motor when it is only about 5% under the Tundra in HP and will have a diesel 1/2 ton also.

And correction, GMC has the most powerful 1/2 ton on the market.


http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/trucks/112_0704_chevrolet_silverado_toyota_tundra/

''''Put simply, the 5.7 makes so much power, we couldn't get a clean run down the quarter mile (even with the traction control switched off, the electronic nanny still jumped in to keep things in order). Our test crew felt there was more to be had, so they switched the Tundra's 4x4 system to four-wheel high range to disconnect the power-robbing electronics, and with all four wheels locked in unison the 0-to-60 number improved about eight percent.



The Tundra's 0-to-60 time of 6.0 seconds is the fastest time we've recorded in any stock half-ton pickup and shades the Silverado's by 1.7 seconds."""

Same article:

"""Yet the Tundra's 5.7 is such a stormer, even the bigger engine wouldn't have been enough for the Chevy to overcome the Toyota's performance advantage."""

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 07:02 PM
Same thing could be said about the f150 commercial towards the Tundra.

I dont recall a Tundra in a F150 commercial, but I did see a lot of rigged Toyota commercials with GM and Ford trucks in them. I guess the same things cant be said about them, right?

modmotor
10-29-2007, 07:05 PM
According to Motor Trend it is. How many times do you have to read it to understand what it says. Overall it is the better truck. Plain and Simple. More HP does not make a better truck, the complete package does.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/trucks/112_0704_chevrolet_silverado_toyota_tundra/details.html

I told you before, that the Silverado has a nicer interior(although ssubjective). But the power difference among all 1/2 tons is concrete.

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 07:05 PM
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/trucks/112_0704_chevrolet_silverado_toyota_tundra/

''''Put simply, the 5.7 makes so much power, we couldn't get a clean run down the quarter mile (even with the traction control switched off, the electronic nanny still jumped in to keep things in order). Our test crew felt there was more to be had, so they switched the Tundra's 4x4 system to four-wheel high range to disconnect the power-robbing electronics, and with all four wheels locked in unison the 0-to-60 number improved about eight percent.



The Tundra's 0-to-60 time of 6.0 seconds is the fastest time we've recorded in any stock half-ton pickup and shades the Silverado's by 1.7 seconds."""

Same article:

"""Yet the Tundra's 5.7 is such a stormer, even the bigger engine wouldn't have been enough for the Chevy to overcome the Toyota's performance advantage."""

Still trying to fall back on the engine because the truck has nothing else to offer. Most trucks are not taken to the drag strip, Toyota should realize that and build an overall better truck. I also lover the comparison of the new top of the line tundra engine to the GM 5.3 mainstream engine. Also proves a lot.

Oh yeah, even with all that the Denali is still faster, as proven by the time slip posted in the other thread.

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 07:07 PM
"Our testers weren't ideally matched: A fairer comparison would've been to have the Tundra with the 271-horsepower, 4.7-liter V-8 ($37,935) or the Silverado with the optional 367-horse, 6.0-liter engine ($36,500)"

Wow, you can have more HP in the Chevy for less money, they should have done that comparison.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 07:09 PM
Still trying to fall back on the engine because the truck has nothing else to offer. Most trucks are not taken to the drag strip, Toyota should realize that and build an overall better truck. I also lover the comparison of the new top of the line tundra engine to the GM 5.3 mainstream engine. Also proves a lot.

Oh yeah, even with all that the Denali is still faster, as proven by the time slip posted in the other thread.

No its not. As proven by the time slip posted in the other thread. BTW another Tundra set a record of 13.7 at 98 this past weekend. Show me A denali that runs that. How about this. You find me one Denali in Houston and I will run it in my CM(the heaviest tundra available). I will also do a truck pull with one.

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 07:10 PM
What amazes me is what a lonely stroke you must be to keep registering under different names on a domestic web site just to spew worthless shit!!!

Get a fucking life, really. If you think that extra weight + AWD = extra cornering traction you are nuts. You could make an argument for the suspension, but the Corvette gets along very well with the very low unsprung weight it has. You talk about brakes and suspension and fail to consider extra weight into the equation. A car with substantially extra weight needs those upgrades just to be even with a lighter car. Not to mention that the Z06 also has very high tech suspension and very high tech brakes(6 piston front, 4 rear). Shit, even the base Corvette has available adaptive Magnetic Ride Control.

You are a truly sad individual with very poor communication skills. You struggle just to compose a properly structured or punctuated sentence, and then fail to even come close to proving a point. Why dont you just take the next banning as a hint and STAY THE FUCK OUT. This site is designed to be a primarily TECH web site, as stated in the name. It is also intended mostly for Gen III/IV powered GM vehicles, also as stated in the name. Nowhere in the title does it say "import-fag-fanboy-troll-piece-of-shit-nontech.com". Take that as your second hint. Also note how most of your posts are received in the forums- NOT WELL. You are not welcome nor wanted here as noted by the responses you get in addition to the previously mentioned bannings- take that as your third hint.

Now :gtfo:

Sorry, it needed to be repeated. I forgot I was dealing with a person with the reading comprehension of a 5 year old.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 07:10 PM
"Our testers weren't ideally matched: A fairer comparison would've been to have the Tundra with the 271-horsepower, 4.7-liter V-8 ($37,935) or the Silverado with the optional 367-horse, 6.0-liter engine ($36,500)"

Wow, you can have more HP in the Chevy for less money, they should have done that comparison.

Money is subjective as well.

Why didnt you quote the whole statement?

"""Yet the Tundra's 5.7 is such a stormer, even the bigger engine wouldn't have been enough for the Chevy to overcome the Toyota's performance advantage."""

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 07:11 PM
No its not. As proven by the time slip posted in the other thread. BTW another Tundra set a record of 13.7 at 98 this past weekend. Show me A denali that runs that. How about this. You find me one Denali in Houston and I will run it in my CM(the heaviest tundra available). I will also do a truck pull with one.

Back to comparing a crew cab to a SC/SB. You Toyota guys are getting used to rigging things in your favor, just like the commercials.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 07:18 PM
Back to comparing a crew cab to a SC/SB. You Toyota guys are getting used to rigging things in your favor, just like the commercials.

http://www.trailerboats.com/output.cfm?id=1210051

http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/news/miscnews/cr073.html

"Mr. Champion says, “at 10,300-pounds, the Tundra’s towing capacity rivals that of the heavy-duty diesel trucks."


Well lets put this into perspective, Edmunds tested a 4x4 DC with a curb weight of 5637lb. And note in the link below, the statement under
-Acceleration Comments-
"All the best runs were made with traction control off*, but with prudent throttle modulation to keep the rear tires from evaporating. Wow, this thing is quick!"
obviously implies the runs were made in 2wd mode
Comparison Test: 2007 Half-Ton Pickup Trucks

And when testing the all new Hot Rodded 2007 GMC Sierra Denali with a 403hp/417lb-ft trq 6.2L with a 6sp auto, this is what they had to say:

"this 5,309-pound two-wheel-drive truck hauls to 60 mph in just 6.5 seconds and rips through the quarter-mile in 15.0 seconds at 92.1 mph".

"But the GMC Sierra Denali is not the quickest truck on the market. That title is held by the new Toyota Tundra with its 381-hp, 5.7-liter V8. In our testing, the four-wheel-drive Tundra Double Cab pounds to 60 mph in just 6.3 seconds and runs the quarter-mile in 14.8 seconds at 93.7 mph, even though it weighs 328 pounds more than the Sierra Denali.
Sometimes power isn't enough to guarantee dominance. Or maybe either GMC or Toyota or both are wrong about the power numbers they're publishing."
Full Test: 2007 GMC Sierra Denali


http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...8/pageNumber=1

Nice try.

Heavier vehicle with less power accelerates faster than one with more power! :gtfo: Sorry to bust your bubble

modmotor
10-29-2007, 07:34 PM
Back to comparing a crew cab to a SC/SB. You Toyota guys are getting used to rigging things in your favor, just like the commercials.

http://www.trucktrend.com/roadtests/pickup/163_0706_full_size_truck_comparison/

""'GM's latest 6.0-liter adds active fuel management and variable valve timing to its single-cam pushrod aluminum block. It's rated at 367 horsepower at 5500 rpm and 375 pound-feet at 4300 rpm, just 14 and 26, respectively, shy of the Tundra. The Toyota also has the wider powerband on paper with 2000 rpm between peaks as opposed to the 6.0-liter's 1200 rpm.
""'

"""
Margins like that seem almost insignificant and might be with equal gearing. However, gearing isn't equal, with Tundra's 4.30:1 axle ratio besting GM's shortest-available 4.10:1, and the disparity in gear choices. Combine the Toyota's higher output with deeper gears, and it puts nearly 20 percent more twist to the wheels in first gear and the gap widens from there (see sidebar, "The Gear Box"). With $23,000 cars and SUVs sporting six-speed automatics, the General can't get them in $35,000 pickups soon enough."""


"""Those advantages translate to enough extra grunt that the Tundra accelerated an average of 18 percent quicker in our battery of towing tests, which included grades, 0-to-65, 45-to-65, and 20-to-65 mph, the last because even when towing a heavy load, the Tundra's engine spun the tires to invoke traction control at starts. And with more gear choices to optimize efficiency, the Tundra averaged 15 percent better fuel economy in the process. We watched the readouts carefully and didn't see the GMC's V-4 mode display very often, noting it primarily at drop throttle. In EPA rankings, the GMC rates 1.0 mpg better, numbers our real-world exercises (towing, hauling, highway, city) didn't agree with."""


"""With the GMC equipped for family recreation as tested, its price advantage of a few hundred dollars, more appealing interior package, and greater payload capacity aren't enough to overcome the Tundra's superior powertrain performance, safety equipment, larger cabin, and better fuel economy in every situation. The third time is indeed the charm for Toyota, as this third-generation full-size pickup has set the benchmark another notch higher."""

modmotor
10-29-2007, 07:43 PM
http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/autoshows/sema2007/toyota/tundradually1.html

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 07:50 PM
So Edmunds is your new favorite source? Is that because CR refuses to recommend the Tundra or Camry?

Seriously, get a life. Do they hate you on the Tundra forums also? Why do you spend so much time on here? With all the plastic you haul around all day you would think you have enough to mold yourself a girlfriend or something instead of spending time on boards that have NOTHING to do with anything you own. And in that time contributing absolutely nothing.

How many bans until you figure out you are not wanted here? There are plenty of people on here who post for "the other side", and none of them are as disliked as you. You know why, because they are not completely moronic and too dumb to realize when they are wrong. I love the "modmotor" screen name also, trying to camo yourself while ripping on the F150. (You do realize it has a modular Ford engine, right?)

I also love how in one thread you say that you tow 14000 lbs every day, but now it is 20000. Get your fuckin story straight.

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 07:52 PM
http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/autoshows/sema2007/toyota/tundradually1.html

WOW, a concept truck.

Here is a concept- make a tailgate that can hold up to some weight, a torque converter that knows when to unlock, and cams that stay in one piece.

Back to reality- Diesel GM 1/2 tons are already confirmed, 3/4 and 1 tons have been produced for years, and you are an idiot.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 08:00 PM
So Edmunds is your new favorite source? Is that because CR refuses to recommend the Tundra or Camry?

Seriously, get a life. Do they hate you on the Tundra forums also? Why do you spend so much time on here? With all the plastic you haul around all day you would think you have enough to mold yourself a girlfriend or something instead of spending time on boards that have NOTHING to do with anything you own. And in that time contributing absolutely nothing.

How many bans until you figure out you are not wanted here? There are plenty of people on here who post for "the other side", and none of them are as disliked as you. You know why, because they are not completely moronic and too dumb to realize when they are wrong. I love the "modmotor" screen name also, trying to camo yourself while ripping on the F150. (You do realize it has a modular Ford engine, right?)


I also love how in one thread you say that you tow 14000 lbs every day, but now it is 20000. Get your fuckin story straight.

No way can I tow 20k on a daily basis. I made that trip within 10miles going 15-20mph. I tow on an average 12-14k lbs daily and drive over 200miles a day. This is why I opted to purchase another truck a diesel.

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 08:12 PM
That alone is 20k lbs, in which I tow on a daily basis. Those Polyethelyne bags are 3000lbs a skid(x5) which equals to 15 + 4500_lb trailor. Never ran to any problems and even drove this load 180miles to San Antonio.



Yeah, you never said that.

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 08:15 PM
Moron. :gtfo:

modmotor
10-29-2007, 08:31 PM
Yeah, you never said that.

The 14k lb load was towed to San Antonio, were our other plant is located. My mistake on the 20k lb.

Hydramatic
10-29-2007, 08:42 PM
So Edmunds is your new favorite source? Is that because CR refuses to recommend the Tundra or Camry?

Seriously, get a life. Do they hate you on the Tundra forums also? Why do you spend so much time on here? With all the plastic you haul around all day you would think you have enough to mold yourself a girlfriend or something instead of spending time on boards that have NOTHING to do with anything you own. And in that time contributing absolutely nothing.

How many bans until you figure out you are not wanted here? There are plenty of people on here who post for "the other side", and none of them are as disliked as you. You know why, because they are not completely moronic and too dumb to realize when they are wrong. I love the "modmotor" screen name also, trying to camo yourself while ripping on the F150. (You do realize it has a modular Ford engine, right?)

I also love how in one thread you say that you tow 14000 lbs every day, but now it is 20000. Get your fuckin story straight.

+1.

His sources are liars too. The fastest 1/2 ton pickup was, and still is, the SRT-10. Period. End of Story. The Tundra can't touch it.

Also, the 8.1L would rip the Toy 5.7L a new asshole in a pulling competition. Hey modmotor, do you even understand what the 8.1L is? It's a BIG BLOCK U-HAUL/R.V. MOTOR. I don't see the toy 5.7L pulling ANY applications that heavy. The 8.1L rivals the Duramax in outright pulling power, but costs much less to make, thus its popularity.

Another thing, there is no way in hell that the Toy 6-speed is tougher than the GM 4L80E or new 6-speed. No Way. There is a big difference in the composition of materials used in each application. Japanese metals were traditionally weak, and still are...

Also, wasn't the T100 the "truck that's changing it all" ?

Could've swore they used that on the OLD TUNDRA too!

Finally, you are outright DELUSIONAL if you really think the Tundra will EVER top Dodge in pickup sales. Have you taken a look at the ALL NEW Ram slated for release in the next year or so, complete with a brand new engine and transmission lineup? What about the fact that GM will be upgrading their engines and transmissions in a year or so? And then there's Ford, who plan on releasing the next refresh of the F150 with the long-delayed Boss(Hurricane) V8. What does Toyota plan to do about that? Did they take into consideration that ALL of the Domestic offerings were at the very end of their power/drivetrain life cycles? Toyota is about to get bitch-slapped three times in a row in the truck market, followed by more donkey punches from the big three with cars like the new Mustang,Camaro, and Challenger(which Toyota no longer has a direct competitor for...) and the new G8, Impala, Malibu, LY Mopars, Saturn's Astra, the newish Focus(to a lesser extent), and of course the replacement for the Crown Vic(if and when it comes...)

OKcruising
10-29-2007, 09:15 PM
I'm surprised this troll hasn't been banned yet for being super fruity up toyota's tailpipe.

Uhm, yea, seconding the 8.1 argument (i got one in my avalanche) I'd bend your frame (and tailgate too haha) in a tug of war. And further to the point... come back when your 5.7 toyota motor will run on 82 octane gas, kick out over 400ft lbs, and run WOT in 110 degree heat for days on end. These are industrial engines to boot, so the power generation guys run these things wayyyyyyy longer than you'd imagine.

Uhm, fastest 1/2 ton is the Dodge SRT10, no shock there.
The 4L80 will take a cleveland steamer all over your toyota 6 speed.
What transmission do the super hp supra guys run? TH400's. Guess who's it's direct offspring? the electronic overdriver 80/85.

Also, I'd like to see what state you tow your 14K lbs in, your insurance know about that too?. I'm calling B.S. that or state troopers love to pull you over.

I can't count all the times various other 8.1 farm trucks along at 80mph pulling 12K like it's nothing. I've beaten dmax's loaded 5K lbs each (race cars on our trailers) to 70mph. It's actually documented that among the stockers, the GM gassers beat the GM diesels to speed loaded.


besides, this thread is going offtopic.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 09:43 PM
I'm surprised this troll hasn't been banned yet for being super fruity up toyota's tailpipe.

Uhm, yea, seconding the 8.1 argument (i got one in my avalanche) I'd bend your frame (and tailgate too haha) in a tug of war. And further to the point... come back when your 5.7 toyota motor will run on 82 octane gas, kick out over 400ft lbs, and run WOT in 110 degree heat for days on end. These are industrial engines to boot, so the power generation guys run these things wayyyyyyy longer than you'd imagine.

Uhm, fastest 1/2 ton is the Dodge SRT10, no shock there.
The 4L80 will take a cleveland steamer all over your toyota 6 speed.
What transmission do the super hp supra guys run? TH400's. Guess who's it's direct offspring? the electronic overdriver 80/85.

Also, I'd like to see what state you tow your 14K lbs in, your insurance know about that too?. I'm calling B.S. that or state troopers love to pull you over.

I can't count all the times various other 8.1 farm trucks along at 80mph pulling 12K like it's nothing. I've beaten dmax's loaded 5K lbs each (race cars on our trailers) to 70mph. It's actually documented that among the stockers, the GM gassers beat the GM diesels to speed loaded.


besides, this thread is going offtopic.

Look dummy, the Tundra makes over 400ftlb stock. O read this:

http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/news/miscnews/cr073.html


""According to the CR test results, the new 5.7 tundra it is a little faster than the diesel 2500 chevy and F250 when pulling a 7400lb trailer to 60mph.
Tundra 16.1 seconds, Chevy 17, Ford 18.9.

It smoked the 1/2 ton chevy and ford.

Chevy 22.6 seconds, Ford 24.1
These numbers do dispel a few myths.

I know The Tundra it not a 3/4 ton and not as great for a long heavy tow but I think this is pretty impressive.

CR's overall trip/mixed MPG for the tundra was 18. That is exactly my average.
The diesel F250 13, 2500 chevy 17,

1/2 ton chevy 18, ford 17.


"""The Tundra beat all the heavy duty diesel pickups in CR’s 0 to 60-mph acceleration tests towing the 7,400-pounds trailer. The three-quarter-ton acceleration tests appear to have similar results to what we found during our recent Heavy Duty Shootout, which was done testing one-ton diesels. """



My insurance knows what I tow. I have a 500k dollar bond. Anyways, there is no law regarding the towing limit on a 1/2 ton truck. BTW I live in Texas, where deisels consistently tow over their limits.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 09:47 PM
I'm surprised this troll hasn't been banned yet for being super fruity up toyota's tailpipe.

Uhm, yea, seconding the 8.1 argument (i got one in my avalanche) I'd bend your frame (and tailgate too haha) in a tug of war. And further to the point... come back when your 5.7 toyota motor will run on 82 octane gas, kick out over 400ft lbs, and run WOT in 110 degree heat for days on end. These are industrial engines to boot, so the power generation guys run these things wayyyyyyy longer than you'd imagine.

Uhm, fastest 1/2 ton is the Dodge SRT10, no shock there.
The 4L80 will take a cleveland steamer all over your toyota 6 speed.
What transmission do the super hp supra guys run? TH400's. Guess who's it's direct offspring? the electronic overdriver 80/85.

Also, I'd like to see what state you tow your 14K lbs in, your insurance know about that too?. I'm calling B.S. that or state troopers love to pull you over.

I can't count all the times various other 8.1 farm trucks along at 80mph pulling 12K like it's nothing. I've beaten dmax's loaded 5K lbs each (race cars on our trailers) to 70mph. It's actually documented that among the stockers, the GM gassers beat the GM diesels to speed loaded.


besides, this thread is going offtopic.


Go to the Texas section and pose this question to the people that live or work by me. I converse with many people on here, that can attest to what I tow on a daily basis. IF you want, we can have a truck off. We can meet somewhere and video tape what happens. If I loose I loose, but I want to video tape it. And if you know any Denali that are down to run(that are stock) we can all meet.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 09:50 PM
I'm surprised this troll hasn't been banned yet for being super fruity up toyota's tailpipe.

Uhm, yea, seconding the 8.1 argument (i got one in my avalanche) I'd bend your frame (and tailgate too haha) in a tug of war. And further to the point... come back when your 5.7 toyota motor will run on 82 octane gas, kick out over 400ft lbs, and run WOT in 110 degree heat for days on end. These are industrial engines to boot, so the power generation guys run these things wayyyyyyy longer than you'd imagine.

Uhm, fastest 1/2 ton is the Dodge SRT10, no shock there.
The 4L80 will take a cleveland steamer all over your toyota 6 speed.
What transmission do the super hp supra guys run? TH400's. Guess who's it's direct offspring? the electronic overdriver 80/85.

Also, I'd like to see what state you tow your 14K lbs in, your insurance know about that too?. I'm calling B.S. that or state troopers love to pull you over.

I can't count all the times various other 8.1 farm trucks along at 80mph pulling 12K like it's nothing. I've beaten dmax's loaded 5K lbs each (race cars on our trailers) to 70mph. It's actually documented that among the stockers, the GM gassers beat the GM diesels to speed loaded.


besides, this thread is going offtopic.


Btw, our trucks run on regular, no supreme here buddy!

modmotor
10-29-2007, 09:55 PM
I'm surprised this troll hasn't been banned yet for being super fruity up toyota's tailpipe.

Uhm, yea, seconding the 8.1 argument (i got one in my avalanche) I'd bend your frame (and tailgate too haha) in a tug of war. And further to the point... come back when your 5.7 toyota motor will run on 82 octane gas, kick out over 400ft lbs, and run WOT in 110 degree heat for days on end. These are industrial engines to boot, so the power generation guys run these things wayyyyyyy longer than you'd imagine.

Uhm, fastest 1/2 ton is the Dodge SRT10, no shock there.
The 4L80 will take a cleveland steamer all over your toyota 6 speed.
What transmission do the super hp supra guys run? TH400's. Guess who's it's direct offspring? the electronic overdriver 80/85.

Also, I'd like to see what state you tow your 14K lbs in, your insurance know about that too?. I'm calling B.S. that or state troopers love to pull you over.

I can't count all the times various other 8.1 farm trucks along at 80mph pulling 12K like it's nothing. I've beaten dmax's loaded 5K lbs each (race cars on our trailers) to 70mph. It's actually documented that among the stockers, the GM gassers beat the GM diesels to speed loaded.


besides, this thread is going offtopic.


ITs funny my truck makes more power and 40ftlb less than yours, despite having 2.4 liters less.

Lets do something this weekend so we can put this to rest. I will meet you half way if you wish or I will pay for your gas to Houston.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 10:01 PM
Back to comparing a crew cab to a SC/SB. You Toyota guys are getting used to rigging things in your favor, just like the commercials.

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/08/09/gm-to-recall-over-38-000-suvs-trucks-to-prevent-potential-engin/


O how we forget the fire recall. Why didnt you mention this, when mentioning the 20 reports cam failures with the Tundra? Wow

OKcruising
10-29-2007, 10:34 PM
I'm talking 82 octane. Thank you. Come again!
I deleted your pm... didn't feel like wasting my time on a toytroll.

Sorry, don't know any denali's.
Interesting... you want to fight my points, but why didn't you go after the 4L80?
Aww... poor baby.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 10:38 PM
I'm talking 82 octane. Thank you. Come again!
I deleted your pm... didn't feel like wasting my time on a toytroll.

Sorry, don't know any denali's.
Interesting... you want to fight my points, but why didn't you go after the 4L80?
Aww... poor baby.

Who in the hell carries 82 octane? Lowest here is 87 and thats what my truck requires.

Your so confident in your truck, yet you refuse my offer. What do you have to lose? I really do find it pathetic, your boasting about an 8.1 liter making less power than me, with a smaller powerband. When you have your facts correct, give me a buzz. Until then, your truck would get drugged!

OKcruising
10-29-2007, 10:39 PM
Sorry, not interested in wasting 400 bucks on gas to go down and back, what can I say, I got titty bar plans this weekend. I'm not ashamed I get 8mpg, it's just my daily driver. Besides, it's houston and I'm not interested in getting carjacked again unless I come with a boomstick.

Yea... 2.4L less... ladifuckinda. typical excuse by a ricer.

you come up to dallas and I'll contemplate it

and the 82 octane is from the durability req's that they use on the 8.1's fascinating read really.
I could care less what toyota does, I got 2 lexi (dropped 3GS430 and stocker IS350) too, you think I'm a GM fanboy? I'm a fanboy of what works, it dont make a damn bit of difference to me.

and i'm still surprised that this thread aint locked.
This is supposed to a ZR1>all thread, and you've destroyed it.


Go over performance-trucks.net and talk your shit over there. Theres probably a few guys over there local to you happy to take up the offer.

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 10:43 PM
Who in the hell carries 82 octane? Lowest here is 87 and thats what my truck requires.

Your so confident in your truck, yet you refuse my offer. What do you have to lose? I really do find it pathetic, your boasting about an 8.1 liter making less power than me, with a smaller powerband. When you have your facts correct, give me a buzz. Until then, your truck would get drugged!

Look up the torque curves and compare them, the 8.1 looks like a table top.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 10:43 PM
Sorry, not interested in wasting 400 bucks on gas. I'm not ashamed I get 8mpg, it's just my daily driver. Besides, it's houston and I'm not interested in getting carjacked again unless I come strapped.

Yea... 2.4L less... ladifuckinda. typical excuse.

you come up to dallas and I'll contemplate it.

and the 82 octane is from the durability req's that they use on the 8.1's fascinating read really.

How far are oyu from Lewisville? I will meet you there if you wish this weekend. Bring the camara and beers and will video tape it. Its all shits and giggles for me. PM your cell and I will come down there Friday and well set it up for Saturday.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 10:45 PM
Look up the torque curves and compare them, the 8.1 looks like a table top.

I did and the Tundra makes it sooner and has a longer powerband.

OKcruising
10-29-2007, 10:57 PM
Haha, if it's for shits and giggles and cordial I may very well entertain that thought, lemme see my schedule though; I'll have to get back to you earliest on wednesday if it's good or not.
If it's in the name of tire destruction, then it's all good. But don't go out of your way up here, it aint worth the drive for 30 minutes hahahaha.

I'll scrounge at least a camera, I'll find my video camera. Shiner bock, naturally.

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 10:59 PM
I did and the Tundra makes it sooner and has a longer powerband.

You did, huh? Show me a graph that shows the Tundra making 400 tq from just over 1000 rpm to redline. You cant. The 8.1 probably makes more torque at idle than the Tundra makes at 2000 rpm.

Dont pull the ricer/ Supra shit and only look at peak numbers, you have to look at average tq over the whole powerband, and the 8.1 makes almost any other gas engine look silly.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 11:05 PM
You did, huh? Show me a graph that shows the Tundra making 400 tq from just over 1000 rpm to redline. You cant. The 8.1 probably makes more torque at idle than the Tundra makes at 2000 rpm.

Dont pull the ricer/ Supra shit and only look at peak numbers, you have to look at average tq over the whole powerband, and the 8.1 makes almost any other gas engine look silly.



Search and you will find an STS turbo Avalanche with before and after graphs.

I am waiting on the offer from Ok. I am willing to drive up there, if your willing to do a tow off.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 11:09 PM
You did, huh? Show me a graph that shows the Tundra making 400 tq from just over 1000 rpm to redline. You cant. The 8.1 probably makes more torque at idle than the Tundra makes at 2000 rpm.

Dont pull the ricer/ Supra shit and only look at peak numbers, you have to look at average tq over the whole powerband, and the 8.1 makes almost any other gas engine look silly.

It makes it look silly how? By making 320hp and 455ftlb of torque. Big freakin deal. What is so impressive about that? That truck makes 45ftlb more than me, with 2.4 liters more. LOL, what an accomplishment while getting 8mpg.

Now you show me an Avalanche making 400ftlb just above 1000rpm.

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 11:10 PM
Search and you will find an STS turbo Avalanche with before and after graphs.

I am waiting on the offer from Ok. I am willing to drive up there, if your willing to do a tow off.

What the hell does an Avalanche have to do with it? Was there a Tundra on the dyno on the same day? Were the pulls done down to 1000 rpm? You cant compare private shop dyno numbers, my car has dynoed 30 rwhp different on the same brand of dyno on different days, no changes and corrected numbers. And what I asked for was a Tundra dyno sheet.

Look on the GM powertrain site and see what the different versions of the 8.1 do on an engine dyno, and look at the powerband. Your precious 5.7 will never have one that looks like it.

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 11:13 PM
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2008/HPT%20Library/Big%20Block%20V8/2008_81L_L18_LRW_TopKick.pdf

That is what a flat powerband looks like.

And if you really want to look silly, check out the marine version.
http://www.gm.com/explore/technology/gmpowertrain/engines/specialized/marine/2008_8100_Marine.pdf

modmotor
10-29-2007, 11:18 PM
What the hell does an Avalanche have to do with it? Was there a Tundra on the dyno on the same day? Were the pulls done down to 1000 rpm? You cant compare private shop dyno numbers, my car has dynoed 30 rwhp different on the same brand of dyno on different days, no changes and corrected numbers. And what I asked for was a Tundra dyno sheet.

Look on the GM powertrain site and see what the different versions of the 8.1 do on an engine dyno, and look at the powerband. Your precious 5.7 will never have one that looks like it.


Power of that truck is pathetic! Plain and simple. Viper makes 500hp and 500ftlb with the same displacement. Bmw makes 500hp and 400ftlb with 4.4 liters. Hell even the LS7 makes 505hp and 480ftlb with 7.0 liters. This motor is anemic for its size and it struggles to make any decent power.
What a waste of time and gas.

OKcruising
10-29-2007, 11:19 PM
From the stock stall, about 1800rpm up through the shiftpoint 4400rpm, it's just locomotive grunt. I've always thought about boosting her, but it's just the daily driver. Hoping to get an F450, dependent on a few things however.

It was designed for rebuilds at the earliest of 200K miles. Yea its anemic, but a decent cam and heads and the thing opens wide up. It's well known the 8100's have practically no aftermarket. Go look at Tierods truck, his was the pinnacle of aftermarket 8.1's... But a first gear of 2.56.. axles of 4.11... and a low range of 2.72 helps.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 11:23 PM
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2008/HPT%20Library/Big%20Block%20V8/2008_81L_L18_LRW_TopKick.pdf

That is what a flat powerband looks like.

And if you really want to look silly, check out the marine version.
http://www.gm.com/explore/technology/gmpowertrain/engines/specialized/marine/2008_8100_Marine.pdf

What a waste. Pittiful power curve on both, despite its displacement. LOL at the 8.1 liter. Im literally dying inside at these numbers Im suppose to be impressed with. Really, Im laughing inside.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 11:24 PM
From the stock stall, about 1800rpm up through the shiftpoint 4400rpm, it's just locomotive grunt. I've always thought about boosting her, but it's just the daily driver. Hoping to get an F450, dependent on a few things however.


Are you game?

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 11:28 PM
What a waste. Pittiful power curve on both, despite its displacement. LOL at the 8.1 liter. Im literally dying inside at these numbers Im suppose to be impressed with. Really, Im laughing inside.

You realy do make yourself look more and more stupid with every post.

Hey, dumbass, you are supposed to be looking at the TORQUE curve, which is what is most important in a large truck. You have no idea at all what you are talking about. Anyone who could look at those graphs and not think that is a great torque curve is completely retarded, so I should have expected it.

I am now completely convinced that you are 13 years old, dont own a car, have no idea about cars, and the closest you have come to any of these vehicles you rave about is drawing them during class.

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 11:31 PM
Power of that truck is pathetic! Plain and simple. Viper makes 500hp and 500ftlb with the same displacement. Bmw makes 500hp and 400ftlb with 4.4 liters. Hell even the LS7 makes 505hp and 480ftlb with 7.0 liters. This motor is anemic for its size and it struggles to make any decent power.
What a waste of time and gas.
Just more proof what a complete moron you are, comparing performance engines to a truck engine. Just like a diesel the 8.1 is intended to make most of its power low in the rpm range, starting just off idle.

What do any of those engine do below 2000 rpm?

You truly have no clue.

OKcruising
10-29-2007, 11:32 PM
I'll have to get back to you wed. to know if I'm game for it or not; I'm contracted to work on a RX7.

mzoomora
10-29-2007, 11:35 PM
I'll have to get back to you wed. to know if I'm game for it or not; I'm contracted to work on a RX7.

Dont even bother. This kid is nothing but a lonely troll who has no clue. He probably wouldnt even show up and come up with some kind of excuse.

modmotor
10-29-2007, 11:36 PM
You realy do make yourself look more and more stupid with every post.

Hey, dumbass, you are supposed to be looking at the TORQUE curve, which is what is most important in a large truck. You have no idea at all what you are talking about. Anyone who could look at those graphs and not think that is a great torque curve is completely retarded, so I should have expected it.

I am now completely convinced that you are 13 years old, dont own a car, have no idea about cars, and the closest you have come to any of these vehicles you rave about is drawing them during class.

When I think of a torque monster, Im thinking of a cummins, duramax or powerstroker making 650ftlb stock, not 45ftlb more than me.

OKcruising
10-29-2007, 11:42 PM
Well, I quasi agree there modmotor... but a diesel wouldn't work dimensionally. Had to be be able to fit inside of a downtown parking lot, seat 5 people comfortably. Otherwise, I just grab a diesel off the farm if I ever need it.


Not that I got anything to win out of it except for ego... and the potential of broken parts that tug-of-wars cause. Hmmm... I'm always inclined to do stupid stuff in my daily driver *sarcasm* while I had a sorta fleeting intention of actually meeting to settle it, I realized at the end of the day, all I'd do is hold the brakes, let him smoke all 4, and then while i'm in 4lo, just creep along at off-idle and go; praying not to vaporize the tires. I've done some mean roastings pulling 1tons out of mud and snow banks. but then again, that's an average of 420x4.11x2.56x2.78=stupid torque talking. Or wait till he's lost traction and drag race down the parking lot, my acceleration and speed is not affected by having a trailer in back, it just doesnt notice anything below 7Klbs. It's a veritable clusterfuck that really accomplishes little.

If it was the vette vs. a supra, sure I'd lose, but damn it'd be a hoot (seriously... my truck is caressed compared to the C5Z and if something blows, then so be it, money can be drained on that car)

WECIV
10-29-2007, 11:59 PM
How large is that 8.1 litre marine engine...I bet it would be fun in an FBody?

W

WECIV
10-30-2007, 12:00 AM
Can someone just ban the trolls for pete sake.

W

ChaseSS
10-30-2007, 12:59 AM
Power of that truck is pathetic! Plain and simple. Viper makes 500hp and 500ftlb with the same displacement. Bmw makes 500hp and 400ftlb with 4.4 liters. Hell even the LS7 makes 505hp and 480ftlb with 7.0 liters. This motor is anemic for its size and it struggles to make any decent power.
What a waste of time and gas.

how in the world are you comparing those engines to the 8.1 ?? you really are pathetic and mzoomora has repeatedly/consistently proved you wrong on all your points :D for some dumb reason you think that peak hp/tq numbers are all that matter in your definition of a "work truck." You really are a moron, yet I still can't fathom why you spend so much time on this forum??? you really don't have anything better to do? You apparently run this plastics company yet you spend your time arguing for nippons against us??

zigroid
10-30-2007, 11:26 AM
tug of wars are all about gearing.

the 8.1 would win simply because it has more torque and is geared better. I dont understand why this is even being argued.

OctaneZ28
10-30-2007, 02:19 PM
Holy cow, I start a thread about a Corvette and it becomes a pissing match about trucks? WTF.

Also anyone repeatedly posting personal attacks will be given a vacation.

LOCKED!