Dynamometer Results & Comparisons - Mamofied AFR FAST90 238/240 9" rear 347

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Before and after Terms 234/240 112 lsa cam

205's fast90 238/240 113 lsa

I told Tony I liked to play in the upper rpms and didnt mind giving up some torque down low.

The previous combo isnt bad but it's all done when I'm just starting to think about shifting

loosing around 18hp and tq to the 9" handicap on the dyno and this is a mustang dyno as well, car is well mannered drives very well.

Looks good you picked up alot where you wanted it. Now like I said ENJOY it for awhile!

Man that dyno is stingy ;)

Looks like Toni hit the nail on the head. :nod: You still have plenty of power for driving around town. Now the car should be quicker in the 1/4 mile.

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Before and after Terms 234/240 112 lsa cam

205's fast90 238/240 113 lsa

I told Tony I liked to play in the upper rpms and didnt mind giving up some torque down low.

The previous combo isnt bad but it's all done when I'm just starting to think about shifting

loosing around 18hp and tq to the 9" handicap on the dyno and this is a mustang dyno as well, car is well mannered drives very well.

It look you have lost some power down low, doesn't make the car feeling strong on a daily bases with those low rwhp in the low revs.

How is the streetability around town now?

This low power in the low range is something that doesn't bothered the "well manered drive"?

Christian

No, that's the whole point of my setup. I was having real traction issues anytime I left a stop light with any force. I wantedmy powerband moved to where I use it more. Which is the upper rpms. I leave the light wait and match speeds of who ever I'm screwing with. When they have to shift I nail the gas.. which is around 4500-5000 rpms usually. Anyway I stomp on it when they shift while I'm still in first. Drop second and no one touches me. I had 224 112 lsa for a while.

As far as driveability it basicaly feels like stock until you hammer it. The dynontest doesnt start until 2500 rpms, so you really cant see power below that but. Its a v8, it doesnt just limp along at 300 ft lbs of torque. Traction is much more managable this way for me. I dont feather the clutch when I drive at all. With the tr224 my tires were going up in smoke all the time and I had to play catch up due to lack of traction.

You cant win a race by sitting at the starting line with your tires spinning. I've taken care of that. Had the setup built for my specific driving style.

Nice up top gains, we shall see if it makes a diff at the track if the theroy will hold true

Did you change the cam only? Or did you get a ported fast with the new cam? I don't really understad what you saying in the first post.

No, that's the whole point of my setup. I was having real traction issues anytime I left a stop light with any force. I wantedmy powerband moved to where I use it more. Which is the upper rpms. I leave the light wait and match speeds of who ever I'm screwing with. When they have to shift I nail the gas.. which is around 4500-5000 rpms usually. Anyway I stomp on it when they shift while I'm still in first. Drop second and no one touches me. I had 224 112 lsa for a while.

As far as driveability it basicaly feels like stock until you hammer it. The dynontest doesnt start until 2500 rpms, so you really cant see power below that but. Its a v8, it doesnt just limp along at 300 ft lbs of torque. Traction is much more managable this way for me. I dont feather the clutch when I drive at all. With the tr224 my tires were going up in smoke all the time and I had to play catch up due to lack of traction.

You cant win a race by sitting at the starting line with your tires spinning. I've taken care of that. Had the setup built for my specific drving style.

You're an idiot.

You're an idiot. LMAO!! WHy is that? Because I drive the way I want? Because I dont get time to go the track, thus 1/4 mile times mean nothing to me? I didnt build a drag queen, I built a road racer. My suspension is hard. My 60's are 2.4 avg with 2.6 being the high and 2.2 being the best. My gas mileage has improved and I dont have the issue of sitting still while my tires are spinning.
so how does that make me an idiot? My car is built exactly to the way I drive it. If you dont like the way I drive then stay out of my way and you wont get hurt. Did I give up low end torque? Hell yes, This is my 3rd cam swap. I know what I like. I gave up more torque everytime and have found no negative effects what so ever.
Or is it the fact you dont like me fucking with people at a light? Either way unless you expound your comment your just being a troll with a useless comment. You must have a reason for your answer what is it?


To the other guy I went from Terms and a 234 to AFR and a 238

All I was looking for was top end gain. I have my reason for it. I'd rather down shift and explode with power at 4000 rpms then have a bunch of torque that isn't as effective. I like to roll from 4000 rpms. I havent lost yet with the new combo and it isnt even close when I race. I and my car are not drag queens, its a different type of power. Also my car 4050 lbs with a half tank of gas. If I wanted to serious drag race I'd need to up the cubic inches or make the car go on a severe diet and then get an auto tranny because lets face it... autos work so much better at the track. PUsh the gas and keep it straight. Not my idea of driving.

No, that's the whole point of my setup. I was having real traction issues anytime I left a stop light with any force. I wantedmy powerband moved to where I use it more. Which is the upper rpms. I leave the light wait and match speeds of who ever I'm screwing with. When they have to shift I nail the gas.. which is around 4500-5000 rpms usually. Anyway I stomp on it when they shift while I'm still in first. Drop second and no one touches me. I had 224 112 lsa for a while.

As far as driveability it basicaly feels like stock until you hammer it. The dynontest doesnt start until 2500 rpms, so you really cant see power below that but. Its a v8, it doesnt just limp along at 300 ft lbs of torque. Traction is much more managable this way for me. I dont feather the clutch when I drive at all. With the tr224 my tires were going up in smoke all the time and I had to play catch up due to lack of traction.

You cant win a race by sitting at the starting line with your tires spinning. I've taken care of that. Had the setup built for my specific drving style.

Hi 99blancoSS,

We had a animated debate together on this subject beginning of August this year, and it seems that you have adjusted your opinion, you did follow my path!!!!!!

In reference find the thread mentioned above in the link below (take care...strong words inside!!!!!):

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=761227

My combo gained BIG rwhp up top...BUT didnt loose anything down low...

Christian

Ahh, no I wasnt wrong then and arent now. I didnt say this was a street friendly setup, I said it was setup as to how I drive. Big difference. Maybe you drive the same way?
If I was building a street setup or to make my current one a street setup I'd go to the 224/228 cam. SO I can see where your coming from now at least. I still say the same. I just did different for my latest combo.

Side note: I need to change my heads gaskets to cometics .040. The Felpros are seeping. Dont ever go wth FelPro gaskets. My tuner now has a list of at least 8 people who have had issues with them seeping.

Honestly my car is faster now than it has ever been. I'm sure the 3.89's help with that though.

Now if you were to say hypocrite.. then you might be right...lol

Ahh, no I wasnt wrong then and arent now.

Hi 99blancoSS,

SORRY, you were wrong, but if you want to continue to argue join back the thread:

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=761227

Christian

Christian I'm not going to argue with you about it. You give up low end by going bigger and it isnt street friendly unless you drive a certain style. Yes the car drives fine but doesnt start to really kick until the upper rpms. Most street builds are looking for torque down low.

My tr224 put up over 325 ft lbs of tq at 3000 rpms and then at 3500 it was over 350 and at 3700 rpms its at 372. All with a canned tune and cam only. (dynojet numbers here)

I'm very qualified to say what I've said, I've got the dyno results on three different head and cam packages to prove it. In fact if you want I can send you all the dyno graphs and document my cars evolution for you.

I can also show you where the prc tr224 combo walked all over a fm13 tea 5.3 head combo.

I said it in your thread and I'll say it in this one. The bigger the cam the more latent the power the less the torque.

here some more data for you Christian: My tr224 with PRC 5.3 heads

2700 rpms 331 tq 4000rpms 377 tq max was 378 and these are Mustang dyno numbers here... add 30 to it to get dynojet numbers

You're an idiot.

Troll girl here didnt replay so I pm her.. this was her answer for calling me an idiot. Your the moron that is saying nobody can touch you, not me, btw I would drag that ass down the street, so stfu and diaf.

My car also has a nitro dave dual stage plate system and the engine was built for a 300 shot. Its plumbed for two 100 hits. I dont think your dragging me anywhere unless you've got 700 rwhp.

Who knows man, with running the Terms with the bigger cam and rockers, you might have gained most of that peak HP and kept some of it down low... I can't really see the Terms/port mismatch alone resulting in the 20-25HP gain considering we've made 490+ RWHP with the same heads you had. However, I'm sure the Tony Mamo Ported heads did pick up some power up top as well. Either way, as long as you're happy with the car, that is all that matters. Good luck with the setup!

Who knows man, with running the Terms with the bigger cam and rockers, you might have gained most of that peak HP and kept some of it down low... I can't really see the Terms/port mismatch alone resulting in the 20-25HP gain considering we've made 490+ RWHP with the same heads you had. However, I'm sure the Tony Mamo Ported heads did pick up some power up top as well. Either way, as long as you're happy with the car, that is all that matters. Good luck with the setup!

Hard to say about the bigger cam but I have and keep saying in retrospect that the Terms weren't that bad. The thing that upset me about the Terms was I baselined with them then added a fast90 and stepped headers and an EWP and gained nothing at all. Those numbers above are with the ls6 intake. The numbers with the fast on the terms are 404hp. I didnt use that graph as I'm trying to show best vs best for more accurate honest info.

Interesting results from a local guy here with your 233/239. He bolted up some stock 243's and gained like 40hp. He also went to the TSP true dual setup wich I'm sure added to the fact and a ported fast 90 I think as well.

He put down 431 and like 395-400tq on the same dyno. He doesnt have a 9" rear but it just goes to show you how good those 243 are over the other oem heads. I'm going to work on the exhaust now and see if I can free up some more power.

Really you could say the Terms and the 234/240 ls6 combo was pretty damn stout.

as long as your happy, dont waste yr time with the trolls

I think we should race from a roll in 3rd at 4k rpm. That would be fun....and don't bring up the bottle I can get one of those too :p Of course if we pass a cop it would be go to jail do not pass go.

Bobby as long as you pay the fines if we get caught you know I'm always up for it :D You can hand me my first loss.
Hey you saw that thread documenting the 18hp and tq through the 9" right?

as long as your happy, dont waste yr time with the trolls

Another subliminal message maybe???

And YES, as long as you are happy with what you have, abuse it, enjoy it and breath...it will not stay for ever.

Christian

Looks like you could take the RPM's a bit higher than what the dyno took it to (assuming you have decent rod bolts).

What do you shift at.

6800-6900.. ARP's all around

Side note: I need to change my heads gaskets to cometics .040. The Felpros are seeping. Dont ever go wth FelPro gaskets. My tuner now has a list of at least 8 people who have had issues with them seeping.


Haven't heard of any issues with Felpro gaskets on Gen III's. Probably the BEST gasket out there for the LS engines aside from having inadequate thickness offerings. 9 times out of 10 when I see head gaskets complaints it is one of two things - inadequate clamp load or detonation, surface finish would be next on the list.

Looks like you could take the RPM's a bit higher than what the dyno took it to (assuming you have decent rod bolts).

What do you shift at.
Good call....and honestly this combo should probably be shifted at 7-7200 to really take the most advantage of the new power curve. I bet the power hangs in there nicely. Ive built other similar set-ups and the power is fairly flat till 7K or so and even past there not dropping like a rock.

Im actually very pleased with outcome of this set-up....the results are solidly in line with what I had hoped for, and most importantly exactly what Chris had asked for.

When he and I first spoke he made it clear to me he wanted more top end grunt and was willing to give up a little bottom to get it. He said he felt his current combo laid down too quickly and he was looking for a package that would scream upstairs like it had a solid roller in it. Honestly I was tempted to go bigger with the cam but decided it would be better to optimize all the pieces and only breath on the cam just a little. I didnt want the car to be soggy on the bottom. I wanted it to feel similar there but run alot harder as the tach swept north. Most of you know I usually like building combo's that are a little more well rounded....in any application that spends a fair amount of time on the street that is always the best way to go long term.

Considering the car already had good pieces in it's baseline format, the gains we made were impressive IMO. The cam is only a touch bigger in duration but I ground it on a wider LSA to carry better (knowing both moves would hurt TQ slightly). Porting the un touched FAST was a no brainer to pick up 10 RWHP or so, and optimizing the 205's was obviously a good move as well, helping their proven design attributes work a little better.

I told Chris (Blanco) that I hoped when the smoke cleared we would be better than 430 RWHP, likely around 435, and an optimistic guess at 440....Mustang #'s of course....LOL, and all of them based on his previous 404 RWHP baseline (and testing on the same dyno of course when we were finished).

What I feel some people might be overlooking here are the gains Chris is feeling at 6500 plus....thats where the new set-up really shines. Where his previous combo was clearly on the downslope there, the new combo is pulling like a freight train. I bet at 6700 this set-up is close to 50 RWHP better. Take this new combo to the track....slide the clutch at 5500 at the tree....shift at 7100 or so if you dare, and this car would turn a significantly better ET and trap speed. The improvement in average power from 5500-7100 (the entire usable range at the strip) will propel this car with significantly more authority.

I wish I had the PM from Chris after he finally got a chance to dial in the fuel curve so he could play around in the higher R's at WOT....he was jazzed to say the least (of course hoping Tom's dyno would magically jump to 500 RWHP....LOL)

Anyway...Ive been meaning to jump in this thread but haven't had the chance getting ready for SEMA and putting out other fires at work and at home (almost literally here in So Cal!!).

Enjoy Chris.....bump that rev limiter a few hundred and see how good it feels grabbing the next gear!

(If you hurt the motor it just means it must have been time for a stroker! :secret2:)

Regards,
Tony

Side note: I need to change my heads gaskets to cometics .040. The Felpros are seeping. Dont ever go wth FelPro gaskets. My tuner now has a list of at least 8 people who have had issues with them seeping.


Haven't heard of any issues with Felpro gaskets on Gen III's. Probably the BEST gasket out there for the LS engines aside from having inadequate thickness offerings. 9 times out of 10 when I see head gaskets complaints it is one of two things - inadequate clamp load or detonation, surface finish would be next on the list.

I've done 3 sets of heads on this car, the Felpros are the only ones that seeped. They're junk IMO.

Thank you for all your help Tony, very happy with the car. Going to enjoy driving it for a while!!

Take this new combo to the track....slide the clutch at 5500 at the tree....shift at 7100 or so if you dare, and this car would turn a significantly better ET and trap speed. The improvement in average power from 5500-7100 (the entire usable range at the strip) will propel this car with significantly more authority.

Regards,
Tony

Looking at the shape of this dyno curve versus the new distribution of power, it' true that you don't want to live under 5400 rpm to use this last evolution and make it efficient...

With the OEM Gear Box ratio the shifting points will be at 7100 rpm to take any advantages from an encreasement in average power vs. acceleration .

I will be interested to see how this combo carries between 6800 rpm and 7100 rpm when the opportunity will be around.
Anyway it's nice to have a V8 NA screaming that high on a daily bases...

Christian

Man dont listen to these fucktards in this thread, 375 RWTQ @ 3500 through a 9" on a Mustang dyno is no slouch on the low end, anyone to say otherwise is the true idiot. I bet that car runs awesome.

Fuck the haters, the apparantly forgot they arent running through a 9" on a stingy mustang dyno either.

i dont understand man?! does a 9 inch really rob THAT much power? im such a mild build comapared to you and i made much more torque then you on the same exact dyno.. im running a torquer 2, STOCK 243 heads, untouched 90/90 and TSP TDs and i made 431rwhp and 394ftlbs? what gives?
P.S. im not hating on the numbers.. im sure your car rolls out

oh yeah just to clarify: the cams a 232/234 .595/.598 112, and its an UNported 90/90 with UNported 243s

Man dont listen to these fucktards in this thread, 375 RWTQ @ 3500 through a 9" on a Mustang dyno is no slouch on the low end, anyone to say otherwise is the true idiot. I bet that car runs awesome.

Fuck the haters, the apparantly forgot they arent running through a 9" on a stingy mustang dyno either.

Actually at 3500 rpm his new combo is putting down 325 torque not 375. Great gains though in the upper rpm's.

i dont understand man?! does a 9 inch really rob THAT much power? im such a mild build comapared to you and i made much more torque then you on the same exact dyno.. im running a torquer 2, STOCK 243 heads, untouched 90/90 and TSP TDs and i made 431rwhp and 394ftlbs? what gives?
P.S. im not hating on the numbers.. im sure your car rolls out

Joey the 9" eats 18hp and tq. There is a thread in the dyno section where someone went from a 10 bolt 342 gears to a moser 9" 411 gear. Dyno before and after shows the 18hp and tq loss. I will say your car is a freak though. OEM 243 heads and you put down 431. That is impressive to say the least on Toms dyno. You hit the right combo for sure. Makes me look at my exhaust again and see what I can do to pick up some hp. Congrats on your work. (ps I know your not a hater) I was at Tom a couple days after you dynoed. We were looking at it. HE wont let me go to the TSP duals..lol But I'm sure that helps with your output. Great flowing exhaust doesnt hurt anything.

Christian everytime I drive the car I hit 7000 rpms. I'm a stay at home dad so my daily driver has evolved a bit.

As far as speed I'm about 10-15 mph quicker. I have a straight away I measure my car performance on. I usually hit 100mph from the light. I'm hitting 115-120 now. My best 1/4 was a 13.2 with the previous setup and 2.4 avg 60'. I dont slip the clutch I just drop it and hammer down. The only spot this combo isnt as good is down low. But down low I'm not racing. I race up high. I dont mid giving up tire spin to get the top end.

I'll hit a dynojet, Tony wants me to as well, so we can see some comparable numbers. My tuner uses a mustang dyno because its a superior tuning tool, it's a bit on the stingy side.

I expect some haters, I certainly dont hold back when I comment. Christian my tastes have changed but my opinion hasnt. Big cams arent for daily driven heavy street cars. Mine is no longer daily driven or I'd most likely be using Tony's 224/228 spec cam, although I honestly like the way the car accelerates now. I'm actualy getting better gas mileage as well.

What kind of tires were you on with those abysmal 60's? With a 9" and all of your power I would think you'd be able to do MUCH MUCH better than 2.2-2.6. What is the deal?

With an untuned stock car on 245 nitto's I was able to cut some 1.9x's and that isn't anything spectacular.

I know this sounds like I'm bashing you, but it sounds like you are trying to change the car instead of improving your driving/launching technique. The gas pedal is not a toggle switch :secret:

Christian everytime I drive the car I hit 7000 rpms. I'm a stay at home dad so my daily driver has evolved a bit.

Hi 99blancoSS,

Nice to hear that you are taking advantage of your new power using the correct power band, Tony build it for that purpose I guess, under your requirements...

We have all the privilege to mod those big V8 and run them with some good amount of power without any homologation like TUV for Europe.
And we can make them rev high with some reasonable loudness without any problem...drive it where it wants to be, let it scream to 7000+rpm, that's his life.
This is one of my many positive dicovery from the American way of life I made, and I am as every member here taking advantage of it...
When you have a chance, post a vid of your screaming engine through the gears!!!

I'll hit a dynojet, Tony wants me to as well, so we can see some comparable numbers. My tuner uses a mustang dyno because its a superior tuning tool, it's a bit on the stingy side.

Thank you to take the time to go this way, that will bring to the community some informative data, as you know the Dynojets are popular and 90% of the dyno numbers around are issue from Dynojet...it will be helpful definitively.

I will not debate of which dyno is better, but for obvious dynamic reasons the Dynojet is more a compare tool than a tuning tool, for a Corvette at least, and that's my opinion only...

Christian my tastes have changed but my opinion hasnt. Big cams arent for daily driven heavy street cars. Mine is no longer daily driven or I'd most likely be using Tony's 224/228 spec cam, although I honestly like the way the car accelerates now .

I can easily imagine your are not the kind of person changing of opinion everyday...during our different discussions and debates together my intention was never there, trust me, I respect the position of everyone in life.

On the other hand the facts and evidences I did provide to you are there and my multiple demonstrations are just rational, data and numbers I am providing are simply not lying, that's a fact and the reality.
Then I will not change a word on what I did mention previously, just because the data and numbers will not change.

May I say I am an old lucky guy with an exceptional powerful combo totally streetable...why not...everytime I am sharing info from my experience with any member here it is with the wish that they will find a way to make their "big cam" as wild and tame than mine.

Who knows, you will maybe find a way to make your 13* of overlap@0.050 and you IVC@48* more streetable with the proper adjustments and some more tuning.

I'm actualy getting better gas mileage as well.

Interesting don't you think, would that not mean better efficiency, whence some possible drivability improvement???

Waiting to hear your engine screaming high and loud on Youtube (I will imagine the grind on your face)

Christian

Better gas mileage. More miles per tank. My car is fully streetable and drives like a dream, not sure what your talking about there. Most people want torque right off the get go. I wanted it moved along a bit before it hits. If I'm not racing I shift at 2-2500 rpms. Anytime I shift above that I'm not worried about gas and push it to what ever rpm is needed to get my point across. Thats the way I drive and have driven all my combo's.
I've stated my reasons over and over but you seem to keep not getting it. Cant say anymore than I already have. I either WOT or just barely on it.
The car is docile until I want it to be otherwise and I did that by controling my powerband and manipulating it where I wanted it to be. OR I should say AFR/Tony Mamo did it per my request.

Your also approaching stalker status with me and will be on the iggy list, thank you for your time and understanding.

hey how are you hooking up? all i do is haze the 275nittos in 1-2nd gear.. and if i use the bottle... 4th gear
i WANT a new rear end, but im broke right now :(

What kind of tires were you on with those abysmal 60's? With a 9" and all of your power I would think you'd be able to do MUCH MUCH better than 2.2-2.6. What is the deal?

With an untuned stock car on 245 nitto's I was able to cut some 1.9x's and that isn't anything spectacular.

I know this sounds like I'm bashing you, but it sounds like you are trying to change the car instead of improving your driving/launching technique. The gas pedal is not a toggle switch :secret:

Sorry, didnt quite give an accurate depiction on that. I had the 18x315x30Nitto NT-01 on the back and the stock 10 bolt with 373 gears. Even trying to slip the clutch my best was 2.2.. Horrendous I know. Car is stiff for road racing and doesnt really weight transfer. Me dumping the clutch doesnt help either but I'm not going to slip it. I'll either hook and go or go as soon as I hook...:jest: to be perfectly honest track times arent what the car was built for but it still needs to be respectable.

I've got some 16" MT's and some salad shooter rims now for the track so we'll see when next season rolls around what it will do. If I can leave at 2500-3000 rpms and hook I'll be ok. Once it gets up top its stay there pretty good. It doesnt seem to be slower to that point but only track times will tell the truth

We're all done up here in Oregon.

hey how are you hooking up? all i do is haze the 275nittos in 1-2nd gear.. and if i use the bottle... 4th gear
i WANT a new rear end, but im broke right now :(

heavy rear, 18x10 heavy aftermarket rims, nitto 315's, 4050 lbs with half tank of gas. It's still a little challenged but I just drive through it now and dont worry about breaking anything.

yeah.. after making my motor all crazy and bad ass i came to realize.. HEY i havent really done much to the suspension, how the HELL am i guna hook? this means i have to dump MORE money into this moneypit.. funny how this addiction works huh? i cant imagine what more im guna need to do. my car weighs in at 3400#s too :(

Glad to see you got exactly what you wanted, don't waste your time arguing with the retards on here who obviously don't know what they are talking about. Your car is mamofied :D

Man dont listen to these fucktards in this thread, 375 RWTQ @ 3500 through a 9" on a Mustang dyno is no slouch on the low end, anyone to say otherwise is the true idiot. I bet that car runs awesome.

Fuck the haters, the apparantly forgot they arent running through a 9" on a stingy mustang dyno either.


X2!!!! :nod:

ok im glad u r making what u want and where u want it so dont take this as a bash but if u plan to argue your point then keep your commentsin line with each other. in one reply u say its a street car and u live in the upper rpms. cant get traction on the street so u move the powerband up. then 3 replys later u say its not a street car and if it was u would have done a 228 cam.

Its my version of a street car that I drive once a week so I dont really consider it a true street car. Is that better? Didnt know I needed to meet anyones criteria. My car started off as a daily 7 days a week street car. Its now a one day a week street car. Its not a drag queen. Its not built for 1/4 miles times. Cant make it any more simpler than that.

Its my version of a street car that I drive once a week so I dont really consider it a true street car. Is that better? Didnt know I needed to meet anyones criteria. My car started off as a daily 7 days a week street car. Its now a one day a week street car. Its not a drag queen. Its not built for 1/4 miles times. Cant make it any more simpler than that.


You didnt know that you NEED to meet the approval of everyone on the internet? :gtfo:

Dont forget that people on the net always know more about how your particular setup runs than you do regardless of the fact that you drive the car and they dont.

LMAO, ya I forgot that!! I posted the info so people could see what a big cam does as compared to a smaller cam. It's an info only post not a defened how you drive post.

Most of the time we dont see accurate info on here just a peak number or a sponsor's private dyno numbers, or that they are secretly using an engine dyno and not a chassis dyno or a better number producing flow bench. I posted up the truth.

My next combo will be a solid roller 40x. I'll pick up some torque from the added cubes and then really push the RPMS.

I see things differently in a street/muscle car than most. I have a Kia for normal street driving.

LMAO, ya I forgot that!! I posted the info so people could see what a big cam does as compared to a smaller cam. It's an info only post not a defened how you drive post .

Something I already documented closely in this post:

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7557181&postcount=12

In those time you were against your actual reasoning...and against my posts but I am used to...

Most of the time we dont see accurate info on here just a peak number or a sponsor's private dyno numbers, or that they are secretly using an engine dyno and not a chassis dyno or a better number producing flow bench. I posted up the truth.

Accuracy in the post report is something that will make a forum efficient and reliable, all my posts are about it, two samples here:

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7558091&postcount=19

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7559647&postcount=29

Those post were written for you arguing against the facts I was providing...

BTW that was in a thread where you were contradictory in your argumentation and very confuse in the essence of your demonstration...

Certainly the reflect of a high IQ, great culture and life experience enough to identify and consolidate a firm personality.
Compliments for those huge achievements!!!!!

I see things differently in a street/muscle car than most. I have a Kia for normal street driving.

Then my combo is not a street/muscle car I guess, mine is just amazingly powerful and civilized enough to get to the grocery store, and as said before...my wife is driving it in town as well.
Christian

Way too much chest thumping in here.