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Whats up guys?

After a long day at work and several beer's later I am in the mood to lay out some idea's and want some opinions.

I am planning a new build. I traded the shop car for a 72 Slit bumper Camaro, which is getting a 410ci BBC so I can get it running an sell it.

I want another LS1 car. I miss mine. You guys know me. It's Turbo or nothing at all. My business partner is yelling about a LSX based twin turbo terror. I was thinking of a 800rwhp street car.

What do you guys want to see here on the board? I am a street racer at heart. I have been out of the game alot of years. Common sense take its toll.

This thread may get shut down. I dont know. I am open to idea's on this build. I dont have budget yet. I dont care how long it takes to build.

I just want some opinions...

Let me go to bed! I will post my opinion tomorrow :D

Add another 800hp to that number with staggered fuel injection then we are talking.

Iron is old school. Use a Warhawk, Dart or maybe the ERL blocks the Ohio Boys use.

Build a car that can do it all. By "all" I mean the following:
1. 9.99 or faster.
2. 25 mpg or better.
3. Out run just about anything on an ATX.
4. 0-60 like no other
5. 60-0 like no other.
6. Long Hauler on HotRod Powertour!!!!!

Keep it full interior, creature comforts and all!

I'm waiting......

I say a decent cubed motor 402+.. then a reliable single or twin system, whichever you can make more reliable. And push it with as far as you can go on pump and meth, run on 17" or bigger wheels (DR's out back), 4l80-e trans, dual or 3 intank pumps for street manners, keep a roll cage out of it, roll bar at most, try to keep the AC and as many factory features as you can.

Here's your car. Everything is there just needs the motor and fuel system upgrade......

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8044145&highlight=#post8044145

Think motorcycle. As in that fast, but think diesel as in reliable haha. And somewhere in the realm of space shuttle horsepower/thrust. Yes...thrust. I want to see an lsx car with some thrust.

yeah - get that car and TEAR IT UP! Hell no !!! Here's your car -
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8033286&highlight=#post8033286

i'll buy it if you mod it and give it back when your ready to move on to something else!

Think motorcycle. As in that fast, but think diesel as in reliable haha. And somewhere in the realm of space shuttle horsepower/thrust. Yes...thrust. I want to see an lsx car with some thrust.
Here's some thrust!!! Had to ...sorry!

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k211/firebird6786/deeznutz011.jpg

Build a car that can do it all. By "all" I mean the following:
1. 9.99 or faster.
2. 25 mpg or better.
3. Out run just about anything on an ATX.
4. 0-60 like no other
5. 60-0 like no other.
6. Long Hauler on HotRod Powertour!!!!!

Keep it full interior, creature comforts and all!

I'm waiting......



Hey.... we're already building that car out of a GTO!!! Josh should build a TT Pontiac Solstice with all his slick turbo tricks, that would be hot!

Ed

Everyone thinks a little different but I think a car that can do both,streetable and very fast,is the best.Thats the beauty of a turbo car to me,it can do both very well.I know it means some comprimise when building the car but nothing does this comprimise as well as a turbo car,especialy a ls car.Build a big power car that can be driven on the street,I think this is what most people really want anyway.Everyone loves race cars but most want fast street cars.As far as twins or single and cubes,as we all know all of these can work very well.As long as its turboed and makes big power and is ls,we'll love it!

If you want something to prove, build something that will beat a Bugatti Veyron in accel./decel., braking, street manners, and handling. I have seen some Supra's that rival this, but no V8 cars yet that have been built by privateers. Best company so far to achieve it is probably Saleen with the S7 TT.

Take a front wheel drive v-8, cut the car in half behind the seats and put a single wheel in the rear and turbo the hell out of it and see if you can make the worldest fastest 3-wheeler!

Take a front wheel drive v-8, cut the car in half behind the seats and put a single wheel in the rear and turbo the hell out of it and see if you can make the worldest fastest 3-wheeler!

finally a good idea...lol

definitely go with the mean street car, i like the idea of the Saleen S7TT-like f-body

wonder what a ol vdub would do with a turbo'd haybusa motor in it?

I want to see a GTM with FI :devil:

http://www.factoryfive.com/gtmhome.html

that GTM is sick, with a 427 and FI that car would rip!

Can you even imagine... 427 LSX GTM with 20psi :drool: you'd have the baddest car on the planet! Only problem I forsee is finding a tranny that can hold up :eek:

The problem with the GTM is a the price and all the labor to build that car. Mega bucks. The cheapest route would be a FD RX7. Its light, handles awesome, great looks, and we know LSX engines will bolt right in. That is the potential Bugatti killer there....

I say build the fastest or mabye one of the fastest f bodys that still has all the comforts,air cond.,pr.steering, overdrive trans.,every thing a good street car has and make it totally streetable,no running hot,no burned wires,no boiling fluids and EVERYBODY will be listining.I think a turbo setup like this at a competitive price would sell a ton!I know this is a tall order but you like a challenge anyway!Surely this can be done.

Here are the specs I would be after.....Veyron performance:

Acceleration to mph
0-30 1.2 sec
0-40 1.7
0-50 2.2
0-60 2.7
0-70 3.4
0-80 4.0
0-90 4.8
0-100 5.7
Passing 45-65 MPH 1.1 sec
Quarter Mile 10.4 sec @ 139.9 mph
Top Speed 253 mph
Braking, 100-0 MPH 293 ft60-0 MPH 104 ft
Lateral Acceleration 0.99 g avg

That's a stock Veyron....lol. With tuning and the wastegates altered a little, I don't see why that car wouldn't be a 145-150mph car in the 1/4. All while weighing 4500 lbs.

If the motor is LSx and it's not in a F-body - then I say go with something a little different than the RX7. Make it something thats not common. It doesnt have to be a FWD to RWD deal, or anything like that, just don't follow the norm if you leave the norm, your still not being different by doing a RX7.
I think stickin with a Camaro or T/A would be a great idea, a Vette would be the next choice, and after that........be creative. 70s VW BUG????

How about that new lotus elise body style and swap a TT lsx in there? i think its like 1900 lbs from the factory, they look great, and it would be something completely different.

They are cool cars to begin with but not too fast.

Or what about doing an lsx TT setup in a vette and convert it to AWD?

The problem with the GTM is a the price and all the labor to build that car. Mega bucks....

.....

...I am open to idea's on this build. I dont have budget yet. I dont care how long it takes to build.

I just want some opinions...

LSX with twin 88s :D

I got it - built a LSX Twin Turbo version of the Trex trike!

Or a LSX TT Motorcycle! I mean, how much lighter can it get?

just a crazy thought...how bout a TT LT5 in a f-body? idk somethin out of the ordinary

What can you do really, Speed inc has a car they drove around at drag week and ran 8.60s. Onfire has a fully loaded firehawk running 9.20s at Bristol. Mightymouse drove his car 1000 miles, ran 9s, won a car show and drove it home. Ohio boys have a pair of turbo cars in the 7s, one also made the true street cruise at the LSx shootout.

Its getting pretty hard to top all that ;)

build one with wings - actually lift the car off the ground

build one with wings - actually lift the car off the ground

you sir are rediculous

LSX engine with twins, or a big single on alcohol.

you sir are rediculous

I'm talking about having a machine fly, which is possible, and you have a man in your sig who flys on his own with no help at all? Cmon - YOU ARE Ridiculous

Josh, if you want to keep it in an f-body and turbo why not work on a new market in your f-body.

Turbo Ecotec in the f-body, the new turbo cobalts will be out 2nd qtr of 08 people will need manifolds, cams, bolton type stuff. Fabricate intake and exhaust manifolds that can be used in the cobalt on your f-body. Tim is in the 8's now with a twin turbo 3.8 V6. Thats really the only thing that hasn't been tried yet and is achievable without bankrupting yourself.

i say save your money up and be the first to mod out a 'new' camaro

go with a 4.3l vortec twin turbo!
Why would someone WANT to put a v6 in a F-body? now THAT is Ridiculous
!!!!!!!!

i say save your money up and be the first to mod out a 'new' camaro

i like this idea - save your money - get your ducks in a row, and the second a new one hits the floor be the first guy with a turbo on one, or the first guy in the 9s or something - then you can sell it in kits or something to other people once they see you in Camaro Performers or SUper Chevy or something, that would be the ideal approach if you want to really REALLy help out your business also

haha, man uhave quit the imagination......

i say lsx fbody street monster. tub and narrow the rear for some 345 dr's with a huge dished wheel

Honestly, I'd love to see a big single or TT on a 427ci setup... something that will run with the big boy vipers 1400-1700rwhp.

In reality, if I were in your shoes, I would think of a project car that would help grow future business for you. I love the idea of the 5th gen camaro. Be the first to turbo it, first to break in the 11's, 10's, 9's and make a nice kit. The magazines will eat you up (publicity) and you will have a new market.

Honestly, I'd love to see a big single or TT on a 427ci setup... something that will run with the big boy vipers 1400-1700rwhp.

In reality, if I were in your shoes, I would think of a project car that would help grow future business for you. I love the idea of the 5th gen camaro. Be the first to turbo it, first to break in the 11's, 10's, 9's and make a nice kit. The magazines will eat you up (publicity) and you will have a new market.

I would assume one of the larger shops will have a new camaro turbo'd and in the tens before you can even buy one from a local dealer.

IMO if I was selling turbo kits I would worry about building simple and reliable bolt on kits that make decent power and are 100% complete and upgradeable. Unless you move your shop focus to one-off custom stuff building a world beater turbo F-body isnt going to do much but drain your reserve cash.

heres one of my dreams, i really want our shop to do it but u can if you want

BIG ASS BODIED old rolls royce or bentley with a crazy powerful LSx motor, full interior and sound sytem a/c the whole deal. so it can carry 5 people and still run a high ten

I would assume one of the larger shops will have a new camaro turbo'd and in the tens before you can even buy one from a local dealer.

IMO if I was selling turbo kits I would worry about building simple and reliable bolt on kits that make decent power and are 100% complete and upgradeable. Unless you move your shop focus to one-off custom stuff building a world beater turbo F-body isnt going to do much but drain your reserve cash.

This is why building for the new gen camaro would be best. The 4th gen LSX market is flooded with turbo companies. Moving on to a new market like the 5th gen (whether he is the first or not) will be better for him. Less competition = more profit.

I think what he's wanting to do is to make a completely bad ass street car. He doesn't want slicks and skinnies and isn't worried about going to the track and busting off a 7 or 8 second pass. I really look at MightyMouse's car and Mike's 02 CETA. Both of those cars were completely badass. 4L80E will probably be in the car just as both of those guys have.
We were talking last night about a LSX block, somewhere in the 440 cubic inch range with all billet internals somewhere around 8.5:1 compression. Like you said, keeping creature comforts will be a goal so he will probably go with tube headers instead of the manifolds. Twin 88's with some bling under the hood. Just a simple 6 point with swingouts for comfortability. Keep the interior stock with 5 point harnasses through the seats. Going on the PowerTour and other cruises and car shows is also another marketplace for business. We're just kicking around ideas now.

This is why building for the new gen camaro would be best. The 4th gen LSX market is flooded with turbo companies. Moving on to a new market like the 5th gen (whether he is the first or not) will be better for him. Less competition = more profit.

I agree there, but you will have a couple year lag before people start cutting up their brand new, in warranty 35K+ cars so there is plenty of time to hop on that bandwagon. For now a solid 4th gen or even mustang product is needed to keep the doors open until the 5th gen rolls out and there is no guarantee the 5th gen wont be a complete turd sales-wise.

I think what he's wanting to do is to make a completely bad ass street car. He doesn't want slicks and skinnies and isn't worried about going to the track and busting off a 7 or 8 second pass. I really look at MightyMouse's car and Mike's 02 CETA. Both of those cars were completely badass. 4L80E will probably be in the car just as both of those guys have.
We were talking last night about a LSX block, somewhere in the 440 cubic inch range with all billet internals somewhere around 8.5:1 compression. Like you said, keeping creature comforts will be a goal so he will probably go with tube headers instead of the manifolds. Twin 88's with some bling under the hood. Just a simple 6 point with swingouts for comfortability. Keep the interior stock with 5 point harnasses through the seats. Going on the PowerTour and other cruises and car shows is also another marketplace for business. We're just kicking around ideas now.

Twin 88's are aweful big for what he wants (street car not looking to do big things on the track). If he wanted to shoot for the big dog vipers, then twin 88's would be good. I dont think he needs anything bigger then twin 70's... maybe 76's to get better efficiency.

I agree there, but you will have a couple year lag before people start cutting up their brand new, in warranty 35K+ cars so there is plenty of time to hop on that bandwagon. For now a solid 4th gen or even mustang product is needed to keep the doors open until the 5th gen rolls out and there is no guarantee the 5th gen wont be a complete turd sales-wise.

I agree. I am under the assumption that they have a cast manifold setup already for LSX 4th gens (have seen threads mentioning it). You think they need another kit?

I agree. I am under the assumption that they have a cast manifold setup already for LSX 4th gens (have seen threads mentioning it). You think they need another kit?

Lot of guys dont want to lose the AC with a truck manifold kits IMO, even though as far as flow and reliability its hard to beat the cast manifolds. If I was to do a turbo thats most likely what I would do since I can care less about AC.

Its a tough business building turbo kits is ;)

TT'ed 500ci LSX in the new Camaro.

Not a big fan of it, but that would make a statement.

Its a tough business building turbo kits is ;)

:D yup...

Maybe get one of those crazy massage chairs you see at the mall, install that bad boy with a 5 point harness!!!

There still arent that many players that build a ready to go kit that makes big power and keeps the air .Most of the few that do have problems getting them to you and problems with customer relations.I think a well sorted kit that keeps the air and makes good power and has no issues would sell very well.I know a lot of people dont care about air but most street car owners would like to keep it.

There still arent that many players that build a ready to go kit that makes big power and keeps the air .Most of the few that do have problems getting them to you and problems with customer relations.I think a well sorted kit that keeps the air and makes good power and has no issues would sell very well.I know a lot of people dont care about air but most street car owners would like to keep it.

There is only one front mount company that has fast turnaround time... TTi. Everyone else is a small shop trying to keep up.

build a budget truck manifold single setup. something that everyone would have a chance too afford. build so it could be sold later on and all the customer would need to do is supply the truck manifolds, turbo and gates/bov's.
thats a street car that all "Joe's" can get into!

i say be realistic to a large market. but build it showing what its capable of.

shops almost always build ricockulously powerful and expensive cars that make people say ahhhhh, then OHHHH $H1T when they see the pricing ...go a different route and corner the market.

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shops almost always build ricockulously powerful and expensive cars that make people say ahhhhh, then OHHHH $H1T when they see the pricing ...go a different route and corner the market.

That right there sums it up.

I am not out to prove anything, except a point. We all want a 1000rwhp car that idles nice, get's 28mpg, has A/C, runs 8's, traps 200+, does it all on street tires, and then sits in traffic and stays cool. We want it for under $15k too.

I am kicking idea's around right now. I dont have an unlimited budget. I have a healthy budget in mind. Just not unlimited. A 5th Gen would be nice. I wont lie. I cant compete with the bigger shops in that market. I still have a full time job on top of the turbo shop.

What I am leaning towards now is a bullet proof, dead reliable, completely streetable Turbo car. One that is fun, relaistic, and easy to manage. I never figured this thread would go this far. It cool to see what you guys are thinking. Alot of you make great points.

Another LS1 car is in the works. That is a definate. I have alot of ideas to hash out. I have alot of things going in the shop. This car will be used to promote the shop. Keep the ideas comming.

The F.I. forum needs a thread like this every once in a while.

I say build the fastest or mabye one of the fastest f bodys that still has all the comforts,air cond.,pr.steering, overdrive trans.,every thing a good street car has and make it totally streetable,no running hot,no burned wires,no boiling fluids and EVERYBODY will be listining.I think a turbo setup like this at a competitive price would sell a ton!I know this is a tall order but you like a challenge anyway!Surely this can be done.

You know it can be done. I am up to the challenge. We already have a car (TA) for that.:secret2::devil:

I had a couple ideas. You could start building hot parts for single turbo SBC G bodies(78-88) as well as F bodies (67-69) and (82-92).

With the amount of LS1 swapped 1st gen F bodies out there, I would think there would be a market for either hot parts or a complete kit. They'd also fit 68-74 Novas. I'd buy a set of hot parts for my LS1 Nova project.

You know it can be done. I am up to the challenge. We already have a car (TA) for that.:secret2::devil:

Yes,my car should be a pretty good prototype for a big power street car for you.:D

Why not a Colorado/Canyon truck? They will have a 5.3 next spring. Build a twin turbo with a 403" LS3/L92 (Stock 4.065 bore and a 3.9" crank) that will keep A/C, throw in a 4L80 with 4X4. Make it look stock on the exterior. That would corner a market for you also.

LS motor in one of these:

http://www.go-t-rex.com/web/cote.jpg http://www.go-t-rex.com/web/derriere.jpg

http://www.go-t-rex.com/web/roue.jpg http://www.go-t-rex.com/web/volant.jpg

http://www.go-t-rex.com/

build a street car with 800 rwhp with the most inexpensive parts you can use that will work. build a budget minded set-up people will want to come to you for so you can build one for them as well. thats a shop car imo.
Unless you wanted to do a showcase car then thats different and more money

As of right now the requirments for the car are as follows:

-fully streetable
-retain A/C
-retian creature comforts
-high HP
-OD trans


I am looking to use the car to market a turbo setup that makes good power while keeping the above on the factory engine . Then I plan to take the same turbo setup and use it on a LSX based engine and push it to its max. I am looking to use this car as a rolling buiness card so to speak.

Would a mid '70's Pinto body on an old Jeep chassis with two 9" diffs being fed by a twin s88 FI'd 454 LSX on methanol with a small (large) nitrous shot off the line make a good sleeper setup? I suppose it could embarass Lambo owners occasionally.

Would a mid '70's Pinto body on an old Jeep chassis with two 9" diffs being fed by a twin s88 FI'd 454 LSX on methanol with a small (large) nitrous shot off the line make a good sleeper setup? I suppose it could embarass Lambo owners occasionally.

That would be different.

Guys it is going to be a 4th Gen F-Body.

-fully streetable
-retain A/C
-retian creature comforts
-high HP
-OD trans

I have some things working. If none of them pan out I will start witha nice solid Stockish 99+ F-Body and build a nice simple Turbo setup that keep the A/C and is easily reproduced. I will push the stock driveline to its limits just to prove what it can take. When it pops I will start building a LSX based 44Xci engine to take its place. I will make the turbo setup so That is can be upgraded easily and one agin push it to the limits. All while retianing the above requirments.

I am in no hurry. Its why I am still around and hangin with the big dogs. I refuse to kill the shop building a monstrosity of a race car to go broke with.

For me its about providing a solution to get your cars Turbo'ed with out breaking the bank. I enjoy building the setups. If it makes me a living, great. If not, Cool. I still have a good payin full time job.

If you want something to prove, build something that will beat a Bugatti Veyron in accel./decel., braking, street manners, and handling. I have seen some Supra's that rival this, but no V8 cars yet that have been built by privateers. Best company so far to achieve it is probably Saleen with the S7 TT.factory five racing lsx based super car will kill the bugatti and s7.....