View Full Version : Who's gonna jump ship?


Ls4GXP
11-08-2007, 11:45 PM
I thought it would be fun to ask this and just BS about it for a while.

As we all know GM has added more fun cars to our table to play. theres the new Pontiac G8/ImpSS/Camaro/new restyled GTO if any of you are trading or selling your guyses LS4s and jumping in to one of these which one would it be and why? Maybe I'm gonna miss you guys here..lol. I'm all hyped up to see the new GTOs, keeping my fingers crossed for the convertable.

scarlett
11-09-2007, 12:28 AM
If I sell my car it's for the new Camero. Hopefully the CDN dollar is still kicking ass and I will buy the car down south.

Sint3k
11-09-2007, 03:34 AM
Well if i would go GM again it would be the camaro. But i'm going for the challenger because there will not be any lower models on the road. Only sold in performance packages and something diffrent then GM. I'm disappointed in GM plastering SS on crappy cars.

20SS07
11-09-2007, 07:24 AM
Out of the ones you listed only the G8 and Camaro are a sure thing. Out of those I'd take the G8 because I don't want a 2 door car. However I doubt I'd get another gas hog after the Imp SS. Kinda getting old eatin up $3.25 premium gas at 12.4mpg haha.

alex94z
11-09-2007, 08:09 AM
Out of the ones you listed only The G8 and Camaro are a sure thing. Out of those I'd take the G8 because I don't want a 2 door car. However I doubt I'd get another gas hog after the Imp SS. Kinda getting old eatin up $3.25 premium gas at 12.4mpg haha.


12.4 mpg?!? daaaaamn! Thankfully my GXP gets 18 mpg mixed driving.

I'll probably jump ship in 2009 for the G8 GXP. Hopefully it will have the LS3 in it. I need a roomy car for the wife and kids but I'm not ready to give up my fun cars. :devil:

bigboy3l
11-09-2007, 08:34 AM
I'd trade it in only if a newer Monte Ever shows up. Other than that I am looking for a 4th gen monte to Build from the ground up with either 350 or 454.
If I never get to doing that my car will be paid off in 3 years so I'll keep as a DD and buy a hot new toy.

20SS07
11-09-2007, 08:49 AM
That 12.4 is 100% around town driving. Unfortunately the only time I really do highway driving is during the summer and do virtually none the other 8 months of the year.

Ls4GXP
11-09-2007, 09:19 AM
Well if i would go GM again it would be the camaro. But i'm going for the challenger because there will not be any lower models on the road. Only sold in performance packages and something diffrent then GM. I'm disappointed in GM plastering SS on crappy cars.

That is exactly why I'm going with the GTO, there will be no such thing as a v6 GTO any GTO you see on the street you know will be packing a nice healthy v8.:nod:

Ls4GXP
11-09-2007, 09:33 AM
I'd trade it in only if a newer Monte Ever shows up. Other than that I am looking for a 4th gen monte to Build from the ground up with either 350 or 454.
If I never get to doing that my car will be paid off in 3 years so I'll keep as a DD and buy a hot new toy.

Smart move with your car, I got 0% interest and it would dumb to trade it in its getting paid off and I'm getting the GTO..........then my wife and I can settle with our issues and drag race on the local track 5mi down the road.lol.

Super28Sport
11-09-2007, 09:36 AM
Camaro SS of course :D

Ls4GXP
11-09-2007, 09:41 AM
12.4 mpg?!? daaaaamn! Thankfully my GXP gets 18 mpg mixed driving.

I'll probably jump ship in 2009 for the G8 GXP. Hopefully it will have the LS3 in it. I need a roomy car for the wife and kids but I'm not ready to give up my fun cars. :devil:

Only if you have a deep pocket you know those would set you back about 45k but there gonna be impressive.

Ls4GXP
11-09-2007, 09:47 AM
Camaro SS of course :D

I heard somewhere that there going to have the DOD technology and the GTO will not..........I'd go for the GTO less wear and tear on the motor.......just my 2cent.

bigboy3l
11-09-2007, 09:53 AM
20SS07
Man 12.4 All city thats bad. I tested my city which is all back roads with a lot of hills and a lot of traffic lights. I got 15 for week with no hway. Mixed I get 17.5 - 18.5 depending on how I drive ;)
By the way I am not too far from you. I am in the Upper Darby/Havertown area in PA.

hexxLS4
11-09-2007, 10:15 AM
I'm considering a G8 once they come out in stick...but I'm really waiting for a UTE...I hope it comes out. If I stay with the monte, it'll go turbo! ;)

20SS07
11-09-2007, 10:22 AM
20SS07
Man 12.4 All city thats bad. I tested my city which is all back roads with a lot of hills and a lot of traffic lights. I got 15 for week with no hway. Mixed I get 17.5 - 18.5 depending on how I drive ;)
By the way I am not too far from you. I am in the Upper Darby/Havertown area in PA.

Yea not too far at all. My city driving is basically around town driving with a traffic light or stop sign every other block haha. So it's alllll stop and go which sucks. Doesn't help matters that I like hearing the engine :burn: During the summer on weekends I do about 70% highway 30% highway and then I end up around 22 with that mix. When I first got the car for the first 2 months I was using only 89 octane. After that I switched to 93 and switched to synthetic oil and it seems to have gone steadily down since then which is weird. Probably just coincidental though.

IMPALA SS 07
11-09-2007, 10:59 AM
new camaro

eddiemoney
11-09-2007, 03:59 PM
If I sell my car it's for the new Camero. Hopefully the CDN dollar is still kicking ass and I will buy the car down south.

Camero. . .that must be the canadian version. . eh ;)

06 SS
11-09-2007, 05:09 PM
nah, keepin' the little car for a couple hundred thousand miles. Got it because I have always had good luck with small block Chevy's and the front wheel drive works for me in the snow as a dd. My LT1 Caprice is a handful to drive in the fog, much less more solid precipitation. Have always (until recently) had a toy car, Will go LS2 GTO (depending on deal) or C6 ragtop (which is the one I really want.) next Summer or Summer after that.

jabronie78
11-09-2007, 07:01 PM
I'd get a G8 if I could get a good trade in price on the Monte, but I doubt it.

I saw a Lumina SS maybe about a month ago came up from behind me and looked like a Cobalt from the front and a GTO from the back, didn't seem too fast though. It had a manufacture plate on it. Wonder if GM will ever bring it to the states.

jeg1
11-09-2007, 08:07 PM
I'am seriously thinking about the new Malibu. I have owned a 68 goat,Trans Am's-3,Formula 400 Firebird, IROC's-3, Z24, Z26, Z34, Monte SS. I'am 54 so maybe it's time to grow up and buy a 4door, besides I really like the look,6 speed trans with paddle shifters, and the 3.6 VVT V6 will do.

scarlett
11-09-2007, 08:36 PM
I'am 54 so maybe it's time to grow up and buy a 4door

Your never to old! I will have a have a fast car and get speeing tickets until I cannot drive know more. :engarde:

Sint3k
11-10-2007, 04:00 AM
I hope i don't give up like you have at 54 *shakes head* hehe jk

LSX Performance
11-10-2007, 04:33 PM
I'll be jumping ship asap. For a G8 GXP or a new Camaro. I miss my old 06 GTO and my 07 300 SRT-8. FWD just stinks for performance.

Kazmaniac
11-11-2007, 10:05 AM
nah, keepin' the little car for a couple hundred thousand miles. Got it because I have always had good luck with small block Chevy's and the front wheel drive works for me in the snow as a dd.

Same here, so far after 40K there's been no "real" issues with my car.

0% financing, fast enough, it's a great car for a DD.

SILVER LS4
11-12-2007, 01:26 PM
I'd get an awd Trailblazer SS, $27,400 (no leather though) and with just a vector tune and my $80.00 intake will run mid 13's, pulls a big boat, plenty of room for the kids, and I only lost about 1 mpg in the city vs my 06 Impala SS (hwy is a diff story though). AND alot more potential to go faster, and better in the winter than the fwd. Sorry just had to add this.

20SS07
11-12-2007, 02:40 PM
AWD for $27,400? I would have gotten one for that cheap, but there aren't any around here that cheap. Obviously you're not gonna pay MSRP, but MSRP on the RWD TBSS only starts at $31k and the AWD at $34k. I would have gotten one over the Imp if I could have gotten an AWD at 7 grand under MSRP.

SILVER LS4
11-12-2007, 02:49 PM
AWD for $27,400? I would have gotten one for that cheap, but there aren't any around here that cheap. Obviously you're not gonna pay MSRP, but MSRP on the RWD TBSS only starts at $31k and the AWD at $34k. I would have gotten one over the Imp if I could have gotten an AWD at 7 grand under MSRP.

GMS and $5,000 rebate at the time. There is still a $4,000 rebate.

20SS07
11-12-2007, 07:42 PM
GMS and $5,000 rebate at the time. There is still a $4,000 rebate.

Damn, there were crap deals back in April when I got the SS. Although I'd be complaining even more about gas mileage I would have totally looked into getting one had they had those kind of rebates then.

07gxpgray
11-13-2007, 08:14 AM
in 3 or 4 years I will be looking at the G8. I have kids so 4 doors is a must!!!

Kamauxx
11-13-2007, 11:43 AM
Well if i would go GM again it would be the camaro. But i'm going for the challenger because there will not be any lower models on the road. Only sold in performance packages and something diffrent then GM. I'm disappointed in GM plastering SS on crappy cars.


That's a 4200lb pig too. The 6.1l hemi means nothing when the car weighs as much as a small truck!

And there WILL be a 3.5l version of the Challenger. Sorry.

bigboy3l
11-13-2007, 01:15 PM
The Challenger will be 4200lb? A two door car? What the hell does it got Bullet proof doors and glass???

eddiemoney
11-13-2007, 07:44 PM
I'd get an awd Trailblazer SS, $27,400 (no leather though) and with just a vector tune and my $80.00 intake will run mid 13's, pulls a big boat, plenty of room for the kids, and I only lost about 1 mpg in the city vs my 06 Impala SS (hwy is a diff story though). AND alot more potential to go faster, and better in the winter than the fwd. Sorry just had to add this.


Are you getting the advertised 12/16 mileage ??

SILVER LS4
11-13-2007, 11:12 PM
Are you getting the advertised 12/16 mileage ??
Never got lower than 14, never higher than 16. I do 95% of my driving in 35 mph stop and go single file traffic to work which is about 5 miles away and takes about 11 minutes. The Impala got about 17 mpg. I have driven the tbss on a few 70 mile back road, stop signed, through small town trips, but the mileage just doesn't seem to change much city or hwy. The 07 tbss rating is 14/17, is the 08 rating 12/16 for the tbss? I haven't looked. The 4.10 gears in the tbss really kills the hwy mileage, but on long trips we'll take the wifes car, which may soon be a new Malibu with a 4 banger. After sitting in the new Malibu, there seems to be more rear leg room than the Imp. It will be interesting to see how the Malibu vs Impala sales work out over the next couple of years.

eddiemoney
11-14-2007, 07:50 AM
Never got lower than 14, never higher than 16. I do 95% of my driving in 35 mph stop and go single file traffic to work which is about 5 miles away and takes about 11 minutes. The Impala got about 17 mpg. I have driven the tbss on a few 70 mile back road, stop signed, through small town trips, but the mileage just doesn't seem to change much city or hwy. The 07 tbss rating is 14/17, is the 08 rating 12/16 for the tbss? I haven't looked. The 4.10 gears in the tbss really kills the hwy mileage, but on long trips we'll take the wifes car, which may soon be a new Malibu with a 4 banger. After sitting in the new Malibu, there seems to be more rear leg room than the Imp. It will be interesting to see how the Malibu vs Impala sales work out over the next couple of years.

Yes 08 is rated at 12/16.

What is funny is my Impala SS gets the same mileage as the wifes Legacy GT. . . .roughly 18/24

20SS07
11-14-2007, 08:00 AM
Damn 12/16, I'd be complainin even more about gas mileage if I had a TBSS. With the Imp I get about 12.5/25. Highest consistent number I've seen while on flat road with cruise control at 75 was low 30's.

SILVER LS4
11-14-2007, 06:47 PM
Damn 12/16, I'd be complainin even more about gas mileage if I had a TBSS. With the Imp I get about 12.5/25. Highest consistent number I've seen while on flat road with cruise control at 75 was low 30's.

Wanna race????

figleaf
11-15-2007, 04:43 PM
Nah. I’ll stay put.

I purchased the SS to have a 4 door comfortable car with a big trunk and civilized features. Originally I was looking at a new 2008 Mercury Sable but the dealer wanted 1K more for the model I pieced together than the price of a fully loaded SS. So I got the SS thinking that I filled my requirements and saved $1000.

When I floored the pedal for the first time, I said to myself “Whoa, Beavis…:eek:” Talk about frosting on the cake. I had the best of all worlds, a civilized non-attention grabbing (though it’s black on black so there are some stares), low insurance premium, quiet 4 door sedan and its antithesis; a fire breathing, tire smoking, snarling predator with little respect for the laws of physics. I actually like the front drive with the copious torque steer. It is unique. Takes some getting used to just like my old (RIP) highly modified ’90 Mustang LX 5.0 notchback. Equally prone to anti-social street behavior bordering on downright dangerous when overly stimulated.

The SS will remain to perform its allotted duties of grocery getter, daily driver, Dutch Shepherd carrier and long road trip car. My other cars are my performance/guinea pigs as thy have many miles on them…but when one of them checks out, I will probably get a new LS3 Corvette, or whatever the LS designation of the time will be.

Long live the LS!

ChefChub
11-15-2007, 09:59 PM
That's a 4200lb pig too. The 6.1l hemi means nothing when the car weighs as much as a small truck!

And there WILL be a 3.5l version of the Challenger. Sorry.

I think the challenger is gonna be a little lighter than that. DC is shortening the challenger by 3 inches. so i am guessing a curb weight at 3800-4000 lbs. Seeing is the magnum is 4200 at 200 inches. so you are looking at a low 13 second car.
plus they are in talks about doing a 392 hemi. gonna be pretty sick.

Mels SS
11-16-2007, 05:31 AM
They are all on the charger chasie so they are small tanks.
I will stay with the SS!!

okie123
11-18-2007, 09:36 PM
Not jumping the GXP ship for a long time but the future GTO has my interest. Having an 06 GTO they are going to have to do better than the LS3 to make me excited to have one. Especially due to dod feature. 25-30 extra ponies is nothing that a guy couldnt make up in headers & a tune. I could see LS3 in std gto and maybe the LS7 in the JUDGE version. Now that would get me excited.

SSWS6
11-19-2007, 05:53 AM
Where does it say that a new GTO is confirmed for future production? Last I heard there were rumors of a new GTO but nothing more.

I plan on keeping the SS, but if a new RWD Impala comes along it may be too good to pass up. And the concept Impala I saw in Motortrend looks pretty sweet! The G8 is nice, but not really diggin the looks. Definetly would LOVE a Trailblazer SS, but can't justify having another vehicle and auto loan at this time.

20SS07
11-19-2007, 07:57 AM
There is no confirmed GTO. Not much has been said with the exception of them saying that IF they produce another car like that it will most likely use the GTO nameplate rather than using the Trans Am name.

hexxLS4
11-21-2007, 09:41 AM
Well good news (for me). There is more positive news of bringing in a G8 UTE! Woot. I'll be getting one of these if it happens!

http://jalopnik.com/cars/industry-news/there-is-a-god-automotive-news-reports-pontiac-to-get-g8-ute-wagon-324251.php

BuffaloSS
11-21-2007, 01:22 PM
I'm holding out for the new Impala...if and when it comes. If i had to choose something right now, it'd be the AWD TBSS as well. As soon as the Imp breaks warranty next year, i'll be cracking into the engine and modding this as much as possible, sin F/I...just cannot afford a $5000 turbo.

I'm in the same boat as 20SS07, though....only getting 12 or so in all City driving...one stop to the next. Unless you live, work and play in the city...such driving cannot be replicated. I know some THINK they're "City" drivers...but the 1/4-1/2mi to the next light in the suburbs does not count.

I'll be jumping ship asap. For a G8 GXP or a new Camaro. I miss my old 06 GTO and my 07 300 SRT-8. FWD just stinks for performance.

Hmmmm....missing a 2007 already? We're not even out of the calendar year yet!

fast
11-21-2007, 01:28 PM
wow, my h/c LT1 does better than 12.4 in town lmao

hexxLS4
11-21-2007, 02:34 PM
Buffalo is a special case....he gets extra special low city mpg. ;) Most of us are getting between 16-20

BuffaloSS
11-21-2007, 08:10 PM
Yeah, i'm a special boy! Again...i'm pretty certain that MY definition of "City" is closer to the real thing than anyone elses...much like 20SS07's. Drive 500', stop sign. 500' more, stop sign. 500', red light...and so on...all day. If i get on the highway, it's 80mph @ 15mpg for at most 5mi.

eddiemoney
11-21-2007, 09:26 PM
It is amazing how much the commute matters. I moved from one place to another with a similar 4-5 mile commute to work. The results of my mileage change are below.

Old Commute:
Travel Speed: 25 mph for about 3 miles 35 mph for about 2 miles with a handful of stop signs and lights
Mileage: 13(winter) and 15(summer)

New Commute:
Travel Speed: 25mph 1.5 miles, 35 mph for 1 mile, 45 mph for 2.5 miles. Similar number of stop signs and lights.
Mileage: 16(winter) and 18.5(summer)

Amazing indeed. . .Buff I think you should invest in a Vespa

Ls4GXP
11-21-2007, 09:33 PM
Where does it say that a new GTO is confirmed for future production? Last I heard there were rumors of a new GTO but nothing more.

I plan on keeping the SS, but if a new RWD Impala comes along it may be too good to pass up. And the concept Impala I saw in Motortrend looks pretty sweet! The G8 is nice, but not really diggin the looks. Definetly would LOVE a Trailblazer SS, but can't justify having another vehicle and auto loan at this time.

I believe that GM grew a brain this time and is not spilling the beans about the new GTO wich could have negative affect on the upcoming Camaro where if you remember what happend to the Ls1GTO by the hyped up Ls2 that hurt their sales wich IMO was only 2.25% better..............this time GM bit its tongue down and holding onto it...........In time, its there, after the Camaro sales you'll see it.:eyes:

hexxLS4
11-21-2007, 10:56 PM
Yeah...you know the camaro aint the last muscle car gm is putting out before they have to stop altogether with the way oil is...they're def saving the best stuff for last....like a REAL monte carlo!! Hey...I can dream right? :)

nighthand
11-23-2007, 05:41 AM
For some reason, I just cannot get into the look of the new G8. I mean, I like some of things on it (RWD for example). And stock specs says same performance as the GXP.

I could never really get into the look of the GTO either.

deft
11-23-2007, 10:30 AM
Wanna race????

I think GXPJay might take you up on this :)


hexxLS4 -- not picking a fight, but what do you see in that wagon?

hexxLS4
11-23-2007, 12:46 PM
hexxLS4 -- not picking a fight, but what do you see in that wagon?

Picking a fight? Not at all! :) Well, it's the UTE I'm interested in...not the wagon. My first few cars were small pickup trucks...and I loved them. So this totally fits the bill for me. Truck like utility with car like handling...doesn't get much better than that for me. I don't mind it being a 2 seater...I'm used to riding alone and it wasn't any different in my trucks.

This is the UTE...not a wagon.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/2007eserieshsvmaloo.jpg

Here is an interior shot:
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2007/2007-Holden-VE-SS-V-Ute-Interior-1280x960.jpg

deft
11-23-2007, 12:48 PM
ahaha, that is definitely different :)

I bet you're an el camino fan eh?

hexxLS4
11-23-2007, 12:53 PM
When I was a kid...I was a monte carlo fan. As a child, I never owned a truck, so the el camino was nothing more than a weird looking car to me. Now that I'm older, I guess you can say I have a new found respect for it. I wish they were bringing this car back as an el camino...but it looks like if it does, it'll be a pontiac. Which is cool too...it'll def be a head turner.

jabronie78
11-23-2007, 05:29 PM
just get an SSR :)

eddiemoney
11-23-2007, 07:11 PM
http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/2007eserieshsvmaloo.jpg


I would definately sport this over an SSR. Never have been a big fan of the looks of the SSR.

hexxLS4
11-23-2007, 08:24 PM
Yeah the SSR is too cartoony for me.

Kazmaniac
11-24-2007, 09:54 AM
The El Camino SS from the late 80's was alright, heard it never really sold well here in the States. That Holden would sell a few thousand to the die-hard fans and no more, so there's a very good chance it will never come here unless the Pontiac tooling will adapt to that chassis. The wagon version might work, since this market is transitioning into crossovers. Dodge already has one, and in typical GM fashion, they may copy it several years from now.

I too am not a fan of the SSR ... way too heavy and slow, not to mention very pricey for what you get. GM should have made one in the $25 - 32K range.

hexxLS4
11-29-2007, 11:36 AM
Well, it's practically official. Sometime after the 2008 Pontiac G8 goes on sale next year, a truck-style utility will join the G8 family as kind of a throwback to the Chevy El Camino. Only Pontiac will get this version of the Australian-built Holden Commodore SS, so GMC is out of luck.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=123602?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..3 #6
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2007/holden.ve.utility/07.holden.ute.act.f34.1.500.jpg

hexxLS4
11-29-2007, 12:33 PM
UTE drifting video. Not a very good driver, but you can get an idea of how the car handles.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6575956997857371222&q=ute+holden+autocross&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

hexxLS4
01-23-2008, 04:59 PM
More UTE News....looks like GMC might be getting a 4 door model. eww...it's ugly. Just give me my 2 door G8 and we'll be good!

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/22/new-york-08-preview-gmc-to-show-four-door-holden-ute/

Count of Monte Carlo
01-24-2008, 08:57 PM
I'm holding out for the new Impala...if and when it comes. If i had to choose something right now, it'd be the AWD TBSS as well. As soon as the Imp breaks warranty next year, i'll be cracking into the engine and modding this as much as possible, sin F/I...just cannot afford a $5000 turbo.

I'm in the same boat as 20SS07, though....only getting 12 or so in all City driving...one stop to the next. Unless you live, work and play in the city...such driving cannot be replicated. I know some THINK they're "City" drivers...but the 1/4-1/2mi to the next light in the suburbs does not count.



Hmmmm....missing a 2007 already? We're not even out of the calendar year yet!

As a commercial driver I'd run up to Buffalo often. I know what its like to run down the Transit from Lockport Lakawanna to Cheektowaga Tonawanda!

Count of Monte Carlo
01-24-2008, 09:06 PM
I'm a fan of the earlier W bodies. They handled and drove excellent and I like the engines. For the time they did very well. In '97 when the platform got streched I kinda lost my love as the car started to handle bad and drive overly firm, even though they had extra power and the platform was super stiff. But now with these '06+'s they fixed alot of the platform's problems. Plus i've been waiting a LOOOG time for them to tos a V8 int the mix...I'm happy they finally did it. I'll keep this car as long as I can

BuffaloSS
01-25-2008, 02:50 PM
More UTE News....looks like GMC might be getting a 4 door model. eww...it's ugly. Just give me my 2 door G8 and we'll be good!

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/22/new-york-08-preview-gmc-to-show-four-door-holden-ute/

Actually, they just announced that the 2-door will debut in NYC shortly. One with a V8, and they added one with a V6 to balance it out for CAFE regs.

hexxLS4
01-25-2008, 09:21 PM
Yeah I just read the article about the G8 ST debuting in March. For those who are interested: http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/autoshows/nyas2008/gm/pontiac/g8stcoming.html

SILVER LS4
01-28-2008, 02:32 PM
How about an HHR SS?? 260hp TURBO motor (lots of potential), sporty styling (on an ugly vehicle). At about $25,000 minus $2500 in rebates, not bad. A place out of Chicago is tuning them and CLAIMING 30-40 hp at the wheels. With turbo boost being electronically limited, I can believe it. C'mon, you know you guys want one. I'd love to get one for the wife, that way I wouldn't have to drive it every day, but could still take it out and play around.

Kazmaniac
01-28-2008, 07:25 PM
Had one for a rental - it sucked. Seats sucked, interior was designed for 50+ year olds, lame shifter. Felt like I was in a minivan. Lotsa gray haired babes checking me out! All around lame car. I'd drive a Saturn well before it. It sucked. Copy the PT Cruiser long after it came out. Where's the Hotrod part of HHR??? Dang it sucked.

Just like the 4 door Cobalt - should never had an SS badge on it. Stupid GM!!!

SILVER LS4
01-28-2008, 08:11 PM
However, the hhr ss has a different dash and guages, different (awesome actually) seats, a red and black or grey and black two tone seat. Different console (window switches on door) also. Nice ground effects and front end with mesh grill. The hhr ss should be quicker than the s/c cobalt ss's, with more performance potential also. So why shouldn't the 3300lb 260 horse turbo car be an ss, just because it's front wheel drive? jk.

hexxLS4
01-28-2008, 08:31 PM
I like the HHR's, but....meh. I'll wait for the G8 ST.

Kazmaniac
01-29-2008, 12:41 AM
The hhr ss should be quicker than the s/c cobalt ss's, with more performance potential also. So why shouldn't the 3300lb 260 horse turbo car be an ss, just because it's front wheel drive? jk.


Devalueing the SS identity. They slap a SS badge on a minivan? I guess I'm a purist in that respect.

I'm a car guy. I don't notice HHR's on the road. I don't get wood looking at one in the dealer showroom, come to think of it - I don't think there was one in the showroom, and I don't know if there were any on the lot.

I can see the 2-door Cobalt SS S/C in bright yellow, notice them on the road. Cool car IMO. Subaru STi; Evo, etc are the "next gen" of hot rodding. Just like our Dads had big blocks, we have small blocks that beat their big blocks, now there are 4 bangers that could run my Z28SS.

To me it's about the passion, can't fall asleep because you're picking up your car tomorrow ... them walking into the dealer and seeing it for the first time:

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p39/Kazmaniac_Cars/08ZO62.jpg
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p39/Kazmaniac_Cars/08ZO63.jpg
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p39/Kazmaniac_Cars/08ZO6.jpg

(seeing the car of your dreams for the first time and you forget your real camera and have to settle for your cell phone ... )

SILVER LS4
01-29-2008, 06:47 AM
So, being a purist you know that the whole SS thing started as a trim option. In the mid/late '60's you could get an Impala SS with a 327 2 bbl, the big motors were optional, and you didn't have to get an SS just to get the big motors. You could get a plane jane Impala (maybe even a Biscayne) with a top of the line 425 hp 427. True GM has been slapping the SS on everything lately, but supposedly, only the deserving cars get it in 08.
Myself, I like sleepers, like my old lt1 Caprice Classic LS, loaded with leather. The fact that the hhr ss is an unlikely and a bit odd looking good running car makes me kinda like it. Should be able to suprise alot of people. With only a few mods, the hhr ss could run with the imports (maybe even your camaro). I don't like the idea of foreign cars being the new fast cars, so to me it's good to know Chevy has an import fighter of some sorts.

06 SS
01-29-2008, 08:19 AM
Actually, a fair amount of the SuperSports were straight 6's at first. It was a group of the popular handling and trim options at the time under one order code. Some considered it to be against the intent of the option when they started putting the heavy V8's in the nose and ruining the handling of the car.

20SS07
01-29-2008, 08:24 AM
The HHR SS will be just as fast as the S/C SS Cobalt was, the numbers are pretty much dead even. From what I hear there isn't a whole lot of extra power to be squeezed out of that turbo motor. And, besides, when you'll be able to get that motor in a Cobalt SS that will be half a second quicker I wouldn't even think twice about the HHR unless you need the room. Just like most people wouldn't have chose the turbo PT cruiser over the S R T 4. Personally I'd take a Mazdaspeed3 over an HHR SS or the New Caliber S R T 4. I don't like either of those personally. I agree that the SS is thrown on too many undeserving cars(4 door SS, Malibu SS) but as mentioned it did start as only a trim option. Me personally though, I'd prefer the SS to be thrown on cars with much improved performance, not a car with just a spoiler and different rims added.

Kazmaniac
01-29-2008, 09:17 AM
Hmmm - I'll give you guys the points on the 60's, because I wasn't around then.

I mainly remember the late 80's MCSS, GN and the IROC / Mustang battles. The 90's LT1, LT4, GT / Cobra and then the LSx explosion pushed performance to a new level. Enter the SS badge on the Impala SS and the Camaro, Chevrolet explained why they brought the SS badge back. I personally paid more than $3,000 for that badge, as that only the suspension was really upgraded, and the rest was "cosmetics".

Then came the Malibu SS, the 3800 (non S/C'd) MCSS you guys already made that point.

I think the 2 door Cobalt SS S/C is where GM should be. Yeah, the small cars in the next few years should evolve to beat my Z28SS, but there was a car in the 80's called an Omni GLH, ran anywhere from a 6.5 to 8 second 0-60, beating up on MCSS's, IROCs, Mustangs and Corvettes. Don't see any around anymore, but you still see the V8's.

SILVER LS4
01-29-2008, 09:49 AM
You can't get the turo motor on a non ss hhr. I think that a turbo has a lot more potential than a super charger, especially with today's technology. I know there are a few low 10 sec turbo srt 4's running around here Anyway, turbo vs super charged could be a whole nother topic. You also bring up a good point there 20SS07, there seems to be a trend toward 4 door hatch/wagon cars. Look at the new wrx sti, and the caliper srt 4, mazda 3 speed and of course the hhr ss now. I like the car (again, for the wife) because it does have the room over a cobalt, esp head room which helps with getting the kids in/out of car seats. It also has a lot of potential with a tune, better inter cooler (they are helping the solstice gxp's and saturn sky red lines) and exhaust. It could be a fun little car by todays standards, and it's a Chevy.

crippler22
01-29-2008, 10:41 AM
If the wife doesn't want the Camaro SS I am going to go for the G8 GT sportwagon. Its kinda fun driving a wagon that doesn't just haul the kids.

20SS07
01-29-2008, 11:05 AM
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but we're not getting the G8 wagon now.