View Full Version : What tire for best traction and fastest ET? Are ET Drags not the hot ticket anymore?


Dragaholic
11-27-2007, 05:26 PM
Like the title says, are ET Drags not the best tire for the best traction and fastest ETs? I vaguely remember someone saying something about a drag radial will net you better/just as good traction, but slightly better in ET. What's the scoop?

MADMAN
11-27-2007, 05:29 PM
If you can hook it then the radial is faster. Also Hoosier has a badass Radial slick that is 30" diameter and is worth a ton on a N/A setup.

Firehawk441
11-27-2007, 06:14 PM
If you can hook it then the radial is faster. Also Hoosier has a badass Radial slick that is 30" diameter and is worth a ton on a N/A setup.

Got them Hoosiers. Great tires!

gator's 99TA
11-27-2007, 06:24 PM
get the 30" hoosier radials.

Dragaholic
11-27-2007, 06:32 PM
Man, ya'll are a bunch of good guys. I love LS1Tech. I appreciate the help.

So if you say if I can hook...are these harder to hook the ET Drags? Does the track prep have to be badass? Are they consistent?

Yep, I'm still naturally aspirated. Maybe next time around I'll build a turbo or nitrous setup.

Dragaholic
11-27-2007, 06:41 PM
This is all I came up with, is this what you're referring to:

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=HOO%2D18215&N=700+4294923107+400343+4294921520+4294793325+4294 905061+4294854908+115&autoview=sku

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=HOO%2D18214&N=700+4294923107+400343+4294921520+4294793325+4294 905061+4294854908+115&autoview=sku

The difference between the 2 according to the description is the compound, but I can't say what the difference is.

Dragaholic
11-27-2007, 07:03 PM
Ok, found this:

http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?Ntt=hoo-17319&x=0&y=0&searchinresults=false&Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&N=700+115

Is that it?

chrismorales75
11-27-2007, 07:28 PM
A lot of M/T drag tires and et street tires are M5 compound which is harder than the R1/R2 compound found in the drag radial street tire and drag radial slicks, look at M/T site they have a lists of the compounds.

With the softer compound and stiffer side wall found in the drag radials it reacts faster with less sidewall wind up, netting a quicker launch assuming the car hooks on it.

Dragaholic
11-27-2007, 10:07 PM
A few questions, then off to bed.

1. Are the Hoosier Drag Radials lighter than my current ET Drags? (325/60/15 vs. 29.5x10.5/15)

2. Which compound is softer?

3. Which one will hook better considering everything else is the same?

4. Which one is lighter?

5. Being that the Hoosier tire that ya'll are recommending is a drag radial, is it still a good all out drag tire? I ask because this is strictly a drag car.

6. What kind of life and how does it compare to what I have?

7. More or less time to properly heat them?

8. What PSI for best results?

9. Do I need to use wheel screws? I did to my current ET Drags.

10. How do they compare in size? (height and width)

11. Do the Hoosier drag radials grow any and if so, how much?

12. Last but not least, are they going to fit if my 29.5x10.5 ET Drags fit?

Sorry for all the questions, but I have no info or experience with these tires and want to make sure of these things before I buy them because I plan to do so tomorrow.

Thanks in advance! :)

chrismorales75
11-27-2007, 10:14 PM
29.5x10.5 is lighter.

Drag radial compound is softer r2 vs m5

Drag radial would hook better.

The drag radial is street legal but it is a drag car compound.

A lot of my friends who run drag radial run about 20 passes and swap to new ones but they still hook good while they wear down.

A lot of people do shorter burnouts on the drag radials.

D/R run more psi than a standard slick, my friend runs 18psi in his and runs low 8's.

They still run rim screws.

The 325 is about 28" and about as wide as a 29x10.5

The D/R grow very little.

The tire is shorter and I believe the section of a 325 on a 10" wide rim is very close to 13". So the section width should be about the same.

MADMAN
11-28-2007, 06:12 AM
The Hoosier Radial slick is the tire I am talking about. The Hoosier DOT drag radial sucks.

The radial doesnt grow, it will fit where a MT 29.5 will fit. Yes you need screws. New tires start at 24 psi

Dragaholic
11-28-2007, 06:17 AM
So how are the Hoosiers worth more ET when the ET Drags weigh less?

20 passes, wow, even less than a true drag tire.

I thought with a drag radial you're in the burnout longer, but if these particular drag radials have a softer compound, then yes, I can see less time.

I thought the 325/60 was closer to 30"? According to Hoosier's website, it shows to be 29.7" tall.

MADMAN, wow, so many different tires. I thought I found what everyone was recommending. I'll look again, but if you have a link, feel free. :)

Dragaholic
11-28-2007, 06:19 AM
This is all there is to choose from:

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/category_10001_10002_36679_-1_10579

Dragaholic
11-28-2007, 06:29 AM
I found this:

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10001_10002_44864_-1

MADMAN
11-28-2007, 07:11 AM
Hoosier 18215C07 - Hoosier Drag Slicks

Bitemark46
11-28-2007, 08:03 AM
I've always been told that a stick car that hits the tires hard needs a soft sidewall (i.e. slick) and a auto car can get away with radials since it doesn't shock the tires as hard.

-Mark

LC
11-28-2007, 08:05 AM
what about goodyears?

Sold as a 30x9 but actual size is 29.5 - D12 compound, radial built

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=GDY%2D6251&N=700+400181+4294923107+4294921520+4294793325+4294 900722+4294854532+4294794231+115&autoview=sku

Dragaholic
11-28-2007, 09:51 AM
Firehawk441 and gator's 99TA, are you guys referring to the exact tire that MADMAN is referring to? There's a Hoosier Drag Radial and a Hoosier Radial Slick.

Oh and just curious, why does the radial version of the slick worth more on a N/A setup?

WS6TransAm01
11-28-2007, 10:14 AM
What about us guys who run 28" tires LOL

Hoosier does not make a 28" Radial Slick... we're screwed aren't we? LOL

Hawkn01
11-28-2007, 11:38 AM
Firehawk441 and gator's 99TA, are you guys referring to the exact tire that MADMAN is referring to? There's a Hoosier Drag Radial and a Hoosier Radial Slick.

Oh and just curious, why does the radial version of the slick worth more on a N/A setup?

The radial slicks are good for about a .010 in ET gain. Less rolling resistance, and less sidewall flex account for the gains in performnce.

You want the radial slick. They make two compounds, C06 and C07. The C06 lightweight is the softer compound(23lbs) and a tad lighter good for cool weather. The C07 compound(26lbs) is good for summer weather and is alittle heavier.
The Hoosier part numbers are 18214 for the lightweight C06 version, and 18215 for the C07. I think Jegs or Summit only carry the C07 version. You'll have to get the lightweight version from a Hoosier dealer.





Lightweight C06 version 23lbs
18214 >30.0/10.5R-15 Radial*** A 10.5" 29.5" 92.5" 9-10" 10" 12.5" 23 C06

Standard C07 version 26lbs
18215 >30.0/10.5-15 Radial A 10.5" 29.5" 92.5" 9-10" 10" 12.5" 26 C07

chrismorales75
11-28-2007, 12:25 PM
What about us guys who run 28" tires LOL

Hoosier does not make a 28" Radial Slick... we're screwed aren't we? LOL

They make a 28" stiff side wall slick

chrismorales75
11-28-2007, 12:29 PM
So how are the Hoosiers worth more ET when the ET Drags weigh less?

20 passes, wow, even less than a true drag tire.

I thought with a drag radial you're in the burnout longer, but if these particular drag radials have a softer compound, then yes, I can see less time.

I thought the 325/60 was closer to 30"? According to Hoosier's website, it shows to be 29.7" tall.

MADMAN, wow, so many different tires. I thought I found what everyone was recommending. I'll look again, but if you have a link, feel free. :)

The drag radial slick he is talking about uses a radial constructed sidewall which reacts faster and assuming the car hooks on it less power loss and et get taken from the tire wrapping up.

People get more than 20 passes on drag radials, I was just saying my friends swap theirs more often because they compete and like to keep the tires fresh.

The 325 is 28" tall it is a 50 series, you're thinking of the 315 60 15 which is close to 30" tall and has a 13.5 section on a 15x10 14.24 on a 15x12.

If he says run a hoosier drag slick with radial sidewall I'd try it, he deals with more race cars than we do LOL.

MADMAN
11-28-2007, 12:38 PM
On the radial slicks you should get 60 passes on them. Its what Coach has been running for the last 2 years. His car picked up alot and is alot more consistent.

Dragaholic
11-28-2007, 12:42 PM
THANKS again everyone for your help/input. I'm going to go ahead and order the Hoosier Drag Slicks with radial construction, with the C06 compound.

85Iroc
11-28-2007, 01:14 PM
Would those tires be good for a N/A setup making 800-850 fwhp? It's a ladder bar car thats cut 1.31 60's on 28x10.5 ET drags, so far.

Firehawk441
11-28-2007, 03:54 PM
What about us guys who run 28" tires LOL

Hoosier does not make a 28" Radial Slick... we're screwed aren't we? LOL

Basically, yes.

Dragaholic
12-04-2007, 01:47 PM
Ok...a little comparing.

Hoosier Radial Slick vs. M/T ET Slick
Size - 30/10.5R/15 vs. 29.5/10.5/15
Compound - C06 vs. M5
Weight - 23 lbs. vs. 25 lbs.
Circumference - 92.5 vs 94

Is less circumference/rollout better? The Hoosier is lighter. What's softer, C06 or M5?

RAGENZ28
12-04-2007, 01:58 PM
Ok...a little comparing.

Hoosier Radial Slick vs. M/T ET Slick
Size - 30/10.5R/15 vs. 29.5/10.5/15
Compound - C06 vs. M5
Weight - 23 lbs. vs. 25 lbs.
Circumference - 92.5 vs 94

Is less circumference/rollout better? The Hoosier is lighter. What's softer, C06 or M5?

I would think the m5 compound is closer to the c07 compound, so the c06 would be softer, lighter is better in any tire, circumference only relates to the tire hight. One is simply taller than the other.

Just divide the 92.5 or 94 or any circumference by 3.14 it will give you the true hight of the tire assuming the circumference is correct.

So one is 29.4 and the other is 29.9.

Air pressure and rim width will also effect the tire hight.

Personally I think the hoosier slick on paper sounds like the better tire.

mike c.
12-04-2007, 02:55 PM
I have been running the M&H Racemaster 26x10.5x15 cheeter slick for years and have not found a tire that I've tried to out hook it on my car. I cut 1.42 60's on motor,m6 w/4.11's 14-16psi hot on my old set up. I tried e.t drags,e.t streets hoosier,and goodyears for a pass and they did not out hook the M&H on my car. I will try the m/t radials this year,but I don't expect them to out hook the H&H either. www.intercotire.com My bud runs the et radial and says street driving wears them fast.

RAGENZ28
12-04-2007, 06:59 PM
I have been running the M&H Racemaster 26x10.5x15 cheeter slick for years and have not found a tire that I've tried to out hook it on my car. I cut 1.42 60's on motor,m6 w/4.11's 14-16psi hot on my old set up. I tried e.t drags,e.t streets hoosier,and goodyears for a pass and they did not out hook the M&H on my car. I will try the m/t radials this year,but I don't expect them to out hook the H&H either. www.intercotire.com My bud runs the et radial and says street driving wears them fast.

Maybe you need to adjust the chassis some.

TXCAMSS
12-05-2007, 01:13 AM
Hoosier 18214 lightweight CO6 compound here. They work!

crb99ws6
12-09-2007, 07:50 PM
I have used both the M/T 29.5 10.5 stiff sidewall and the hoosier 30 10.5 radial slick. The hoosier cut better 60's and were more stable on the big end. The M/T is actually taller than the hoosiers also. I guess being radial constuction, the hoosiers did not wrinkle and would be the reason for quicker reactions because traction on both were great.

Kenny H
12-09-2007, 09:03 PM
FWIW I had a 569 rwhp '95 Mustang GT. I had 315-35-17 hoosier drag radials on a mostly stock suspension, no drag shocks/springs, sway bar was still on etc and the car dead hooked without issue on those tires. On the street from a 1st gear roll with the car at 4500 MPH if I wacked it they did not spin at all, it was just violent acceleration. I'd highly recommend them. They were also very streetable for basic needs.

crb99ws6
12-09-2007, 10:10 PM
I think there is a communication problem. The tire I'm referring to is a Hoosier drag slick. It has no tread what so ever, but is made of radial construction. Not to be confused with a drag radial tire made for street use or DOT approved.

Dragaholic
12-09-2007, 11:31 PM
I have the Hoosier radial slicks waiting for me. I wanted to see how my M/T ET Drags were going to do after sitting over 2 years. They didn't show any signs of being dry rotted. The car was on stands, so it wasn't on the tire and they had very little use. I wanted to be sure so I tried them out tonight. It's kind of expensive assuming they're no good.

Well after the first pass, they showed horrible wrinkle marks on the sidewall due to it giving out. So I definitely have to go pick up the Hoosiers this week.

RAGENZ28
12-09-2007, 11:45 PM
Sucks to hear that. But it's gonna fly on those new hoosiers :thumb: nite

WS6TransAm01
12-10-2007, 04:10 PM
They make a 28" stiff side wall slick

I have those already M/T 3055S but A radial slick would be cool in 28" tall