GR8GAME

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I have the PP Stage II heads on my car with the comp 224/224 .581 .581 114lsa cam already in it. I want to go a little bigger and am hoping for something like 450+ to the wheels.

I also have kooks LT's moser 12 with 3:73's ls6 intake, lid, and cutout.

any info would be helpful. any suggestions on custom grinds would be helpful

JPH

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with those heads, you better use a MS3 or bigger!

allthrotle

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Is the car on the stock bottom end? cause if so you cant run an ms3 with those heads believe me Ive got the same heads and had to sell the ms3 cause I would have had ptv issues. I ended up using a trick flow stg 3 camshaft. 228/230 .585/.585 on a 112lsa.

k-mart

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In my experience with those heads, I'd stick to the smaller duration cam and add a FAST 90 or wait to see how the Weiand does.

I found that they lack low-mid lift flow when compared to my current AFR's and this resulted in poor low end, IMO, with my G5x2. Pull up top doesn't seem to be that much greater with the AFR's, but low and mid-range are much improved.

I'd recommend using a smaller cam with those heads and try to find more speed elsewhere w/o giving up power under the curve.

rickyracer25

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just fly-cut, one of the many things you have to think about when you set-up to a big cam.....

allthrotle

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Not a big fan of flycutting considering it creates hot spots and your removing material from an already weak piston.

JPH

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If the MS3 is to big and needs flucutting, use a Crane #144HR00075 it will do the job just fine.

Disturbed Bird

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go with a vengeance vrx4 cam

Jason 98 TA

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Wit the clearance issues your going to have with milled heads & bigger valves I'd look to something like the torquer 3. We've seen it engine dyno within 7hp of the MS4 with much better p/v. What does the car make currently? You should see about 18-22hp more from swapping out the 224 camshaft...

99mongooSS

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i love my MS4...Im keeping it on my forged setup once its done.

'02 WS6

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x2

i'm planning to flycut w/ my head swap.

GR8GAME

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So instead of going for a large cam that will get me minimal gains with these heads (without fly cutting and so on and so forth) should I get a blower cam that will make decent power up until I can afford a d1sc?

What kind of cams might those be?

allthrotle

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I was looking at a comp xr265hr camshaft for boost, 212/218 duration, .558/.563 lift on a 115lsa. That cam would give you good gain n/a and its not to bad for boost.

TheLS1Kid

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I have a TSP 233/239 with those exact Patriot heads and DID NOT flycut.

They are the older style Patriot heads that are not milled so PTV wasn't an issue.

No dyno #'s yet, I'm gathering funds for a clutch.

blksheep

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i vote for the torquer 3... im at 433 with those heads with an untouched ls6 intake...