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Old 01-20-2008, 03:50 PM
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Did my M6 swap this weekend, all is well besides the fact I cannot get a complete pedal. It has a new slave, original master (which worked in the donor car Friday). The pedal has about an 1" of free-play and then gets good and firm all the way to the floor. It has been bled many times now and I cannot get it to engage gears without pushing it very very hard into the floor. We did the drill mod on that master (and cleaned out the line), do you think since its not the "newer" master cylinder, it cant move enough fluid? My only though it to bleed it more, but I dont see how there can be any air left after so many bleeds. Ideas?...
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what clutch do you have?
some need a shim to engage properly
i just changed my spec 3 and found that the previous
installer did not shim the slave,
i had engagement issues for 25,000 miles
then i put in a mcleod master and it cured the problem
until i hit 33,000 miles then i needed a new clutch.
FWI get a remote bleeder line, it will be worth it`s weight in gold.
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Hey this is going to be a little off topic, but how long did it take you to do your swap? Im going to be doing mine this weekend so im trying to get a ballpark idea as to how long it may take.
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Originally Posted by shoemike
what clutch do you have?
some need a shim to engage properly
i just changed my spec 3 and found that the previous
installer did not shim the slave,
i had engagement issues for 25,000 miles
then i put in a mcleod master and it cured the problem
until i hit 33,000 miles then i needed a new clutch.
FWI get a remote bleeder line, it will be worth it`s weight in gold.
Not sure of the brand of clutch...however in this case..EVERYTHING came directly off of the operational 6speed car, and went directly into mine...But now doesnt seem to work just right. It acts like it needs to be bled more, but man we have done it a bunch already, thats why I was second guessing the Master. I just ordered one for Tue, in case I need it. Any other ideas/advice?..
Black...if I wasnt gutting two cars, and has the M6 stuff ready to go before taking mine apart I would say its a day or two job max. But could be done faster depending how manyhours you want to put in.
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Thats good to hear, I have all the parts im gonna need so luckily ill only hafta gut my car, plus a day or 2 doesnt sound bad at all
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do you know how many miles are on the clutch?
did you bench bleed it?
it will take allot of bleeding if you use the
bolt type bleeder valve that comes with the slave.
a remote bleeder is your best friend.
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Originally Posted by shoemike
do you know how many miles are on the clutch?
did you bench bleed it?
it will take allot of bleeding if you use the
bolt type bleeder valve that comes with the slave.
a remote bleeder is your best friend.
Miles on clutch are less than 1000..
Did we bench bleed the slave..No..

What do you consider "alot" of bleeding? If I was to guess, I'd say we have bleed it 10-12 times. The pedal gets firm about 1" down, and stays firm to the floor, it just doesnt seem to throw enough. The clutch will also grab just off the floor, witch I assume is a byproduct of the slave not comletely doing its job yet?..
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.................. ......you should pull the tranny and replace the clutch, and buy that mcleod master thing.
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That 1" of air could make all the difference..
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Originally Posted by Eskimo
That 1" of air could make all the difference..
I think we may have bent the rod on the master a VERY small amount when we pulled it out of his car...BUT...we even bent the pedal stop out of the way under the dash to give the pedal more throw and it still didnt want to work. It sure acts like air in the line, I just dont see how. My tranny guy has it right now. I'll let you know what we come up with.
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From what I've read and experienced with a failing MC, the hydraulics on the f-bodies are marginal at best, and that's when they're working perfectly.

I went with the McLeod MC to give myself a little bit of margin.. YMMV.


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