Generation III Internal Engine 1997-2006 LS1 | LS6
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Help! Lost 10-15 lbs of oil pressure

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-08-2008, 11:25 PM
  #1  
Launching!
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
ibjamin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: wisconsin
Posts: 200
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default Help! Lost 10-15 lbs of oil pressure

My engine lost about 10-15 pounds of oil pressure. It used to make just under 40 at idle (hot) and a little over 40 at higher revs. Pressure really didn't go up much with revs.

Then it lost about 10-15 pounds at some point. Now at idle it makes 20-25 and never gets over 35 and that is after going to Mobil 1 15w50, which added about 5 pounds.

Is there something wrong with the bearings or do you think the pump might be going bad? It is a 99 LS1. Stroker, 6.1L, heads and cam. It has an oil cooler in the radiator but that was put on before the pressure problem. AFAIK the pump is stock 99LS1.

If it is the pump what would you recommend? LS6, LPE hi volume, Melling 296? I may be adding an Accusump to it also so there will be like 9-10 quarts of oil in the system.

Thanks,

George
Old 02-08-2008, 11:32 PM
  #2  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (3)
 
heavymetals's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Southern Calif.
Posts: 1,590
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts

Default

Are you sure it lost pressure, that is, you have measured it?

You could have a sensor failing which is not unheard of.

It is located on the top of the motor just behind the intake manifold.
Old 02-08-2008, 11:39 PM
  #3  
Banned
iTrader: (8)
 
ae13291's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: san fernando valley, california
Posts: 3,093
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

i would also say failing sensor! do u notice any more noise coming from the motor?? like pushrods, etc
Old 02-09-2008, 12:24 AM
  #4  
TECH Enthusiast
 
JHL88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: SC
Posts: 535
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

if it is in fact your oil pump based on what you have id go with an SLP which is a modified melling 296
Old 02-09-2008, 12:35 AM
  #5  
TECH Regular
iTrader: (24)
 
tatasta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Nevada
Posts: 447
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Idling at around 40 and staying at 40 at high rpms sounds strange first of all. Idling at around 25 and high rpms at 40 doesn't sound uncommon, especially with stock pump. 6 to 8 psi per 1000rpm is sufficient but not always desirable. May be worth taking it in and getting a "true" reading from a mechanical gauge. Just my opinion.
Old 02-09-2008, 01:46 AM
  #6  
dug
Banned
iTrader: (10)
 
dug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 3,721
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

might be time for an oil change. change it and see if it helps
Old 02-09-2008, 07:45 AM
  #7  
Launching!
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
ibjamin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: wisconsin
Posts: 200
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Oil was changed when I went to the 15w-50. I'm positive that the guage is reading proper. I had the low pressure light come on slightly in the middle of the Carasel at Road America.

Which pump should I get?

Is it possible some bearing clearances have opened up? I can't think of anything else that causes a drop in OP.
Old 02-09-2008, 11:43 AM
  #8  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (6)
 
Lt1Porsche's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Midlothian, Virginia
Posts: 795
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

First off if i was you I would get rid of that 15w-50 ****. Go to a 5w-30 or 10w-30. And use a good filter. NAPA GOLD series or K&N are good filters. Why would you use 15w-50 anyway?
Old 02-09-2008, 02:17 PM
  #9  
dug
Banned
iTrader: (10)
 
dug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 3,721
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Lt1Porsche
First off if i was you I would get rid of that 15w-50 ****. Go to a 5w-30 or 10w-30. And use a good filter. NAPA GOLD series or K&N are good filters. Why would you use 15w-50 anyway?
werd
Old 02-09-2008, 02:57 PM
  #10  
Launching!
iTrader: (29)
 
Zitty'sZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Homestead, Fl
Posts: 231
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I would say your oil pump is the problem, it seems alot of 1999-2000 models have this problem. I have a 1999 z28 and it was doing the exact same thing yours is. I installed the SLP pump when I did my heads and cam and now it idles cold at 65 lbs and 50 lbs hot . Just change the oil pump and you should be fine .
Old 02-09-2008, 04:46 PM
  #11  
Launching!
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
ibjamin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: wisconsin
Posts: 200
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

I put the 15W 50 in to get more pressure. The car is roadraced and the 10w30 I used was too low when it got hot. I'll try a new pump before anything more dramatic.

So which pump? I saw Lingenfelter sells a high volume pump for $90. Seems decent. Any others? Like I said, the car has an oil cooler and will be getting an Accusump also so there will be almost 10 quarts in the system.
Old 02-09-2008, 04:59 PM
  #12  
dug
Banned
iTrader: (10)
 
dug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 3,721
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

15 50 will make things worse

stick 2 5w30
Old 02-09-2008, 05:36 PM
  #13  
11 Second Club
iTrader: (20)
 
5_02ls1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Virginia
Posts: 3,131
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

hahaha

well you raoad race it....sounds like you hasve lost a lil clearance throw in a new hv melling pump and the pressurev will return....and theres nothing wrong with 50 weight oil.....i run nothin but 40 in mine.....

oh and how many miles on the rotating assembly???
Old 02-09-2008, 05:54 PM
  #14  
TECH Veteran
 
robertbartsch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Hartsdale, NY
Posts: 4,055
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

my 99 gave up the oil pump in 2001 so I swapped in a high pressure unit.

GMs have this issue but the General refused to recall.

...swap it or loose you engine...
Old 02-09-2008, 06:29 PM
  #15  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (25)
 
shoemike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Prescott, AZ
Posts: 1,283
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by ibjamin
My engine lost about 10-15 pounds of oil pressure. It used to make just under 40 at idle (hot) and a little over 40 at higher revs. Pressure really didn't go up much with revs.

Then it lost about 10-15 pounds at some point. Now at idle it makes 20-25 and never gets over 35 and that is after going to Mobil 1 15w50, which added about 5 pounds.

Is there something wrong with the bearings or do you think the pump might be going bad? It is a 99 LS1. Stroker, 6.1L, heads and cam. It has an oil cooler in the radiator but that was put on before the pressure problem. AFAIK the pump is stock 99LS1.

If it is the pump what would you recommend? LS6, LPE hi volume, Melling 296? I may be adding an Accusump to it also so there will be like 9-10 quarts of oil in the system.

Thanks,

George
i have had this same issue for 30,000 miles.
and i installed a mechanical gauge in line,
and i have concluded that my stock sending unit/gauge is faulty.
i too road race a bit and have yet to spin a bearing.
change your sending unit first.
don`t bother changing your oil pump unless you
go with the melling hv 10296 or the gm hv 17801830
Old 02-09-2008, 10:19 PM
  #16  
Launching!
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
ibjamin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: wisconsin
Posts: 200
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

The engine has 34K miles on it.
Old 02-09-2008, 10:44 PM
  #17  
12 Second Club
iTrader: (6)
 
Viper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Cleveland, OH
Posts: 4,908
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

My 99 oil pump died with 35K on the clock, cost me the motor in 2001 and GM refused to cover it under warranty. FWIW.
Old 02-09-2008, 10:47 PM
  #18  
11 Second Club
iTrader: (14)
 
Camaro396's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Toledo, Oh
Posts: 5,091
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts

Default

It could be the sending unit, but its probably the pump. I did the meling high vol pump when I did my cam swap, it idles at like 50psi, and almost pegs when its WOT.
Old 02-25-2008, 06:51 PM
  #19  
TECH Regular
iTrader: (3)
 
SILVERZZ28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: South,Alabama
Posts: 424
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Does it make more pressure when cold? If so then how could it be the sending unit?




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:39 AM.