Street Racing & Kill Stories - Killed by Evo 8!

Just raced a friend of mine who has an Evo 8 with exhaust and boost controller. I've got a 01 m6 Z with pacesetters and tsp true duals. We did a roll in first at 15mph to 100. I jumped out in front till the top of second and then he proceeded to whoop my ass. He ended up having at least 2 car lengths on me.

He told me he kept the boost at 22lbs and had a lot left. If thats the case are evos just baddass or is he messin with me?

good death...I tried to race one last night but he apparently just drove it off the lot

yea 22 isnt much higher than stock. so no he wasnt shitting you. im guessing hes a half decent driver as well...

obviously he's a better driver then I or something :barf:

ehh...dont sweat it. its not like you lost to a Hyundai elantra or something. evos are fast cars. they trap in the mid to high teens with his mods and a good driver

I eat Evos for lunch.

Honorable death. Get going on the mods!

No Lid? Fix that. Then start saving for a cam and related hardware.

Yeah a cam is a economical way to boost the power by about 50-60 whp. That should take care of him.

evos are nasty especially when modded. i prefer racing them from a roll. from a dig they are just sick if the driver knows how to launch it right

i still think he had more in his car then he let you know about.

Evos are fucking insane, period. the evo nine has run 12.9 bone stock with a LOT of people hitting HIGH 13s all day.....the ls1 is starting to show its age, the fastest ls1 doesnt beat that by much anymore. in addition to that, the evo 8s still run 11s all day with boltons.

cars with less HP and Cylinders are able to keep up using technology (Boost and AWD)....its ok tho, because you can add some bottled technology to your car and remind him why its not nice to be boosted 4cylinder and pick on n/a v8s lol.


to those whos thinking he lies about his mods.. he prob was not lying about his mods at all, those things are VERY mod even the 8s were fast like i said. if you street raced where i went, youd know that the evo boys are not to be taken lightly. going past i believe 23psi on pump is not a wise move, but i think im wrong there

you do the math...an engine (the 4g63 with a turbo) thats been around since 1990 and could run 12s on the stock turbo (14b turbo) back in 97 with bolt ons and run 10s with the stock engine as long as kept under 500WHP....upgraded to 2004 in a brand new chassis and AWD capablities, thing even comes with a two step STOCK. Nothing about an engine thats been around that long on the modding scene should ever be taken lightly. so you shouldnt feel to bad about losing to one of the most devloped four cylinders to ever exsist.

Well you cant win them all :) My buddy has an Evo IX with just a turboback and reflash he ran 12.4. When I had my Evo 8 I could pull Z's with the same mods. With my cams, reflash etc I could hold SS's off from a roll (as in they couldnt pass me)

didnt you have an evo^ not to thread hijack

good death...I tried to race one last night but he apparently just drove it off the lot

We're you the one going to race the black Neon saturday night, but ended up pulling into the parking lot?

Just raced a friend of mine who has an Evo 8 with exhaust and boost controller. I've got a 01 m6 Z with pacesetters and tsp true duals. We did a roll in first at 15mph to 100. I jumped out in front till the top of second and then he proceeded to whoop my ass. He ended up having at least 2 car lengths on me.

He told me he kept the boost at 22lbs and had a lot left. If thats the case are evos just baddass or is he messin with me?

is your car tuned with those mods? buddy had and evo 8 with intake,downpipe,exhaust,and a mbc set at 22lbs and it wasnt faster than my stock Gto from a roll with me pulling up top. maybe he is hiding something or you need the driver mod. Your car is a 6spd car correct?

ehh...dont sweat it. its not like you lost to a Hyundai elantra or something. evos are fast cars. they trap in the mid to high teens with his mods and a good driver

when you say "teens" do you mean thirTEENS or was it a typo and you think they actually runs mid to high TENs with those mods?

Anyone who thinks an intake/exhaust evo with a MBC on 22lbs will run tens has to be on some good shiet lol:D

Evos are fucking insane, period. the evo nine has run 12.9 bone stock with a LOT of people hitting HIGH 13s all day.....the ls1 is starting to show its age, the fastest ls1 doesnt beat that by much anymore. in addition to that, the evo 8s still run 11s all day with boltons.

cars with less HP and Cylinders are able to keep up using technology (Boost and AWD)....its ok tho, because you can add some bottled technology to your car and remind him why its not nice to be boosted 4cylinder and pick on n/a v8s lol.


to those whos thinking he lies about his mods.. he prob was not lying about his mods at all, those things are VERY mod even the 8s were fast like i said. if you street raced where i went, youd know that the evo boys are not to be taken lightly. going past i believe 23psi on pump is not a wise move, but i think im wrong there

you do the math...an engine (the 4g63 with a turbo) thats been around since 1990 and could run 12s on the stock turbo (14b turbo) back in 97 with bolt ons and run 10s with the stock engine as long as kept under 500WHP....upgraded to 2004 in a brand new chassis and AWD capablities, thing even comes with a two step STOCK. Nothing about an engine thats been around that long on the modding scene should ever be taken lightly. so you shouldnt feel to bad about losing to one of the most devloped four cylinders to ever exsist.

I raced one with tbe, intake, boost controller, tune, and suspension mods and i was able to walk away from him. That is my stand point. I am not saying thay are slow but a lot of people dont tell you all the shit they have done to their car.

I have raced a EVO IV that said he was running "low boost" on stock turbo(s)? with full exhaust, cams and tune against my mods in sig and he pulled by about 2 cars from a 20 roll about 110-115. So don't be surprised if some of the EVO owners don't say everything that they have done.

We're you the one going to race the black Neon saturday night, but ended up pulling into the parking lot?


yea thats me....my friend checked out the roads and 2 cops were sitting at KFC thats why the race flopped. I later found out from another guy that it was sheriffs from a different county. I wasn't going to take a chance at the time but they left about 30 minutes later and when I went back to see if the guy still wanted to run he was pulling out....maybe next time

Evos are fucking insane, period. the evo nine has run 12.9 bone stock with a LOT of people hitting HIGH 13s all day.....the ls1 is starting to show its age, the fastest ls1 doesnt beat that by much anymore. in addition to that, the evo 8s still run 11s all day with boltons.

cars with less HP and Cylinders are able to keep up using technology (Boost and AWD)....its ok tho, because you can add some bottled technology to your car and remind him why its not nice to be boosted 4cylinder and pick on n/a v8s lol.


to those whos thinking he lies about his mods.. he prob was not lying about his mods at all, those things are VERY mod even the 8s were fast like i said. if you street raced where i went, youd know that the evo boys are not to be taken lightly. going past i believe 23psi on pump is not a wise move, but i think im wrong there

you do the math...an engine (the 4g63 with a turbo) thats been around since 1990 and could run 12s on the stock turbo (14b turbo) back in 97 with bolt ons and run 10s with the stock engine as long as kept under 500WHP....upgraded to 2004 in a brand new chassis and AWD capablities, thing even comes with a two step STOCK. Nothing about an engine thats been around that long on the modding scene should ever be taken lightly. so you shouldnt feel to bad about losing to one of the most devloped four cylinders to ever exsist.


Thats some serious balls on the chin lip service right there. Anything can be fast with money dumped in them. You want ricer logic? Spend the money that you would spend on an Evo ~$25,000, then put that money in a dated LS platform f-body. Your cute little AWD toy isnt so bad anymore. I know there are those mythical fast ones out there, but I havent run into one that could stay within buses of my last motor NA.

Thats some serious balls on the chin lip service right there. Anything can be fast with money dumped in them. You want ricer logic? Spend the money that you would spend on an Evo ~$25,000, then put that money in a dated LS platform f-body. Your cute little AWD toy isnt so bad anymore. I know there are those mythical fast ones out there, but I havent run into one that could stay within buses of my last motor NA.

AMEN MAN. i always tell people that, they go out and buy a brand new evo and talk trash ohh its faster than your ls1 blah blah. first off the ls1 was about 1/3 the cost and how ever man years old. if you are just looking to have a fast car i have no idea why you would buy a brand new car unless it was maybe a z06 vette. otherwise buy a 6-7k ls1 and put 6-7k into it and its running low 11's all day.

Thats some serious balls on the chin lip service right there. Anything can be fast with money dumped in them. You want ricer logic? Spend the money that you would spend on an Evo ~$25,000, then put that money in a dated LS platform f-body. Your cute little AWD toy isnt so bad anymore. I know there are those mythical fast ones out there, but I havent run into one that could stay within buses of my last motor NA.

sweet who gives a fuck. you said yourself its ricer logic.

when you say "teens" do you mean thirTEENS or was it a typo and you think they actually runs mid to high TENs with those mods?

Anyone who thinks an intake/exhaust evo with a MBC on 22lbs will run tens has to be on some good shiet lol:D

oh no, sorry, i should have worded that better... i meant that they can trap the mid to high teens mph wise. (115-116mph)

Thats some serious balls on the chin lip service right there. Anything can be fast with money dumped in them. You want ricer logic? Spend the money that you would spend on an Evo ~$25,000, then put that money in a dated LS platform f-body. Your cute little AWD toy isnt so bad anymore. I know there are those mythical fast ones out there, but I havent run into one that could stay within buses of my last motor NA.

what are you talking about. i see ws6's and ss's still going for 20k and above depending on the condition. ive also seen some high clock evos around here go for a little over 10k.

oh no, sorry, i should have worded that better... i meant that they can trap the mid to high teens mph wise. (115-116mph)

werd.

AMEN MAN. i always tell people that, they go out and buy a brand new evo and talk trash ohh its faster than your ls1 blah blah. first off the ls1 was about 1/3 the cost and how ever man years old. if you are just looking to have a fast car i have no idea why you would buy a brand new car unless it was maybe a z06 vette. otherwise buy a 6-7k ls1 and put 6-7k into it and its running low 11's all day.


With that kind of logic you may as well go with a foxbody stang.

Shrug in away it's kind of true though outside of the vette there aren't to many decent american muscle cars out when you like at things like the EVO and STI.

Would of been nice to see the firebird brought back. Oh well

Thats some serious balls on the chin lip service right there. Anything can be fast with money dumped in them. You want ricer logic? Spend the money that you would spend on an Evo ~$25,000, then put that money in a dated LS platform f-body. Your cute little AWD toy isnt so bad anymore. I know there are those mythical fast ones out there, but I havent run into one that could stay within buses of my last motor NA.

heres the thing, sure you can make an evo fast in a straight line... and many if not a majority of the evo people build it to do that (or attempt to...). but the truth of the matter is, the evo is a rally car and is design to handle extremely well. you can drop 10k into your suspension on your 6-7k dollar fbody and it MIGHT then stand a chance on a road course vs a stock suspension evo. and if ya wanna run one of those mythical evos i know of a few in your neighborhood :D

What ever you say there buddy. Watch another Fast & the Furious movie and try not to blow the welds on you intake manifold with that 125 shot of nosssss.


What, hes right.

What ever you say there buddy. Watch another Fast & the Furious movie and try not to blow the welds on you intake manifold with that 125 shot of nosssss.

Hate to say it but he's right an Evo and the STI are built to meet the homologation rules for rally racing. The are meant to handle and handle well and they do that better than an F-Body. You can make an F-Body close but it would take a lot of effort and probably money. I am not a fan of them but they do handle like a little slot car.

Well I've owned a WRX and been in many STI's stock they don't handle that well. I don't know about EVO's and I'm sure they have more potential. But stock to stock they're a whole lot closer than your thinking. Subaru's understeer something horrible. My ws-6 handles better than the subaru did. If I'm wrong then I'll apologize to avoid argument. But this has been my personal experience and I imagined the EVO and STI would be about the same.

Well I've owned a WRX and been in many STI's stock they don't handle that well. I don't know about EVO's and I'm sure they have more potential. But stock to stock they're a whole lot closer than your thinking. Subaru's understeer something horrible. My ws-6 handles better than the subaru did. If I'm wrong then I'll apologize to avoid argument. But this has been my personal experience and I imagined the EVO and STI would be about the same.

I thought the same thing about them they don't seem to handle well and understeer BAD. Then a guy showed me how to drive them, slightly different then rear drive, and they really do handle better once you learn to drive them properly. I was pretty impressed. Your experience may be from the same thing I experienced not sure. The Evo and STI aren't much different really. Except the Evo is edgier, the STI is easier to drive.

Well I deleted my first post to avoid argument. I was just being a dickhead anyways. My experience has been exactly the same as yours and I wasn't impressed. Off corner traction was impressive but cornering not so much. I'm sure they've got potential but I don't think it would be hard to match a stock evo. I could be wrong though.

Well I deleted my first post to avoid argument. I was just being a dickhead anyways. My experience has been exactly the same as yours and I wasn't impressed. Off corner traction was impressive but cornering not so much. I'm sure they've got potential but I don't think it would be hard to match a stock evo. I could be wrong though.

There is only one way to prove it and that involves putting them on a roadcourse and getting busy. I would put my money on the Evo but I would enjoy getting down in my TA. :chug: I have a buddy with an Evo that does SCCA I may try it out to see how my TA would do.

You guys are on something if you think that a TA can hang w/ an all wheel drive EVO on a road course. There's a reason that AWD vehicles are classed differently from rear wheel driven cars. Further, there's no shame in losing to any boosted vehicle when yours is NA. In terms of street racing, let's not forget that the badest Mother's on the road are sprayed &/or boosted LSX powered vehicles. :headbang:

well if anyone would like to have a go vs an evo at the track, if your in DFW area there is a track day being put on by don herring mitsubishi, its open to anyone. its 95 dollars (cheapest track day you'll ever find), and it is in may so you have time to fix your blown struts or get new brake pads if needed :p

i'll be there, and if someone wants me to prove a point with stock suspension, thats whats on my car now. or i can use my 400 dollar coilovers and really put the hurt on. unfortunately though, its going to take a seriously well prepped car to stand a chance as i'll walk most of you in a straight line too :secret2:

(p.s. this isn't meant to start a giant e-fight. its mearly an invitation to get some f bodys out to the track to see how they do... it happens to be put on by the evo club so there will be a few evos out there. come one come all, show us 4 banger guys what you can do)

This is the STREET RACING section guys... why not stay on that topic :)

In my more reckless moments I've held off, and walked, one EVO through a few corners.

But that could have been, and likely was, a drivers thing.


As for EVOs, I raced an EVO 8 when I first sprayed my car. On a bone stock setup(read: no lid, full stock exhaust) and a 120 shot from a 60 roll I made him look pretty bad. Mods are unsure, but he had exhaust as far as I could see(probably full) and a few guages.

Ive seen a stock Evo get owned by a Mach 1. I think he is pulling your leg, he might have upped the boost. You should beat him on top end all day, as far as bottom end he should jump you out of the gate. But that just dont sound correct.

well if anyone would like to have a go vs an evo at the track, [QUOTE]

Wish I were closer to ya! :D

[QUOTE]i'll be there, and if someone wants me to prove a point; with stock suspension, thats whats on my car now. or i can use my 400 dollar coilovers and really put the hurt on. unfortunately though, its going to take a seriously well prepped car to stand a chance as i'll walk most of you in a straight line too :secret2: (come one come all, show us 4 banger guys what you can do)

OMG......you just did it. You are the very first EVO owner that I have ever found to have a Ricer's mentality. What the Heck are you doing, man? The EVO is one of the few 4 cylinder powered cars that is changing (slowly) the poor attitudes that people have about 4 cylinder powered vehicles & their drivers.
Damn shame I'm not closer; AWD or not, your Ricer a$$ would be mine. Further, if you ever get to any Eastern Ohio or Western PA tracks, let me know; I'll bring the camera......crew. :guns:


To the "stay on topic" crowd, the topic is "Got killed by an EVO 8." Street racing happens on tracks as well. How many kills are posted in this section that happen on a Drag strip (track)? To further stay on topic, a few mods to your LSX will get you closer to your friend.

you can drop 10k into your suspension on your 6-7k dollar fbody and it MIGHT then stand a chance on a road course vs a stock suspension evo.

WRONG!!

IF you were talking pure stock to pure stock, then yes, NO doubts your Nippon rally car will out handle the f body. The stickier stock tires it came with are almost half of the difference right there.

But you're not. You are speaking as a typical 'twisties defense' riceboy since it takes NO WHERE NEAR "10K into an f body suspension" to hang with your 'perfect' corner carver.
Even restricted/down on power the NASA CMC/AI/AIX cars prove this EVERY weekend of the year!!

Just raced a friend of mine who has an Evo 8 with exhaust and boost controller. I've got a 01 m6 Z with pacesetters and tsp true duals. We did a roll in first at 15mph to 100. I jumped out in front till the top of second and then he proceeded to whoop my ass. He ended up having at least 2 car lengths on me.

He told me he kept the boost at 22lbs and had a lot left. If thats the case are evos just baddass or is he messin with me?

i figured he was using alot of boost. yeah theyre badass with ALOT of boost.

this is a link to another one of my threads. it has a vid of me against a modded evo on the freeway. check it out if u want to.

http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...7-evo-vid.html

dammit i just checked that link and it doesnt work. oh well

[QUOTE=kevind;8795571]well if anyone would like to have a go vs an evo at the track, [QUOTE]

Wish I were closer to ya! :D



OMG......you just did it. You are the very first EVO owner that I have ever found to have a Ricer's mentality. What the Heck are you doing, man? The EVO is one of the few 4 cylinder powered cars that is changing (slowly) the poor attitudes that people have about 4 cylinder powered vehicles & their drivers.
Damn shame I'm not closer; AWD or not, your Ricer a$$ would be mine. Further, if you ever get to any Eastern Ohio or Western PA tracks, let me know; I'll bring the camera......crew. :guns:


To the "stay on topic" crowd, the topic is "Got killed by an EVO 8." Street racing happens on tracks as well. How many kills are posted in this section that happen on a Drag strip (track)? To further stay on topic, a few mods to your LSX will get you closer to your friend.


:D i know, i love it :) i have the ricer mentality :angel: if only i had a clue what i was doing...

The Evo's are pretty mean cars, if they weren't pieces of sh*t! I have heard some horror stories about Mits. I knew a guy who used to work for a Mit dealership several years ago. He said the 3000GT's were garbage. He said that if there was anything that could go wrong with a car, it would on a 3000GT.

My freinds uncles cousin said that his Chevy blew up. It is therefore true. He worked at a dealer a few years ago.

3000GTs and Evos have 0 common parts.
Evos are much more advanced and have stronger drivelines, while weighing the better part of 1000LBs less.
Stock Mitsu 4G63 long blocks have been handling 400WHP and more (much more in some cases) for a decade or so. Evo shortblocks are handling 400-500 WHP on GT35R turbo kits on a regular basis.
Stock 4 bolt (refers to the bolt paterns that mate the axles to the diff) rear ends have handled many seasons of 5000RPM plus launches on 11 second cars.
Mitsu stuff tends to have really strong basic components and really weak secondary stuff. So a CV joint with break, but despite what you hear, the tranny will put up with quite a bit. The clutch will start to slip for heat abuse and launching, but the flywheel is fine with a mild resurface. And so on.


Frankly with the way people often drive Evos (nobody really babies them the way they might say a 35th aniversary car) I'm amazed at how well they are lasting. They are overall a really tough car.

Evos are fucking insane, period. the evo nine has run 12.9 bone stock with a LOT of people hitting HIGH 13s all day.....the ls1 is starting to show its age, the fastest ls1 doesnt beat that by much anymore. in addition to that, the evo 8s still run 11s all day with boltons.

cars with less HP and Cylinders are able to keep up using technology (Boost and AWD)....its ok tho, because you can add some bottled technology to your car and remind him why its not nice to be boosted 4cylinder and pick on n/a v8s lol.


to those whos thinking he lies about his mods.. he prob was not lying about his mods at all, those things are VERY mod even the 8s were fast like i said. if you street raced where i went, youd know that the evo boys are not to be taken lightly. going past i believe 23psi on pump is not a wise move, but i think im wrong there

you do the math...an engine (the 4g63 with a turbo) thats been around since 1990 and could run 12s on the stock turbo (14b turbo) back in 97 with bolt ons and run 10s with the stock engine as long as kept under 500WHP....upgraded to 2004 in a brand new chassis and AWD capablities, thing even comes with a two step STOCK. Nothing about an engine thats been around that long on the modding scene should ever be taken lightly. so you shouldnt feel to bad about losing to one of the most devloped four cylinders to ever exsist.


The stock 7 bolts in the 2g's weren't that great, everyone has to swap to a 6 bolt if they want to get big power.

AWD can be a good thing if it has a great driver, so far i've beat two awd twin turbo stealths and one bpu vr-4, one stealth from a dig and roll, and the vr-4 from a dig and roll and I walked him out of the whole with two passengers, he didn't catch back up till 100mph when the 1/4 would be over anyway. The other stealth was saying he was pulling 12.8's we went from a 25 roll, and I had a 280 pound passenger, and I still walked him. The VR-4 guy was only able to pull a 14.4 at 99.6, he was standing around saying that he was in the 12's and had around 380AWHP too. The stealth from a dig had bolt ons, suspension stuff, a clutch, and a tune and I still walked him off the line. Of course these are all stock turbo cars, but the VR-4 was at 16psi and the stealth was at 15psi, the stealth that said he pulled 12.8's was at 20-21psi. I think it's all in the driver.

Have I ever raced an evo, no. I have never been able to run one. The 4G63 can be a beast, but they still have there flaws. Remember a mostly stock LS1 isn't really that much of a badass from a dig. Since an evo had awd and a turbo i'd say put some M/T et streets on a stock LS1 M6 with a good driver and it would beat it. Alot of mostly stock LS1 guys see 2.1-2.3 60'foot times.

i figured he was using alot of boost. yeah theyre badass with ALOT of boost.

I hope your not saying 22 psi is ALOT of boost. I havent been keeping up on them since I sold my Evo 8, but they spike to 21psi STOCK. Most reflashes or tunes will alow it to hold 21 psi to redline, so IMO thats not high boost. High boost would be 25+psi

I never lost to a Z28 or SS when I had my Evo, granted its like like a ran a ton of them, but still that was my experience. Evo IX's are a whole different beast. Our friends IX with reflash and turboback is freakin fast for those 2 mods. Put it this way my friend with a 96 GT with an 03 mach motor pulls on LS1's pretty easily, and the IX put a hurtin on him. I have vid if anyone wants to see. I always see guys talking about oh they cost $25-30K how much did a nicely loaded Z28/SS cost when new and consider it cost that 8-10 years ago??

why are you comparing an evo to a vr4? they are nothing at all the same, hell its not even a dsm. a much better comparison would be a dsm. everyone knows how well they respond to mods and how cheap they are, really theyre the foxbody of imports.

Well I've owned a WRX and been in many STI's stock they don't handle that well. I don't know about EVO's and I'm sure they have more potential. But stock to stock they're a whole lot closer than your thinking. Subaru's understeer something horrible. My ws-6 handles better than the subaru did. If I'm wrong then I'll apologize to avoid argument. But this has been my personal experience and I imagined the EVO and STI would be about the same.

Whoa, :confused: if you want we can head over to the gap and test out which car handles better, I guarantee you wont be close. My B-bird with lowered Eibach suspension barely pulled a high .8 g my STi pulled over a 1.

The EVo's and STi's on paved road courses are within a couple 10th's of a second of each other and I can't remember the last time Mitsu. won a rally series.

Come on man a stock STI doesn't pull over a g. If you have suspension work or different tires then that's different and kinda strays from what I was saying.

Come on man a stock STI doesn't pull over a g. If you have suspension work or different tires then that's different and kinda strays from what I was saying.

On an accelerometer on a road course they will but on a skidpad they will not. A skidpad is a bit decieving because it is steady acceleration around a constant circle. On a road course where it is at most a half circle and acceleration is varied they numbers will easily exceed 1g in a lot of sports cars. Just where it is measured. A skidpad is actually not a very good judge of how a car will perform on a roadcourse. BMW's are a really good example of it. The do shitty on a skidpad but will post some good times around a road course against cars with higher skidpad numbers. Vette's also easily exceed 1g on a road course, they struggle to do it on a skidpad.

Buddy at work has a IX.

Bigger intercooler,intercooler piping,turbo back exhaust,cai,magnus sheetmetal intake and billet tb,cams,and a tune...

He ran 12.7 with a bad clutch and 25psi. That was just an cai,turbo back and a tune.

Wonder what he'll do now with a good clutch and the other mods?

On an accelerometer on a road course they will but on a skidpad they will not. A skidpad is a bit decieving because it is steady acceleration around a constant circle. On a road course where it is at most a half circle and acceleration is varied they numbers will easily exceed 1g in a lot of sports cars. Just where it is measured. A skidpad is actually not a very good judge of how a car will perform on a roadcourse. BMW's are a really good example of it. The do shitty on a skidpad but will post some good times around a road course against cars with higher skidpad numbers. Vette's also easily exceed 1g on a road course, they struggle to do it on a skidpad.

So what are you getting at? That it will spike to over 1g on a road coarse. It sounds to me like your talking about how nimble they are instead of peak skidpad #'s. That's actually a really good point. I'm sure they are more nimble than an f-body. But to the earlier comment that a F-body with 6-7k in suspension work couldn't run with a stock Evo. That's BS. Like I said and I still stand by it that they are not that far apart. The f-body's weakness is the sway bars. They need to be stiffened up, but they are not quite the big heavy, uncapable pigs that everybody is making them out to be.

So what are you getting at? That it will spike to over 1g on a road coarse. It sounds to me like your talking about how nimble they are instead of peak skidpad #'s. That's actually a really good point. I'm sure they are more nimble than an f-body. But to the earlier comment that a F-body couldn't run with a stock Evo with 6-7k in suspension work. That's BS. Like I said and I still stand by it that they are not that far apart. The f-body's weakness is the sway bars. They need to be stiffened up, but they are not quite the big heavy, uncapable pigs that everybody is making them out to be.

I own a F-Body and I was the one that said I'd like to get on a track with an Evo so I am in no way discounting the F-Body. I am merely stating the facts about handling and how it is measured. A skidpad is a great tool but it does not accurately tell what a given car will do on a roadcourse. Just like a dyno will not tell how a car will do on the strip. I have seen a lot of cars post some spectacular numbers on a skidpad and get smoked by a car with less than stellar numbers on the skidpad when placed on a roadcourse. Nimbleness as you stated will usually determine who will win on a roadcourse. Unless the roadcourse has a lot of straights. Just a counterpoint an Evo had the fastest time around the Nurburgring for quite a while. They didn't post the best skidpad and they didn't have the most power. Just a well designed little car. It was a few years ago but they did it. I would love to put my F- Body againest an Evo on a roadcourse but I enter into it expecting to get beat unless the course has several long straights. The 6K statement may be a stretch but it would take a lot of work and effort to make them more even.

Buddy at work has a IX.

Bigger intercooler,intercooler piping,turbo back exhaust,cai,magnus sheetmetal intake and billet tb,cams,and a tune...

He ran 12.7 with a bad clutch and 25psi. That was just an cai,turbo back and a tune.

Wonder what he'll do now with a good clutch and the other mods?

With those mods its an easy 11 sec car. As mentioned my buddy ran 12.4 with a TBE and tune at 22 psi. He just ordered cams, fuel pump and injectors so we'll see what he can get out of it now.

Whoa, :confused: if you want we can head over to the gap and test out which car handles better, I guarantee you wont be close. My B-bird with lowered Eibach suspension barely pulled a high .8 g my STi pulled over a 1.

That would be your problem...
Put some proper suspension on the car (strano package) and you would see over 1Gs in the corners.

Come on man a stock STI doesn't pull over a g. If you have suspension work or different tires then that's different and kinda strays from what I was saying.

Yes it did, some of the curves thru the Dragon are banked and on my g-meter my STi pulled a 1.1. Best my WS6 pulled was .89 on the same road with the same meter. On both cars I had the Eagle F1 Gs-d3's, STi is stock suspension the Blackbird was on lowered Eibachs. I'm not saying WS6's don't handle but you are comparing a WRX to an STi and there is a difference (about 10k diff.) stock for stock the STi is going to be way ahead of the WS6 in a road race.

Look at the Nurburgring road course times for these cars that pretty much sums it up. The Mitsu. and Sub. are laying down track times with Z06's and exotics.


That would be your problem...
Put some proper suspension on the car (strano package) and you would see over 1Gs in the corners.

LOL I think it's your problem with understanding what's been said, if I drive both vehicles then it is a fair comparison. Besides we are talking stock suspension which the B-bird is not really stock suspended. I know if you put a good suspension package in the car it will do better.

That's BS. Like I said and I still stand by it that they are not that far apart. The f-body's weakness is the sway bars. They need to be stiffened up, but they are not quite the big heavy, uncapable pigs that everybody is making them out to be.

This is WAY WAY off. Shocks are the fbodies weakest line by FAR. The stock DeCarbons are just plain awful. (my konis made a bigger difference than both swaybars combined).
It would take less than $2K in suspension work for an Fbody to beat an STi or EVO. $6-7K...hah, you wouldn't be able to see the fbodies tail lights any more...

stock for stock the STi is going to be way ahead of the WS6 in a road race.
There is no arguing here, stock for stock the STi definetly handles better.

Look at the Nurburgring road course times for these cars that pretty much sums it up. The Mitsu. and Sub. are laying down track times with Z06's and exotics.
On small tracks yes, but not on the n-ring they arn't...


LOL I think it's your problem with understanding what's been said, if I drive both vehicles then it is a fair comparison. Besides we are talking stock suspension which the B-bird is not really stock suspended. I know if you put a good suspension package in the car it will do better.
Im just saying crappy springs + stock shocks = bad, floaty handling...

There is no arguing here, stock for stock the STi definetly handles better.

On small tracks yes, but not on the n-ring they arn't...


Im just saying crappy springs + stock shocks = bad, floaty handling...

Here are some Nurburgring track times looks like they are in with the exotics to me and for good measure look at the bottom time: a 1000cc sportbike


8:05 --- 152.91 km/h -- Ferrari 575M Maranello F1, 580 PS/1820 kg (sport auto 12/02)
8:05 --- 152.91 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM settino “Standard”, Walter Roehrl (WHEELS 06/04)
8:05 --- 152.91 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, 355PS/1461kg (sport auto 05/05),
8:05 --- 152.91 km/h -- Ruf CTR www.lad.lv/~martini/porsche/Videos/RUF-CTR_Nurburgring1.wmv
8:06 --- 152.59 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (sport auto 04/02)
8:06.01 152.59 km/h -- Subaru WRX Sti C-spec (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:06.2 - 152.59 km/h -- Caterham Superlight R www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/228511/
8:07 --- 152.28 km/h -- Ferrari 550 Maranello, 485 PS/1724 kg (sport auto 06/98)
8:07.76 152.04 km/h -- BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg, Prinz Luitpold von Bayern (AutoBild 02/06)
8:08.62 151.77 km/h -- HGP Golf R32 Turbo Stufe 3, 495 PS/1660 kg, www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen/artikel.php?artikel_id=14071
8:08.73 151.88 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ua_wcOnPkxk
8:09 --- 151.66 km/h – Audi RS4, 420 PS/1728 kg (sport auto 06/06)
8:09 --- 151.66 km/h -- BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg (sport auto 12/05)
8:09 --- 151.66 km/h -- Honda NSX-R, 320 PS/1467 kg (sport auto 08/02)
8:09 --- 151.66 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Modena , 400 PS/1464 kg (sport auto 10/99)
8:09 --- 151.66 km/h -- Lamborghini Diablo SV, 520 PS/1590 kg (sport auto 12/97)
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h -- Aston Martin V8 Vantage (Top Gear 02/05)
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h -- Chrysler Viper GTS, 411 PS/1567 kg (sport auto 10/97)
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 180R, 210 PS/650 kg (sport auto 03/01)
8:10.75 151.27 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi Version III sedan (1996), www.subaru.com.hk/pdf/SNW0404.pdf
8:11 --- 151,27 km/h -- Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX (Best Motoring video 14)
8:11* -- 151,27 km/h -- Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1340 kg, test driver Walter Roehrl (*mfr.) (sport auto 07/05)
8:11.1 - 151,274 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo Sypder E-gear (AutoBild sportscars 11/07)
8:12 --- 150.73 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG, 476 PS/1651 kg (sport auto 04/02)
8:12 --- 150.73 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo (sport auto 03/97)
8:12 --- 150.73 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo works tuning (sport auto 06/97)
8:12.62 - 150.61 km/h -- Honda CBR 1000 RR Fireblade, 172 PS/205 kg, Helmmut Dähne, previous record holder

You get banned for losing. JK

Here are some Nurburgring track times looks like they are in with the exotics to me and for good measure look at the bottom time: a 1000cc sportbike


8:05 --- 152.91 km/h -- Ferrari 575M Maranello F1, 580 PS/1820 kg (sport auto 12/02)
8:05 --- 152.91 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM settino “Standard”, Walter Roehrl (WHEELS 06/04)
8:05 --- 152.91 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, 355PS/1461kg (sport auto 05/05),
8:05 --- 152.91 km/h -- Ruf CTR www.lad.lv/~martini/porsche/Videos/RUF-CTR_Nurburgring1.wmv
8:06 --- 152.59 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (sport auto 04/02)
8:06.01 152.59 km/h -- Subaru WRX Sti C-spec (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:06.2 - 152.59 km/h -- Caterham Superlight R www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/228511/
8:07 --- 152.28 km/h -- Ferrari 550 Maranello, 485 PS/1724 kg (sport auto 06/98)
8:07.76 152.04 km/h -- BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg, Prinz Luitpold von Bayern (AutoBild 02/06)
8:08.62 151.77 km/h -- HGP Golf R32 Turbo Stufe 3, 495 PS/1660 kg, www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen/artikel.php?artikel_id=14071
8:08.73 151.88 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ua_wcOnPkxk
8:09 --- 151.66 km/h – Audi RS4, 420 PS/1728 kg (sport auto 06/06)
8:09 --- 151.66 km/h -- BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg (sport auto 12/05)
8:09 --- 151.66 km/h -- Honda NSX-R, 320 PS/1467 kg (sport auto 08/02)
8:09 --- 151.66 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Modena , 400 PS/1464 kg (sport auto 10/99)
8:09 --- 151.66 km/h -- Lamborghini Diablo SV, 520 PS/1590 kg (sport auto 12/97)
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h -- Aston Martin V8 Vantage (Top Gear 02/05)
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h -- Chrysler Viper GTS, 411 PS/1567 kg (sport auto 10/97)
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 180R, 210 PS/650 kg (sport auto 03/01)
8:10.75 151.27 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi Version III sedan (1996), www.subaru.com.hk/pdf/SNW0404.pdf
8:11 --- 151,27 km/h -- Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX (Best Motoring video 14)
8:11* -- 151,27 km/h -- Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1340 kg, test driver Walter Roehrl (*mfr.) (sport auto 07/05)
8:11.1 - 151,274 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo Sypder E-gear (AutoBild sportscars 11/07)
8:12 --- 150.73 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG, 476 PS/1651 kg (sport auto 04/02)
8:12 --- 150.73 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo (sport auto 03/97)
8:12 --- 150.73 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo works tuning (sport auto 06/97)
8:12.62 - 150.61 km/h -- Honda CBR 1000 RR Fireblade, 172 PS/205 kg, Helmmut Dähne, previous record holder


Whoops (and this is the C5 Z06...)
7:56* - 155.80 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z06 ,company chief engineer Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:56.50 155.60 km/h -- Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582 PS/1678kg, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 02/06)
7:56.65 155.57 km/h – Lamborghini Gallardo SE, 520 PS/1560 kg, Tom Kristensen (AutoBild 02/06)
7:56.73* 155.57 km/h Honda NSX-R (*Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion", lap not complete)
7:57 --- 155.48 km/h -- AC Schnitzer Tension, 552 PS/1797 kg (sport auto 04/07), www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=1&fID=1&tID=123445
7:57 --- 155.47 km/h -- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600 PS/1558 kg (sport auto 05/98)
7:58 --- 156.66 km/h -- Audi RS4 4.2 V8 FSI, 420 PS/ 1650 kg, Frank Stippler, (10/05) www.8200rpm.com/forum/read.php?f=10&i=16841&t=16841\
7:59 --- 154.82 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
7:59* -- 154.82 km/h -- Chevrolet C6 Z51, company test driver Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:59* -- 154.82 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R (*free of the speed limiter standard on UK versions, so it was discounted)

[QUOTE=JD_AMG;8813166]Whoops (and this is the C5 Z06...)
7:56* - 155.80 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z06 ,company chief engineer Dave Hill (*mfr.)




:D :headbang: :drive:

Whoops (and this is the C5 Z06...)
7:56* - 155.80 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z06 ,company chief engineer Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:56.50 155.60 km/h -- Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582 PS/1678kg, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 02/06)
7:56.65 155.57 km/h – Lamborghini Gallardo SE, 520 PS/1560 kg, Tom Kristensen (AutoBild 02/06)
7:56.73* 155.57 km/h Honda NSX-R (*Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion", lap not complete)
7:57 --- 155.48 km/h -- AC Schnitzer Tension, 552 PS/1797 kg (sport auto 04/07), www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=1&fID=1&tID=123445
7:57 --- 155.47 km/h -- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600 PS/1558 kg (sport auto 05/98)
7:58 --- 156.66 km/h -- Audi RS4 4.2 V8 FSI, 420 PS/ 1650 kg, Frank Stippler, (10/05) www.8200rpm.com/forum/read.php?f=10&i=16841&t=16841\
7:59 --- 154.82 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
7:59* -- 154.82 km/h -- Chevrolet C6 Z51, company test driver Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:59* -- 154.82 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R (*free of the speed limiter standard on UK versions, so it was discounted)


Well the Z06 is def. gonna rape the STi no doubt, but if you look at the times the closest STi is within 10secs of the Z06 and for high 7 low 8 min track times: 10 sec is very close especially for that track where the Z06's power to weight ratio really works in its favor.

The STI c-spec is the japanese version and the other was back in 96 a japanese car too no doubt. Not saying the U.S. spec is slower just that its not what you posted, so maybe it is and maybe its not. That's still faster than what I thought it would be. Maybe they just don't feel like they handle well. Hell who knows. I don't really care to be honest about it. I wasn't planning on joining a road racing series next year or anything.

Well I've owned a WRX and been in many STI's stock they don't handle that well. I don't know about EVO's and I'm sure they have more potential. But stock to stock they're a whole lot closer than your thinking. Subaru's understeer something horrible. My ws-6 handles better than the subaru did. If I'm wrong then I'll apologize to avoid argument. But this has been my personal experience and I imagined the EVO and STI would be about the same.

Not trying to give you a hard time, but to say that these cars don't handle well and your stock suspended WS6 handles better is way off base.

This post is gay, to the guy who lost to the EVO all i can say is you win some you lose some. Losing should just give you more motivation to mod your car. How bout you put a 100shot on your camaro and go hunt that evo down?

Not trying to give you a hard time, but to say that these cars don't handle well and your stock suspended WS6 handles better is way off base.

Well driving one then driving the other is not like going from a sports car to a mini van. The WS-6 feels like it handles better. If it doesn't oh well. I don't have some accelerometer read out or no shit like that. I also said I thought my subaru was faster straight line and that isn't the case either. How a car feels can be decieving. But like I said I don't really care either way. It makes no difference to me.

Im just amazed at the fact that the Z is on crap tires in stock formand sill performs. Put some RT 615s or something on there :)

Im just amazed at the fact that the Z is on crap tires in stock formand sill performs. Put some RT 615s or something on there :)

I had some RT-615s on my Mustang for a while, and what made me get them was the Azenis Sports that I had on my Integra years ago (RT-615 predecessor)... all I can say is Falken= :drool:

Im just amazed at the fact that the Z is on crap tires in stock formand sill performs. Put some RT 615s or something on there :)

very good point. i hope the new zr1 has some better tires then the c6z

ya dude, if i didnt love ls1's so much i'd have me an evo, but ya they are bad ass. i raced a stock one at the track. i beat him but it was a total wholeshot victory, because as soon as we passed the finishline, he blew past me

very good point. i hope the new zr1 has some better tires then the c6z


IIRC it does not. Same basic run flats :(. I guess if they do OK on a 3500LB 550 HP GT then they figure they can work on a lower weight higher power ZR1. Which I completely disagree with BTW.

Porsche gives you a bottle of tire repair foam and a jack in some models. Almost criminal. Hard to fit a spare anywhere with the engine in back and cooling up front. Yet still they refuse to go with lame arsed run-flats. And thus they get some bragging rights at the ring etc. Considering their profit margins compared to just about everyone, I think GM should do the same. These are amazing cars being held back by their rubber. Just imagine what a stock Z could have pulled with some real tires in Rangers hands. Does anyone care if the ZR1 does not have a real spare or runflats? I doubt it. I'l bet they want world beating rubber on there though.:D

who cares about stock tires. they get replaced anyway, and for a car in that price range the owners will be able to afford the tire they want anyway.

who cares about stock tires. they get replaced anyway, and for a car in that price range the owners will be able to afford the tire they want anyway.

1)The cars would be allowed to show their true potential on the ring in stock form. As soon as you dont run stock rubber your not on that list.

2)Sure you can get any tire you want....and also have no factory provided provisions if you get a flat since they rely on run flats.

:D i know, i love it :) i have the ricer mentality :angel: if only i had a clue what i was doing...

You have zero posts and you're only here to troll about your evo. Go the hell away.

Your car is nothing more than a riced up Lancer with a turbo, get off your high horse.

Every Evo driver I've ever seen has been a ricer. You have to be a riceboy to pay $35,000 dollars for a car that sound like a Honda Civic.

As for the thread starter, you need the driver mod sir. With his mods, you're got at least a 50WHP advantage over him, you should have walked his ricer ass hard. Not to mention stock evos don't have anything in the form of top end power, over about 80MPH you might as well get out and push.

1)The cars would be allowed to show their true potential on the ring in stock form. As soon as you dont run stock rubber your not on that list.

2)Sure you can get any tire you want....and also have no factory provided provisions if you get a flat since they rely on run flats.

ooooooooooo so it could be on some stupid list. a lot of people remove their "factory provisions" anyway.

You have zero posts and you're only here to troll about your evo. Go the hell away.

Your car is nothing more than a riced up Lancer with a turbo, get off your high horse.

Every Evo driver I've ever seen has been a ricer. You have to be a riceboy to pay $35,000 dollars for a car that sound like a Honda Civic.

As for the thread starter, you need the driver mod sir. With his mods, you're got at least a 50WHP advantage over him, you should have walked his ricer ass hard. Not to mention stock evos don't have anything in the form of top end power, over about 80MPH you might as well get out and push.

the mullet is strong in this one

the mullet is strong in this one

Stupid comments like yours always crack me up. Why does someone have a "mullet" because they don't like some riced up asian family sedan?? I mean the car is ugly, sounds like shit, and its got a rubber band torque curve. What is there to like?? Nothing, especially not for $35,000. If I wanted an economy car, I'd buy a Cobalt for $14K.

Your name is 88 black GT...if anyone has a mullet here, its you.

ooooooooooo so it could be on some stupid list. a lot of people remove their "factory provisions" anyway.

And a lot of people will then also end up on the side of the road waiting for AAA too. Which is bullshit in a car that costs 70K. Its about the only thing I dont like about the Z06 really.

If I pay 70K I would like tires that actually do justice to the chassis and if that means having a spare mounted somewhere or even having to use a can of repair foam to get to the next town then so be it. The thing has carbon fiber parts, a magnesium engine cradle, and a dry sump oiling system for a reason and its not economy or price. It handling and track ability. Overly stiff sidewalls that mess with suspension calibration when they do it at the factory and hurt traction on the strip suck. These cars would be even faster around a track and even at the strip if they cam with some nice summer only tires, and the replacements would probably be cheaper too. For one thing they could run different spring rates and valving in the suspension. For another then thing would have more grip in the absolute sense.

Is there something wrong with running a superior part that costs less and takes advantage of a top-notch chassis?

And a lot of people will then also end up on the side of the road waiting for AAA too. Which is bullshit in a car that costs 70K. Its about the only thing I dont like about the Z06 really.

If I pay 70K I would like tires that actually do justice to the chassis and if that means having a spare mounted somewhere or even having to use a can of repair foam to get to the next town then so be it. The thing has carbon fiber parts, a magnesium engine cradle, and a dry sump oiling system for a reason and its not economy or price. It handling and track ability. Overly stiff sidewalls that mess with suspension calibration when they do it at the factory and hurt traction on the strip suck. These cars would be even faster around a track and even at the strip if they cam with some nice summer only tires, and the replacements would probably be cheaper too. For one thing they could run different spring rates and valving in the suspension. For another then thing would have more grip in the absolute sense.

Is there something wrong with running a superior part that costs less and takes advantage of a top-notch chassis?

You know how that goes though. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. People will complain either way, and sadly, you'll probably find more people who will complain about having to change a flat tire than people complaining about the tire's subpar performance.

And a lot of people will then also end up on the side of the road waiting for AAA too. Which is bullshit in a car that costs 70K. Its about the only thing I dont like about the Z06 really.

If I pay 70K I would like tires that actually do justice to the chassis and if that means having a spare mounted somewhere or even having to use a can of repair foam to get to the next town then so be it. The thing has carbon fiber parts, a magnesium engine cradle, and a dry sump oiling system for a reason and its not economy or price. It handling and track ability. Overly stiff sidewalls that mess with suspension calibration when they do it at the factory and hurt traction on the strip suck. These cars would be even faster around a track and even at the strip if they cam with some nice summer only tires, and the replacements would probably be cheaper too. For one thing they could run different spring rates and valving in the suspension. For another then thing would have more grip in the absolute sense.

Is there something wrong with running a superior part that costs less and takes advantage of a top-notch chassis?

i dono maybe its because i own a fox, but stock doesnt mean shit to me. we're all car enthusiasts who modify our cars the way we want them to be. i'd rather have a car w/ worlds of potential than something thats maxed out from the factory.

in the end, the people who dont take it to the track will like the tires for cruising. the people who do take it to the track will replace the tires anyway. so really a nice all season tire is the best of both worlds.

Stupid comments like yours always crack me up. Why does someone have a "mullet" because they don't like some riced up asian family sedan?? I mean the car is ugly, sounds like shit, and its got a rubber band torque curve. What is there to like?? Nothing, especially not for $35,000. If I wanted an economy car, I'd buy a Cobalt for $14K.

Your name is 88 black GT...if anyone has a mullet here, its you.

i dono how you can call anyone stupid. you are one of the most ignorant motherfuckers on here. haha its a mustang its for little girls not for rednecks, thats your area.

I see the rocket scientists are out in full force here. I am glad there is so much good information being shared among car enthusiasts. Good job!!

Not to be funny but I have yet to see a stock EVO or STI go in the 12's. The ones I've seen go High 13's around 101 or 102mph and the STI's are slightly slower. Maybe out of the 10 to 15 Ive seen run just could not drive but I've personally never seen it. Matter of fact I Pet the Gas on one on the highway, he just could not hang with me. Maybe he had a lemon thoa who knows. This is from my personal experience. Would I try to race one around a curve thoa no, because I know I would lose. They are built to be rally cars not straight line cars.

Not to be funny but I have yet to see a stock EVO or STI go in the 12's. The ones I've seen go High 13's around 101 or 102mph and the STI's are slightly slower. Maybe out of the 10 to 15 Ive seen run just could not drive but I've personally never seen it. Matter of fact I Pet the Gas on one on the highway, he just could not hang with me. Maybe he had a lemon thoa who knows. This is from my personal experience. Would I try to race one around a curve thoa no, because I know I would lose. They are built to be rally cars not straight line cars.

Thats because very few drivers can do it, and its in optimal conditions. Elevation plays a big part.
I raced an Evo IX driven by a guy who had never once lanuched it or any other car at the strip and he pulled a 13.9. Thats at Firebird in PHX, which IMO is a fairly slow track. We are only at 1700 feet and at night conditions tend to be OK, yet a basic 05 or so GT generally puls a low 14 here. I know they are faster than that.
Evos are realisticly a 13.x second car stock much like about any 25K-40K performance car this millenium. Go to ATCO and you might see one pull a 12. Go to Bandimere and you will likely see a 14. Very similar to a stock LS1 actually, with a close but usually lower trap and a quicker 60.

Thats because very few drivers can do it, and its in optimal conditions. Elevation plays a big part.
I raced an Evo IX driven by a guy who had never once lanuched it or any other car at the strip and he pulled a 13.9. Thats at Firebird in PHX, which IMO is a fairly slow track. We are only at 1700 feet and at night conditions tend to be OK, yet a basic 05 or so GT generally puls a low 14 here. I know they are faster than that.
Evos are realisticly a 13.x second car stock much like about any 25K-40K performance car this millenium. Go to ATCO and you might see one pull a 12. Go to Bandimere and you will likely see a 14. Very similar to a stock LS1 actually, with a close but usually lower trap and a quicker 60.

I wouldn't say the traps are close at all. Thats where the 70WHP stock for stock difference comes in. Most Evos and STI's trap 100-102MPH, most M6 LS1's are 105-107MPH. They do have the quicker 60' though, if you launch them hard.

Go to ATCO and you might see one pull a 12.

I can certainly believe a high 12 out of a well driven, bone stock Evo 8/9 at Atco/M.I.R. in optimal conditions/DA. :D