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Old 03-12-2008, 04:13 PM
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Ive just installed a CC503 with apropriate roller rockers and 918 springs, had a mild head job done, installed long tube headers, and got a PCMforless tune. It runs good but sounds like its breathing through a straw and its going to suck my airfilter flat. How much would i gain from swaping to the 58mm TB? Also what injector would go best with my setup? both are currently stock. plaining on getting a procharger.
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A friend of mine went to a 58 and he lost low end because of it sucking in too much air. Go with a 52 until you get the procharger. The hp gain would be next to nothing if you did do it. Injector you would be fine going with a 30# injector

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"A friend of mine went to a 58 and he lost low end because of it sucking in too much air."

Sounds almost like supercharging by getting in too much air. One would think that would help if tuned properly.
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thought stock was 48mm
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stock tb is 48mm....that guy is a retard...i've never heard of someone losing horsepower from getting more air in their motor...obviously this dude is a tool
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I meant to put 48. I didn't see in his description he had his intake ported that's why I rec the 52

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it's all in the tune fellas....
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Its not the amount of air going in, its the velocity. When the TB is too large, velocity drops, so low rpm torque drops accordingly.

My opinion would be to do a port job yourself. Port match the TB to your current intake. See what you think. If you still don't think its enough, get a 52mm TB and then port match it again.

I would also advise looking at your air intake setup, it too can cause issues with not enough air flow/velocity.
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Since your planning on running a ProCharger your gonna need to run something around a 42lb Injector. I'd just wait till that time to install them.
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Originally Posted by jasonp31
Its not the amount of air going in, its the velocity. When the TB is too large, velocity drops, so low rpm torque drops accordingly.

My opinion would be to do a port job yourself. Port match the TB to your current intake. See what you think. If you still don't think its enough, get a 52mm TB and then port match it again.

I would also advise looking at your air intake setup, it too can cause issues with not enough air flow/velocity.


You can't lose power by putting too big of a tb on, velocity at the tb are has nothing to do with lowend torque.
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Yep, a lot of wild statements in this thread.
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also, he wouldn't really need tuning as much (except maybe to set the idle) since he has a 6 speed, you really only need tuning for the 58 on autos since the shifts will be off.
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Originally Posted by infinitebird
also, he wouldn't really need tuning as much (except maybe to set the idle) since he has a 6 speed, you really only need tuning for the 58 on autos since the shifts will be off.
Except 93s since they're not electronic
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oh yeah that's true, didn't notice the year
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So, would i benefit from installing the 58mmTB now. Im going to drive the car a couple months before i install the procharger.
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might as well
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Funny how every TB thread on this forum contradicts itself. One post will say 58 is overkill, another will say its fine. I think about ten people on this board really know what the hell they are talking about and the rest are following, just agreeing.
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Originally Posted by StealthFormula
Since your planning on running a ProCharger your gonna need to run something around a 42lb Injector. I'd just wait till that time to install them.
I agree I would wait and do it all at once.
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Originally Posted by speed_demon24


You can't lose power by putting too big of a tb on, velocity at the tb are has nothing to do with lowend torque.
I bet you $1,000,000.00 you are incorrect. With no other changes and a larger t-body, you CAN loose low end power. Got a 70mm on my car off of a 5.4 and lost a little low end. Gained in the mid and upper, but you can definately tell you have less low end power...NO OTHER CHANGES.

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Originally Posted by jasonp31
Funny how every TB thread on this forum contradicts itself. One post will say 58 is overkill, another will say its fine. I think about ten people on this board really know what the hell they are talking about and the rest are following, just agreeing.
It is overkill, but that doesn't mean it's not fine to use. Putting a BBC in a S-10 is overkill, well you get my point


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