MSD 6010 users
03-27-2008, 06:45 AM
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MSD 6010 users now that i have mine running, i forget what chip i put in, but i wanted to start getting info on how to program it-i dont see where you can plug into it with the cord supplyed-i installed the mini disc in my computer to see if it would show something, but so many selections and nothing showed a 6010
now i know i am computer stupid (the reason to run carb'ed in the first place)
but there must be some insts. for dummies somewhere, like where do you plug in the laptop to the box-all i saw was the slot for the chip, and some other area that looked like it was blocked off, but nothing that this cord would fit-thanks
now i know i am computer stupid (the reason to run carb'ed in the first place)
but there must be some insts. for dummies somewhere, like where do you plug in the laptop to the box-all i saw was the slot for the chip, and some other area that looked like it was blocked off, but nothing that this cord would fit-thanks
03-27-2008, 07:08 AM
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there is a plastic plug on the end of the msd box you prise out, that opens up the serial port. plug the supplied lead into it and into the serial port on your computer/laptop
open up the software turn on the ignition to the vehicle, it should show the connected product is a msd 6010 unit, otherwise its not talking to it and will say not connected.
once its hooked up you can adjust any settings in the map for rpm/ignition points, rev limit etc. save them to the pc at first, then "transfer" them to the msd unit. it will ask you if you wish to transfer the user data or all data, i just used "user data".
once its sent the file across the msd box has the same info as the pc.
any changes made should be saved to both the pc and then the msd box. make sure you save a copy of each map with a different file no, so you can go back to a previous copy if need be if you made an error.
i can email you a copy of my map if you like, as a starter, should at least fire it up (mine is an ls1).
regards
open up the software turn on the ignition to the vehicle, it should show the connected product is a msd 6010 unit, otherwise its not talking to it and will say not connected.
once its hooked up you can adjust any settings in the map for rpm/ignition points, rev limit etc. save them to the pc at first, then "transfer" them to the msd unit. it will ask you if you wish to transfer the user data or all data, i just used "user data".
once its sent the file across the msd box has the same info as the pc.
any changes made should be saved to both the pc and then the msd box. make sure you save a copy of each map with a different file no, so you can go back to a previous copy if need be if you made an error.
i can email you a copy of my map if you like, as a starter, should at least fire it up (mine is an ls1).
regards
03-28-2008, 05:11 AM
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i think you need to play about with the vac/map sensor settings then to retard your timing, i'm n/a so have used it just to give some advance at idle to clean up the exhaust smell and at part throttle.
03-28-2008, 04:23 PM
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as near as i can tell, the retard needs 12 volts to trigger it, and i guess you can dial in the amount of retard on the computer-if that is the case, i will use a hobbs switch to trigger the retard when i am in boost-i think i need a 2 bar? map sensor, then i will play with the advance at idle-still sorting out things, but it fires right up and sounds great with just a chip, might even leave that in while i break it in, then get serious with the laptop
03-28-2008, 07:50 PM
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as near as i can tell, the retard needs 12 volts to trigger it, and i guess you can dial in the amount of retard on the computer-if that is the case, i will use a hobbs switch to trigger the retard when i am in boost-i think i need a 2 bar? map sensor, then i will play with the advance at idle-still sorting out things, but it fires right up and sounds great with just a chip, might even leave that in while i break it in, then get serious with the laptop
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there is a plastic plug on the end of the msd box you prise out, that opens up the serial port. plug the supplied lead into it and into the serial port on your computer/laptop
open up the software turn on the ignition to the vehicle, it should show the connected product is a msd 6010 unit, otherwise its not talking to it and will say not connected.
once its hooked up you can adjust any settings in the map for rpm/ignition points, rev limit etc. save them to the pc at first, then "transfer" them to the msd unit. it will ask you if you wish to transfer the user data or all data, i just used "user data".
once its sent the file across the msd box has the same info as the pc.
any changes made should be saved to both the pc and then the msd box. make sure you save a copy of each map with a different file no, so you can go back to a previous copy if need be if you made an error.
i can email you a copy of my map if you like, as a starter, should at least fire it up (mine is an ls1).
regards
open up the software turn on the ignition to the vehicle, it should show the connected product is a msd 6010 unit, otherwise its not talking to it and will say not connected.
once its hooked up you can adjust any settings in the map for rpm/ignition points, rev limit etc. save them to the pc at first, then "transfer" them to the msd unit. it will ask you if you wish to transfer the user data or all data, i just used "user data".
once its sent the file across the msd box has the same info as the pc.
any changes made should be saved to both the pc and then the msd box. make sure you save a copy of each map with a different file no, so you can go back to a previous copy if need be if you made an error.
i can email you a copy of my map if you like, as a starter, should at least fire it up (mine is an ls1).
regards
06-11-2008, 10:49 AM
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Keep in mind with the 6010 box (unless MSD fixed it) If you program a timing curve in to the box and then at some point after that plug in a timing curve module and power up the box the timing curve module WILL OVERIDE your laptop timing curve perminately, or at least until you reprogram the box with your laptop.
I have had this happen to me on a high dollar stroker LS1 I built for a customer. It left the dyno with a max WOT timing of 24*. They engine was delivered to the customer and they monkey'd around with the box and put a module in thinking it was a rev limiter and torched the engine! When I went to diagnose the engine knocking sound I plugged my laptop in to the 6010 box and it brought up the same curve as one of the modules. Not to mention they also told me they had plugged one in thinking it was a rev limiter chip. I confirmed it by putting my old timing curve back in. then plugging a timing module in and powering up the box. Then I removed the module and plugged the laptop back in a wham! MSD timing module curve was in the box!
Keep in mind the 6010 module all have a max timing of 36* Hug differance from 24 * to 36*
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I have had this happen to me on a high dollar stroker LS1 I built for a customer. It left the dyno with a max WOT timing of 24*. They engine was delivered to the customer and they monkey'd around with the box and put a module in thinking it was a rev limiter and torched the engine! When I went to diagnose the engine knocking sound I plugged my laptop in to the 6010 box and it brought up the same curve as one of the modules. Not to mention they also told me they had plugged one in thinking it was a rev limiter chip. I confirmed it by putting my old timing curve back in. then plugging a timing module in and powering up the box. Then I removed the module and plugged the laptop back in a wham! MSD timing module curve was in the box!
Keep in mind the 6010 module all have a max timing of 36* Hug differance from 24 * to 36* Just a FYI
06-11-2008, 06:12 PM
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the chips will always override your settings if plugged in. I plugged in a chip just to fire the engine. And it gave me a good idea where to set the idle and part throttle points.
06-12-2008, 03:52 AM
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Would you mind sending a copy of your map to e_st_peter@yahoo.com.I just purchased a carb msd setup and trying to figure it out Thanks Erik
06-12-2008, 07:16 AM
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i think i have given up on the map sensor, my brain just will not accept vacume as pressure, and how to set it up, cause i would have to make a full pass and be able to watch the map gauge to see what it reads, so i could do the timing-so for now i will use the retard and trigger it from the hobbs switch
06-12-2008, 09:41 AM
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it's pretty easy, 0 is absolute vacuum (which no engine could ever reach at idle). Typical stockish engine would be around 3psi idling. another words the throttle is open only enough to allow 3psi of atmosphere in. then at WOT if there is no restrictions at the TB or air inlet you would have 14.7psi of atmosphere.
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Msd pro data upload cord Was lookin for a longer cord,i found this usb to 9-pin male 6' long.If any one else is lookin here,s the link
http://www.usbgear.com/computer_cabl...99%2C601%2C461
http://www.usbgear.com/computer_cabl...99%2C601%2C461
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Hey guys last night I started trying to tune with the laptop but I couldn't get the box and computer to talk. I just kept getting "LoopBack Test". I am using a usb serial cable from radioshack and I am running XP on the laptop. Is there a specific usb port I need to use? When bringing the tuning software up I get the option for "Com 3" and if I move the usb to a different port it will then give me other com options. I just don't know why they won't link
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I called MSD this morning and the guy I spoke with told me to call back later and speak with Pete because he knows his stuff. I guess when I get home I will call him maybe he can help. I tried uninstalling the cable and the software several times, I also tried every usb port on the computer.