Pontiac Firebird 1967-2002 Birds of a feather flock together

How Tight Are Your Wheels?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-22-2008, 06:09 PM
  #1  
TECH Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Crimsonnaire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 482
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default How Tight Are Your Wheels?

Do any of your 98+ Trans Am's have a slight play at the rear wheels? If so, is this normal, or does it mean that the bearings need to be replaced?
Old 04-22-2008, 07:28 PM
  #2  
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (2)
 
1995blacktattop's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: somewhere that doesn't get snow
Posts: 3,455
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

just a thought but i remember reading how LT1's won't accept LS1 wheels without modification of the wheels to allow for a sligtly larger calipor or something? could it be that your running larger LT1 style wheels or aftermarket wheels on your LS1 and thus the wheels are slightly too big and thats why you can move them? just a hunch but it seems logical to me based on the modifications that need done to LT1's... although the ZR1's on my car bolted right on and have been there for 3+ years w/o issue
Old 04-22-2008, 07:48 PM
  #3  
TECH Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Crimsonnaire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 482
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

My wheels are stock 17" WS6. Are post 98 WS6 wheels exactly the same as the pre 98 ones?

Are stock wheels supposed to have absolutely no play at the rear?
Old 04-22-2008, 08:12 PM
  #4  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (3)
 
1996firebirdformula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Seymour, Indiana
Posts: 883
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by 1995blacktattop
just a thought but i remember reading how LT1's won't accept LS1 wheels without modification of the wheels to allow for a sligtly larger calipor or something? could it be that your running larger LT1 style wheels or aftermarket wheels on your LS1 and thus the wheels are slightly too big and thats why you can move them? just a hunch but it seems logical to me based on the modifications that need done to LT1's... although the ZR1's on my car bolted right on and have been there for 3+ years w/o issue
I just got polished ws6 rims front fits perfect. but back hub of the rim had to be grinded a little for it to fit.
Old 04-23-2008, 12:05 AM
  #5  
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Formula350's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Decatur, TN (N-W of Athens)
Posts: 7,564
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

I was under the impression that 16" rim is a 16" rim

I just put a 99+ Rear under my 93, and the stock 16"s cleared just fine, as do the stock 5 spoke 16"s I put on.

Caliper grinding DOES need to be done for 15" rims to fit though.
You can see here where the_merv did it:
Old 04-23-2008, 12:58 AM
  #6  
Staging Lane
 
ryanmh1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Crimsonnaire
Do any of your 98+ Trans Am's have a slight play at the rear wheels? If so, is this normal, or does it mean that the bearings need to be replaced?
The latter.
Old 04-23-2008, 12:59 AM
  #7  
TECH Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Crimsonnaire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 482
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Do any of your rear wheels move slightly when you yank sideways (perpendicular to front and rear)?
Old 04-23-2008, 02:42 AM
  #8  
TECH Fanatic
 
wabmorgan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: USS Enterprise 1701
Posts: 1,799
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by 1995blacktattop
just a thought but i remember reading how LT1's won't accept LS1 wheels without modification of the wheels to allow for a sligtly larger calipor or something? could it be that your running larger LT1 style wheels or aftermarket wheels on your LS1 and thus the wheels are slightly too big and thats why you can move them? just a hunch but it seems logical to me based on the modifications that need done to LT1's... although the ZR1's on my car bolted right on and have been there for 3+ years w/o issue

The problem I think you are refering to is the rear hubs are manfactured slightly larger on the LT1s. The differance is about the thickness of a human hair. So, what you do is grind off the differance on the wheels where it goes over the hub.
Old 04-23-2008, 07:25 AM
  #9  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (6)
 
BadGTho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: I'm really a Ford Guy
Posts: 651
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Crimsonnaire
Do any of your rear wheels move slightly when you yank sideways (perpendicular to front and rear)?
you are not talking about the wheels.. you're talking about being able to pull the axleshaft in and out slightly? correct?

in order to get a proper answer, it helps to ask the proper question.

yes.. a little is normal.
Old 04-23-2008, 11:23 AM
  #10  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (8)
 
DevilDougWS6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Toms River, NJ
Posts: 585
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

probably a wheel bearing..very common and should be replaced, im going to do mine when i rebuild my rear, only want to take it apart once.
Old 04-23-2008, 12:38 PM
  #11  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (6)
 
BadGTho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: I'm really a Ford Guy
Posts: 651
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by DevilDougWS6
probably a wheel bearing..very common and should be replaced, im going to do mine when i rebuild my rear, only want to take it apart once.
dude. that movement is not a wheel bearing. the bearing centers the axle in the tube. the ability to move the axle in and out has nothing to do with the wheel bearing.

thanks.
Old 04-23-2008, 01:10 PM
  #12  
11 Second Club
iTrader: (27)
 
Z28/2002's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Your girl's back door giving her the long stroke while you're at work
Posts: 6,801
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

It's normal. If they didn't have some play then you wouldn't be able to get the C-clips out to swap gears or axles
Old 04-23-2008, 02:16 PM
  #13  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (6)
 
BadGTho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: I'm really a Ford Guy
Posts: 651
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Z28/2002
It's normal. If they didn't have some play then you wouldn't be able to get the C-clips out to swap gears or axles
exactly
Old 04-23-2008, 02:24 PM
  #14  
TECH Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Crimsonnaire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 482
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Originally Posted by BadGTho
you are not talking about the wheels.. you're talking about being able to pull the axleshaft in and out slightly? correct?

in order to get a proper answer, it helps to ask the proper question.
Yes, you're right. I should've mentioned the axle. Thank you for the clarification.

Well, that's certainly a relief. When I was at the Meineke shop, the guy said that the slight play means I should replace the bearings and that if I drive it like this for more than a week, I could risk damaging the rear end... But then, at another Meineke shop, they told me that you're supposed to have a slight play anyhow. Thanks for the confirmation, BadGTho and Z28/2002.

I was worried about this because I thought it might be causing the faint tapping sound I hear when I start to brake. I know it's not the brakes, and since the axle play doesn't have anything to do with the bearings, could the bearings themselves cause a tapping sound when braking, or would the shocks be the more likely candidate?
Old 04-23-2008, 02:58 PM
  #15  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (6)
 
BadGTho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: I'm really a Ford Guy
Posts: 651
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Crimsonnaire
Yes, you're right. I should've mentioned the axle. Thank you for the clarification.
meineke? i think that sums it up. retards.

bad rear wheel bearings make a whirring, to a dull sandy noise when they start to go.

the tapping when on the brakes could be the track bar, a cracked brake pad, a control arm... etc.

probably not a bearing.
Old 04-23-2008, 03:06 PM
  #16  
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (2)
 
1995blacktattop's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: somewhere that doesn't get snow
Posts: 3,455
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

what causes a light squealing going around a corner? my left rear sometimes makes a screach/squeal when turning... has for a year or more and doesnt happen all the time, just under a fast corner (like say 20mph or more going around a 90 degree corner)
Old 04-23-2008, 03:14 PM
  #17  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (8)
 
DevilDougWS6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Toms River, NJ
Posts: 585
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by BadGTho
dude. that movement is not a wheel bearing. the bearing centers the axle in the tube. the ability to move the axle in and out has nothing to do with the wheel bearing.

thanks.
oh i guess i missed when he said that, i thought he meant side to side up and down movement. i only skimmed all of the posts. relax, i know what a wheel bearing does.
Old 04-23-2008, 03:17 PM
  #18  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (6)
 
BadGTho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: I'm really a Ford Guy
Posts: 651
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 1995blacktattop
what causes a light squealing going around a corner? my left rear sometimes makes a screach/squeal when turning... has for a year or more and doesnt happen all the time, just under a fast corner (like say 20mph or more going around a 90 degree corner)
it could be a tire rubbing, or it could be the diff itself. do you have LSD additive in there?

it could also be worn rear pads.. though that's less likely.
Old 04-23-2008, 03:36 PM
  #19  
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Formula350's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Decatur, TN (N-W of Athens)
Posts: 7,564
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by BadGTho
it could be a tire rubbing, or it could be the diff itself. do you have LSD additive in there?
99+ rears don't need additive since they're of different design. Just for the record.
Old 04-23-2008, 04:16 PM
  #20  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (6)
 
BadGTho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: I'm really a Ford Guy
Posts: 651
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Formula350
99+ rears don't need additive since they're of different design. Just for the record.
whatever you say.

different design or not.. the diff will last longer with the proper additive.


Quick Reply: How Tight Are Your Wheels?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:25 AM.