Racer's Lounge - Cops who killed Sean Bell in nyc got aquitted.

Heard this today. This is ridiculous.

These dudes shot over 50 bullets

One cop shot 31, he even reloaded

How the fuck can u shoot 50 shots at people who are obviously not firing back?? And never presented any weapon whatsoever

How can this judge come up with such a irresponsible verdict

These cops ran down on sean bell and 2 of his friends.

Get this, the cops were undercover, and never said they were cops

So just gettin into an argument, obviously sean bell thinks he gettin rolled down on, so he tries to drive and escape, hittin the unmarked car

That's when the cops shot them 50 times

There were bullets in the back of the passenger, as he was trying to escape the car

SO what do you guys think?

I saw it. Really don't know what to say. Also saw the one about where they shot a vertran cop recently.

Sean Bell?

Sean Bell?

Been on the news, yo.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/25/sean.bell.trial/index.html

It is some sick shit. Hours before he was to be married.

Heard this today. This is ridiculous.



Get this, the cops were undercover, and never said they were cops






And you know this because you were there? :secret2:

And you know this because you were there? :secret2:

It is in the damn news story. Ok. I was bored this morning at work and just happened to read it but still.


IMO you feel it when you shoot 30 something odd HOT loads. You should be saying hey this is excessive. My wrist hurts and its loud.

"Bell, Guzman and Trent Benefield got into the car, with Bell at the wheel. The detectives drew their weapons, said Guzman and Benefield, who testified that they never heard the plain-clothes detectives identify themselves as police.

Bell was in a panic to get away from the armed men, his friends testified.

But the detectives thought Bell was trying to run down one of them, according to their lawyers, believed that their lives were in danger and started shooting."


he was trying to escape from plain clothed dudes with GUNS

"Other accounts of the incident conflict with that of the undercover officers'. According to Guzman and lawyer Michael Hardy, the detectives never identified themselves while they approached the vehicle with drawn weapons.[9] Another source also told New York Daily News that the officers failed to warn Bell before opening fire and started firing immediately upon leaving their vehicles.[15]"

I really think this wasn't given a jury trial because the cops would have been crucified and the police would be given a bad name (as usual).

Also I'd like to point out I heard reports from NY heads who said there were armored cars and police units in various NY locations BEFORE the verdict was even released. Like they were preparing for somthing....

Its their words. The cops might say they did say it....we are not the Judges. We weren't there, so we shouldn't take sides on who and what they said.

I really think this wasn't given a jury trial because the cops would have been crucified and the police would be given a bad name (as usual).

Also I'd like to point out I heard reports from NY heads who said there were armored cars and police units in various NY locations BEFORE the verdict was even released. Like they were preparing for somthing....

If you lived in NY, you would know what it means.

I know what it means guy.

It is what it is I guess.

and theres people in our country that want the government to take away our guns, yet they want to government to remain armed. :bang:

No jury trail?? So did the cops plead guilty to avoid a jury trail??

Thats what I don't understand.

My Ex was an NYPD....even though I hate that Fucking Cunt and her partner, but I still respect the NYPD. I know whats going on there. I personally heard the fucked up stories how they have to look back every second because there are a lot of Aholes out there who just don't give a damn.

No jury trail?? So did the cops plead guilty to avoid a jury trail??

I believe it was the Prosecutors decision. The Trial was originally was suppose to move to Upstate, just like the Amadulo Dialo (sp?) case. But the Prosecutors insisted it would take place in the same borough as where in happened and they didn't want to risk on having unfair amount of jurors (white, spanish, women, etc, not going into more details about it)

and theres people in our country that want the government to take away our guns, yet they want to government to remain armed. :bang:

It's a big case in the eye's of those saught for warrants in all State & Federal cases. It's been happening all around the country and people were really hopeing this panned out for future Supreme Court appeal's and overturn's. Devistating blow to people in the system. They just secured another way to rail road us.

That is a terrible situation for sure. I understand that cops shooting because they believed he was armed and reaching for a gun. I can not understand why it took 50 shots? That is excessive force in my opinion. If you shoot an individual who is threatening you and he goes down, why continue shooting? I sure as hell know he was not standing for all of those shots. Also what the hell was Al Sharpton doing there?!? This was no a racist attack, two off the officers were black. I also believe if the officers would have been white the city would have been burned down after a not guilty verdict. Sad, but some people can't see past skin color to this day. I am white, and if I get shot the color of the shooters skin would be the last thing I would hope was of importance. I don't think they should have been charged with murder because they believed he was armed. But 50 shots is uncalled for and excessive force and possibly some type of negligence charged would have been warranted.

Also, I would like to know if there was ballistics testing to see which officer shot him the most. If one of the cops hit him overwhelmingly more than the other two, a possible murder charge for him may have been warranted. Although they would have to prove one of his bullets was the actual fatal shot.

What logical reason would a man have to drive his car into them?

Because they had guns pointed and didn't identify themselves as cops

If they knew they were cops, why would he drive into them???

Even after he drove the car, the cops showered them with bullets.

While dude trying to escape, he gets shot in his back like 10 times.

Here's one story http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080425/ap_on_re_us/police_shooting

Here's from one source

"Justice Arthur Cooperman delivered the verdict in a packed Queens courtroom. The officers, complaining that pretrial publicity had unfairly painted them as cold-blooded killers, opted to have the judge decide the case rather than a jury. "

"this was an abortion of justice, not a miscarriage...This was intended, it was done on purpose, not by accident" -Al Sharpton


Shooting incident
At the time Bell was holding his bachelor party at Kalua Cabaret, a venue that was being investigated by seven undercover police detectives [11]. The owners of the club had been repeatedly accused of fostering prostitution.[12]

The New York Post reported that, according to an unnamed undercover officer, Guzman had an argument inside the club with a woman and threatened to get a gun. One of Bell's friends was heard to say "yo, get my gun" as they left the scene. Fearing a shooting was in the making, the Undercover Detective followed them to their car while alerting his Backup team that they were possibly retrieving a gun from the car, prompting the team to confront Bell and his companions before they could leave the scene. [13] The undercover officer followed the group and Bell was ordered by the officer to raise his hands after getting in his car. Instead, Bell accelerated the car and seconds later hit an unmarked police minivan.[1] A toxicology report reportedly showed that he was legally drunk at the time of the shooting. An attorney for the Bell family said in response to the report, "No matter what his blood-alcohol level was, he's a victim."[14]

Other accounts of the incident conflict with that of the undercover officers. According to Guzman and lawyer Michael Hardy, the detectives never identified themselves while they approached the vehicle with drawn weapons.[9] Another source also told New York Daily News that the officers failed to warn Bell before opening fire and started firing immediately upon leaving their vehicles.[15]

The police officer who initiated the gunfire said that he saw a fourth man in the car, who fled the scene amid the chaos, possibly with the alleged weapon that wasn't recovered. Some civilian witnesses at the scene support this claim, and pointed to Jean Nelson as the fourth man. Nelson was possibly present at the bachelor party and witnessed the shooting, but denies being in the car or possessing a gun.[16][17] According to The New York Times, a preliminary police report of the shooting contains

"... no meaningful discussion of a fourth man, a mysterious figure who some in the Police Department have suggested may have been present along with the three men who were shot. None of the witnesses whose accounts are in the report speaks of someone who may have fled — perhaps possessing a gun — and there are no indications that the police at the time were seeking anyone who may have left the scene."[18]

Critics suggest that the scenario was concocted by the police officer in order to justify the shooting.[16] Columnist Juan Gonzalez reported in the New York Daily News that, according to a law enforcement source, in the hours immediately following the incident, there was no mention of a fourth man in the police calls and no search was launched for the potentially armed man. This source thus contradicted initial reports that the police searched the neighborhood for the missing man.[19]

According to Michael Palladino, the head of the detectives union, a man who was working as a janitor in a nearby building while the incident occurred later told the detectives that he had seen a black man fleeing the scene, and that the man had fired a gun, at least once, at the police. The witness further stated that he had then heard the officers shouting "police, police." According to the police, there is no ballistic evidence indicating that any weapon, other than those of the officers', was fired at the scene. [20].

Two of the five officers involved were black, one was white, one was Middle-Eastern, and one was of biracial black and Hispanic origin (Haitian/Mexican). The first officer to fire was black.[21]

In an interview on Larry King Live, accompanying Bell's fiancée Nicole Paultre, Al Sharpton stated that according to his conversations with eye-witnesses, none of the three men who were shot mentioned a gun while leaving the club. Sharpton also felt that it would be impossible for the persons in the car to have heard the police from within the car, and that they were likely to fear that they were being carjacked. [6] Several of the witnesses received payment from Sharpton, and several groups, including the NYPD Detectives union have questioned the ethics of these payments, calling into question the witnesses' credibility, to which Sharpton has replied, "How can [the Detectives Endowment Association] support the detectives and I can't support the victims?" [22]

According to Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly, veteran officer Michael Oliver emptied two full magazines, firing 31 shots from a 9mm handgun and pausing to reload at least once.[11] Some shots hit nearby homes and a train station. Five of the seven officers investigating the club were involved in the shooting. Detective Paul Headley fired one round, Officer Michael Carey fired three, Officer Marc Cooper fired four, Officer Gescard Isnora fired eleven, and Officer Michael Oliver fired thirty one times. [23] [24][25]

An autopsy showed Bell was struck four times in the neck and torso. [26] Guzman, 31, was shot 19 times[27] and Benefield, 23, who was in the back seat, was hit three times. Both men were taken to Mary Immaculate Hospital; at the time of admission Guzman was listed in critical condition and Benefield was in stable condition. Guzman and Benefield would ultimately survive the shooting.[11] Benefield was released from the hospital on 5 December 2006,[28] while Guzman was released on 25 January 2007.[29] Surveillance cameras at the Port Authority's Jamaica AirTrain station a half block away from the shooting site recorded one of the bullets fired by the officers shattering through the station's glass window and narrowly missing a civilian and two Port Authority patrolmen who were standing on the station's elevated platform.[19][30]

"The officers, complaining that pretrial publicity had unfairly painted them as cold-blooded killers, opted to have the judge decide the case rather than a jury. "

So police officers in a case can decide if its trial by jury or not? never knew that.

I think in NY you get the choice. But thats just what I've heard. Not sure about across the country.

So what if this driver of the car knew they were officers anyways? do you really think he would of not driven away? or tried to run them over?

When some dudes in plain clothes pull guns on you, do you get worried?

So what if this driver of the car knew they were officers anyways? do you really think he would of not driven away? or tried to run them over?

still its a shady situation if they arnt known to be police. What if it happend to someone with out any record at all? I dont know if the victim had a record though. I would like police and government officials to identify themselves as such.

still its a shady situation if they arnt known to be police. What if it happend to someone with out any record at all? I dont know if the victim had a record though. I would like police and government officials to identify themselves as such.

All three of them had criminal records.

what the hell is that douchebag sharpton in on this for?

Because this was excessive force like a motherfucker. Regardless of their records or what occured. They didn't run these cops over. They ran into an unmarked car while being shot at according to eyewitnesses.

I mean think about this... 50 shots.. ONE cop shot 31 times. Guys had to RELOAD.. and unless you reload fast as hell, that takes time... so how many shots you gotta take on some dudes who aren't shooting back.. Don't you think they would see a muzzle spark or SOMTHING to say they had a gun..

This wasn't on some "Don't taze me bro" shit.. This was 50 shots fired. That doesn't seem excessive? It's just a real tough situation to analyze... It's as if they clearly wanted to make sure they were dead. Guys trying to escape the car and getting popped.. makes no sense.

Plus why wasn't it even brought up that alcohol was involved. I read the cops were drinking.

I hate cops.

The Police department is necessary, but I can't stop that most of them are dicks. Fun thought for the day, do cops live in fear of us, or do we live in fear of cops? I like to think they live in fear of us, but i will be damned if the smug bastards keep writing people tickets for 51 in a 45.

i say stonehang the cops for ignorance

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h232/1Bad-SS/ibtl.jpg

I was not there, you were not there, and you will not get all the facts of the case from the media. Just so you know, anyone can waive their right to a jury trial not just the cops in NY. This is usually done when the defense knows that they will win.

"The officers, complaining that pretrial publicity had unfairly painted them as cold-blooded killers, opted to have the judge decide the case rather than a jury. "

So police officers in a case can decide if its trial by jury or not? never knew that.
You can always chose between a bench trial and a jury trial, most people opt out for the jury trial.

I hate cops.

The Police department is necessary, but I can't stop that most of them are dicks. Fun thought for the day, do cops live in fear of us, or do we live in fear of cops? I like to think they live in fear of us, but i will be damned if the smug bastards keep writing people tickets for 51 in a 45.
If that bothers you why dont you just got 45, and there would be no problem. He can write you a ticket for 46 in a 45 is he so desires, and he would be right.

Damn there was just a yahoo article about it yesterday suggesting the Feds are gonna look into it now.... gonna try and find it.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h232/1Bad-SS/ibtl.jpg



I love it.

I was not there, you were not there, and you will not get all the facts of the case from the media. Just so you know, anyone can waive their right to a jury trial not just the cops in NY. This is usually done when the defense knows that they will win.

Don't come in and bomb the thread with oversized pictures like you have somthing to prove. Do I do that to your threads? Why would this get locked? This isnt' about racism, politics, or a dirty argument. It's a simple discussion.

And your input was unneccessary seeing as it has no additional value to what has already been said. So basically you useless in this thread.

The majority of information is coming from the trial. Yeah we weren't THERE but eyewitnesses were and people who were on the stand were, including victims. You think everybody lying?

Just another example of the justice system failing. It was way excessive force and over the top. Cops always abuse their power and more than not when they are at fault get let off the hook. I'm sick of this bullshit.

If that bothers you why dont you just got 45, and there would be no problem. He can write you a ticket for 46 in a 45 is he so desires, and he would be right.

Right, and I'm sure you got the exact speed limit all over the place. Cops can do whatever the fuck they want, it's just some places they get in trouble for it, and others they don't.

They should have better things to be doing that issuing tickets for 6 over....do you REALLY want to argue that one?

EDIT: back on topic, acquittals and such...Just because you weren't there, doesn't mean the information is grossly inaccurate...Some people I tell ya....

Right, and I'm sure you got the exact speed limit all over the place. Cops can do whatever the fuck they want, it's just some places they get in trouble for it, and others they don't.

They should have better things to be doing that issuing tickets for 6 over....do you REALLY want to argue that one?

EDIT: back on topic, acquittals and such...Just because you weren't there, doesn't mean the information is grossly inaccurate...Some people I tell ya....
you should REALLY be following speed limit, than they would not have to bother you. It's pretty simple, just admit it.

Did i say that i follow the speed limit? No, so
1. Do not try to change what i said.
2. I do not bitch when i get pulled over for something i did wrong.
3. If i get a ticket for SPEEDING, which i should NOT do, i just pay it and proceed with my day.

Should I type some more words in caps? maybe you will understand better.

Just another example of the justice system failing. It was way excessive force and over the top. Cops always abuse their power and more than not when they are at fault get let off the hook. I'm sick of this bullshit.
All cops are bad, we should fire them all, and have a free for all!

WOORAY!!! the world would be a better place!

you should REALLY be following speed limit, than they would not have to bother you. It's pretty simple, just admit it.

Did i say that i follow the speed limit? No, so
1. Do not try to change what i said.
2. I do not bitch when i get pulled over for something i did wrong.
3. If i get a ticket for SPEEDING, which i should NOT do, i just pay it and proceed with my day.

Should I type some more words in caps? maybe you will understand better.

Maybe you don't understand, friend.

Speeding is wrong, I was just trying to figure out why the hell you are stating the blatantly obvious. Can a cop write you a 46 in a 45, you bet. I'm not arguing the legality of it. I'm saying the cop is a dick for doing it in the first place because frankly, unless I'm in a school zone or in a construction zone, or any place where I could cause harm by going 6 over the speed limit (I.e. not farm road), that pig needs to find something better to do with his time.. Thus, I feel vindicated of said "bitching".
I'm not deliberately going that speed either, just happens like that.

So, if I get a ticket for SPEEDING and it's bullshit like the situation I described, I'm entitled to bitch about it and further argue my ticket.

All cops are bad, we should fire them all, and have a free for all!

WOORAY!!! the world would be a better place!
Because that's EXACTLY what he was implying. Why are you trying to pick fights?

Maybe you don't understand, friend.

Speeding is wrong, I was just trying to figure out why the hell you are stating the blatantly obvious. Can a cop write you a 46 in a 45, you bet. I'm not arguing the legality of it. I'm saying the cop is a dick for doing it in the first place because frankly, unless I'm in a school zone or in a construction zone, or any place where I could cause harm by going 6 over the speed limit (I.e. not farm road), that pig needs to find something better to do with his time.. Thus, I feel vindicated of said "bitching".
I'm not deliberately going that speed either, just happens like that.

So, if I get a ticket for SPEEDING and it's bullshit like the situation I described, I'm entitled to bitch about it and further argue my ticket.
No you are not entitled to anything besides paying the ticket or going to court and trying to knock it off to unsafe operation of a vehicle, or some other BS a prosecutor will tell you to get more money out of you because you do not want point.

The fact of the matter is you BROKE the law so pay the fine and go on with your life. It is also not up to you to decide whether or not its safe to speed at one place and not the other. So i will say once again, if you chose to speed and get caught, pay the fine and go on with your life instead of bitching, no one cares. Perhaps if people didn't speed than cops wouldn't have to waste their time on people like you, and write them tickets, which would result in you not cry about your 6mph citation.

And my last point, you said speeding is wrong, than don't do it or pay the consequences, its simple. Are you intelligent enough to understand it?

All cops are bad, we should fire them all, and have a free for all!

WOORAY!!! the world would be a better place!


Congratulations, you officialy are the dumbest motherfucker to enter this thread.

:cheers:

Because that's EXACTLY what he was implying. Why are you trying to pick fights?
where was i trying to pick a fight? He said that cops always abuse their power, and i concluded for him that they all must be bad than, and we should get rid of them because that would solve our problems. Nowhere did i say i wanted to get into an e-fight, i think you should re check you reading comprehension fluid, it must be low.

Congratulations, you officialy are the dumbest motherfucker to enter this thread.

:cheers:
let me go cry myself to sleep

Tsar, fuck outa here. Hasty generalizations and reckless posting isn't winning you any points.

Keep making dumbass assumptions that contribute nothing.

This type of problem has happened MANY MANY times. You think this is the only single case of police using excessive force? WOW. Just take a seat.

No you are not entitled to anything besides paying the ticket or going to court and trying to knock it off to unsafe operation of a vehicle, or some other BS a prosecutor will tell you to get more money out of you because you do not want point.

The fact of the matter is you BROKE the law so pay the fine and go on with your life. It is also not up to you to decide whether or not its safe to speed at one place and not the other. So i will say once again, if you chose to speed and get caught, pay the fine and go on with your life instead of bitching, no one cares. Perhaps if people didn't speed than cops wouldn't have to waste their time on people like you, and write them tickets, which would result in you not cry about your 6mph citation.

And my last point, you said speeding is wrong, than don't do it or pay the consequences, its simple. Are you intelligent enough to understand it?

To ignore your petty, personal attacks, you don't think there is a certain gray area where a little leniency should be given?

I was illustrating the difference between an officer doing his job, and an officer being a dick while doing his job. I mean jesus, if I was street racing or something, then yes, cops have all the power in the world to arrest my ass and impound my car.... but, there is a certain something about a cop sitting on a farm road in the middle of nowhere, pulling people over for 6 over.....

And, "Perhaps if people didn't speed than cops wouldn't have to waste their time on people like you"... what nebulous kind of statement was that?

Tsar, fuck outa here. Hasty generalizations and reckless posting isn't winning you any points.

Keep making dumbass assumptions that contribute nothing.

This type of problem has happened MANY MANY times. You think this is the only single case of police using excessive force? WOW. Just take a seat.
No where did i comment on this case itself, you must not know how to read. I only responded to the people that generalize that all cops are scumbags and abuse power, which is not smart to say the least.

I was illustrating the difference between an officer doing his job, and an officer being a dick while doing his job. I mean jesus, if I was street racing or something, then yes, cops have all the power in the world to arrest my ass and impound my car.... but, there is a certain something about a cop sitting on a farm road in the middle of nowhere, pulling people over for 6 over.....

Yes a cop CAN give you a break if he wants to, but that does not change the fact that you broke the law and should receive your ticket. He might let you slide by with a warning, or not pull you over at all, but that is done at his discretion, and it is purely up to him.
Fact - Braking a law = fines. If at one time or another you are given a break it is simply because he was being nice, and he let you get away.

Its pretty black and white to me, i cant understand why some people can't understand it.

No where did i comment on this case itself, you must not know how to read. I only responded to the people that generalize that all cops are scumbags and abuse power, which is not smart to say the least.

Stick to the topic. Thats the only reason I made the thread to get some input from people who FOLLOWED the story and know what happened.

Cops abuse their power all the time. I'm surprised you wouldn't agree to that.

If you have never dealt with police, then you don't have a response basically. This kind of story affects you, whether you like it or not.

1. Cops abuse their power all the time.
2. If you have never dealt with police, then you don't have a response basically. 3. This kind of story affects you, whether you like it or not.

1. No, and and if you believe that than you are ignorant.
2. I have, and they have ALWAYS showed me the level of respect i showed them.
3. This story does not affect me.

1. No, and and if you believe that than you are ignorant.
2. I have, and they have ALWAYS showed me the level of respect i showed them.
3. This story does not affect me.

Wow, I'm seeing I really need to bring some police brutality/police harassment reports and videos in this thread.

You are the ignorant one here. Do you really think he meant 100% of the time, cops are abusing their power, and preying on the general public?

Get off your high horse.

C'mon, I didn't mean ALL THE TIME literally but ALOT around the country. And it DOES affect you because it puts cops > citizens. Take that how you want but big brother doesn't want you in control obviously. Some cops this and that, fine, I'm not saying every cop is bad I'm friends with one and many have been cool with me. I'm saying the justice system basically put 3 men on a pedestal in a situation where I don't think they were in the right.

Don't come in and bomb the thread with oversized pictures like you have somthing to prove. Do I do that to your threads? Why would this get locked? This isnt' about racism, politics, or a dirty argument. It's a simple discussion.
I'm not bombing the thread. The picture was fitting for the converstation. Frankly I don't care what you do to my threads.
And your input was unneccessary seeing as it has no additional value to what has already been said. So basically you useless in this thread.

You as mister super citizen seem to be able to put in your two cents so why can't I? Frankly, my experience and training lend more to the discussion at hand than most people's. I've been in several force on force encounters as a leo. What about you?

The majority of information is coming from the trial. Yeah we weren't THERE but eyewitnesses were and people who were on the stand were, including victims. You think everybody lying?

Many of the eyewitnesses you speak of have had run ins with the justice system. I would be willing to bet that most were under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs. By victims you must mean the other persons in the car that were trying to run over the officers. I'm sure you have read the transcript from the trail, right? The main motivation for the "victims" is money. Your motivation is always the same. You just hate cops. Why? Maybe this has something to do with it,

"Damn. My lawyer and I got a misdemeanor disorderly conduct / disturbing the peace for punching someone.. And got hit some felony possession for having a nug of marijuana on me recently." *Finite1

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=909769

Yeah minor shit you fuck. Thats not major criminal activity and if you associate me to a felon, you're a moron. Sit the fuck down and apply your "training and experience" to the thread to make a point that contributes and gives insight to the thread.

So far you haven't done that. So again your opinion thus far is worthless.

Wow, name calling. The level of this "discussion" just went way up.:jest:

Wow, name calling. The level of this "discussion" just went way up.:jest:

You didn't exactly help much by making the thread personal did you?

Many of the eyewitnesses you speak of have had run ins with the justice system. I would be willing to bet that most were under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs. By victims you must mean the other persons in the car that were trying to run over the officers. I'm sure you have read the transcript from the trail, right? The main motivation for the "victims" is money. Your motivation is always the same. You just hate cops. Why? Maybe this has something to do with it


It never said they were under the influence. They were leaving a club. Find me that information if you can.. And secondly running into an unmarked police cars don't constitute KNOWING they were police or "trying to run them down". How do you figure that?

You see a bunch of men without police dress, without even identifying themselves as police pointing guns at you and you make decisions. It said they ran the car into a unmarked car. Reports from eyewitnesses basically confirmed that.

So by your logic they should pop 50 rounds at them and try to kill them. Makes no sense to me.

How do you know they didn't identify themselves? The judge must have thought they did.

Define excessive force for me.

And even if you call it attempted vehicular manslaughter, I don't believe that constitutes the use of lethal force of this magnitude. It is what it is.

Don't come in and bomb the thread with oversized pictures like you have somthing to prove. Do I do that to your threads? Why would this get locked? This isnt' about racism, politics, or a dirty argument. It's a simple discussion.

And your input was unneccessary seeing as it has no additional value to what has already been said. So basically you useless in this thread.

The majority of information is coming from the trial. Yeah we weren't THERE but eyewitnesses were and people who were on the stand were, including victims. You think everybody lying?

You didn't exactly help much by making the thread personal did you?

By quoting a post of his? He aired his laundry not me.

How do you know they didn't identify themselves? The judge must have thought they did.

Define excessive force for me.

DId you skip the entire thread and just post to start bullshit?

I swear.. telling me I need to read and you didn't read any of the first pages.

Wow.

By quoting a post of his? He aired his laundry not me.

This isn't about him, it's about a trial. Keep it that way, dirty laundry or not.

And even if you call it attempted vehicular manslaughter, I don't believe that constitutes the use of lethal force of this magnitude. It is what it is.

If someone is attempting to kill you anyone has the right to defend themselves. Both civilians and cops. There should be no argument on that point. Again, anyone feel free to define "excessive force".

Lets see... 50 shots would require multiple reloads and nowhere did they find or have a gun... So explain to me why you'd need to shoot at unarmed men 50 times? Figure that one out for me real quick.. I'm sure your training and experience can help me here.

Wow, I'm seeing I really need to bring some police brutality/police harassment reports and videos in this thread.

You are the ignorant one here. Do you really think he meant 100% of the time, cops are abusing their power, and preying on the general public?

Get off your high horse. Yes give me ALL the case where the cops have abused their power, than give me the number of cops in the United States we will see how many of them are "scum bags". FYI right now I'm studying for my final for Criminal Justice 451 course that deals with police abuse towards minorities, and I can give you PLENTY of example myself, in fact i believe I have a book several hundred pages long that goes back a few 10's of years to document all the abuse on the minorities such as cases of ScottsBoro, GreensBoro, even Emmit Till story and much much more. Does this mean that all LEO's should be called scum bags because of the few selected ones that chose to brake the law themselves, and give a bad name for their fellow workers?

Would you like me to make a statement that would generalize all the 18 year olds into ONE category?

1. C'mon, I didn't mean ALL THE TIME literally but ALOT around the country.

2. I'm not saying every cop is bad I'm friends with one and many have been cool with me. I'm saying the justice system basically put 3 men on a pedestal in a situation where I don't think they were in the right.
1. Should have said that, instead of generalizing everyone into one category.
2. If you stated the following I would not say anything to you. because I did not follow the case. And I'm NOT arguing THIS case here. And I will say that SOME cops abuse their power, but to generalize ALL of them for the actions of the few is not intelligent.

This isn't about him, it's about a trial. Keep it that way, dirty laundry or not.

Whatever, I'll use what I can find, thanks.

Information I openly admit to doesn't help your argument in any way. I've dealt with police before I ever got caught up. They use their power to do things that the average person who doesn't know the laws perfectly can't argue. Lets see, searching cars for instance without reason, they also use entrapment and manipulating communication tactics. I mean it happens a lot.

Just because leo know the law better than the average person is not a justification for saying they search cars without reason. If entrapment is a provable fact the case is thrown out, period. Manipulating communication, yes I find the holes in people's stories all the time. It is called sifting out the truth.

Yes give me ALL the case where the cops have abused their power, than give me the number of cops in the United States we will see how many of them are "scum bags". FYI right now I'm studying for my final for Criminal Justice 451 course that deals with police abuse towards minorities, and I can give you PLENTY of example myself, in fact i believe I have a book several hundred pages long that goes back a few 10's of years to document all the abuse on the minorities such as cases of ScottsBoro, GreensBoro, even Emmit Till story and much much more. Does this mean that all LEO's should be called scum bags because of the few selected ones that chose to brake the law themselves, and give a bad name for their fellow workers?

FYI Good for you, you must be proud. And yes, there must be a reason why there is a stigma around certain areas of the country in relation to cops (Boston anybody?). To clarify something for you, almost every single cop I have dealt with in the town of gilbert Arizona, has been a dick to some degree or another. Not necessarily to me, but dicks by and large. I have met one cool one, the one that followed me for three miles and didn't pull me over. Want to know what I did? Pulled out of my neighborhood and went exactly the speed limit (WHOA, didn't think that one was possible right?) to my girl's house.

Would you like me to make a statement that would generalize all the 18 year olds into ONE category?

Go for it, way to stay on topic right? To address cops giving each other bad names, I wish I could say I have met more cool cops than shitty ones.

1.They use their power to do things that the average person who doesn't know the laws perfectly can't argue.
2. Lets see, searching cars for instance without reason,
3. they also use entrapment and manipulating communication tactics.

1. If a person does not care to educate him or herself about the law, it is not the problem of the police it is the ignorance of a person.
2. Illegal, if you go to court and he can not give a probable cause it will be thrown out. Why would he risk that? So the LEO must have a probable cause to search your car, and if you know the law - it says that it is enough of a reason. This does not pertain to issues that deal with plain sight.
3. Communication tactics? are we in 5th grade here? Evidence of entrapment?

Just because leo know the law better than the average person is not a justification for saying they search cars without reason. If entrapment is a provable fact the case is thrown out, period. Manipulating communication, yes I find the holes in people's stories all the time. It is called sifting out the truth.

I can give specific examples by bringing into this from where I grew up and people I've known. In fact, I have so many examples where cops will blatantly lie to try and get facts. You're full of shit. Unless while sifting for the truth you feel its OK to lie to instigate somthing out of people. Back in IL getting pulled over for nothing is common and they search for no good reason. I guess you've never dealt with these things. Cops do whatever they want and the justice system is corrupt in many aspects. It's too bad you're bias. In fact I can use my own personal experience to show cops blatantly lying.

Lets see... 50 shots would require multiple reloads and nowhere did they find or have a gun... So explain to me why you'd need to shoot at unarmed men 50 times? Figure that one out for me real quick.. I'm sure your training and experience can help me here.


I see you still have the chip on you shoulder but I'll answer anyway. If you are encountering deadly force you respond with deadly force until the threat is gone. Unlike the movies, handgun ammo will not make cars explode or flip over. If the threat keeps coming you keep shooting. One of the officers did reload. That is instilled through training. The man was armed, with a car. The officers also articulated reasonable suspicion that there was a gun in the vehicle based on what they observed in and outside the club. (I can find that part of the story if you need it.)

Here are the judges comments concerning the witnesses/victims.

In announcing the verdict, Cooperman said he found problems with the prosecution's case. He said some prosecution witnesses contradicted themselves, and he cited prior convictions and incarcerations of witnesses.

"At times, the testimony just didn't make sense," Cooperman said, according to a transcript released by his office.

He also cited the demeanor of some witnesses on the stand.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/25/sean.bell.trial/index.html

I can give specific examples by bringing into this from where I grew up and people I've known. In fact, I have so many examples where cops will blatantly lie to try and get facts. You're full of shit. Unless while sifting for the truth you feel its OK to lie to instigate somthing out of people. Back in IL getting pulled over for nothing is common and they search for no good reason. I guess you've never dealt with these things. Cops do whatever they want and the justice system is corrupt in many aspects. It's too bad you're bias. In fact I can use my own personal experience to show cops blatantly lying.


The Supreme Court has ruled that it is justified for leo to lie while conducting an investigation.

FYI Good for you, you must be proud. And yes, there must be a reason why there is a stigma around certain areas of the country in relation to cops (Boston anybody?). To clarify something for you, almost every single cop I have dealt with in the town of gilbert Arizona, has been a dick to some degree or another. Not necessarily to me, but dicks by and large. I have met one cool one, the one that followed me for three miles and didn't pull me over. Want to know what I did? Pulled out of my neighborhood and went exactly the speed limit (WHOA, didn't think that one was possible right?) to my girl's house.



Go for it, way to stay on topic right? To address cops giving each other bad names, I wish I could say I have met more cool cops than shitty ones.

Generalization statement: All 18 year olds are idiots because they do not have enough life experience. How about them apples? is it true?

Back on topic.
You know that statistically speaking you are more likely to remember a bad experience than a good one, you are also more likely to tell your friends about it, and they will pass it on. That is where stigma comes from. Anything else you would like me to clarify for you?

P.S. I was under the impression that you were gonna provide me with all the cases of police abuse? And maybe some statistical data to show how many of them are bad, at least on average. where is it?

I'm not defending their testimony, because I read about one of the guys doing somthing to that extent of insulting examiners. I just don't see the threat. Sounds like a power trip to me. I would not be surprised if this was just a reason to kill some young black men. Take it how you want.

Actually everything I do while performing my duties is video taped with audio. I have nothing to hide. Even if I wanted to hide something I couldn't do it.

The Supreme Court has ruled that it is justified for leo to lie while conducting an investigation.

bwahahahahaha.... so I guess that makes it OK. I see now. At least you admit the truth.

The Supreme Court has ruled that it is justified for leo to lie while conducting an investigation.
yup, i do not see anything wrong with that.

bwahahahahaha.... so I guess that makes it OK. I see now. At least you admit the truth.
DEA engages drug dealers all the time, do you think they should always tell them the truth that they are under an investigation, and if they sell them the dope they will go to jail for it?

I'm not defending their testimony, because I read about one of the guys doing somthing to that extent of insulting examiners. I just don't see the threat. Sounds like a power trip to me. I would not be surprised if this was just a reason to kill some young black men. Take it how you want.

You have clearly never taken the life of another human being. Even when it is justified it has it costs namely emotionally and psychologically. Only a sadist or madman would do it for power or no reason. Having said that, if anyone engaged me with deadly force the color of their skin would have nothing to do with the reaction out of me. If you are ever faced with that situation I hope you react the same way for your own sake.

I've talked to friends in LA who admit that while being investigated have been thrown racial slurs and treated aggressively when they weren't a threat while being investigated, not even arrested, later released.. These things seem to be ok in your book.

You just haven't dealt with these scenarios.

DEA engages drug dealers all the time, do you think they should always tell them the truth that they are under an investigation, and if they sell them the dope they will go to jail for it?

Thank you. Just one of many examples.

DEA engages drug dealers all the time, do you think they should always tell them the truth that they are under an investigation, and if they sell them the dope they will go to jail for it?

Thats an ongoing investigation, and I can see how thats similar and acceptable for their reasons, but not the same as IN YOUR FACE at the time.

Have you been interviewed with friends around and seen the kinds of things they say to get you to admit to wrongdoing when you've done nothing wrong?
Clearly not. Not sure what I can say here. You haven't experienced the other side of unacceptable police practice.

I've talked to friends in LA who admit that while being investigated have been thrown racial slurs and treated aggressively when they weren't a threat while being investigated, not even arrested, later released.. These things seem to be ok in your book.

You just haven't dealt with these scenarios.


Judging by your posts you only hang out with the worst of the worst leos.;)

Generalization statement: All 18 year olds are idiots because they do not have enough life experience. How about them apples? is it true?

Back on topic.
You know that statistically speaking you are more likely to remember a bad experience than a good one, you are also more likely to tell your friends about it, and they will pass it on. That is where stigma comes from. Anything else you would like me to clarify for you?

I highly doubt you have had the amount of experience with shitty cops as I do. Maybe you need to get your head out of your ass, and stop acting high and mighty just because you are taking a 451 class.

And the stigma sticks around for a reason, statistics of "remembering experiences" proven or not. (Would you be a sweetheart and pull that one up for me?) Stigma starts with a true happenstance, but if the same bullshit keeps happening (i.e. not just remembering the bad times, forgetting the good ones), then what? Does it shift from stigma to truth? Or does everyone live in your fantasy land where cops are good for the most part, there are just a few meanies that don't like minorities.

I'd hate to get a true e-player like you angry, given my limited world experience. I just don't know what I'm in for!

I talk to people from all over the country.

I mean we can bring this into a excessive force / police brutality argument and we can bring all sorts of examples into this equation. But you will try to justify it.

Keep on trying to justify the slaying. It's sad really that you actually agree with these police.

I mean we can bring this into a excessive force / police brutality argument and we can bring all sorts of examples into this equation. But you will try to justify it.

Keep on trying to justify the slaying. It's sad really that you actually agree with these police.


The other side of that argument is that you believe they should have allowed themselves to be ran over and possible killed themselves. In a life and death situation you have just two choices....life or death. They[the officers] chose life.

Thats an ongoing investigation, and I can see how thats similar and acceptable for their reasons, but not the same as IN YOUR FACE at the time.

Have you been interviewed with friends around and seen the kinds of things they say to get you to admit to wrongdoing when you've done nothing wrong?
Clearly not. Not sure what I can say here. You haven't experienced the other side of unacceptable police practice.
Truth will set you free, tell the truth from the beginning and stick to it. Do not change your testimony and fall the perjury trap. As stated; STICK TO THE TRUTH.

Truth will set you free, tell the truth from the beginning and stick to it. Do not change your testimony and fall the perjury trap. As stated; STICK TO THE TRUTH.

The best part about telling the truth is you do not have to remember what you have said.:D

I highly doubt you have had the amount of experience with shitty cops as I do. Maybe you need to get your head out of your ass, and stop acting high and mighty just because you are taking a 451 class.

And the stigma sticks around for a reason, statistics of "remembering experiences" proven or not. (Would you be a sweetheart and pull that one up for me?) Stigma starts with a true happenstance, but if the same bullshit keeps happening (i.e. not just remembering the bad times, forgetting the good ones), then what? Does it shift from stigma to truth? Or does everyone live in your fantasy land where cops are good for the most part, there are just a few meanies that don't like minorities.

I'd hate to get a true e-player like you angry, given my limited world experience. I just don't know what I'm in for!

I do not care for my 451 class much, but it clearly has taught me more than your High School.I do not live in a fantasy world, but i do treat LEO's with respect and they do return the favor. Would it shock you if i told a cop "Thank you" when he handed me a ticket for 28 over the speed limit?
BTW later in court HE convinced the prosecutor to reduce my fine and points...

The other side of that argument is that you believe they should have allowed themselves to be ran over and possible killed themselves. In a life and death situation you have just two choices....life or death. They[the officers] chose life.

He was unarmed and brushed up against an unmarked police car

at which point a plain clothed officer came out and drew his WEAPON and opened fire

Under the NYPD's own rules using a car as a weapon (if you can call it that) without having a gun on you does not constitute lethal force

HE DIDN'T HAVE A GUN ON HIM.

The best part about telling the truth is you do not have to remember what you have said.:D
Exactly, this way you can't perjure yourself, what is so difficult?

and when some plainclothed guys point guns at you in your car you're just gonna sit there?

"Bell, Guzman and Trent Benefield got into the car, with Bell at the wheel. The detectives drew their weapons, said Guzman and Benefield, who testified that they never heard the plain-clothes detectives identify themselves as police.

Bell was in a panic to get away from the armed men, his friends testified.

But the detectives thought Bell was trying to run down one of them, according to their lawyers, believed that their lives were in danger and started shooting."

He was unarmed and brushed up against an unmarked police car

at which point a plain clothed officer came out and drew his WEAPON and opened fire

Under the NYPD's own rules using a car as a weapon (if you can call it that) without having a gun on you does not constitute lethal force

HE DIDN'T HAVE A GUN ON HIM.

Did the officers know that at the time? Had he been Terry Frisked? NO!!!! A vehicle is a deadly weapon when someone is trying to run you over.

"Other accounts of the incident conflict with that of the undercover officers'. According to Guzman and lawyer Michael Hardy, the detectives never identified themselves while they approached the vehicle with drawn weapons.[9] Another source also told New York Daily News that the officers failed to warn Bell before opening fire and started firing immediately upon leaving their vehicles.[15]"

Three detectives were acquitted of all charges Friday in the 50-shot killing of an unarmed groom-to-be on his wedding day, a case that put the NYPD at the center of another dispute involving allegations of excessive firepower.

The victims and shooters were set on a fateful collision course by a pair of innocuous decisions: Bell's to have a last-minute bachelor party at Kalua Cabaret, and the undercover detectives' to investigate reports of prostitution at the club.

"I yelled 'Gun!' and fired," he said. "In my mind, I knew (Guzman) had a gun."






are u reading youngin?

and uh, i dont know, but if cats are shootin me up, whether its cops or hoodlums.... and i don't have a gun....

guess what, I'm probably RUNNING

Three detectives were acquitted of all charges Friday in the 50-shot killing of an unarmed groom-to-be on his wedding day, a case that put the NYPD at the center of another dispute involving allegations of excessive firepower.

The victims and shooters were set on a fateful collision course by a pair of innocuous decisions: Bell's to have a last-minute bachelor party at Kalua Cabaret, and the undercover detectives' to investigate reports of prostitution at the club.

"I yelled 'Gun!' and fired," he said. "In my mind, I knew (Guzman) had a gun."






are u reading youngin?

and uh, i dont know, but if cats are shootin me up, whether its cops or hoodlums.... and i don't have a gun....

guess what, I'm probably RUNNING

Youngin are you serious? I think we already covered the witnesses' accounts of what happened using the judge's own words.

The city shouldn't judge the city. The people should.

Its a bullshit scenario..... cops dont deserve verdicts from a judge...they are supposed to protect the people, so the people should judge them

whether we argue in here, the shit won't stop

Yeah judges are terrible arbiters of legal fact as it is presented to them.

The city shouldn't judge the city. The people should.

Its a bullshit scenario..... cops dont deserve verdicts from a judge...they are supposed to protect the people, so the people should judge them

whether we argue in here, the shit won't stop
As stated before, one can waive the right to a trial by jury and be tried in front of the judge. Judges makes great arbitrators because they know the system, and what has to be proven.

Use your head, if they knew they were cops, why would he drive into them???

They showered them with bullets, you telling me they were still tryin to run people over?

I wish you would have this conversation outside your computer. Go outside and see if somebody don't slap your box off.

Use your head, if they knew they were cops, why would he drive into them???

They showered them with bullets, you telling me they were still tryin to run people over?

I wish you would have this conversation outside your computer. Go outside and see if somebody don't slap your box off.
um. yes there was a lady who admitted that she ran over a cop because she did not like them (took place on an Interstate, while he was standing next to a car he pulled over). Hell it was even on Spike TV last week. So to your question i would have to say yes, he might have ran them over if he knew they were cops. I nor you know his character.

Use your head, if they knew they were cops, why would he drive into them???

Ummm because he was trying to get away.

They showered them with bullets, you telling me they were still tryin to run people over?

You try and run me over on duty or not and I will defend myself with any means at my disposal.

I wish you would have this conversation outside your computer. Go outside and see if somebody don't slap your box off.

I would love to have this conversation outside of the computer in reality. Kinda of like they did in this case. It was decided in a court room.

i have been reaing this for a min. the first thing i will tell is this i know sean and all the guys in that party that night. i grew up in that area. first anybody that knows where that club is and how shinny that street is and how many cars are out there when that club is poppin knows that there is no way you can drive str8 down the block at anyone. second that street is allways filled with parked cars. don't take my word for it just google the crime photos. so given that the cops had two choises fire all those shots or step four to six feet to one side. then again some people might find it interesting how far away that the officers were from the car. what kind of car would someone need to have to get those cops before they could get out of the way. and bets of all think of this most people see a car coming and the first thing you think of is to get out of the way. but these cops did this pulled up their shrits(they were under cover) uncliped the weapons chamber a round aimed and fired and fired and fired. all of this as a car is coming at you. if you don't think they did all of those thing look it up it's sop for the nypd. i'm not trying to bash the cops cause i am ret. law but forget whats eing said for a min. and just look at the facts.

i have been reaing this for a min. the first thing i will tell is this i know sean and all the guys in that party that night. i grew up in that area. first anybody that knows where that club is and how shinny that street is and how many cars are out there when that club is poppin knows that there is no way you can drive str8 down the block at anyone. second that street is allways filled with parked cars. don't take my word for it just google the crime photos. so given that the cops had two choises fire all those shots or step four to six feet to one side. then again some people might find it interesting how far away that the officers were from the car. what kind of car would someone need to have to get those cops before they could get out of the way. and bets of all think of this most people see a car coming and the first thing you think of is to get out of the way. but these cops did this pulled up their shrits(they were under cover) uncliped the weapons chamber a round aimed and fired and fired and fired. all of this as a car is coming at you. if you don't think they did all of those thing look it up it's sop for the nypd. i'm not trying to bash the cops cause i am ret. law but forget whats eing said for a min. and just look at the facts.

So you hang out at a strip club that is being investigated for prostitution? You retired from where? When? Pretty sure the judge looked at the facts.

chamber a round aimed and fired and fired and fired. all of this as a car is coming at you. if you don't think they did all of those thing look it up it's sop for the nypd. i'm not trying to bash the cops cause i am ret. law but forget whats eing said for a min. and just look at the facts.

It is SOP for NYPD to carry a weapon without a round chambered? Right.:eyes:

So you hang out at a strip club that is being investigated for prostitution? You retired from where? When? Pretty sure the judge looked at the facts.

state of maryland 5 yr medical retired. need pics?

state of maryland 5 yr medical retired. need pics?

5yr leo posting under a screen name that is slang for marijuana. Sure show me pics.

It is SOP for NYPD to carry a weapon without a round chambered? Right.:eyes:

like i said look it up

Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends.........


I think you guys should agree to disagree on the subject. The courts have ruled, weather you agree or not. All of the arguing in the world will not change the ruling. It was a terrible situation in which decisions where made in an instant with ever lasting repercussions. They will all have to answer for their actions when their day before God comes, one of them has already had his day and the rest will have theirs. Thats the way I look at it.

i posted it on myspace i did nt know to post it here. here i am in the middle of training. and yes i still am da cheebman :gtfo:

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.editAlbumPhoto&albumID=488735&imageID=22706263&MyToken=a5ab9034-4d9c-4547-ae29-049a1a837101

The officers still face the possibility of a federal case being brought against them if the Justice Department determines that Bell’s federal civil rights were violated by the officers actions the night of his death. And Bell’s fiancée and two friends (who both survived the shooting) have remained determined in their search for justice and have filed a civil suit against the city of New York for wrongful death.

Papoose - 50 shots
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P--gTJFwE4I

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Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends.........


I think you guys should agree to disagree on the subject. The courts have ruled, weather you agree or not. All of the arguing in the world will not change the ruling. It was a terrible situation in which decisions where made in an instant with ever lasting repercussions. They will all have to answer for their actions when their day before God comes, one of them has already had his day and the rest will have theirs. Thats the way I look at it.

i do understand what your saying but i just posted my opinion and 1BAD-SS attacks me calling me a liar. we don't know who we're talking to on this board people from all walks of life. the point of boards is to be able to voice our opinions. you dont agree fine state your opinion in a way that shows you are a grown man. and keep it moving. but as the pic shows i was police. no frontn.

What law enforcement training academy taught you how to write?

this is not an english class. just some people posting on a internet board. if you got the main idea of what i said thats all that mattered. we get no points for grammar.:confused:

i do understand what your saying but i just posted my opinion and 1BAD-SS attacks me calling me a liar. we don't know who we're talking to on this board people from all walks of life. the point of boards is to be able to voice our opinions. you dont agree fine state your opinion in a way that shows you are a grown man. and keep it moving. but as the pic shows i was police. no frontn.

I'm sorry that 1BAD-SS called you a liar, perhaps he's seeing things in your comments that aren't typical of a LEO? As for my opinion, I'm just wondering what law enforcement academy taught you to write the way you do.

About this shooting, the civil suit regarding this incident will be a different matter entirely.

i do understand what your saying but i just posted my opinion and 1BAD-SS attacks me calling me a liar. we don't know who we're talking to on this board people from all walks of life. the point of boards is to be able to voice our opinions. you dont agree fine state your opinion in a way that shows you are a grown man. and keep it moving. but as the pic shows i was police. no frontn.


I never said you were lying. If you were or were not a leo in good standing is not an opinion. It is a fact....right? I can't see any pics of you on that link. For what it is worth I never said you were "frontn" either.:pimp:

Papoose - 50 shots
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P--gTJFwE4I

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I bet the criminal case would have been different if this was shown in the court room.:judge:

I'm sorry that 1BAD-SS called you a liar, perhaps he's seeing things in your comments that aren't typical of a LEO? As for my opinion, I'm just wondering what law enforcement academy taught you to write the way you do.

About this shooting, the civil suit regarding this incident will be a different matter entirely.

growing up i never had any issues with cops. it wasn't until i became one and saw the things we can get away with and the way we are taught to view everyone that is not a cop is when i started felling the way i do. and again i you're asking me about my writing like your my english teacher. this is just a forum not a job interview.

I never said you were lying. If you were or were not a leo in good standing is not an opinion. It is a fact....right? For what it is worth I never said you were "frontn" either.:pimp:

then so we can be clear what were you saying when you asked from where? when?. i never said i had been in the club. just that i knew where it was. it was opened after i moved to maryland.

The officers still face the possibility of a federal case being brought against them if the Justice Department determines that Bell’s federal civil rights were violated by the officers actions the night of his death. And Bell’s fiancée and two friends (who both survived the shooting) have remained determined in their search for justice and have filed a civil suit against the city of New York for wrongful death.

Papoose - 50 shots
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P--gTJFwE4I

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then so we can be clear what were you saying when you asked from where? when?. i never said i had been in the club. just that i knew where it was. it was opened after i moved to maryland.

That is right prove that you were a cop in good standing.

Hell I know where the Grand Canyon is even though I've never been there. I still can't comment on any crime scene that was in/around the Grand Canyon. So what are you talking about again?

I never said you were lying. If you were or were not a leo in good standing is not an opinion. It is a fact....right? I can't see any pics of you on that link. For what it is worth I never said you were "frontn" either.:pimp:

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/471/cheebs2yg1.jpg

That is right prove that you were a cop in good standing.

Hell I know where the Grand Canyon is even though I've never been there. I still can't comment on any crime scene that was in/around the Grand Canyon. So what are you talking about again?

so you are calling me a liar?

That is right prove that you were a cop in good standing.

Hell I know where the Grand Canyon is even though I've never been there. I still can't comment on any crime scene that was in/around the Grand Canyon. So what are you talking about again?

now you just talking to be talking i have been on that block. the shooting happened on the street not in the club. we are talking about a street not to far from my old house that i have been on and walked on. that's all. grand canyon. if we keep talking about writing maybe how to read post should be next.

No one in that picture is wearing a gun. I smell at best corrections officer and at worst mall ninja...I mean security guard. By the way here is a pic of me in the army.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh159/lovepirate624/rambo.jpg

No one in that picture is wearing a gun. I smell at best corrections officer and at worst mall ninja...I mean security guard. By the way here is a pic of me in the army.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh159/lovepirate624/rambo.jpg

big gun = small p@nis

Good come back there poser.

No one in that picture is wearing a gun. I smell at best corrections officer and at worst mall ninja...I mean security guard. By the way here is a pic of me in the army.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh159/lovepirate624/rambo.jpg

LMFAO!! That is funny....I lost it when I read and saw that picture. :D

Just trying to keep it light hearted for you WhosNXT.

real talk i feel where you are coming from. a lot of people come on forums and say their this or that. so i can see you asking for proof. yes my first two years were corrections but as a deputy sheriff. then the next 3 as IA still what ever you call it LEO.

Corrections officers are not law enforcement officers. You did not have arrest powers as a corrections officer. What law enforcement experience did you bring to IA (Internal Affairs?)? No one goes to an investigative division without street time. Everyone pay attention, this is that sifting to the truth thing I talked about earlier.

Corrections officers are not law enforcement officers. You did not have arrest powers as a corrections officer. What law enforcement experience did you bring to IA (Internal Affairs?)? No one goes to an investigative division without street time. Everyone pay attention, this is that sifting to the truth thing I talked about earlier.

:corn:

By the way cheebs, when were you in training? That picture looks like it was taken years ago. You are how old?

Corrections officers are not law enforcement officers. You did not have arrest powers as a corrections officer. What law enforcement experience did you bring to IA (Internal Affairs?)? No one goes to an investigative division without street time. Everyone pay attention, this is that sifting to the truth thing I talked about earlier.

again you can not read. AS A DEP. SHERIFF YES I HAD ARREST POWERS YOU GET THOSE AS A DEP. SHERIFF. i never said what i did in ia just that i worked there. crime must be crazy where your from. you just jump to all types of conclutions. you sound like dep. dog type of cop. i bet you even feel the need to show your badge even when your off duty. you even got that beltclip so people can see don't you.

By the way cheebs, when were you in training? That picture looks like it was taken years ago. You are how old?

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again you can not read. AS A DEP. SHERIFF YES I HAD ARREST POWERS YOU GET THOSE AS A DEP. SHERIFF. i never said what i did in ia just that i worked there. crime must be crazy where your from. you just jump to all types of conclutions. you sound like dep. dog type of cop. i bet you even feel the need to show your badge even when your off duty. you even got that beltclip so people can see don't you.


Corrections officers are at Sheriff's Offices and they DO NOT HAVE ARREST POWERS. Corrections Officers and LEO go to different academies to boot. Why don't you tell us what agency you were a CO at before I find out from the patches on your arm in that pic. You still haven't explained that IA claim you made. I call BS.:turd:

By the way here is a pic of me


http://www.hitjokes.com/images/takin_ride.jpg




-bodied-

Looks like more of a real police officer than cheebs.

People need to remember that the media shows what they want to show and will allways go towards public opinion, for all we know they painted these cops as bad guys and got everyone on that ban wagon because "they shot an un armed man"

If you were there and saw what happend I am sure everyone would have a different opinion.

Its like the people that go to IRAQ, the vast majority of them come bask saying how much good is hapening over there but the media just shows the bad.........

As for the rest of this thread..............:corn:

Corrections officers are at Sheriff's Offices and they DO NOT HAVE ARREST POWERS. Corrections Officers and LEO go to different academies to boot. Why don't you tell us what agency you were a CO at before I find out from the patches on your arm in that pic. You still haven't explained that IA claim you made. I call BS.:turd:

the truth is you tried to call someone out and you got your card pull you were wrong and now your just trying to save face by insluting me :engarde::gtfo: i never said i was a CO AGAIN FOR THE STUPID I WAS A DEP. SHERIFF do you need help. and you might want to check your facts again for dudes that think they know it all many co's in different states have arrest powers like new york city you can :google: it. ask me how i know its where i started. its how i moved to another div. in two years. so now where's your prove of the co's not having arrest powers you the man that knows it all now you made a state of what you call fact. put up.

OK, let me get this straight...Cops respond to a call at a night club for some sort of disturbance. Plain clothes cops show up and see 3 or 4 dudes running from the Club, they may or may not have identified themselves, they probably did, whether they were heard or not is a different story (how do they know that the dudes didn't hear them? They still felt the danger) Dudes jump in a car and try to haul, Cops feel they are going to be run over, they fire several shots, car is still coming at them, they fire until the danger has subsided. Man, how dare those cops protect themselves. It's unfortunate what happened, but it was an accident. Whether they fired 80 shots or 10 shots, until you goobers are in that situation don't come here complaining about excessive force. Especially when we don't have all the facts.

real talk i feel where you are coming from. a lot of people come on forums and say their this or that. so i can see you asking for proof. yes my first two years were corrections but as a deputy sheriff. then the next 3 as IA still what ever you call it LEO.


You said you were in corrections genius. I see no street experience in this post you made.

the truth is you tried to call someone out and you got your card pull you were wrong and now your just trying to save face by insluting me :engarde::gtfo: so far I think you have been retreating (about that IA comment again) i never said i was a CO AGAIN FOR THE STUPID I WAS A DEP. SHERIFF do you need help. and you might want to check your facts again for dudes that think you said you were in corrections they know it all many co's in different states have arrest powers like new york city you can :google: it.WWhy don't you post the job description showing you had arrest powers....you know google it ask me how i know its where i started. its how i moved to another div. in two years. so now where's your prove of the co's not having arrest powers you the man that knows it all now you made a state of what you call fact. put up.Proof? Anyone in here ever been arrested by a corrections officer. They run the jail. Everyone in the jail is under arrest.:eyes:


Still waiting for something of substance.

I wanted to be a cop, but they would not allow me to use my Z06 as a cruiser and drink beer on the job...:(

I wanted to be a cop, but they would not allow me to use my Z06 as a cruiser and drink beer on the job...:(


Chargers aren't that bad of a trade off.

Still waiting for something of substance.

take your pick player

http://search.comcast.net/?cat=web&con=net&form_submit=1&q=+correctional+officers+arrest+powers


but note how you keep asking for stuff to be prove yet you have nothing to back what you are saying but funny pics. is that how life is for you? your a local cop high on being a cop that talks a good game but knows nothing but being local.

You worked for which one of those agencies? You know so I can read that it says their correction guys had arrest powers.

By the way, what would you like for me to back up?

Chargers aren't that bad of a trade off.

No man, The chargers we have in Hendersonville (suburb of Nash who are is still ridding in 2000 something impalas:barf:) look good! They have the old school black and white paint scheme and low profile light bars. The wheels are black and at least 17s, they are pretty slick little rides. Although they went with the V6 to save gas:eyes:. I really have considered being a cop. I am so tired of my boring job and have always wanted to do that. I have no criminal record, I just don't know if they would hire me. I have a couple tattoos and don't know if that would be frowned on.

Bro tats out of sight are out of mind. If they are that bad you could always put some more ink on them to hide something bad. A lot of cops have tats. I don't but there are a lot of ex military guys with tats from before becoming a leo. Do you have college?

I've seen LEO's with sleeve's, i do not know if they got them before or after they joined the force, but they had them. That was NYPD though.

I don't know about the sleeves. I would think that for most places you would be SOL.

I wont argue, because i do not know any policies regarding the issue. I do not think a sleeve would be an 'ideal' if you were to apply for a job though, but some hidden tats; i do not see it posing a problem. But I'm sure every department is different with NYPD being more on a loose side.

Bro tats out of sight are out of mind. If they are that bad you could always put some more ink on them to hide something bad. A lot of cops have tats. I don't but there are a lot of ex military guys with tats from before becoming a leo. Do you have college?

All of my tats cover up with a T-shirt except the one on my fore arm. It is a cross with the words "Lessons Learned" witch mean a lot to me. I don't have any you can see other than that, the rest cover up with a shirt. I went to college for a year, but decided to go to work because I wanted more mod money and had an offer for a good paying job. I graduated HS right when I turned 17, left college right when I turned 18 and I am 23 now. I was also worried about that. I don't know if I would need to go back and take criminal justice classes or what.

3. This story does not affect me.
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Im wanting to try and get back in the PD application process.

Problem is I work nights and it sucks when you get home at work at 4am and have to go test at like 8am and just got off a 10 hour shift (12 hours after travel and waiting to go to work at work).

Screw it I am going to go sign up for the test again and just not go to bed so I can't sleep threw the alarm....

EDIT: Signed up :D

Back on topic....

If someone is attempting to kill you anyone has the right to defend themselves. Both civilians and cops. There should be no argument on that point. Again, anyone feel free to define "excessive force".

Of course you would, but how is running into a parked car trying to kill someone? I'm confused here. I could see if he made a deliberate attempt to swerve towards the officers, run over them, back up, and run over them again, but he didn't. He ran into a parked car.

The other side of that argument is that you believe they should have allowed themselves to be ran over and possible killed themselves. In a life and death situation you have just two choices....life or death. They[the officers] chose life.

They could have just as easily stepped three feet one way or the other too. I shoot regularly and know it takes a lot more time to shoot 31 rounds and reload than taking three steps. Not to mention at what point do you consider the situation a hazard to everyone else in the vecinity? There's stories and video to prove that a bystander inside the train station was almost shot. I understand you can get into unloading, but... On a crowded street, packed with cars, a train station next door full of people, and pedestrians all over the place what makes you think someone running into a parked car is necessary to shoot them 31 times? I've run into a parked car before and I didn't get shot at 50 times.

I think we already covered the witnesses' accounts of what happened using the judge's own words.

Judge's are just that. They take in and make their own decisions based on other people's accounts of the story. They aren't a witness themselves. They never saw what happened.

Its like the people that go to IRAQ, the vast majority of them come bask saying how much good is hapening over there but the media just shows the bad.........

No, it's not. A lot of my friends have and are over there now. One of whom is a member on this site. The baracks next to his was hit by a RPG. A man in his group was shot and killed right next to him, etc... That's only a couple insodences. I can bring up a lot more if you'd like me to. I haven't heard one thing positive from any of my friends that are there or have been. I'd like to hear something postive come out of it, but I'm not. All I'm seeing is our economy tanking and people getting killed.

There may be a lot of spelling and gramatical errors in there because it's 3:15am and I'm trying to type.

growing up i never had any issues with cops.
What does that have to do with what we're talking about?



it wasn't until i became one and saw the things we can get away with and the way we are taught to view everyone that is not a cop is when i started felling the way i do. and again i you're asking me about my writing like your my english teacher. this is just a forum not a job interview.

It just seems odd to me that a former Deputy Sheriff and Internal Affairs Investigator would write like you do.

Back on topic....



Of course you would, but how is running into a parked car trying to kill someone? I'm confused here. I could see if he made a deliberate attempt to swerve towards the officers, run over them, back up, and run over them again, but he didn't. He ran into a parked car.



They could have just as easily stepped three feet one way or the other too. I shoot regularly and know it takes a lot more time to shoot 31 rounds and reload than taking three steps. Not to mention at what point do you consider the situation a hazard to everyone else in the vecinity? There's stories and video to prove that a bystander inside the train station was almost shot. I understand you can get into unloading, but... On a crowded street, packed with cars, a train station next door full of people, and pedestrians all over the place what makes you think someone running into a parked car is necessary to shoot them 31 times? I've run into a parked car before and I didn't get shot at 50 times.



Judge's are just that. They take in and make their own decisions based on other people's accounts of the story. They aren't a witness themselves. They never saw what happened.



No, it's not. A lot of my friends have and are over there now. One of whom is a member on this site. The baracks next to his was hit by a RPG. A man in his group was shot and killed right next to him, etc... That's only a couple insodences. I can bring up a lot more if you'd like me to. I haven't heard one thing positive from any of my friends that are there or have been. I'd like to hear something postive come out of it, but I'm not. All I'm seeing is our economy tanking and people getting killed.

There may be a lot of spelling and gramatical errors in there because it's 3:15am and I'm trying to type.
im sorry that your friend went through that but there have been MANY soldiers who came back and said otherwise. so yes there IS good, a lot of it, happening. it sounds like your buddy was in one really bad part of town so to speak.

What does that have to do with what we're talking about?

i was told that i could not be a leo because of the view that i was giving. and was explaining why i felt that way.


It just seems odd to me that a former Deputy Sheriff and Internal Affairs Investigator would write like you do.

its easy im not concerned with the way i write on a forum no need. if i am writing a report ill take my time, use spell check. and i only worked for the ia div. work there for a week then tell me you trust anyone.

its easy im not concerned with the way i write on a forum no need. if i am writing a report ill take my time, use spell check. and i only worked for the ia div. work there for a week then tell me you trust anyone.

What do mean you "only" worked for Internal Affairs?

On post #136, you wrote the following:


again you can not read. AS A DEP. SHERIFF YES I HAD ARREST POWERS YOU GET THOSE AS A DEP. SHERIFF. i never said what i did in ia just that i worked there. crime must be crazy where your from. you just jump to all types of conclutions. you sound like dep. dog type of cop. i bet you even feel the need to show your badge even when your off duty. you even got that beltclip so people can see don't you.

In California, the jails are operated by the Sheriff's department. They have Deputy Sheriffs (who are the actual police officers that go out in the field after getting the experience of working with inmates; albeit there are those who elect to stay). Then there are Correctional Deputies, who are not actual deputies, but rather "jailers" only. They're two different positions; and only the deputies go through a "real" academy.

1BAD-SS is basically saying that "you're" confusing the two positions...

Please correct (no pun) us if I/1BAD-SS are wrong about you.

I wanted to be a cop, but they would not allow me to use my Z06 as a cruiser and drink beer on the job...:(
:chug::chug:

Thats Tha Most Rediculous Shit I've Ever Seen...there's No Way You Can Justify Emptying You Clip And Reloading Also To Empty That Clip And Never Get Any Return Fire...shows How Untouchable The Courts Allow The Cops To Be...

No, it's not. A lot of my friends have and are over there now. One of whom is a member on this site. The baracks next to his was hit by a RPG. A man in his group was shot and killed right next to him, etc... That's only a couple insodences. I can bring up a lot more if you'd like me to. I haven't heard one thing positive from any of my friends that are there or have been. I'd like to hear something postive come out of it, but I'm not. All I'm seeing is our economy tanking and people getting killed.

There may be a lot of spelling and gramatical errors in there because it's 3:15am and I'm trying to type.

Depends on what you are doing and were you are. I was more talking about the good things for the IRAQI people and what not, people die in war, my father was over there and may end up going back, a friend is Marine Infantry and in Iraq right now also.

Never said its all good, just said its not all bad. Sorry about your friends issues, my grandfather was shot out of a Huey 100 feet in the air with AAA in Vietnam and lived, in a wheel chair now though, work and have worked with quite a few guys with battle damage..... Like I said man, just saying its not all bad like the media says. You are going to get shot at in a war zone, thats war.

Tons of civilian contractors getting killed also but from what I am hearing its because they are idiots and don't know when to get down and stay down.

Tell your bud to come home safe.

Back on topic.

Thats Tha Most Rediculous Shit I've Ever Seen...there's No Way You Can Justify Emptying You Clip And Reloading Also To Empty That Clip And Never Get Any Return Fire...shows How Untouchable The Courts Allow The Cops To Be...

Exactly but some people think its okay because they are cops

Also, bear in mind that it takes zero education to be a police officer. They take just about anyone. So you can't expect many of them to be too bright.

Also, bear in mind that it takes zero education to be a police officer. They take just about anyone. So you can't expect many of them to be too bright.
That was a moronic statement.

That was a moronic statement.

Umm.. most police aren't accredited institution educated. This is common knowledge. There is zero education requirements to join the force in almost every case I've seen. They don't get paid much either. But again, what do you expect.

Umm.. most police aren't accredited institution educated. This is common knowledge. There is zero education requirements to join the force in almost every case I've seen. They don't get paid much either. But again, what do you expect.
:lol: NJSP only requires a BA degree, and most departments in NJ require require some type of college degree. Should i talk about fed. government qualification? Your common knowledge is moronic, as stated before.

:lol: NJSP only requires a BA degree, and most departments in NJ require require some type of college degree. Should i talk about fed. government qualification? Your common knowledge is moronic, as stated before.

And... regardless if thats true. The majority don't. They don't need here. They didn't in many parts of IL.. They don't in a ton of other states.

Why don't you stop typing pig wannabe.

Yes, you should talk about federal government qualifications because thats exactly what I stated when I said "police officer" right?

Reading comprehension > You.

And... regardless if thats true. The majority don't. They don't need here. They didn't in many parts of IL.. They don't in a ton of other states.

Why don't you stop typing pig wannabe.
If they don't "there" that doesn't mean that they do not have college education. Do YOU have college education? because you do not seem like it, your knowledge on the subject is petty at best, just as your knowledge about other subjects, as i suspect.


You had to think about your other point for whole 3 minutes, that shows how intelligent you really are. :lol:

That time is off.. I typed that immediately following my previous post.

lol @ you trying to make a point and failing.

You should worry about graduating high school first and then we'll compare resumes.

That time is off.. I typed that immediately following my previous post.

lol @ you trying to make a point and failing.

You should worry about graduating high school first and then we'll compare resumes.
As i suspected.... ill have fries with that little man :lol:

That doesn't make any sense. Your failure rate is accumulating.

That doesn't make any sense. Your failure rate is accumulating.
It would if you had any education past High School.

But anyways, i have better things to do than argue with uneducated folk on the internet over cop bashings. You want to hate cops, be my guest.

It would if you had any education past High School.

I have two degree's actually. I currently go to ASU.

What relevance does this have?

If I compare your sig car to my sig's car, it would appear I make more money than you right? So I guess I should assume that I'm better than you, because your car is worth less than mine.

This is the type of logic you use.

I'm coming to the conclusion you don't have a GED.

But anyways, i have better things to do than argue with uneducated folk on the internet over cop bashings. You want to hate cops, be my guest.

This thread just got so much better with you leaving.

Please don't go back on your word and make a return.

if a car was moving at me, especially if that driver had a look on his face or a sign in the window saying you in the blue im going to run you over do you know what i would do? i would jump out of the way... left or right. not shoot him so his car can continue to veer into my face. and certainly not 31 times. the you tube 31 shot vid shows him firing and reloading 31 rounds in like 12.x seconds. ok. so this guy was AT LEAST a quarter of a mile away... unless hes got an ls in that sob the cops had plenty of time to run to krispy kreme, grab a bakers dozen, run back and still shoot the TIRES OR WHATEVER ELSE they needed to, to get that vehicle to stop, but shooting at a 2 ton moving block of steel doesnt get the car to stop not matter where you shoot it. or who you shoot inside. so all they managed to do was put MANY people in harms way, with the car driving without a driver, the random bullets flying everywhere, and the death of one and the near death of 2 more. WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT BEING RIGHT? if i make a mistake, i go to jail, realize i did wrong and pay for it. why do they not have to pay for their mistakes? these cops wont even have it on their conscious because it was viewed as being right at the moment. what about next time a car is just driving at a cop. now they know they can get away with it. everyone in power abuses it.

how about this.
hypothetical situation.

im on the left side of the road.
im a citizen of the us.
i saw that cop speeding about a half mile away.
i waived my arms in the air to single him that i wanted him to pull over.
i shoot him.
would i get off?
what if i told the judge this?
i mean he was already disobeying the law i just wanted to let him know that by writing him a ticket and placing him under citizens arrest. then he started to get over and drive towards me. he looked angry, from what i could tell. and i knew he had a gun. so i thought he wanted to kill me. so i shot him. so what it was 31 times. i thoght he wanted to harm me.

the only difference in this scenario... THE REAL VICTIM WAS NEVER DOING ANYTHING WRONG. HE WAS PREVOKED. shit you better believe if someones got a gun pointed at me in my car they will have SS and a bowtie imprinted on their body. or at the least they aint catching me. no questions asked and no second thoughts about it. life or death. for both? no. life or death for the victim? yes. for the cop? he had more than one choice that he could have made. everyone knows you cant out run the radio. so how long would it have taken to take down the tag? not 12 seconds i can tell you that.

Also, bear in mind that it takes zero education to be a police officer. They take just about anyone. So you can't expect many of them to be too bright.

So you have two degrees and are currently at ASU. How much education does it take for you to get a job. Since it takes zero education to be a cop how did you not outsmart the cop that arrested you for weed and disorderly conduct? I mean you have vast amounts of education and all.

The most dangerous members of the criminal justice system is the police! The prosecuter can charge you, The judge can judge you and sentence you, but the police can kill you and ask questions later!

Wow wtf is up with people and bashing education? I don't care how long you go to collage and how many degrees you have, That in no way makes you more usefull than the next. Wow i work with a guy that has 8yrs and many degrees and i make much more money than he does. I mean really in what way does it matter if you can use bigger words or put together sentences better than someone else. I mean knowledge is power but useless knowledge still makes you useless. :punch::punch::punch::punch::lock:

I don't care how long you go to collage and how many degrees you have....
http://www.firelands.bgsu.edu/arts/ccct/media/images/caryl_collage-00.jpg

http://www.firelands.bgsu.edu/arts/ccct/media/images/caryl_collage-00.jpg

:D:jest:

So you have two degrees and are currently at ASU. How much education does it take for you to get a job. Since it takes zero education to be a cop how did you not outsmart the cop that arrested you for weed and disorderly conduct? I mean you have vast amounts of education and all.

You dumb ass motherfucker. I swear. Why you making this about me? I'm pursuing grad school.. So beefing up my education definately doesn't hurt. And who said I don't have a job? I run a business and work, own a house, two cars. lol.

Firstly, I'm gonna be flat honest with you. It was an assault charge and I ADMITTED to punching the person. Because I knew what I did wrong and I felt kinda bad about it even though dude deserved it. He didn't fight back, just got fucked up and ran away. When the police came, I admitted to it and faced the consequences. As far as the posession, I just got caught smoking at the wrong time. Pretty simple really. It happens, but seeing as I dealt with drugs for oh... 7 years. I'd say I've done plenty of outsmarting. Shit happens.

NOWHERE in here did I say I hate cops. What school do you go to? Do you have a criminal record? What police dept you work for and how many years? You trying to make this personal faggot.

As far as I'm concered your opinion is as valid as mine seeing as it's a DISCUSSION. SO take your bullshit elsewhere pigster.

Wow wtf is up with people and bashing education? I don't care how long you go to collage and how many degrees you have, That in no way makes you more usefull than the next. Wow i work with a guy that has 8yrs and many degrees and i make much more money than he does. I mean really in what way does it matter if you can use bigger words or put together sentences better than someone else. I mean knowledge is power but useless knowledge still makes you useless. :punch::punch::punch::punch::lock:

Yep, My cousin has ZERO college. Multi-millionaire and his business is huge. You just proved my point, what does education have to do with this?

I was just taking a crack at dumb ass police who don't need any education to be one, and this occurs in many states.

So fucking funny how you cops take it personally.. HILARIOUS. :jest:

if a car was moving at me, especially if that driver had a look on his face or a sign in the window saying you in the blue im going to run you over do you know what i would do? i would jump out of the way... left or right. not shoot him so his car can continue to veer into my face. and certainly not 31 times. the you tube 31 shot vid shows him firing and reloading 31 rounds in like 12.x seconds.

Believe me...you can unload a pistol and reload in far less time than 12 seconds.

I can change a magazine in a second or two. its not that hard.

You dumb ass motherfucker. I swear. Why you making this about me? I'm pursuing grad school.. So beefing up my education definately doesn't hurt. And who said I don't have a job? I run a business and work, own a house, two cars. lol.

Firstly, I'm gonna be flat honest with you. It was an assault charge and I ADMITTED to punching the person. Because I knew what I did wrong and I felt kinda bad about it even though dude deserved it. He didn't fight back, just got fucked up and ran away. When the police came, I admitted to it and faced the consequences. As far as the posession, I just got caught smoking at the wrong time. Pretty simple really. It happens, but seeing as I dealt with drugs for oh... 7 years. I'd say I've done plenty of outsmarting. Shit happens.

NOWHERE in here did I say I hate cops. What school do you go to? Do you have a criminal record? What police dept you work for and how many years? You trying to make this personal faggot.

As far as I'm concered your opinion is as valid as mine seeing as it's a DISCUSSION. SO take your bullshit elsewhere pigster.

When all else fails go back to the name calling.:eyes:

I have / would say the same to your face. So... tell us a little bit about yourself Mr. PO. Because it's relevant to the conversation isn't it?

I have / would say the same to your face.I'm sure you would. So... tell us a little bit about yourself Mr. PO. Because it's relevant to the conversation isn't it?Right after you tell us more about yourself

If you don't believe I am a LEO simply go here: www.officerresource.com

Click on the forums tab. I post as Five-0. Click on the profile. All the info you need to know is there. Then try to get verified as a leo if you think this is not proof enough.

I honestly don't care about your personal situation. I'll take your word for it. But you seem to want to expose me or somthing.

My good friend I talked to who is a 7 tour afghanistan combat vet from the Army currently an intelligence analyst (10-years total experience) said quote

"as a soldier with multiple tours of combat, i can tell you that 50 shots to down one man is excessive.

if you're hittin' your target, shouldn't use no more than 10."

Training / experience knowledge dropped.

Plus, doesn't it only take a couple bullets to stop a moving car.. like say.. shooting at the tires?

I honestly don't care about your personal situation. I'll take your word for it. But you seem to want to expose me or somthing.You expose yourself as a cop hater in threads like this all the time.

My good friend I talked to who is a 7 tour afghanistan combat vet from the Army currently an intelligence analyst (10-years total experience) said quote

"as a soldier with multiple tours of combat, i can tell you that 50 shots to down one man is excessive.Not all pistol rounds can penatrate a car. Try looking at the rounds of ammo spent for a typical combat platoon in relationship to the number of kills they have and then stand by that no more than 10 round claim.

if you're hittin' your target, shouldn't use no more than 10."Have you ever shot at a moving target with your pulse over 100 bpm? Shooting a pistol is much different than shooting a long gun. Shooting anything accurately while on the move yourself is not a common skill

Training / experience knowledge dropped.

You want to drop it because you have no training or experience in this subject.

Plus, doesn't it only take a couple bullets to stop a moving car.. like say.. shooting at the tires?


Bullets will not stop a car. They stop people.

You want to drop it because you have no training or experience in this subject.

So you mean to tell me those cops can't aim either?

I've shot guns.

DROPPED meant he PRODUCED KNOWLEDGE. You must be an old man.

Why would I want to drop it Mr. Pig?

:jest:

And I don't hate cops. Never said that. I believe them to be abusers of power on many occassions. There's a difference.

And why would I hate them? The smell of bacon is intoxicating.

You guys are really going at it. Calm down before theres another shooting..:chug: