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Old 06-26-2008, 03:43 PM
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01 Trans Am with 6 spd manual.

Runs perfect in all conditions, except has a stumble at 5800 rpm. Conditions when problem occurs:

No misfire recorded.

All 4 O2's showing 950Mv.

Fuel pressure 46 lbs.

Pulse width on both banks 16Ms.

Problem is always repeatable.

Any advice would be appreciated!
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From that info, i would say you are WAY to rich and it is stumbling from that.
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Originally Posted by Scoggin Dickey
Mods? Tuned? Recent work? Tried anything simple yet dealing with plugs/wires/maf? More info on the setup etc along with anything you have tried would be very helpful
Bone stock, including PCM calibration. 40,000 mi.

Had all plugs out, they look good. Wires are brand new. MAF has been recently cleaned w/brake clean. Fuel filter is new.

Air filter looks good, but I might change it.
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You probably fried your MAF by spraying it down with brake clean. The sensors in the MAF are EXTREMELY sensitive. You might want to think about getting a replacement.
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What exactly do you mean by "stumbling?" I had a problem a while ago, and it may be the same thing you are experiencing. My rev limiter was kicking it at an indicated 5800 rpm. I was unaware at the time how inaccurate the factory tachometer is. I was actually at 6200 (rev limit), but just didn't know it.

You can figure out if this is the problem by rowing the gears. If the problem happens in 1st and 2nd, it is the same thing that was happening to me. The problem did not pursist in the higher gears because the car wasn't revving as quickly as it did in the lower gears and the factory tach could keep up.

This may not be your problem, but I figured it was worth a shot....good luck.
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Originally Posted by TransAm578
What exactly do you mean by "stumbling?" I had a problem a while ago, and it may be the same thing you are experiencing. My rev limiter was kicking it at an indicated 5800 rpm. I was unaware at the time how inaccurate the factory tachometer is. I was actually at 6200 (rev limit), but just didn't know it.

You can figure out if this is the problem by rowing the gears. If the problem happens in 1st and 2nd, it is the same thing that was happening to me. The problem did not pursist in the higher gears because the car wasn't revving as quickly as it did in the lower gears and the factory tach could keep up.

This may not be your problem, but I figured it was worth a shot....good luck.
This makes perfect logical sense - RPM in 1st gear builds quickly and the tach can't keep up. Indicated 5800 could actually be hitting the rev limiter at 6200. I checked everything on the scan tool except RPM. I assumed the dash tach was correct.

I will take it up to 6000 in 3rd and check results.

Thanks for your input.
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I have the same damn problem ..... Let me know if anything changes
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Something is wrong with your fueling. 58 psi is what fuel pressure is supposed to be, and your mv on your o2s say you are PIG rich..
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Originally Posted by eseibel67
This makes perfect logical sense - RPM in 1st gear builds quickly and the tach can't keep up. Indicated 5800 could actually be hitting the rev limiter at 6200. I checked everything on the scan tool except RPM. I assumed the dash tach was correct.

I will take it up to 6000 in 3rd and check results.

Thanks for your input.
No problem! Let me know if that is what was happening...I'll check back.
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Pig rich is what the factory tune commands. But you
would be pig rich at lower RPM too. I favor the rev
limiter idea but that is not a "stumble", that is more
like whup-whup-whup until you shift. Another possible
cause of weirdness in a narrow RPM range is valvetrain
resonances. The weaker the spring, the lower that
will be seen.
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I was have the same problem but in a higher rpm range mine started to stumble at 6500rpm and found out it was the PRC springs were worn out, install new ones and now no stumble and shift at 7300 rpms.
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I'm having the same problem and mine does it in 1st 2nd 3rd & 4th gear once it hits 5800. I can't even use my nitrous period. I think it's something dealing with fuel but what's the possibility that it's timing or A/F ratio. Fuel pump & filter has been changed. Same results.

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Originally Posted by TransAm578
No problem! Let me know if that is what was happening...I'll check back.
I tested a few different scenarios, and I am now convinced it's the rev limiter as you suggested. At higher loads, either by a higher gear selection or by more weight on board, there is no problem.

Thanks for your help!
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No problem! I got a shift light to solve the problem, as they are accurate. I thought about getting an aftermarket tach, but couldn't find a setup I liked.




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