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I thought you guys would like this


http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69831&highlight=grand+prix

haha thats pretty funny

That is funny.. cant wait to meet a charger at a light

A Monte owner came to the rescue on page 8

A Monte owner came to the rescue on page 8

that would be me :)


aaannnndd an update... http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69831&highlight=grand+prix&page=9

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lol, that cracked me up....

as it normally goes in Internet-land, everyone has the fastest car and everyone has beat an Enzo Ferrari with their car.

i went from a 05 hemi truck to the GXP, i know....a truck....but it doesnt even compare to the GXP. Love the GXP, but hate the problems that are coming along with it.

what have i started hahahahah

whats the difference between a normal hemi charger and an R/T?? i've beat 2 hemi chargers already

whats the difference between a normal hemi charger and an R/T?? i've beat 2 hemi chargers already

Nothing. There isn't a "normal" Hemi Charger. To get the 5.7L Hemi you have to get an R/T. And obviously an SRT8 if you want the 6.1L.

forget about the dramma in that thread i was lookin` around and the aftermarket is huge for those cars, i knew i should have bought that srt-8 when i had the chance this is bullshit lol

Nothing. There isn't a "normal" Hemi Charger. To get the 5.7L Hemi you have to get an R/T. And obviously an SRT8 if you want the 6.1L.

Theres a charger 4 doors down that has a hemi and no r/t badges just a little hemi badge on the side. The owner said he bought it like that, and i've seen another around town too. strange

They either added a Hemi badge, or debadged the R/T badges. The V6 Chargers with the 3.5 usually have a 3.5L badge thats the same size as the Hemi badge and in the same location. But you can't get the Hemi in another of the lower models. Same as you couldn't get an LS4 in a non-GXP GP or non SS Imp or MC.

SE: 2.7L V6
SXT: 3.5L V6
R/T: 5.7L Hemi
SRT8: 6.1L Hemi

Now, perhaps he ordered a police spec Charger with a Hemi. That is the only way you'd have a Hemi that's not an R/T, I didn't think of that the first time around. I've heard you can just go down to a Dodge dealer and order one. I don't know if there's any truth to that though, but it's what I've heard. I don't think Chevy or Ford lets you do that with their 9C1 Impala or Interceptor though.

And naturally there is going to be a much larger aftermarket for that car. There always has been. There's a hell of alot more of those cars on the road than LS4 cars. And the fact that they're RWD automatically makes companies more willing to make parts.

its sucks that we dont have much in the order of aftermarket parts its sad that theres mor for the v6 than the v8

I think he is talking about the Charger r/t R[U]oad and [U]Track (R&T) package a lot of guys have. But ya the r/t emblems used to be small on the 05 models and then the 06+ got the large RT in the grill.

i love my car but why does a certain model have to get the shaft on aftermarket parts, same for the bonneville gxp, it has the northstar, rear air ride, carbon fiber inserts, great looking car where is the aftermarket for those cars
c`mon aftermarket make more parts for certain make cars

Because there are more people modding Hemi's than LS4's and Northstars. Simple as that.

^That's it, RWD is what is respected and that's where the R and D goes!! Knowbody respects the FWD!!!!!!

well lets take a look at the j-body what a HUGE aftermarket for those cars, and the ecotec my alero could make over 1,000 hp with that block, so if a j-body can make huge amounts of power, why not a front wheel drive v8 that look 10x better then some crapailer

Demand. Many more people are going to mod ecotecs than LS4's. Look at how many modded cars you see of those vs. LS4 cars. We're in the great minority here of people who actually mod these cars. Take the Imp SS for example, 90% of the ones I see are driven by senior citizens. If there's not a demand for the parts they're not going to make them. Yea, all of us want the parts, but you have to look at the big picture. Most of the LS4 cars sold will remain stock. You can see a modded Cavy almost anytime you take a drive anywhere. How many modded LS4 cars do you see on a normal basis?

Demand. Many more people are going to mod ecotecs than LS4's. Look at how many modded cars you see of those vs. LS4 cars. We're in the great minority here of people who actually mod these cars. Take the Imp SS for example, 90% of the ones I see are driven by senior citizens. If there's not a demand for the parts they're not going to make them. Yea, all of us want the parts, but you have to look at the big picture. Most of the LS4 cars sold will remain stock. You can see a modded Cavy almost anytime you take a drive anywhere. How many modded LS4 cars do you see on a normal basis?

its almost a chicken-and-egg problem though... you dont see any modded cars because there is crap for aftermarket support, you dont see aftermarket support because nobody thinks people want to mod the cars :bang:

But, to extent they're right. No matter what car you have there will be SOME that want to mod it. Like I said the majority of LS4 cars I see are driven by old people with no desire to mod them. And, to an extent, we're to blame for lack of certain parts. Look at the header situation. Numerous times people tried to get the ball rolling. Lots of people wanted to complain(me not being one of them) that there are no headers, but when someone says okay Company X will make headers but needs X amount of people up front then no one wants to do it. If someone doesn't step up and put their money where there mouth is you're always going to have dick for aftermarket if everyone just sits around waiting for someone else to make it.

As is the only LS4 cars left now are the Imp and Lacrosse. Both of which are cars that will end up being modded less than the GXP's and MCSS's, so the situation isn't going to get that much better IMO. I give credit to Cartuning for developing the turbo kit regardless of how many people actually end up purchasing it, that was atleast one huge step for our aftermarket. The only brightside to me is the fact that this is a nice motor that may gain more popularity for engine swaps so the aftermarket might catch on to that. There have been several Fiero swaps already so who knows what else people might be throwing LS4's into. Of course, that's just my 2 cents.

So......you want performance part manufacturers to make parts for the LS4, this is an LS4 forum, get everyone here to go old school.

Draft up a letter asking performance parts maker x,y, and z to make some parts for our vehicles. Then have everyone sign it....

Might make them stand up and take notice...you never know!!




:bang: it is a fight for parts...:engarde:



Think we could ever set up a blower on these cars?? probably have to be roots type, and then the accessory drive gets even more complex....

i see what everyone is saying i do its just frustrating when my alero has more aftermarket then my pontiac, i guess there will never really be a huge aftermarket for these cars
i guess i have to be happy with what is out there

i'm hoping once the price falls and more young people start buying then the aftermarket will come, but fwd,auto and big will hold us back.

i know i didnt get into the 3800 stuff until well after its prime but how long did it take for that aftermarket support to really build to the point its at today? certainly the first two or three years were slow going?

but fwd,auto and big will hold us back.

didnt hold back the 3800/w-body scene... most of those cars are within 200lbs of the current V8 models

LOL, I raced a Dodge Charger a couple days ago, I won:) I used my TAP shift it wasn't at stop light I was doing 40KM/H and put the shifter into M and dropped the gear from 3rd to 2nd and took off.

And the 3800 has been around forever. That engine was around in some form or another since atleast the 80's. And it was in a hell of alot more cars. You can't really compare the LS4 to the 3800.

And the 3800 has been around forever. That engine was around in some form or another since atleast the 80's. And it was in a hell of alot more cars. You can't really compare the LS4 to the 3800.

looking back it seems to me it didnt really get good until the 3800 Series II, and even then a ton of em were in w-body cars? some f-bodys, and whatever the bonneville/park avenue are :confused:

i thought the small block in its various forms was around forever too :bang:

Nothing. There isn't a "normal" Hemi Charger. To get the 5.7L Hemi you have to get an R/T. And obviously an SRT8 if you want the 6.1L.

As I recall, when the Charger's first re-emerged, the R/T was an extra cost option with a slightly different exhaust system running the Hemi from 340 to 350 horsepower (along with a rather intense two-tone paint job). There are plenty of non-R/T Hemi Charger's running around.

I believe you're thinking of the Road and Track package. Not to be confused with the normal R/T trim level. The road and track package gave the R/T the extra 10 hp along with a couple other add ons. Normal R/T's had the 340hp. So there's a normal R/T, then you can get an R/T with Road and Track pacakge. Which is confusing. I'm 99% positive that this is correct. The Hemi wasn't available in the lower trim levels the SE and SXT. It is confusing having the R/T as an actual trim level and then the Road and Track package as an add on to the R/T.

looking back it seems to me it didnt really get good until the 3800 Series II, and even then a ton of em were in w-body cars? some f-bodys, and whatever the bonneville/park avenue are :confused:

i thought the small block in its various forms was around forever too :bang:

Well yea obviously the small block has been around forever. But the LS4 can't even come close to the production levels of the 3800 engines, nor will it. It's really an apples and oranges comparison. You're looking at cars where a small number produced actually used the LS4 whereas with the 3800 those cars the majority of them got it. Even the f-bodys half of the f-bodys sold were V6's. As I said, as much as everyone wants to think it is, the demand just isnt there for the companies to really want to invest in making parts for us.