Street Racing & Kill Stories - I finally raced my friend with his new evo




black_phoenix
08-11-2008, 01:41 AM
So i remember i started a thread on here where i wondered who would win, my car or my friends 2003 evo... but it got closed... I RACED HIM. Anyway, before he got himself an evo i used to mess around with him by callin him a ricer and all (he has a turbo civic too). And i remember he said once, "once i get my evo i will teach you a lesson"... Well long story short, after work i see him leaving a parking lot and immediately i followed him . When i caught up to him, he slowed down to about 10 mph and went in the right lane, anticipating my arrival. So i down shift into 1st and wait... Without honking he mashes it and the race is on... I gotta tell you it wasnt even a competition because i left him 4 or 5 lengths behind at about 50 mph And yes he was racing, i heard his friggin blow off valve going nuts... I shut down at about 90 or so (it was city with not much traffic at night 10-11pm)
Next day when i came to work we started talking he said my car is fast and admitted defeat. He wants to do it again but on the track this time... one of the best days at work for me so far :)

Now as far as mods go... off course it's all show on the exterior with those gold OZ rims, carbon fiber hood, wing, blah blah :eyes: But as far as performance goes, he says it is cammed with 350 whp, but i highly doubt that because engine bay appears to be bone stock (yes he does not even have an intake) SO, i think i raced a BONE STOCK evo... so 286 hp i think, right?


71-Camaro-98
08-11-2008, 02:24 AM
Nice kill, I am not sure what the stock HP is but it should have been closer if he was modded.

Irunelevens
08-11-2008, 02:41 AM
Well if he had truly been modded like he said he was (:eyes:) then the OP would be hard pressed to keep up... sounds like a bone stock car to me. But 4-5 cars from 10-50mph sounds like bad driving to me. Good kill regardless, and way to shut him up :thumb:


dsmfan95
08-11-2008, 04:07 AM
By gold OZ rims are you referring to the brand or are they rims that came off of the OZ Lancer?

PewterScreaminMach
08-11-2008, 07:41 AM
Well if he had truly been modded like he said he was (:eyes:) then the OP would be hard pressed to keep up... sounds like a bone stock car to me. But 4-5 cars from 10-50mph sounds like bad driving to me. Good kill regardless, and way to shut him up :thumb:

Nice kill, OP. If he was pushing the same horsepower as you or higher, you'd have a very hard time keeping up because they're pretty light (at least the ones I've run were pretty light).

PowershifterNC
08-11-2008, 08:08 AM
I tried to race one a few months ago but he just drove it off the lot. I got the feeling he was just hanging out anyway. Still I'd like to run it as he should have some mods by now.

RaggedRides
08-11-2008, 08:23 AM
Why wouldn't he take advantage of the AWD and run from a dig? Y'all should try it that way and see how he fares.

MYSTIC-1SC
08-11-2008, 08:45 AM
nice kill

AznMuscle
08-11-2008, 10:00 AM
Why wouldn't he take advantage of the AWD and run from a dig? Y'all should try it that way and see how he fares.

New AWD driver from a dig=lose. Unless he learned quick on how to launch, he will just bog down and the OP would walk his ass hard. Now in say...a couple months, or some good track time, he will get it down, but if he just got the car, it will be bad for the evo.

PowershifterNC
08-11-2008, 11:47 AM
I've never driven an awd vehicle but it seems like it would be easy to launch....rev it high and side step the clutch

S8ER95Z
08-11-2008, 12:13 PM
Sounds like a stock one...I ran a cammed/Intake Evo from a roll and was a few lengths ahead by 150 when I shut down... from a dig lookout (even against the stock ones) but from a roll they need slightly less/equal power to keep up. Which means if he was REALLY making the power he claimed he would have went right past you from a roll.

AznMuscle
08-11-2008, 12:43 PM
Thats the thing..you can't just rev high, and dump it, or it will bog. From everyone I know that has picked up AWD cars, it takes time to really learn how to launch the shit ouf of them.

black_phoenix
08-11-2008, 01:12 PM
By gold OZ rims are you referring to the brand or are they rims that came off of the OZ Lancer?

i believe the brand...

black_phoenix
08-11-2008, 01:14 PM
New AWD driver from a dig=lose. Unless he learned quick on how to launch, he will just bog down and the OP would walk his ass hard. Now in say...a couple months, or some good track time, he will get it down, but if he just got the car, it will be bad for the evo.

he is not a best driver out there, hell he missed a gear big time while i was in the car once...

PowershifterNC
08-11-2008, 01:17 PM
Thats the thing..you can't just rev high, and dump it, or it will bog. From everyone I know that has picked up AWD cars, it takes time to really learn how to launch the shit ouf of them.


Well I heard the Evo's have weak clutches from the factory. A friend of mine took me for a ride in his Impreza Wrx Sti one time and he bounced it off the rev limiter and side stepped it. You best believe that muther took off.

black_phoenix
08-11-2008, 01:21 PM
oh, i have no doubts if he had 350 whp then i would lose big time

NO 5.0
08-11-2008, 01:29 PM
Well I heard the Evo's have weak clutches from the factory. A friend of mine took me for a ride in his Impreza Wrx Sti one time and he bounced it off the rev limiter and side stepped it. You best believe that muther took off.

I think the stock clutches in the STI and evo are both weak, the only reason u can sidestep them is because they actually SLIP when u do that. Put a aftermarket clutch in that grips and try to launch it like that and u will be breaking stuff. The best way to launch a awd car is to "slip" the clutch untill u feel it going, that kinda preloads the drivetrain, then let it all the way out. That neted me 1.70 60's in my bosses bolt-on evo9. My boss, not knowing how to launch his car, revved it up, dumped the clutch, and BAM. Bye Bye Transfer case.

lilbuddy1587
08-11-2008, 02:00 PM
oh, i have no doubts if he had 350 whp then i would lose big time

First off, good kill man.

You wouldn't lose big time. You'd probably be a good race pending the year of the EVO (IX would eat you...).

A cammed/bolt on EVO is a good race for a bolt on/exhaust LSx with the LSx steadily pulling after 120mph. From a dig(competent evo driver), its rape unless the LS driver is a stalled auto or can drive(m6)

AznMuscle
08-11-2008, 02:08 PM
I think the stock clutches in the STI and evo are both weak, the only reason u can sidestep them is because they actually SLIP when u do that. Put a aftermarket clutch in that grips and try to launch it like that and u will be breaking stuff. The best way to launch a awd car is to "slip" the clutch untill u feel it going, that kinda preloads the drivetrain, then let it all the way out. That neted me 1.70 60's in my bosses bolt-on evo9. My boss, not knowing how to launch his car, revved it up, dumped the clutch, and BAM. Bye Bye Transfer case.

Thats what I was refering too. One of my good friends has a stg 2 '06 WRX, and he said you can't dump them like that. Got to slip it at first, then pop it out. Evo's and STI's are like that. But I drove a 12 lbs tuned s4, just reved to 5k and dumped it, and that thing took the fuck off. Just depends on the car, clutch, ect. Just like our cars, 5k rpm clutch dump on stock rear=bye bye. Same shit.

LS1>*
08-11-2008, 03:21 PM
So i remember i started a thread on here where i wondered who would win, my car or my friends 2003 evo... but it got closed... I RACED HIM. Anyway, before he got himself an evo i used to mess around with him by callin him a ricer and all (he has a turbo civic too). And i remember he said once, "once i get my evo i will teach you a lesson"... Well long story short, after work i see him leaving a parking lot and immediately i followed him . When i caught up to him, he slowed down to about 10 mph and went in the right lane, anticipating my arrival. So i down shift into 1st and wait... Without honking he mashes it and the race is on... I gotta tell you it wasnt even a competition because i left him 4 or 5 lengths behind at about 50 mph And yes he was racing, i heard his friggin blow off valve going nuts... I shut down at about 90 or so (it was city with not much traffic at night 10-11pm)
Next day when i came to work we started talking he said my car is fast and admitted defeat. He wants to do it again but on the track this time... one of the best days at work for me so far :)

Now as far as mods go... off course it's all show on the exterior with those gold OZ rims, carbon fiber hood, wing, blah blah :eyes: But as far as performance goes, he says it is cammed with 350 whp, but i highly doubt that because engine bay appears to be bone stock (yes he does not even have an intake) SO, i think i raced a BONE STOCK evo... so 286 hp i think, right?

It had to have been stock....If it has aftermarket cams then he has no idea how to drive...

My SS puts down more whp/wtq than your car does and I've raced 2 Evo 9's with 330whp and only managed 1.5-2 CL's on them...

You're not puttin 4-5 CL's on a cammed Evo

black_phoenix
08-11-2008, 07:05 PM
It had to have been stock....If it has aftermarket cams then he has no idea how to drive...

My SS puts down more whp/wtq than your car does and I've raced 2 Evo 9's with 330whp and only managed 1.5-2 CL's on them...

You're not puttin 4-5 CL's on a cammed Evo

you sir... are correct, maybe after LT's i would have a chance

lilbuddy1587
08-11-2008, 11:27 PM
you sir... are correct, maybe after LT's i would have a chance

You will have more than a "chance" :D

LS1>*
08-12-2008, 01:13 AM
Yeah, once you've got the LT's on then a cam only Evo will be a good run...

Cam and meth Evo's are a bit more common as far as I know...I've known several people that have upgraded their cams and installed a meth kit at the same time...

2 of them cleared the 375whp mark with just those upgrades on stock turbos...Those were Evo 9's though...Not sure what an Evo 8 is capable of.

WRX-ERROR
08-13-2008, 09:03 AM
The launch in an AWD car is only complicated by building boost. Slipping the clutch is not hard to learn. With my piggyback ECU I can leave the line at around 10lbs of boost. Doing it manually I can hit 6lbs to 7lbs of boost.

Realize just taking the motor to 5500 isn't going to net any boost. Drop the clutch at 5500 with zero boost is really only going to bog down. If you are luck the motor can pull you to 3000rpm where you can start to make boost. But more often you will have the front end drop and left with a 4cyl with low compression.

Best advise for racing a AWD car that can launch is to stay with it. Most cars with MPH us but give up to easy when we are 4 or 5 cars out on them. I had a S/C GTO give up after 1/4 block because he said I was so far ahead and he roasted the tires. I have no doubt that by 80MPH he would have been coming by me in a hurry but he gave up.

rocksws6
08-13-2008, 10:12 AM
I've never driven an awd vehicle but it seems like it would be easy to launch....rev it high and side step the clutch

Do you know how hard that is on parts? I went through 2 transmissions in my WRX doing that shit. At $5,000 a whack you'll start to reconsider that strategy really quick.

WRX-ERROR
08-13-2008, 11:01 AM
Do you know how hard that is on parts? I went through 2 transmissions in my WRX doing that shit. At $5,000 a whack you'll start to reconsider that strategy really quick.
What the hell were you buying that cost you 5k for a tranny? For 2k you can by an 06/07 STi tranny and don't even need to change the rear.

5k will get you 1-4 PPG gears installed and be near bullet proof.

rocksws6
08-13-2008, 11:14 AM
For the tow, all the internals, labor, clutch and flywheel. It came out to right at mid 4k. The dealership payed for it the first time.

PowershifterNC
08-13-2008, 11:27 AM
I never said I would actually rev it up and dump it..looks like slipping the clutch is the best way to go with a boosted 4

WRX-ERROR
08-13-2008, 11:39 AM
For the tow, all the internals, labor, clutch and flywheel. It came out to right at mid 4k. The dealership payed for it the first time.

Ouch sounds like you put it back to stock. Yeah I could see it costing that much from the dealer.

kevind
08-13-2008, 02:22 PM
dumping the clutch is a terrible way to launch an evo anyway. if you side step the clutch, you are guaranteed to bog off the line, it just doesn't have the torque to do it. generally the best launch is done by a very quick slip of the clutch at high revs (my two step was set for 5800rpm on stock turbo, and now its at 6000rpm for my bigger turbo). i can spin all 4 tires easily with no bog and leave the line extremely hard.

as for reliability doing that, i've got 70k miles, stock motor, stock tranny, all stock axles/driveshafts. an upgraded transfercase (never had a problem with the original one, but i had a great opportunity to get one with an LSD without any down time to send it to to get built. and since it is a common weak point for the evos i wanted to get it done before mine breaks). i've got an ACT clutch which now has almost 50k miles. stock clutch lasted a hair over 20k. the car has never been to the drag strip, but every customer that comes over wants a ride in it so it is beat on regularly. it is also daily driven ~500whp.

nickate
08-13-2008, 05:24 PM
The evo was a POS for a DD... It had NO bottom end grunt ESPECIALLY with 2 kids and the wife with the air on on a mid 90 deg. day!!!

My buddy has a 2.3 stroker and the ddability is much improved with just a little cubic inch!

The evo would launch HARD @5500 but how many times???
I never got in a dig run with the car the whole time I owned it but I cringed each time I launched it!!!

I like my shitty ergo camaro which suits my dd commute well. LOTSA torque.

link138
08-13-2008, 05:32 PM
nice kill, even if he was stock

DiscerningZ32
08-14-2008, 12:04 PM
Good kill if he was stock, and your buddy most likely is an actual ricer or hood winked by the previous owner if he thinks it's cammed.

I've seen 272 cammed evos with a reflash with about 350 to the wheels. Though your friend could suck at driving.

More power to all 4 wheels plus less weight, should = his win with identical drivers.
I'd have to chalk this up as bad driver or duped/lying owner.

Good kill on the EVO either way!!!

Semper91-RS
08-14-2008, 01:06 PM
Kind of stupid to brag about walking an AWD off the line. Common sense tells you that AWD is shit off the line.

nickate
08-14-2008, 01:14 PM
Kind of stupid to brag about walking an AWD off the line. Common sense tells you that AWD is shit off the line.



Captain OBVIOUS says YOU HAVE NEVER DRIVEN ONE!!!!

Keeping the revs up DOES NOT mean you have ANY boost built up...

Turbos boost with a load....

There is a fine line sweet spot between bogging and coming out HARD esp. when you got 272's or a larger turbo.

Go drive one and let us know!!!

PowershifterNC
08-14-2008, 01:48 PM
so you're saying slipping the clutch puts enough load on the engine to build boost and sling it out of the hole?

nickate
08-14-2008, 06:11 PM
so you're saying slipping the clutch puts enough load on the engine to build boost and sling it out of the hole?

I'm not going to try to explain to you how to launch an evo....

Do a search on evolutionm.net....

diambo4life
08-14-2008, 11:23 PM
In my AWD Talon I also don't dump the clutch. One time I got a little greedy did that and broke a rear axle immediately. What I normally do is bring it up to the 2-step (5-5,500rpm) and let it build some boost. I like having about 5-10psi, pre-load the drivetrain and slip the clutch a little bit so the car starts moving a little bit then let the clutch out all the way really fast. It should just squat and take off. It takes awhile to get used to doing it right. There are some people who learn how to launch AWD cars fast others take years. I have gotten numerous 1.62-1.63 60 fts doing it this way on real street tires. I have been racing this car for 6 yrs (600+ passes at the dragstrip) and I have only broken it once launching the car ie. when I broke that axle from dumping the clutch. It's all about technique.

PowershifterNC
08-15-2008, 08:08 AM
I'm not going to try to explain to you how to launch an evo....

Do a search on evolutionm.net....

If I wanted to do a search I wouldn't have posted here..I thought maybe you knew enough to answer it

nickate
08-15-2008, 10:57 AM
If I wanted to do a search I wouldn't have posted here..I thought maybe you knew enough to answer it

Nope...

I've only owned a first gen Talon awd, a first gen Eclipse awd and a '03 Evo.
(And 2 transfer cases from the Talon)

Sorry for not answering your post but the guy above did a great job...

PowershifterNC
08-15-2008, 11:48 AM
speaking of..I seen a talon go 6.75 in the 1/8th last night. I could see this thread in action

diambo4life
08-15-2008, 08:42 PM
What was the MPH?

svodave
08-15-2008, 09:18 PM
I owned 2 Talons- 1 was FWD the other was AWD.

The AWD was good for the first few feet off the line and on rainy days, but the FWD was actually MUCH more fun to drive.