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Nick@HSW
08-29-2008, 02:44 PM
Guys,

I thought that this might be an opportune time to give a few little tid-bits about some "hidden" features on the MicroEDGE unit. Take your time and read through them and if you have any questions on the purpose of the tip/trick or how its done, feel free to ask away! We will be trying to monitor this website as much as possible over the weekend to answer your questions and assist any of those whom still wish to get in on the pre-sale price. Remember the pre-sale ends this Sunday night!! Don't miss out!!

Tips & Tricks
What if I, the user, want to reset all of my settings back to factory spec?
A: Its simple! Instead of having to fumble around with each and every setting the MicroEDGE can do it in seconds. To reset all the settings back to the factory defaults push the MENU & UP ARROW button while powering the MicroEDGE up.

What if I want both stages to activate in a certain gear but I have traction issues?
A: If using both stages and traction is sometimes an issue try setting the TPS triggers to different voltages. Set the first stage voltage a little lower then normal, with the second stage TPS voltage where you would normally set it to. What you can do is if traction becomes an issue with the second stage you can ease a little off the pedal and deactivate the second stage while allowing the first stage to still remain active until you think the second stage can be brought back in, which you can activate it again by giving it a little more pedal.

The above senario is fantastic but I don't want to have to keep resetting different TPS values for each saved file. Is there anything that the MicroEDGE can do for me?
A: Another advantage with the MicroEDGE has over the other window switches out there is that there are 3 seperate saved file settings. Within these 3 files you can save different TPS values, or any other value for that matter and they are all just a button push away!

Well I have decided that I like my current file and I need the same TPS value, or any value for that matter for all 3 of my files.
A: Not a problem! You can copy files with the MicroEDGE controller and change only the values you need to change! The File Copy System can be used to make small changes between files. If there are only a few changes that need to be made copy over the finished file from one to the other, select the newly copied file and make the changes to that.

I was on my way home from the track last night and a fast car blew my doors off because I couldn't see the MicroEDGE to make a file change.
A: All of your settings are saved inside the three files. For a quick visual reference you can set the backlight at different intensities for the different files. An example would be file 1 could have the backlight off; File 2 could have it set to high and so on. This way you can keep the doors on the car and flip between the setting easily.

I didn't know, but my wideband sensor took a dump on me, is there anything that the MicroEDGE can do for me?
A: When using the MicroEDGE with a Wideband O2 Sensor system there is both a Lean turn off set point (Max AFR) and a Rich turn off set point (Min AFR). The Rich turn off point servers two purposes, the first being that the N2O system will deactivate if the A/F Ratio goes too rich, like if your nitrous bottle was empty. The second purpose is to catch a sensor failure. When a wideband O2 sensor starts to fail it will display an overly rich condition that is not present. The MicroEDGE will pick that up and disable the nitrous system until the sensor is replaced. This way the MicroEDGE will only activate the nitrous system if it is seeing a good signal from the wideband O2 system.

I just finished installing my system. I am nervous to try testing it on the open road. Is there anything that the MicroEDGE can do for me?
A: After installing the MicroEDGE you can test the wiring of the nitrous system by setting the RPM to 0, turning off the Leanout Delay to disable the A/F Shut Down and arm the N2O kit. Close the Nitrous bottle and make sure there is no nitrous in any of the hoses. You will only want to do the next step for a second as there will be nothing cooling the coils of the solenoid(s). With the vehicle in accessory mode push down the gas pedal and the solenoid(s) should activate. If the TPS needed to be bypassed it could be set to 0 and the system would then activate as soon as it was armed. Or if you dont' feel comfortable running the solenoids as you're doing this, simply replace them with a test light.

Hopefully you guys can take a few of these tips and tricks and implement them into your system. The instructions will also cover a few additional areas such as correcting any lean spikes etc. If you have any questions please feel free to PM any one of us here at HSW and we'll be sure to get back to you over the weekend! Thanks!

Nick


SuperSlow02
08-29-2008, 04:54 PM
:headbang:cant wait to get it wired in!

Nick@HSW
08-29-2008, 05:44 PM
Shoot us over some pics when its all done!

Nick


JScamaro
08-29-2008, 06:36 PM
When will these ship?

SuperSlow02
08-30-2008, 01:48 AM
I beleive we will receive them first week of sept.

Sure thing nick

MYSTIC-1SC
08-30-2008, 02:08 AM
I can't wait to get mine either, glad to hear your getting one David.

Nick@HSW
08-30-2008, 11:03 AM
Units will be shipping next week! Remember last day is Sunday for pre-orders...Hope you guys are having a good 3 day weekend!!

Nick

usd2sing
08-30-2008, 11:21 AM
good stuff Nick.

SuperSlow02
08-30-2008, 12:01 PM
I can't wait to get mine either, glad to hear your getting one David.

let me know if you need help wiring it in. Im glad i already ordered mine, We found out at the track the MSD switch is causing my problems

highpockets
09-03-2008, 04:01 PM
Any update on units shipping ? I know its only been a couple days,got a couple Mustang guys that need a lesson !

bad6as
09-03-2008, 07:35 PM
I live md there in pa, if they shipped on the 2nd i should get mine on the 4th, its the last pice to my kit, i cant wait !!

SuperSlow02
09-03-2008, 07:55 PM
I called to have my shipping address changed due to work. My Micro Edge hasnt shipped yet. But I ordered last week too

MYSTIC-1SC
09-03-2008, 08:09 PM
hope they get here pretty soon I'm itchin to see how sweet it is, once its all wired in.

bad6as
09-04-2008, 03:38 PM
i called too day. i placed my order for the all out package on the 21st or 22nd. he said they are shipping out the presale units, and that mine has not shipped out yet =(
i wonder how many people ordered this be for i did.

Beaflag VonRathburg
09-04-2008, 05:01 PM
They probably got a bajillion orders on them. It's just going to take a little while.

SuperSlow02
09-04-2008, 06:24 PM
patients is a virtue...

Robert56
09-07-2008, 11:13 AM
Amazing the possibilities of this controller, and am sure more ideas will come.
Robert

MYSTIC-1SC
09-07-2008, 12:01 PM
yea, this is great product for the price, can't wait to get mine delivered

bad6as
09-09-2008, 07:31 PM
yay, i got mine today. started installing but ran out of day light.

SuperSlow02
09-09-2008, 08:34 PM
=( Ive gotta wait till thursday

jmill96Z
09-09-2008, 08:38 PM
You guys will not be disappointed in this thing. It is incredible. Probably one of the easiest installs, and THE most user friendly units on the market. Can't beat the price either.

bad6as
09-11-2008, 04:01 PM
im lost on 2 things.
the trigger setting for the microedge and interface, what do i set each one to?
also in the manuel for the micro edge it says
trigger 1 - tps/wot switch turn on for stage 1
trigger 2 - tps/wot switch turn off for stage 1

but in the walk threw it it says the trigger 1 and trigger 2 is to trigger the 1st and then 2nd stage.
how doees it know when you let off the gas?

SuperSlow02
09-11-2008, 05:28 PM
Got mine in...but no wiring Diagram...I wonder whos fault that could be?????? MATT!!:)

jmill96Z
09-11-2008, 07:27 PM
I think you guys are looking at the TPS voltage triggers. What you do is go to the main screen with the battery on/car not running. Take the pedal to WOT and note the voltage on the screen. This is your trigger value.


Both should be the same value. WOT. Then you get into your timers to run the multiple stages. The MicroEdge knows you let out because the input to the TPS sensor.

jmill96Z
09-11-2008, 07:29 PM
Got mine in...but no wiring Diagram...I wonder whos fault that could be?????? MATT!!:)

Honestly, there's not really a diagram needed. If you got instructions, you should be good to go. But.........for the fun of it let's blame Matt anyways. :D

bad6as
09-11-2008, 07:31 PM
they have it typed wrong then.
trigger 1 and trigger 2

they have it as trigger 1 is turn on for stage 1
trigger 2 they have it as turn off for stage 1

should be trigger 1 turn on stage 1 trigger 2 turn on stage 2

bad6as
09-11-2008, 07:44 PM
i tired to do some testing but i could not get my n20 noid to click. i tried seting the rpm to 0 and also messed with the tps. never got the noid to click. im also using the interface i wonder if that wont let it spray.
but im not sure on 2 settings
Trig Mode on the microedge. do i set it to positive, negative or off
the trigger input seting on the interface (orange section) lt1-ls1 is on but what about the trigger +/- and the trigger pwr switch?

SuperSlow02
09-11-2008, 08:13 PM
:punch:Honestly, there's not really a diagram needed. If you got instructions, you should be good to go. But.........for the fun of it let's blame Matt anyways. :D

Ive got nothing lol, a black box, wiring harness....and a white box

jmill96Z
09-11-2008, 09:02 PM
i tired to do some testing but i could not get my n20 noid to click. i tried seting the rpm to 0 and also messed with the tps. never got the noid to click. im also using the interface i wonder if that wont let it spray.
but im not sure on 2 settings
Trig Mode on the microedge. do i set it to positive, negative or off
the trigger input seting on the interface (orange section) lt1-ls1 is on but what about the trigger +/- and the trigger pwr switch?

Now I'm tracking. You need to decide whether you want it to trigger a positive or a ground. Did you put the red wire on the secondary harness the the ground wire on the relay?

PM Sent

MYSTIC-1SC
09-11-2008, 09:02 PM
I recieved my microedge in the mail today hopefully get it installed in a couple days or so.

bad6as
09-11-2008, 09:05 PM
Now I'm tracking. You need to decide whether you want it to trigger a positive or a ground. Did you put the red wire on the secondary harness the the ground wire on the relay?

PM Sent

tan wire on microedge to blue wire on interface
brown wire from interface to n20 relay ground

Nick@HSW
09-12-2008, 08:34 AM
tan wire on microedge to blue wire on interface
brown wire from interface to n20 relay ground

I think Matt was going back and forth with you in PM's, did you both get it squared away? If not let me know. Thanks.

Nick

Nick@HSW
09-12-2008, 08:35 AM
Got mine in...but no wiring Diagram...I wonder whos fault that could be?????? MATT!!:)

Did you receive the manual inside the box? If not shoot me over your email and I'll get one out asap.

Nick

bad6as
09-12-2008, 04:03 PM
I think Matt was going back and forth with you in PM's, did you both get it squared away? If not let me know. Thanks.

Nick

i think we got it, havent got a chance to set it up yet

bad6as
09-12-2008, 05:08 PM
went out and tried it.
i set the microedge to positive.
on the interface i turned the orange section to this
lt1-ls1 on up
trig power on up
and trig -/+ off down

set the rpm to 0. and lowered the tps so i wouldent have to rev it to much. reved it and the interface "spray" light came on. i could feel the n20 relay click. but couldent feel the n20 noid its self click

jmill96Z
09-12-2008, 09:06 PM
Check the ground from the relay to chassis.

bad6as
09-12-2008, 09:07 PM
the n20 relay ground is hooked to the brown wire on the interface

jmill96Z
09-12-2008, 09:25 PM
Sorry, I meant Noid to the ground

bad6as
09-13-2008, 08:24 AM
its the same ground as the purge. purg works.

SuperSlow02
09-13-2008, 06:42 PM
The MicroEdge is sweet....Great job guys. What did you guys set the RPM pulse to? Mine is set at 2 I beleive, just kept cycling through till it matched my tach :)

bad6as
09-13-2008, 09:47 PM
mine works. i was comparing the n20 noid click to the purg noid click. not sure why the purg is so loud compared to the n20 noid.

but yes my rpm pulse is set at 2 and sensistitivy is at med

jmill96Z
09-13-2008, 11:42 PM
Glad to see you got it worked out.

bad6as
09-13-2008, 11:43 PM
i guess i could tell it to add fuel and see if the motor bogs. right?

SuperSlow02
09-14-2008, 07:11 PM
On your guys trigger values, how much of a drop does it take before the Edge drops back to standby, Mine is set to 4.45 while max is 4.50v. But when I start to let off the throttle it will not go back to standby till 3.85ish. Now granted this is only like 1/4in of pedal travel, but still has me wondering?

bad6as
09-14-2008, 07:17 PM
so wot your at 4.70? then subtract .25 and thats how you get your 4.45 as your trigger
thats how i did mine to. and if you roll in to it some times it triggers around 4.45. then around 4.25 it turns it off.

i raised mine up a tad i think 4.50 or 4.55

SuperSlow02
09-14-2008, 07:51 PM
the instructions said to only subtract if your using Fly by wire. Mines cable driven, So I just used the value given at WOT which was 4.50, but with trigger 1 set at 4.50, it would not trigger, but when I lowered it .05, It would trigger, my problem is it will not return to standby till 3.85ish

bad6as
09-14-2008, 07:53 PM
the instructions said to only subtract if your using Fly by wire. Mines cable driven, So I just used the value given at WOT which was 4.50, but with trigger 1 set at 4.50, it would not trigger, but when I lowered it .05, It would trigger, my problem is it will not return to standby till 3.85ish

i didnt see the fly by wire part. hsw said that the cut off is pre set

SuperSlow02
09-14-2008, 08:13 PM
Ah, guess I overlooked that, I dont think the difference is enough to matter.

bad6as
09-14-2008, 08:18 PM
overlooked what?

SuperSlow02
09-14-2008, 08:21 PM
the shut off being preset. In the manual it indicate that trigger 1 is the on and trigger 2 is the off. Yet in the walk through it seems like trigger 2 controls the 2nd stage...:confused:

bad6as
09-15-2008, 04:03 PM
its gotta be a typo. i was told trigger 1 is for stahe one on. trigger 2 is for stage 2 on. stage 1 and stage 2 are pre set to turn off

SuperSlow02
09-15-2008, 05:32 PM
thats what im figuring. Trigger 2 is deffinently stage 2 on. didnt know the preset off was such a gap

SuperSlow02
09-15-2008, 09:21 PM
and here it is....:D

http://a567.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/15/l_e6075af4589314e7fe49d6325d34d27e.jpg

jmill96Z
09-15-2008, 09:33 PM
Looks good. Where are you permanently mounting it?

SuperSlow02
09-15-2008, 09:46 PM
bouncing around in my glove box :)

Nick@HSW
09-16-2008, 09:44 AM
and here it is....:D

http://a567.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/15/l_e6075af4589314e7fe49d6325d34d27e.jpg


Purty :nod:

jmill96Z
09-16-2008, 10:33 AM
I'll throw some pics of mine up here in a day or 2. Mines mounted on the front of the console. Actually a perfect fit.

SuperSlow02
09-16-2008, 12:06 PM
hmmm, might have to steal that idea from you

bad6as
09-16-2008, 03:23 PM
ill get a pic of mine

bad6as
09-16-2008, 03:32 PM
center console pops off very easy, uses velcrow to hold it there. and also a pice to hold it down on the radio when its covered
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2662/pictureek6.jpg

SuperSlow02
09-16-2008, 05:18 PM
holy shit LS1s came with a tape player?....

bad6as
09-16-2008, 06:06 PM
mines a 98, dut it does have a 12 disk cd changer in the back.
update. got my bottle filled to check for leaks, no leaks found. also tested teh purge with the n20 in the line. had to aim it slightly, didnt want it hiting my hood. Tomorrow its geting tuned, i gotta swap out my injectors for my 42# when i get to the shop. then shoot 100 at it, then 150

bad6as
09-17-2008, 07:49 PM
back from the tuner. 100 shot only made 80 and the 150 only made 130 or so. ill get the exact numbers tomorrow. bottle was full, still has 4lbs in it now. bottle psi was between 900-1000. i know dyno numbers dont mean any thing but i would have liked to see the 100 pick up 100 and same with the 150. one thing i was thinking about on the way home was my ground. i have the purge and n20 noid wired togeather, and then one wire going to the ground by the battery. i also have a few other grounds going there too. mabye another think is the microedge battery voltage with the car running is only showing 13.9v shouldent it be 14.5

SuperSlow02
09-17-2008, 08:05 PM
Thinking the noid wasnt opening all the way?

bad6as
09-17-2008, 08:13 PM
yea, also when i test them or listen to them the purge is way louder then the n20. i wonder is i overheated and messed up the n20 noid trying to hear it click and because it wasent as loud as the purge. and it was on for to long and i didnt think it was

SuperSlow02
09-17-2008, 09:33 PM
Im not sure how to check...

dmoss69
09-26-2008, 11:18 PM
Hey fellas,

I ordered 2 microedges, and finally got one hooked up yesterday on a friends car.

We wired it up, set our windows and triggers, crossed fingers, and let it rip.

IT WORKED FLAWLESSLY!

Turned on during 2nd gear in the rpm window that we commanded it to, turned off at upper RPM settings that we punced in (to protect tranny), and pulled HARD!

I think we have another customer wanting to purchase one now, we'll keep yall up to date on the next installation.

THANKS HSW!!!

dm

bad6as
09-28-2008, 05:28 PM
does any one have a wideband hooked up threw the microedge yet? i bought a plx kit w/o a gauge because the microedge can be use as a gauge (right?)
well any ways i have it all hooked up but when i select plx from the choices it shows my afr as 0. so i tried a couple others and it reads a a/f ratio, whats going on?

the wideband sensor is on the drivers side right after my collector.
power and ground are hooked up, when i unplug it it loses signal so i know there good
the wideband sensor is pluged up to the plx harness and teh harness is pluged in to the plx red box.
the orange wire off the microedge is on the WB spot on the analog on the red box.

any ideas?

SuperSlow02
09-28-2008, 05:38 PM
Is the wideband and microedge grounded together?

bad6as
09-28-2008, 05:38 PM
yea i think so

SuperSlow02
09-28-2008, 05:43 PM
thats the only thing I can think of. They are pretty specific about them being grounded at the same spot

bad6as
09-28-2008, 06:29 PM
my grounds are like this.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3681/groundsib7.png

SuperSlow02
09-28-2008, 06:40 PM
hmmm.....I have no clue, how much was the wideband without the gauge..im interested in a set up like that. I dont want to run a tripple pillar pod. Too ricey for me

bad6as
09-28-2008, 06:41 PM
around 190

SuperSlow02
09-28-2008, 06:43 PM
thats not bad, I was looking at the AEM for 250 with a gauge.. Let me know if you get it lined out

bad6as
09-28-2008, 06:44 PM
will do!

Matt@HSW
09-28-2008, 07:02 PM
PM responded to.

Matt

does any one have a wideband hooked up threw the microedge yet? i bought a plx kit w/o a gauge because the microedge can be use as a gauge (right?)
well any ways i have it all hooked up but when i select plx from the choices it shows my afr as 0. so i tried a couple others and it reads a a/f ratio, whats going on?

the wideband sensor is on the drivers side right after my collector.
power and ground are hooked up, when i unplug it it loses signal so i know there good
the wideband sensor is pluged up to the plx harness and teh harness is pluged in to the plx red box.
the orange wire off the microedge is on the WB spot on the analog on the red box.

any ideas?

bad6as
09-28-2008, 07:12 PM
you got one back

Matt@HSW
09-28-2008, 10:29 PM
You have another one.

Matt

you got one back

Matt@HSW
09-28-2008, 10:31 PM
For anyone else using the PLX SM-AFR we'll have to do a profile for it, but the scaling is the same as the AEM gauge, so you can use that profile with the sm-afr.

Matt

Nick@HSW
09-29-2008, 10:08 AM
You're welcome! Glad we could be a part of your build. Thanks.

Nick

Hey fellas,

I ordered 2 microedges, and finally got one hooked up yesterday on a friends car.

We wired it up, set our windows and triggers, crossed fingers, and let it rip.

IT WORKED FLAWLESSLY!

Turned on during 2nd gear in the rpm window that we commanded it to, turned off at upper RPM settings that we punced in (to protect tranny), and pulled HARD!

I think we have another customer wanting to purchase one now, we'll keep yall up to date on the next installation.

THANKS HSW!!!

dm

Caribe
10-02-2008, 03:09 AM
Any of you use the microedge with a zex box yet? I was wondering if you have to use the tps of the microedge to have it work. The zex box itself has a tps hook up.

bad6as
10-02-2008, 07:38 AM
i think i would use the tps on the microedge

Nick@HSW
10-02-2008, 09:18 AM
Any of you use the microedge with a zex box yet? I was wondering if you have to use the tps of the microedge to have it work. The zex box itself has a tps hook up.

I have matt working on it right now. You should have an answer later today. Thanks.

Nick

Caribe
10-07-2008, 09:27 AM
With wires connected according to the diagram you sent me, I ended up connecting the TPS switch on the microedge. I still cannot get it to fire the noids with the Window set to 0, leanout-off. When the nitrous is armed..it goes from "standby" to "armed". When the tps voltage passes the set trigger it displays "trigger". I sent you an email also. I will be checking everything over tomorrow, hopefully it will stop raining here.

Matt@HSW
10-08-2008, 12:13 PM
It won't fire the solenoids with version 1.0.0, you will have to set the RPM a value and/or have the vehicle running to test the system.

Thanks,
Matt

With wires connected according to the diagram you sent me, I ended up connecting the TPS switch on the microedge. I still cannot get it to fire the noids with the Window set to 0, leanout-off. When the nitrous is armed..it goes from "standby" to "armed". When the tps voltage passes the set trigger it displays "trigger". I sent you an email also. I will be checking everything over tomorrow, hopefully it will stop raining here.

ls1redline
10-09-2008, 12:46 PM
Ive got my entire dry plate kit with interface and microedge 80% installed. Need to hook up nitrous relay, wire the noids, tap the IAT sensor, and microedge to relay ground. Very interested to see how this setup works together. A little nervous on whether all my setting will be accurate.

Matt I am contimplating ordering the PLX afr module today. Can you explain or pm me how I can use the microedge as the display. I read the post about creating a profile but how does that work. Thanks guys. Extremely please with HSW customer service!!!

Nick@HSW
10-09-2008, 12:59 PM
Ive got my entire dry plate kit with interface and microedge 80% installed. Need to hook up nitrous relay, wire the noids, tap the IAT sensor, and microedge to relay ground. Very interested to see how this setup works together. A little nervous on whether all my setting will be accurate.

Matt I am contimplating ordering the PLX afr module today. Can you explain or pm me how I can use the microedge as the display. I read the post about creating a profile but how does that work. Thanks guys. Extremely please with HSW customer service!!!

What you're going to do is simply use the AEM gauge setting. When Matt says profile, he means on our end we will be adding an additional dedicated setting for the PLX. Sorry for the confusion! Thanks.

Nick

bad6as
10-09-2008, 03:37 PM
Ive got my entire dry plate kit with interface and microedge 80% installed. Need to hook up nitrous relay, wire the noids, tap the IAT sensor, and microedge to relay ground. Very interested to see how this setup works together. A little nervous on whether all my setting will be accurate.

Matt I am contimplating ordering the PLX afr module today. Can you explain or pm me how I can use the microedge as the display. I read the post about creating a profile but how does that work. Thanks guys. Extremely please with HSW customer service!!!


i have the plx afr and the microedge. the orange wire hooks up to the gray wire on the plx on the wb spot. and set the microedge to the aem setting

ls1redline
10-10-2008, 09:48 AM
Ok guys looks like Ive decided to go with the NGK AFX wideband. Did some research and this is a very very good controllers and sensor besides the fact I can get it at wholsale pricing. Next question would be how to set it up with the micro edge? Thanks for all your help. Hope im not a beating asking all these questions haha