z28camaro1090

I am up in the air weather i want to do long tubes or shorty headers. what will the difference in power be? and i was looking at pacesetter lts are theses are they any good?

lt1 hawk

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Pacesetters are great, especially on a budget. In a perfect world, everyone would have Kooks, but we all can't afford that. I am not sure why you would go with shorties at. I am pretty sure you can still be smog legal with mid length, though do your research. I don't have to worry about it, I am never going to be smogged again, 95s and prior in IL don't require it. If you are looking at long tubes, I would look hard at LPP long tubes, a few guys have had success with them, and they are basically Kooks rip offs. It might just be wishful thinking on my part though because I just ordered the LPPs a few days ago. If you get Pacesetters, get the ceramics, I have heard bad things about the painted ones, but again, do your research.

James Montigny

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LT's will perform MUCH better than shorties.
The problem is that they displace the Catalytic converter, which will sometimes get you in trouble if your
state requires inspections. They tend to hang a little lower than a stock Y pipe (larger tubing), which can
be an issue of you are lowered.

Hooker, Pacesetter, LPP, Kooks ... lots of options depending on your budget.

You can either run a Y pipe or extend dual pipes out to the muffler(s).

Elliott's94Z

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If you want to meet in the middle look into some Mac Mid length headers.

97Z28LT1

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If you aren't worried about emissions, get the LTs. I have coated Hooker SuperComps with Stage 8 locking bolts and haven't had any problems.

1989GTA

A good set of shorty headers can approach the power of long tubes. Regarding headers getting the right pipe diameter correct is more important than length.

Here is the order of importance on exhaust systems.

1. Collector pipe length.
2. Collector pipe diameter.
3. Header pipe diameter.
4. Header pipe length.

infinitebird

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go long or go home

NHRAMAN

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Long tubes have more sound also.

lt1 hawk

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I say go with a good mid length (like Mac Mid) if you are worried about the emissions crap.

Fixxer99TA

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Longtubes for no emissions restrictions, Mids if you need to keep that cat where its at.

LTs do sound much better

SoxXpupPeT

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i went mids because i like ground clearance. but i woulda went long tubes if it wasnt going to be as much of a hassle. shorties are worthless

James Montigny

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I had Mac mids a few years back, they worked nice and I was able to keep emissions equipment.
I later switched to Hooker jet-coated LTs and the difference was like night and day.

And yes, LTs (especially catless) will make the car much louder and slightly smellier(sp?) for the poor bastard behind you LOL

954mula

Pacesetters coated LT's are the best bang for the buck IMO. Wish I had got them on long before I did.

lt1 hawk

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**** em! That's what I say. I am temporarily living in California, and all these tree hugging liberals can suck my dick...

ahem, sorry folks. I get a little excited sometimes.

firebird_fury

I have the MAC midlengths and am going to convert to Pacesetter longtubes soon. The MAC's are good but, I want the sound of LT's

Fixxer99TA

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Dont worry, I feel the same way sometimes...

Fast93Z

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i have rk sports which are basically knock-offs of AS&M headers and i love them but i am now doing a true dual setup so im selling the headers if anyone is interested, they are ceramic coated but have been painted for cosmetics and to keep rust off, if i could do true duals with these headers i would, they made so much more low end torque than lt's in my opinion, but yeah if you want to get shorties i would buy something like these 300 shipped, but if you want the lt route get pacesetters they are the best bang for ur buck

tspence45

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Definately go with LT's. I had some Edelbrock TES headers (shorties) with no cat, and a Flowmaster 80 series up until a couple weeks ago. I noticed a huge difference in power and sound when I switched to my LT's, x-pipe, and single chambers. If you're going to do it, do it right the first time. Shorties are a waste of money

lt1-xjs

I agree.

BOLO

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IMO, shorties are just a"warm over" the stock exhaust manifold. Been there, and a waste of money.

Eventually, you'll want more power in the future. Get LONG TUBES.