How is this possible?
09-15-2008, 05:49 PM
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How is this possible? http://videos.streetfire.net/video/B...-on_183131.htm
how can a 3000lb sedan run high 9s at 144mph, (while being manually shifted) using a turbo 4 cyl on PUMP GAS!
Originally when I heard about it I was like whatever hes probably injecting so much meth/alcohol with that pump gas that its probably bullshit but he says hes using no additive.. I just dont see how it adds up.
how can a 3000lb sedan run high 9s at 144mph, (while being manually shifted) using a turbo 4 cyl on PUMP GAS!
Originally when I heard about it I was like whatever hes probably injecting so much meth/alcohol with that pump gas that its probably bullshit but he says hes using no additive.. I just dont see how it adds up.
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09-16-2008, 12:05 AM
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Buschur Racing and AMS Performance are far and away the two nastiest EVO/DSM tuning shops in the USA. The quickest and highest quality cars come from those two shops. Routinely motors are laying down 900-1000whp before nitrous is added, not bad for a 2.0-2.4L!
09-16-2008, 02:13 AM
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Where is his shop out of? I've been thinking a lot lately of buying one and would like to get some extra power out of it with good reliability. It seems thats the guy to do it if anyone.
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09-16-2008, 04:38 AM
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Lets not forget Mr. Shepard. 
That dude is just badass!! His Talon goes 7.70's @ 19xmph with an all boost 2.0L (no stroker here, just 55psi 
). He has had the true sleeper of the group since the beginning. 
2005:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30A88rDlzmE
2006:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwNzb...eature=related
7.701 pass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTJj-...eature=related
That dude is just badass!! His Talon goes 7.70's @ 19xmph with an all boost 2.0L (no stroker here, just 55psi ). He has had the true sleeper of the group since the beginning. 2005:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30A88rDlzmE
2006:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwNzb...eature=related
7.701 pass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTJj-...eature=related
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09-16-2008, 09:17 AM
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Dont get me wrong Shepards passes are impressive but everyone knows what a race car pushing nearly 60lbs of boost can do (jesh thats almost turbo deisel numbers). And we all know what kind of results you would get if you built a V8 the same way.
Honestly I know imports can be fast. On race gas they can be fast as hell, especially with all the tricks that have been developed to spool huge turbos.
On pump gas though usually they are way out of the efficiency range of their turbo plus they can only push so much boost because of the pump gas. Only a few pounds of boost plus a small engine can usually only create so much power...or so I thought. Add on the fact that this isnt some 1800lb hatch and they arent spraying any alcohol/meth I am still just trying to figure it out.
On race gas I have no problem believing those times.. its the pump gas times that are really blowing my mind.
Honestly I think even in our community (and we deff think we're faster than 4cyls) we would find it very difficult to run those times/traps on pump gas with a t56.
Honestly I know imports can be fast. On race gas they can be fast as hell, especially with all the tricks that have been developed to spool huge turbos.
On pump gas though usually they are way out of the efficiency range of their turbo plus they can only push so much boost because of the pump gas. Only a few pounds of boost plus a small engine can usually only create so much power...or so I thought. Add on the fact that this isnt some 1800lb hatch and they arent spraying any alcohol/meth I am still just trying to figure it out.
On race gas I have no problem believing those times.. its the pump gas times that are really blowing my mind.
Honestly I think even in our community (and we deff think we're faster than 4cyls) we would find it very difficult to run those times/traps on pump gas with a t56.
09-16-2008, 12:26 PM
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Dont get me wrong Shepards passes are impressive but everyone knows what a race car pushing nearly 60lbs of boost can do (jesh thats almost turbo deisel numbers). And we all know what kind of results you would get if you built a V8 the same way.
Honestly I know imports can be fast. On race gas they can be fast as hell, especially with all the tricks that have been developed to spool huge turbos.
On pump gas though usually they are way out of the efficiency range of their turbo plus they can only push so much boost because of the pump gas. Only a few pounds of boost plus a small engine can usually only create so much power...or so I thought. Add on the fact that this isnt some 1800lb hatch and they arent spraying any alcohol/meth I am still just trying to figure it out.
On race gas I have no problem believing those times.. its the pump gas times that are really blowing my mind.
Honestly I think even in our community (and we deff think we're faster than 4cyls) we would find it very difficult to run those times/traps on pump gas with a t56.
Honestly I know imports can be fast. On race gas they can be fast as hell, especially with all the tricks that have been developed to spool huge turbos.
On pump gas though usually they are way out of the efficiency range of their turbo plus they can only push so much boost because of the pump gas. Only a few pounds of boost plus a small engine can usually only create so much power...or so I thought. Add on the fact that this isnt some 1800lb hatch and they arent spraying any alcohol/meth I am still just trying to figure it out.
On race gas I have no problem believing those times.. its the pump gas times that are really blowing my mind.
Honestly I think even in our community (and we deff think we're faster than 4cyls) we would find it very difficult to run those times/traps on pump gas with a t56.
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09-16-2008, 01:44 PM
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I, too, am skeptical... An EVO running tons of boost can go nines of course...
But, on pump gas? He's running a full accessory, full interior EVO that has to be making over 650 awhp to trap that high IMO... The question is how is he making that power on pump gas and from what I've heard no meth either on a 2.0L?
It is hard to believe.
But, on pump gas? He's running a full accessory, full interior EVO that has to be making over 650 awhp to trap that high IMO... The question is how is he making that power on pump gas and from what I've heard no meth either on a 2.0L?
It is hard to believe.
09-16-2008, 03:00 PM
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It's called tuning, say it with me, TOO-NING. 
Buschur tunes cars for a living, you don't think his personal beater would have the best tune of any car he's ever worked on? Buschur has no reason to fib or make up claims of pump, when he's really running race gas or meth. If it came straight out of his mouth, one of the most reputable Evo guys in the US, then until further proof is put on the table then I see a 9 second pump gas 4 banger.
Then again, who knows how safe the tune actually is? I'm sure there isn't room for error of any kind, but then again who cares when you have money?
Buschur tunes cars for a living, you don't think his personal beater would have the best tune of any car he's ever worked on? Buschur has no reason to fib or make up claims of pump, when he's really running race gas or meth. If it came straight out of his mouth, one of the most reputable Evo guys in the US, then until further proof is put on the table then I see a 9 second pump gas 4 banger. Then again, who knows how safe the tune actually is? I'm sure there isn't room for error of any kind, but then again who cares when you have money?
09-16-2008, 05:32 PM
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It's called tuning, say it with me, TOO-NING. Buschur tunes cars for a living, you don't think his personal beater would have the best tune of any car he's ever worked on? Buschur has no reason to fib or make up claims of pump, when he's really running race gas or meth. If it came straight out of his mouth, one of the most reputable Evo guys in the US, then until further proof is put on the table then I see a 9 second pump gas 4 banger.
Then again, who knows how safe the tune actually is? I'm sure there isn't room for error of any kind, but then again who cares when you have money?
Buschur tunes cars for a living, you don't think his personal beater would have the best tune of any car he's ever worked on? Buschur has no reason to fib or make up claims of pump, when he's really running race gas or meth. If it came straight out of his mouth, one of the most reputable Evo guys in the US, then until further proof is put on the table then I see a 9 second pump gas 4 banger. Then again, who knows how safe the tune actually is? I'm sure there isn't room for error of any kind, but then again who cares when you have money?
But if you can't sympathize with some of us that this is ATYPICAL and definitely hard to believe, then tell me how the view is on your high horse.
This may be the first four banger over 3k lbs EVER to be in the nines on pump gas... There are 800 rwhp Supras on race gas that'd never catch this car...
The claim, true or not, is BOLD!
09-16-2008, 08:12 PM
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It's called tuning, say it with me, TOO-NING. Buschur tunes cars for a living, you don't think his personal beater would have the best tune of any car he's ever worked on? Buschur has no reason to fib or make up claims of pump, when he's really running race gas or meth. If it came straight out of his mouth, one of the most reputable Evo guys in the US, then until further proof is put on the table then I see a 9 second pump gas 4 banger.
Then again, who knows how safe the tune actually is? I'm sure there isn't room for error of any kind, but then again who cares when you have money?
Buschur tunes cars for a living, you don't think his personal beater would have the best tune of any car he's ever worked on? Buschur has no reason to fib or make up claims of pump, when he's really running race gas or meth. If it came straight out of his mouth, one of the most reputable Evo guys in the US, then until further proof is put on the table then I see a 9 second pump gas 4 banger. Then again, who knows how safe the tune actually is? I'm sure there isn't room for error of any kind, but then again who cares when you have money?
I say the heads on that engine are hand ported and have tons of hours in them, the exhaust manifolds are custom, the cams are custom speced.. the turbo is dual ball bearing.. basically a lot of custom work done.. thats the only thing I can think of. That being said I've seen that sort of money be put into a 4 banger several times before only for it to not perform much better.