Street Racing & Kill Stories - Mustang GT/CS?

So turns out there is another type of Mustang I didn't know was out there. I swear Ford makes more Mustang variations than some companies make unique cars.

I was coming back from the grocery with a friend and a trunk full of food, so my 4 door was living up to its grocery getter role. Cruising down the left lane I cruise past a black Mustang 'Vert. As I'm going past I see "Mustang GT/CS" painted on the side. I got the typical GXP reaction. The guy ignores me until I'm past him by a few lengths and suddenly he notices my exhausts and V8 badge. All of sudden the Mustang goes from cruising sedately in the right lane to swerving into the left lane and screaming after me, gets right up on my ass, which is annoying since there is a SUV in front of me so I'm not exactly able to go WOT.

The big bad Mustang actually manages to fuck up the merge when our lane ends, gets cut off hard by an Accent. Eventually he gets around it and comes screaming back up the left lane to catch up to me again. I move a lane to the right to give him a chance to line his mirrors up with mine, since we have open road in front of us. I've never even heard of a GT/CS so I'm hoping he'll give me a real race.

He goes for the flyby instead. I'm ready, sitting in third and punch the gas as his front bumper reachs my tail one. He's going faster and gets up to the point where my front bumper is level with his rear tire, then I start to walk back up. I can seem him watching me in his mirror, his mouth coming open as I walk up. I get our mirrors lined up, ease up on the pedal, look over at him, give him a big smile and then go WOT. He is just staring at my four and me like "WTF......". His mouth was half open and he was actually drifting over onto the far left shoulder because he was just staring at me in pure shock. His expression made my day. We were both doing 92 when I hit it. I take it up to 120 and he is gone. My passenger is looking out the rear window and saw him hit the rumble strip and swerve back hard so he ends up half in the left lane and half in the middle lane. The guy was so tripped out by a 4 door 'Prix walking him he almost ran off the road :D. I didn't see him go over but I did look in my mirror when my passenger started yelling and saw him kick up a cloud of dirt off the shoulder and oversteer.

I slowed it back down to give him an opening to line the mirrors up and run a real race, but he did another flyby. I let him go the second time. I decided not to play with him anymore since he might drift right next time, which would suck for me.

I just love the expression on people's faces when a 4 door dusts their Mustang.

According to Google the CS is just an appearance package for the GT, so I didn't beat anything special, which is a little sad but hey you take what you can get. The best thing I had before this 'Stang was a 240SX with a fart can revving at me.

Does anyone know if the CS had any little tweaks from Shelby under the hood or is Google correct and it was just an appearance package?

It's just an appearance package. They get: Side scoops, front/rear bumper, fake gas cap that says "GT/CS", side stripe that says, you guessed it, "GT/CS", polished exhaust tips, and probably some interior stuff marked "GT/CS". Plus a few grand extra in markup. They've been making GT/CS's since the 60's, and charging people extra for them since then too.

Say what you want about Ford, but they know how to make an extra buck or two pumping out endless special editions.

It's just an appearance package. They get: Side scoops, front/rear bumper, fake gas cap that says "GT/CS", side stripe that says, you guessed it, "GT/CS", polished exhaust tips, and probably some interior stuff marked "GT/CS". Plus a few grand extra in markup. They've been making GT/CS's since the 60's, and charging people extra for them since then too.

Say what you want about Ford, but they know how to make an extra buck or two pumping out endless special editions.

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Also, CS=California Special

^^^^^^^ Agreed, kid who lives near me has one and thinks his shit doesn't stink...

good kill, & yeaa it's just an appearance package. Nothing to special either

Nothing too special performance-wise, but definitely easy on the eyes :nod:

What is next for the Stang? The GTR-500/CS/Rouschcharged/Saleen/ Commemorative Edition GT V-6.

Also, CS=California Special[/QUOTE]

Yeah i heard it was called that. I also heard that it had extra emissions stuff on it for California. There is a maroon here in town, I've thought about messing with it but I can never catch it out. But anyway, OP, good job and keep on bein careful.

Thanks guy.

I wish the GT/CS had a little something extra under the hood. All it really seems like is the boy kit, as cool as it looks, adds extra drag and slows the car down!

There's one here in town with a hockey stripe/BOSS? on the side. It has CHI-TURBO on the spot where I guess it would say Boss. I think I've seen CHI-turbo was a hair product or something, maybe akin to nap-away?

Ford has the marketing thing down pat, because who else can sell so many different versions of the same car and over 90% of them are somewhere in the vicinity of slow

they are doing pretty good then...the customers still buy them. even if they are "slow".

Alot of people that buy mustangs dont know much about cars they just buy what they think looks good. Most of them have no idea what fast is, for example my bros friend has a 2001 mustang gt with cat back exhaust and intake, and he thinks he can beat me, I never even wasted my time. One day he let me drive it, the car was slow a shit, one thing it did have tho was it was pretty solid, no mysterious noises, and a really smooth motor. Another friend of mine has a 97 mustang with a cat back exhaust and intake and thinks he's pushing 300whp:eyes:(probably closer to 210whp), he said if it was a stick he would beat me. There are guys that do know what they are talking about but you usually have to go to mustang meets to find them.

Edit: at least with my experiances

lol...guy with the 97 knows nothing...he has a non pi motor. slow.

lol...guy with the 97 knows nothing...he has a non pi motor. slow.

+1


and probably not even breaking 200 being an auto. :eyes:

It's just an appearance package. They get: Side scoops, front/rear bumper, fake gas cap that says "GT/CS", side stripe that says, you guessed it, "GT/CS", polished exhaust tips, and probably some interior stuff marked "GT/CS". Plus a few grand extra in markup. They've been making GT/CS's since the 60's, and charging people extra for them since then too.

Say what you want about Ford, but they know how to make an extra buck or two pumping out endless special editions.

Ford is smart. People who buy ford mustangs like the GT/CS are just morons. They make that extra buck off retards who spend extra money on something like a "poney package" instead of going for the GT.... wow

Most of them have no idea what fast is...

So what do you think is fast? "Fast" is all relative. It's based on each
person's individual experiences. Fast to me is an 8 second street car
or a 6 second race car.

Ford is smart. People who buy ford mustangs like the GT/CS are just morons. They make that extra buck off retards who spend extra money on something like a "poney package" instead of going for the GT.... wow

The "Pony Package" actually upgrades the performance on the V6 somewhat. some of the GT's suspension components as well as the fogs in the grille.

The "Pony Package" actually upgrades the performance on the V6 somewhat. some of the GT's suspension components as well as the fogs in the grille.

ya i just dont understand. i talked to a guy who paid 27k for a pony pack v6 mustang. it sound dumb to me cause my local dealer priced me a brand new gt for 23,544

Ford is smart. People who buy ford mustangs like the GT/CS are just morons. They make that extra buck off retards who spend extra money on something like a "poney package" instead of going for the GT.... wow

Um... WS6 was significantly more than the base Trans Am (as is the SS to the Z28), but people bought those. Are they morons too?

Um... WS6 was significantly more than the base Trans Am (as is the SS to the Z28), but people bought those. Are they morons too?

don't the ss and ws6 have upgrades to suspension too though?

yes and they look better..but the point is you can take a z28 or gt and get out a lot less making it how you want to. Yes ford is smart and some of us are just gullible and like to jump on bandwagons..I for one jumped on the ls1 bandwagon after I fell off of the 5.0 mustang bandwagon...lol

actully ford makes all kinds of cute little names like the "King of the road", the "Terminater", but the GT/CS is a ackronym they have for GT cok sucker


not being an asshole my friend drives one thats what we call it just coldnt resist throwing it out there

don't the ss and ws6 have upgrades to suspension too though?

Not enough to justify the price difference. There is less of a difference between the SS/WS6 and the Z28/Trans Am than there is the new Bullitt and regular GT.

Any "special", "performance", "limited", edition vehicle never has the upgrades to justify its price. The value of the vehicle is based not only on those parts, but on the development time that went into the vehicle and/or the uniqueness that comes from having a different name or trim level (Z28, SS, WS6, Cobra, etc).

It is always cheaper to build your own since you pay for:

-parts
-R & D time
-name

On the flip side one assumes that say a ZR1 is less likely to explode than some C6 Corvette I grabbed and slapped a supercharger onto, since hopefully GM spent a lot of time on R & D and made sure all the parts on it would hold up, whereas the car I assembled in my garage is likely not a 100% perfect design.

So yeah, every special edition out there costs more than just the cost of the extra parts in it.

Um... WS6 was significantly more than the base Trans Am (as is the SS to the Z28), but people bought those. Are they morons too?

+1 but the ws6 and ss came with different sway bars and different intakes, different exhaust but its not worth the extra bump in price

So what do you think is fast? "Fast" is all relative. It's based on each
person's individual experiences. Fast to me is an 8 second street car
or a 6 second race car.

no you gotta talk about what most people have and compare it to that, a mid 12 sec. street car is fast, most cars on the street dont do that, also it depends on what class car it is, for the pony car class it should be at least doing low 13s to be called fast.

8 sec. is fast to you in a street car:eyes:

Um... WS6 was significantly more than the base Trans Am (as is the SS to the Z28), but people bought those. Are they morons too?

No. We're just pimps. A lot of people who don't own an LS1 don't realize they're (TA/Z28/WS6/SS) pretty much the same in a straight line.. I don't tell them otherwise. WS6 > the speed of light.

no you gotta talk about what most people have and compare it to that, a mid 12 sec. street car is fast, most cars on the street dont do that, also it depends on what class car it is, for the pony car class it should be at least doing low 13s to be called fast.

8 sec. is fast to you in a street car:eyes:

A 12 second street car is not fast. I guess if you are used to driving a Prius it would seem fast to you. I'm not trying to be a dick but like Unit said, fast is realitive to your experience. If you drive a 10 second car frequently then it would take a 8 or 9 second car to seem fast to you.

no you gotta talk about what most people have and compare it to that, a mid 12 sec. street car is fast, most cars on the street dont do that, also it depends on what class car it is, for the pony car class it should be at least doing low 13s to be called fast.

8 sec. is fast to you in a street car:eyes:

A 12 second street car is not fast. I guess if you are used to driving a Prius it would seem fast to you. I'm not trying to be a dick but like Unit said, fast is realitive to your experience. If you drive a 10 second car frequently then it would take a 8 or 9 second car to seem fast to you.

I agree with all three of you......just depends on how you look at it.

A 12 second street car is not fast. I guess if you are used to driving a Prius it would seem fast to you. I'm not trying to be a dick but like Unit said, fast is realitive to your experience. If you drive a 10 second car frequently then it would take a 8 or 9 second car to seem fast to you.

but how many people have ever driven a 9 sec car? You compare it to what the norm is. Hes right in some ways but its just like say you can bench 350pounds, your still strong even if theres people that can rep. 650 pound. You know?

well most cars aren't high 13 or low 14. and thats definitely not fast.

but how many people have ever driven a 9 sec car? You compare it to what the norm is. Hes right in some ways but its just like say you can bench 350pounds, your still strong even if theres people that can rep. 650 pound. You know?

That depends on the demographic you are referring to. General population not many, members of LS1tech probably quite a few. A nine second street car is a lot more common than it was 24 years ago when I started driving and modding cars.

That depends on the demographic you are referring to. General population not many, members of LS1tech probably quite a few. A nine second street car is a lot more common than it was 24 years ago when I started driving and modding cars.

well of course your talking about a performance web site, I am talking general street cars. Thats what your street car is going to be compared with.

well most cars aren't high 13 or low 14. and thats definitely not fast.

no but I would call that quick but I am comparing to most street cars. With new cars now thats becoming slower and slower

yea I believe the new accord runs high 13's. Who would have ever thought?

more like low 14's...but still not bad.

that was v8 territory not to long ago

kinda rewinding here, but another reason for spending extra for a ws6/ss/gt-C-ock S-ucker, or shelby gt, is for the better resale value. I mean look even now at SS camaros, and z28s I see LS1 z28s going for 8 grand left and right. However SS are rarely under 12gs maybe ocasionally find a beat SS for 10grand, but the point is having a limited production vehicle produces a higher resale.

I am just assuming it is the same for mustang special edition cars but I am not positive

kinda rewinding here, but another reason for spending extra for a ws6/ss/gt-C-ock S-ucker, or shelby gt, is for the better resale value. I mean look even now at SS camaros, and z28s I see LS1 z28s going for 8 grand left and right. However SS are rarely under 12gs maybe ocasionally find a beat SS for 10grand, but the point is having a limited production vehicle produces a higher resale.

I am just assuming it is the same for mustang special edition cars but I am not positive

YOu can pick up a lightly modded mach for 15-18k on the registry. (more at a dealer or ebay of course).

Supply and demand...is part of it.

no you gotta talk about what most people have and compare it to that

I completely disagree.

a mid 12 sec. street car is fast

See above.


most cars on the street dont do that, also it depends on what class car it is, for the pony car class it should be at least doing low 13s to be called fast.

Don't you find it a little hypocritical that you're calling your friend
a dumbass (basically) for thinking he can beat you in his slow car
while yours isn't much faster. When comparing your car to performance
cars, it's slow. That's just the way it is. You said yourself above that
low 13's are fast. **Newsflash** low 13's are nowhere near fast.


8 sec. is fast to you in a street car:eyes:

Yes it is. Ten second street cars are slow to me. It's all relative.

I completely disagree.



See above.



Don't you find it a little hypocritical that you're calling your friend
a dumbass (basically) for thinking he can beat you in his slow car
while yours isn't much faster. When comparing your car to performance
cars, it's slow. That's just the way it is. You said yourself above that
low 13's are fast. **Newsflash** low 13's are nowhere near fast.



Yes it is. Ten second street cars are slow to me. It's all relative.


Well you can put it that way, you say dumb ass, I say ignorant. My car is at least a full second faster than his car in the quarter I'd say thats a pretty big difference. He's never even driven nor does he know anything about my f-bodies let alone lsx. Hell I probably know more than him about mustangs. I said mid 12s is fast. And like I said earlier with my weight lifting analogy, if you can bench 350 pound you still strong even if theres guys that rep with 650LBs.

If I fly a jet, by your logic, then no cars could ever possibly be fast or take G's.

Being slow and FEELING slow are two different things. To you a 10 sec. car may feel slow(Mr. Badass) but its still fast

"most cars on the street dont do that, also it depends on what class car it is, for the pony car class it should be at least doing low 13s to be called fast."-me

in this quote I was referring to stock cars.

Being slow and FEELING slow are two different things. To you a 10 sec. car may feel slow(Mr. Badass) but its still fast

"Mr. Badass"...I like that. ;) :lol:

Yes, 10 seconds cars are slow to me. That must be hard for you to grasp.
In my eyes, you are very similar to your friend with the Mustang who
thinks he's fast. I, on the other hand, know that my car is slow. :nod:
I find that extremely ironic.

Get my point?

"Mr. Badass"...I like that. ;) :lol:

Yes, 10 seconds cars are slow to me. That must be hard for you to grasp.
In my eyes, you are very similar to your friend with the Mustang who
thinks he's fast. I, on the other hand, know that my car is slow. :nod:
I find that extremely ironic.

Get my point?

Well, while I mostly agree with you, 10 sec street cars cars are not slow. Not fast, but they aren't slow.

You guys are bickering about semantics like little school girls. All your cars are slow. Mine too. No real performance guy is going to be happy until his car accelerates to the point of turning your brain into mush. So shut up about it already

No real performance guy is going to be happy until his car accelerates to the point of turning your brain into mush.

LOL. Amen to that!

Anything faster than a 10 sec car is close to not being a STREET CAR in the first place.
Get over yourself; yes we all know you have the fastest car ever blah blah blah.
Back to the OP my buddy bought GT/CS and is sure it is faster than a normal GT.lol
I had a kid in a CS try to race me one day and before we started he told me the CS came with a supercharger. I was cracking up in his face told him he was wrong and put a couple buses on him. He was sooooooo clueless.

"Mr. Badass"...I like that. ;) :lol:

Yes, 10 seconds cars are slow to me. That must be hard for you to grasp.
In my eyes, you are very similar to your friend with the Mustang who
thinks he's fast. I, on the other hand, know that my car is slow. :nod:
I find that extremely ironic.

Get my point?

I understand all that but I was saying..... ah fuck it I'm done! This is going no where :engarde: but it helped me pass my boring day at work by!:nod:

Good kill damn dude I never knew those grocery getters were that FAST:lol:

You guys are bickering about semantics like little school girls. All your cars are slow. Mine too. No real performance guy is going to be happy until his car accelerates to the point of turning your brain into mush. So shut up about it already
I agree with that too. :D
Anything faster than a 10 sec car is close to not being a STREET CAR in the first place.
Get over yourself; yes we all know you have the fastest car ever blah blah blah.
Back to the OP my buddy bought GT/CS and is sure it is faster than a normal GT.lol
I had a kid in a CS try to race me one day and before we started he told me the CS came with a supercharger. I was cracking up in his face told him he was wrong and put a couple buses on him. He was sooooooo clueless.
Um yeah...he's way off. BUT, I've spoken with some CS owners and some actually believe that. It's funny as hell.

My favorite was a guy at a car meet who told me the "CS" in his GT/CS stood for Carroll Shelby.

Anything faster than a 10 sec car is close to not being a STREET CAR in the first place.

I sort of agree with this, but it all depends on your definition of what a street car is. Anyone can get an inspection sticker from a buddy, so that doesn't mean dick. To me a street car is a daily driver or a weekend car with a full interior, or close to it. Once you start gutting the interior, removing the AC, running slicks, and only bringing the car out to race, it's not really a street car anymore... just my opinion.

Have a guy i work with that has a CS/GT and it's funny cause i have tried to bring up the race convo a few times and he won't give me the time of day like i dont even have a chance. Good looking car though.

My favorite was a guy at a car meet who told me the "CS" in his GT/CS stood for Carroll Shelby.
:lol: now that's funny.
Have a guy i work with that has a CS/GT and it's funny cause i have tried to bring up the race convo a few times and he won't give me the time of day like i dont even have a chance. Good looking car though. You'd rip him a new one. assuming he's lightly bolt on at best.

"Mr. Badass"...I like that. ;) :lol:

Yes, 10 seconds cars are slow to me. That must be hard for you to grasp.
In my eyes, you are very similar to your friend with the Mustang who
thinks he's fast. I, on the other hand, know that my car is slow. :nod:
I find that extremely ironic.

Get my point?

Now I feel like an ass. Mid 12's to me on the street is fast as hell. So I guess what they have been saying is true. Being fast is relative to each individual, what is fast to some is slow to others and vice versa. I think that anything that can hit about 100 mph in a quarter isn't doing that bad.

Now I feel like an ass. Mid 12's to me on the street is fast as hell. So I guess what they have been saying is true. Being fast is relative to each individual, what is fast to some is slow to others and vice versa. I think that anything that can hit about 100 mph in a quarter isn't doing that bad.

That's Unit's point. ONce you have driven a certain ET/TS car everything else 'slower' isn't 'quick/fast', because you've been quicker/faster. That's not to say mid 12s isnt' quick from a different perspective though. IMO, Mid 12s is very respectable and will still beat most street cars out there that you run into. Hell, a lightly bolt on new edge GT will take on a fair amount and we all know about those. My mach was a 425+rwhp car and I still think a mid 12 car is quick and respectable.

It's in the eye of the beholder. Unit's opinion (and it is an opinion which he hasn't denied) is that a single digit street car is what it takes to be quick. Some agree, some don't. Kind of like some like stangs/4th gens, some don't.

I sort of agree with this, but it all depends on your definition of what a street car is. Anyone can get an inspection sticker from a buddy, so that doesn't mean dick. To me a street car is a daily driver or a weekend car with a full interior, or close to it. Once you start gutting the interior, removing the AC, running slicks, and only bringing the car out to race, it's not really a street car anymore... just my opinion.

I agree with this as well. My Cobra is my go fast car but it is still 100% DD capable. full interior, AC, ET streets, etc.

Ford is smart. People who buy ford mustangs like the GT/CS are just morons. They make that extra buck off retards who spend extra money on something like a "poney package" instead of going for the GT.... wow

Well, I think they have poor choices in cars, but are not morons, people could call you a moron...for not haveing a job good enough to get a better car than a 10,000 dollar ls1 outdated chassis car...I LOVE f-bodies, but you cant call these people morons, mainstream media forcing their decisions? yeah, but maybe if you werent such a moron you could afford to pay the money for that car which is a tad slower than an f-body, WAY nicer inside (my old man has a 2008 gt/cs 2000 miles) and it is a way better car than a 98-02 f-body, point blank, period. you can talk about oh ls1 this, ls1 that, 4.6 modular sucks, whatever, but what new cars are out there that are:
RWD
American
Seat 4 or 5
Manual
v8
2 door (even 4 door?)

G8's you cant feel the power
G8's you cant get manual
GTO's aren't new anymore
GTO's dont have the looks the mustang does
Chargers are bigger pigs and slower.

I have had a 2000 formy AND loved it, and I dont think that a middleaged guy with a good job (most stang gt owners) would want to but someone elses junk, they want to but new, because they can, and because they arent missing much with the ls1, I know I would take the GT/CS over the f-body, what does that f-body have over the stang? that isnt based off of opinion? I'll tell you.

RWHP (not a big difference) and a 6 speed
um....maybe the red lights on the interior of my formy? LOL and even that you can change the interior lights of the gt/cs, dont hate on my opinion, just you need to appreciate a good NEW car and be grateful that there is still a new rwd v8 american pony car, by making this post i understand that the '10 camaro is out and the challenger. I think the stang is better than the challenger but not the camaro, thats my opinion, AND JUST THAT.

You guys are bickering about semantics like little school girls. All your cars are slow. Mine too. No real performance guy is going to be happy until his car accelerates to the point of turning your brain into mush. So shut up about it already
Quote of the year right there fellas. :)
I sort of agree with this, but it all depends on your definition of what a street car is. Anyone can get an inspection sticker from a buddy, so that doesn't mean dick. To me a street car is a daily driver or a weekend car with a full interior, or close to it. Once you start gutting the interior, removing the AC, running slicks, and only bringing the car out to race, it's not really a street car anymore... just my opinion.
Thats pretty much my opinion, too. A race built weekend warrior IS a street car but if I lose to one of those I don't sweat it: it's not a normal sports car or "pony car". Just dont use the Daily Driver monicker on your 750rwhp 10 or 9 second drag car just because it can dial down to running pump gas and not overheat at every red light. A DD is a car you jump into a 5am on a 35deg F day when its pouring down rain and you fire it up and drive it to work without a second thought about 'which' vehicle you should take in those conditions.

...you can talk about oh ls1 this, ls1 that, 4.6 modular sucks, whatever, but what new cars are out there that are:
RWD
American
Seat 4 or 5
Manual
v8
2 door (even 4 door?)

G8's you cant feel the power
G8's you cant get manual
GTO's aren't new anymore
GTO's dont have the looks the mustang does
Chargers are bigger pigs and slower.

...by making this post i understand that the '10 camaro is out and the challenger. I think the stang is better than the challenger but not the camaro, thats my opinion, AND JUST THAT.

You forgot one: a G8 GXP is a manual with the LS3. It sounds badass unlike the too quite 2010 SS that I raced a week before the G8 GXP I raced. The GXP was brand new with temp paper tabs and I believe a salesman in the passenger seat- I hope I didnt lose him a sale when I edged the GXP out with my GTO. lol The GXP also seemed to pull harder than the '10 camaro? (both were freeway roll runs: could have been driver error).

Quote of the year right there fellas. :)

Thats pretty much my opinion, too. A race built weekend warrior IS a street car but if I lose to one of those I don't sweat it: it's not a normal sports car or "pony car". Just dont use the Daily Driver monicker on your 750rwhp 10 or 9 second drag car just because it can dial down to running pump gas and not overheat at every red light. A DD is a car you jump into a 5am on a 35deg F day when its pouring down rain and you fire it up and drive it to work without a second thought about 'which' vehicle you should take in those conditions.



You forgot one: a G8 GXP is a manual with the LS3. It sounds badass unlike the too quite 2010 SS that I raced a week before the G8 GXP I raced. The GXP was brand new with temp paper tabs and I believe a salesman in the passenger seat- I hope I didnt lose him a sale when I edged the GXP out with my GTO. lol The GXP also seemed to pull harder than the '10 camaro? (both were freeway roll runs: could have been driver error).

yes, thats correct. I think that when the new gt/cs came out in the 05-09 gt body style, it was the only car like I described. the 2010 camaro, challenger, g8gxp(4 door, not in same catagory) were not out yet, so whoever wanted the nicest v8, rwd, american, 2 door car on the market but didnt want to shell out another 10 grand for the gt500.....gues what boys, the mustang gt/cs was a great option. but that has now changed with the 10 maro and the challenger and whatever else they have coming out. always a ls1 f-body fan, respect what the mustang has done though.

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