Generation III Internal Engine - Broken head bolt issues




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mmorellicamaross
10-08-2008, 09:30 PM
Was trying to remove a broken head bolt and drilled through the block straight down. Do I need a knew block or will the head bolt seal that area, or are there any other options?


ABQ99TA
10-08-2008, 09:38 PM
Good luck, I don't know. I'm sure someone can help you.

00pooterSS
10-09-2008, 01:33 AM
I have worked on some older engines where the head bolt hole was not closed off and extended into a coolant passage, as long as there was sealant applied to the threads everything was fine


Most likely it will be ok, I dont know what is under there so I cant say 100% but there are other engines designed that way, if I remember correctly the ol small block chevy motors are that way.


Steve - Race Eng
10-09-2008, 10:53 PM
Which hole and how straight did you drill?


Was trying to remove a broken head bolt and drilled through the block straight down. Do I need a knew block or will the head bolt seal that area, or are there any other options?

mmorellicamaross
10-10-2008, 09:01 AM
driver side, second cylinder bolt in valve cover, lst long bolt, hole that went through is straight and about 1/4 inch in diameter.

mmorellicamaross
10-10-2008, 09:07 AM
I sorry it's the second cylinder bolt, 1st m11 long bolt on drivers side were valve springs are.

Steve - Race Eng
10-10-2008, 11:02 AM
If the hole is only a quarter inch and straight, you should be fine. Here is a photo of where you drilled through. That little dome section to seal the head bolt is often times broken anyway.

mmorellicamaross
10-11-2008, 05:13 PM
can you heli coil the threads, also the threads are M11x1.75pitch which i cannot find anywhere the only thing I can find is m11x1.50. Also if I am to this point should I pull the block and let a machine shop do this or can I make a guide to square the drill and heli coil tap? and will the heli coil be able to hold to proper torque for the cylinder bolt? Can I use a m11x1.50 bolt if I cannot find the m11x1.75pitch

Steve - Race Eng
10-12-2008, 10:32 PM
The thread diameter and pitch is 11 mm x 2.0. You can get a Time Sert in there but the kit is expensive to purchase to install one insert.

I would go with a 7/16" x 14 stud with a long heli coil in that hole. That would be the least expensive fix if ARP or A1 has a long enough stud in that size.

Steve


can you heli coil the threads, also the threads are M11x1.75pitch which i cannot find anywhere the only thing I can find is m11x1.50. Also if I am to this point should I pull the block and let a machine shop do this or can I make a guide to square the drill and heli coil tap? and will the heli coil be able to hold to proper torque for the cylinder bolt? Can I use a m11x1.50 bolt if I cannot find the m11x1.75pitch

84ls1_transam
10-13-2008, 07:58 AM
I would put plenty of sealer on the end of the bolt, and I'm sure you would be fine. I've done that with a header bolt that someone had drilled into the coolant jacket, and the customer didn't want to buy a new head. It's been a couple years, still no leak. The problem with a helicoil is that it won't seal the bottom.

mmorellicamaross
10-13-2008, 11:34 AM
whats the longest heil coil I can get in that 7/16 14 size? the longest one I found was .656, I also found the 7/16 bolt from arp, they had 2 sizes 4.50inches and 3.75 inches.

84ls1_transam
10-13-2008, 06:49 PM
whats the longest heil coil I can get in that 7/16 14 size? the longest one I found was .656, I also found the 7/16 bolt from arp, they had 2 sizes 4.50inches and 3.75 inches.

It's not going to work. Have you ever used one?

Nabdrill
10-14-2008, 07:12 AM
Shouldn't cuttings from this operation falling thru the hole that got drill be a conceren?!?

mmorellicamaross
10-14-2008, 09:26 AM
Hello Steve I was wondering were you get the m11x2.0 time sert that you mentioned, I checked arp and the longest head bolt they have in 7/16 14 is 4.5 inches a the bolt size is 5 inches.

LS1INSIDE
12-03-2008, 02:16 AM
any info on this, i'm in the same situation....