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Old 05-25-2010, 04:26 PM
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After a large amount of research i have found a few things of interest.
-The crank in our car is not the same as other lsx engines. When laid side by side, they are not only different sizes, which we already knew but they are actually different designs. They have different separations and dont share anything with the other lsx cranks.
-The pistons are smaller than other lsx series engines.
-Aluminum engines can not be bored. There is a lot of posts online about other people boring out and stroking 5.3 engines. These are iron block motors. You can bore iron blocks, but not aluminum. I know technically you could grind it out. But that would require two things, new sleeves and a LOT of work. I have contacted many very well known shops and they all say the same thing. I believe it is because the aluminum is not strong enough. It is not straight aluminum though, the mix it with other materials so that explains why other car companies can bore their aluminum engines, example Subaru.

This means that while we can stroke our engines out, it would require custom pistons and a custom crank. When i looked, it would 3-4k just for the crank. In other words, it would be around 8-10k to have a proper stroke kit done. All that for MAYBE 30hp.
This also means that while you technically can bore the engine out, it would be again EXTREMELY expensive, and also HIGHLY not recommended. Again several thousand dollars for maybe 30hp.
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Thank you!

GMHTP did a 383 a while back from a 346 and gained around 20 horses...absolutely not worth it. Put the money toward heads or something.
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Typically you never want to be a pioneer when modifying a car...
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Originally Posted by indynotch50
Typically you never want to be a pioneer when modifying a car...
I have spent a whole lot of money modifying this car, seeing what will work, what won't, trying things no one else has...it's part of it. Not desirable but part of it all the same.
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Ya if i could go back i would change a lot of what i did. Never upgrade the heads and just do a port and polish, more aggressive cam, not waste money on ported intake and just do an ls1/ls6 swap.
Thats why i am posting, so other people can learn from my massively expensive mistakes.
I could have bought 3 turbo kits with all the money i have spent.
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Originally Posted by Sittingmongoose
Ya if i could go back i would change a lot of what i did. Never upgrade the heads and just do a port and polish, more aggressive cam, not waste money on ported intake and just do an ls1/ls6 swap.
Thats why i am posting, so other people can learn from my massively expensive mistakes.
I could have bought 3 turbo kits with all the money i have spent.
I think if the heads came off, I'd go higher compression...either through milling or a smaller gasket. Other than that I'd probably leave them be.
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There is nothing wrong with the 5.3 (small bore, yes..) If you really wanna bigger motor then just get the adapter plate and swap cranks. Im sure you could have the 6.0's rear bell housing milled and the 60* adapter welded on. This would be much cheaper.
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aluminium blocks can be bored just not very far. i think .015 is the max u can go though.
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yeah........too bad someone didn't, like try to warn you or something?


Seriously though, get a more aggressive cam in there and it will all come together.
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Originally Posted by TransWS6Am
aluminium blocks can be bored just not very far. i think .015 is the max u can go though.
Sleeves can be bored out and new ones put in, but it's very expensive.
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no, if the ls4 is anything like the other lsx's it can be bored out atleast .015
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Either way around it, we are looking at several thousand dollars for about 20-30hp
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Originally Posted by Sittingmongoose
Either way around it, we are looking at several thousand dollars for about 20-30hp
This is the main point of this thread.
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so just leave the motor alone then?
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the only few mods that acually work on this car are, exhaust, downpipe, headers, cold air intake, ls6/ls1 intake swap, TURBO
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At that point I'd just do a Cartuning Turbo Kit. Of couse, with every N/A mod known that we can run. Honestly, that would be the best way to make the most power with our motors.

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Originally Posted by Sittingmongoose
the only few mods that acually work on this car are, exhaust, downpipe, headers, cold air intake, ls6/ls1 intake swap, TURBO
Don't forget a camshaft, heads, and injectors.
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heads are completely unnecessary as ours are high enough flow for more power than our car can make. Injectors dont yield any gains and are only needed if you make a LOT more power. Cam hasnt shown any dyno proof to say it helps.
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Naturally a higher lift will cause quite a bit of wear on the cam journals and lifters if you go crazy enough. It is not really the best for a daily driver... For me, would just do a small upgrade on the valve springs and do everything else. As mentioned we have excellent heads...We also have the compression.
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Originally Posted by Sittingmongoose
-The pistons are smaller than other lsx series engines.
Is the skirt smaller or the diameter?


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