2009 LTX Shootout classes and rules have been posted
11-21-2008, 12:21 AM
#1
2009 LTX Shootout classes and rules have been posted After many hours of work we have finally finished this hard task. Please understand we can not please everyone but we really tried to accomodate as many combos as possible and tried to keep it on a level playing field.
The classes and rules have been posted. Please take time to review them and please also leave feedback on the LTX shootout site if possible.
Please click the link and each class will have its own sticky in its thread. The classes will be posted on the main website soon.
http://www.ltxshootout.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=27
LTX Shootout crew
The classes and rules have been posted. Please take time to review them and please also leave feedback on the LTX shootout site if possible.
Please click the link and each class will have its own sticky in its thread. The classes will be posted on the main website soon.
http://www.ltxshootout.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=27
LTX Shootout crew
Last edited by Tony Shepherd; 11-21-2008 at 12:33 AM.
11-21-2008, 08:10 AM
#6
You may want to reconsider the turbo size limitations on the LTX Extreme Street Power Adder class. You allow D1 prochargers which can support up to 700-750rwhp, but a 66mm turbo which will peak out on a 350ci at around 600rwhp. A 70mm turbo would be a better comparison (good for ~700rwhp). Just some food for thought.
11-21-2008, 08:27 AM
#7
You may want to reconsider the turbo size limitations on the LTX Extreme Street Power Adder class. You allow D1 prochargers which can support up to 700-750rwhp, but a 66mm turbo which will peak out on a 350ci at around 600rwhp. A 70mm turbo would be a better comparison (good for ~700rwhp). Just some food for thought.
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11-21-2008, 08:35 AM
#8
The Procharger P1 or Vortech V1/V2 are good comparisons to a 66mm. Those blowers are good for ~600rwhp. I think that might be perfect. If you do change this though, just be sure to find a place for the D1 and T-trim guys... like in the LTX Modified Power Adder Class.
I am just throwing out some advice. Maybe take a poll on what the LTX procharged guys are making for power? It might help make a better informed decision?
11-21-2008, 08:50 AM
#9
The force induction area is where we lacked the best knowledgable info last night in the meeting. There are so many variences in turbo inducer wheels, flanges......etc it makes it hard to level the playing field. We will need to get more info on supercharger sizes......etc and make a decision soon.
11-21-2008, 09:01 AM
#10
The force induction area is where we lacked the best knowledgable info last night in the meeting. There are so many variences in turbo inducer wheels, flanges......etc it makes it hard to level the playing field. We will need to get more info on supercharger sizes......etc and make a decision soon.
Then the class above it with the F-series and YSI sized blowers can compete again the 71-81mm turbo guys.
Either way, both fields sound pretty damn exciting!
11-21-2008, 11:49 AM
#12
Tony-
If you need input on the FI side of things, please call me! There are a few vague things left out, expecially on the ProCharger stuff.
A D1SC will NOT make 700 rwhp on a LT1. It has been done on the LSx, but it's not really possible on a LTx.
A D1 it's possible, but only a couple people run those, and I think Jeff Gilbert used to, but he kinda fell off the face of the earth.
Need to discuss/clarify which F1 is allowed in the other P/A class. There are 4-5 different versions of the F1, are they ALL allowed?
If you need input on the FI side of things, please call me! There are a few vague things left out, expecially on the ProCharger stuff.
A D1SC will NOT make 700 rwhp on a LT1. It has been done on the LSx, but it's not really possible on a LTx.
A D1 it's possible, but only a couple people run those, and I think Jeff Gilbert used to, but he kinda fell off the face of the earth.
Need to discuss/clarify which F1 is allowed in the other P/A class. There are 4-5 different versions of the F1, are they ALL allowed?
11-21-2008, 11:51 AM
#13
Tony-
If you need input on the FI side of things, please call me! There are a few vague things left out, expecially on the ProCharger stuff.
A D1SC will NOT make 700 rwhp on a LT1. It has been done on the LSx, but it's not really possible on a LTx.
A D1 it's possible, but only a couple people run those, and I think Jeff Gilbert used to, but he kinda fell off the face of the earth.
Need to discuss/clarify which F1 is allowed in the other P/A class. There are 4-5 different versions of the F1, are they ALL allowed?
If you need input on the FI side of things, please call me! There are a few vague things left out, expecially on the ProCharger stuff.
A D1SC will NOT make 700 rwhp on a LT1. It has been done on the LSx, but it's not really possible on a LTx.
A D1 it's possible, but only a couple people run those, and I think Jeff Gilbert used to, but he kinda fell off the face of the earth.
Need to discuss/clarify which F1 is allowed in the other P/A class. There are 4-5 different versions of the F1, are they ALL allowed?
11-21-2008, 12:03 PM
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What is up with the extreme street power adder class on the tire rules? Shouldn't the 275/45/17 actually be 275/40/17 as that's what tire sizes came on stock f-bodys? Also With the DOT radial only, what about stick guys that need to run a bias ply tire like a et street?
11-21-2008, 01:01 PM
#17
BTW, Procharger lists the D1 and D1SC with the same flow ratings (supports 925fwhp).
http://www.procharger.com/models.shtml
The T66 (I looked up a standard Precision PT66 on FI.com's website and it is listed at 750fwhp).
http://www.forcedinductions.com/productpte.htm
A standard PT70 is rated 820fwhp. Before anyone says that none of them will make that advertised power... no ****... but it gives ya an idea of flow capabilities by their general ratings.
Most LTx guys will have ported stock castings, mild cam and a D1 or T-trim running 15psi (~650rwhp)... but you will get a few that have nice heads, big cam, and some may even come with single plane intakes... you are talking about guys that can make 700rwhp all day thru a stalled auto.
Here is one guy on cz28.com with his list of mods (ramair96ws6) and made 700rwhp with his D1SC @ 15psi.
http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/show...11#post5637311
Lots too consider... I still think a 66mm is not comparable to a T-trim/D1 (or D1SC). Its comparable to a S-trim/P1 (or P1SC).
Here is a small list of FI guys on cz28.com - if you want, just compare the S/C setups to turbo setups.
http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/showthread.php?t=482086
11-21-2008, 01:09 PM
#18
I personally know a couple guys that made high 600's thru stalled autos... probably would have been close to 730-750rwhp with a manual. Just to be clear... a D1SC can make the power I mentioned, that isn't debateable (since you even said LS1 guys can do it). The charger itself is capable. LT1 guys can too, they just need a good set of heads. The two auto guys I know, one had heavily ported LT1 castings and the other had big AFR's (220's if I remember). Depends on who has good heads.
BTW, Procharger lists the D1 and D1SC with the same flow ratings (supports 925fwhp).
http://www.procharger.com/models.shtml
The T66 (I looked up a standard Precision PT66 on FI.com's website and it is listed at 750fwhp).
http://www.forcedinductions.com/productpte.htm
A standard PT70 is rated 820fwhp. Before anyone says that none of them will make that advertised power... no ****... but it gives ya an idea of flow capabilities by their general ratings.
Most LTx guys will have ported stock castings, mild cam and a D1 or T-trim running 15psi (~650rwhp)... but you will get a few that have nice heads, big cam, and some may even come with single plane intakes... you are talking about guys that can make 700rwhp all day thru a stalled auto.
Here is one guy on cz28.com with his list of mods (ramair96ws6) and made 700rwhp with his D1SC @ 15psi.
http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/show...11#post5637311
Lots too consider... I still think a 66mm is not comparable to a T-trim/D1 (or D1SC). Its comparable to a S-trim/P1 (or P1SC).
Here is a small list of FI guys on cz28.com - if you want, just compare the S/C setups to turbo setups.
http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/showthread.php?t=482086
BTW, Procharger lists the D1 and D1SC with the same flow ratings (supports 925fwhp).
http://www.procharger.com/models.shtml
The T66 (I looked up a standard Precision PT66 on FI.com's website and it is listed at 750fwhp).
http://www.forcedinductions.com/productpte.htm
A standard PT70 is rated 820fwhp. Before anyone says that none of them will make that advertised power... no ****... but it gives ya an idea of flow capabilities by their general ratings.
Most LTx guys will have ported stock castings, mild cam and a D1 or T-trim running 15psi (~650rwhp)... but you will get a few that have nice heads, big cam, and some may even come with single plane intakes... you are talking about guys that can make 700rwhp all day thru a stalled auto.
Here is one guy on cz28.com with his list of mods (ramair96ws6) and made 700rwhp with his D1SC @ 15psi.
http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/show...11#post5637311
Lots too consider... I still think a 66mm is not comparable to a T-trim/D1 (or D1SC). Its comparable to a S-trim/P1 (or P1SC).
Here is a small list of FI guys on cz28.com - if you want, just compare the S/C setups to turbo setups.
http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/showthread.php?t=482086
11-21-2008, 01:14 PM
#19
Let's put it this way:
Last year there were only 3, yes THREE forced induction cars making laps at the Shootout. Skinnies', the Impala in Outlaw, and mine. I don't think we need to get into too many details on what is capable of doing what. Just make the rules and run with it. Let the people that show up decide who wins.
Last year there were only 3, yes THREE forced induction cars making laps at the Shootout. Skinnies', the Impala in Outlaw, and mine. I don't think we need to get into too many details on what is capable of doing what. Just make the rules and run with it. Let the people that show up decide who wins.
11-21-2008, 01:18 PM
#20
I personally know a couple guys that made high 600's thru stalled autos... probably would have been close to 730-750rwhp with a manual. Just to be clear... a D1SC can make the power I mentioned, that isn't debateable (since you even said LS1 guys can do it). The charger itself is capable. LT1 guys can too, they just need a good set of heads. The two auto guys I know, one had heavily ported LT1 castings and the other had big AFR's (220's if I remember). Depends on who has good heads.
BTW, Procharger lists the D1 and D1SC with the same flow ratings (supports 925fwhp).
http://www.procharger.com/models.shtml
The T66 (I looked up a standard Precision PT66 on FI.com's website and it is listed at 750fwhp).
http://www.forcedinductions.com/productpte.htm
A standard PT70 is rated 820fwhp. Before anyone says that none of them will make that advertised power... no ****... but it gives ya an idea of flow capabilities by their general ratings.
Most LTx guys will have ported stock castings, mild cam and a D1 or T-trim running 15psi (~650rwhp)... but you will get a few that have nice heads, big cam, and some may even come with single plane intakes... you are talking about guys that can make 700rwhp all day thru a stalled auto.
Here is one guy on cz28.com with his list of mods (ramair96ws6) and made 700rwhp with his D1SC @ 15psi.
http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/show...11#post5637311
Lots too consider... I still think a 66mm is not comparable to a T-trim/D1 (or D1SC). Its comparable to a S-trim/P1 (or P1SC).
Here is a small list of FI guys on cz28.com - if you want, just compare the S/C setups to turbo setups.
http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/showthread.php?t=482086
BTW, Procharger lists the D1 and D1SC with the same flow ratings (supports 925fwhp).
http://www.procharger.com/models.shtml
The T66 (I looked up a standard Precision PT66 on FI.com's website and it is listed at 750fwhp).
http://www.forcedinductions.com/productpte.htm
A standard PT70 is rated 820fwhp. Before anyone says that none of them will make that advertised power... no ****... but it gives ya an idea of flow capabilities by their general ratings.
Most LTx guys will have ported stock castings, mild cam and a D1 or T-trim running 15psi (~650rwhp)... but you will get a few that have nice heads, big cam, and some may even come with single plane intakes... you are talking about guys that can make 700rwhp all day thru a stalled auto.
Here is one guy on cz28.com with his list of mods (ramair96ws6) and made 700rwhp with his D1SC @ 15psi.
http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/show...11#post5637311
Lots too consider... I still think a 66mm is not comparable to a T-trim/D1 (or D1SC). Its comparable to a S-trim/P1 (or P1SC).
Here is a small list of FI guys on cz28.com - if you want, just compare the S/C setups to turbo setups.
http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/showthread.php?t=482086
Need to remember the guys doing that are max effort cars with after market EFI (not allowed in Extreme Street.) At least the couple that I looked at. We will keep discussing this.